Thank you Ana for turning me on to this. Also see this.
Ok, I’ve viewed the videos and read the articles. I’ve also attended Assembly of God churches and I didn’t see any thing that would surprise me. Nor do I see or read anything that would raise any Christian’s eyebrows.
What is the pastor problem?
Joel, The problem with what you see here is that you have no problem with it.
The Other Joel, I guess, but what is the pastor problem?
The problem is she is encouraging the congregation to pray for her political projects. This is a woman one stroke away from being President. She believes that our soldiers are carrying out God’s plan. It’s quite clear that she will allow God to guide her political decisions. Contrast that with Obama, who has openly spoken that faith can guide you in your personal life, but must not be used as your cornerstone upon which to build your political decisions.
Believe in God all you want, but I do not feel we will have a sustainable future economically, socially, and geopolitically if the people in charge turn to God to make their foreign policy decisions, or if they believe their election was God’s will, and not the will of the people who elected them.
As for the Pastor problem: it is a problem if our vice president believes the end times are here, and she takes counsel with people who preach it. The problem isn’t so much the pastor, it’s that our VP is so closely associated with someone who advocates that Jesus is likely to return during our lifetime. I do not want political decisions being motivated by that belief.
Man, she’s scary… God’s will is to have a gas line built? and all of Alaska has to convert to their brand of Christianity.
At minimum the pastor is violating the nonprofit status of his church. But nobody on the Right is going to care about that. If Barry Lynn steps in and sues them, they’ll just whine about persecution from the ‘left’. They’re a church of whiners.
You people, listen to me. We have this congressperson here in Minnesota … her name is Michelle Bachmann. I swear to you, Bachmann and Palin seem virtually interchangeable, but maybe Bachmann is a little more so. They both have these strange religious belives, and some interesting psycho-exual stuff going (well, Bachmann does. I don’t know about Palin yet, They even look similar.
I look at Palin and I think … “wow. that’s Bachmann. this is un be-fucking-lievable”
Then I think: “Why, why didn’t they pick Bachmann… we would be rid of her!”
Yes, I think this ‘end times’ is the creepiest and most dangerous part of all of this.
Jonsi, there are many people who beleive that everything in their life is due to God’s influence, part of God’s plan, that be it great or small, God led them to where they are today for a purpose.
Also that to separate God from their professional life, to not use their faith as their cornerstone upon which to base ALL of their decisions, would be hypocritical, an act of denying God, a major sin.
When it comes to prayer, they would say that it would be foolish not to ask God’s guidance through prayer. To not do so would be to court failure.
I don’t see where any of these beliefs are too far outside of the mainstream, in religious circles anyway. This is why I’m having a hard time seeing where the problem is.
The problem with apocalyptic cults is that they tend to end apocalyptically.
I rather that this not happen to my country.
Greg, Bachmann was on Larry King last night saying Palin was qualified for VP because she sold a state plane on Ebay. She looked like a zombie.
As I was reading this thread I was half watching the Republican Convention. There was a woman with dark, shoulder-length hair and an annoying voice talking. Talking about how nice Minnesotans are and how wonderful Republicans are. I wasn’t paying a whole lot of attention. As the speaker left the stage, the voice over announcer named her: Michelle Bachmann.
Gawd. I hope Palin’s voice isn’t that grating.
Those beliefs might not be too far outside of mainstream in religious circles, but the US is not a religious circle. It is a nation composed of people who believe various religions, or none at all. The Christian God should have nothing to do with how we govern this nation, regardless of what the current president and VP believe.
Greg, you may want the check out Mudflats http://mudflats.wordpress.com/ , which is an excellent Alaska based blog, who has some great writing and lots of up-to-date information about Palin. Latest news is that apparently the future son-in-law will be at the GOP convention. Mudflats reaction to this this news speaks for most of us ,’It took me a while to get my palms off my face so I could check it out, but it๏ฟฝs true.’.
BTW, Framing Science http://scienceblogs.com/framing-science/2008/09/did_the_far_left_blogs_turn_li.php is describing sites such as DailyKos as the ‘far left blogosphere’ – would anyone like to correct him on this?
If she were a fundamentalist Muslim, would you be able to see the problem?
Not only do apocalyptic cults end badly, but they run like crap in the meantime. Anyone that obsessed with the hereafter is not the best candidate for a job dealing with the here-and-now.
Nor do I see or read anything that would raise any Christian’s eyebrows.
So you don’t know any Christians at all, except American fundamentalist ones?
Because I have been to Catholic churches here in Europe a lot, grown up in two of them, and I’m flabbergasted by the first video.
The announcement, the first 2 1/2 minutes, look and sound like a speech at a party convention. If I didn’t know better, I’d never have guessed that this is in a church. Yes, I know many American denominations do such things, but that’s definitely not the first thing I’d have thought of.
Then Palin appears and continues in the exact same manner.
And immediately she mentions “it was so cool […] gett’n saved here”. She believes she is saved? She believes she will go to heaven, period? I know lots of fundamentalist Americans run around like that, but over here this would be seen as blasphemy, pure and simple. God alone knows if you’ll go to heaven. Being baptized (which is what “born again” is interpreted as by everyone except the Baptists) gives you a chance to get saved, but no more.
Then she keeps making a purely political speech, except she mentions God too often. What is this doing in a church!?!
Till 4:12. Then she says it is God’s will to get a pipeline built. First, to pretend to know God’s will in any detail is considered utter blasphemy where I come from. Second, does she really believe God’s will concerns such a detail, such a material affair that would fit Mammon better than God, such a bit of secular policy? Does she not know that His Kingdom is not of this world!?! Blasphemies upon blasphemies, I tell you.
Then she returns to her political speech, till 4:41, when she changes the topic back to religion again. Does she even listen to herself?
From there to 5:00 I finally get it: She is giving a political speech, and God is part of her policy. She’s crazy. She’s blasphemous (give to the emperor what is the emperor’s, and to God what is God’s — who said that again?). And of course she’s unconstitutional. Joel, if this wouldn’t raise the eyebrows of the Christians you know, you must be a member of a very isolated cult — or at least that’s what the common European perspective would be.
Then she praises the Iraq war, that unconstitutional, money-burning crime. From 6:02 to 6:06 she says it is God’s will. She’s insane. Period. Whosoever hath eyebrows to raise, raise them.
Then she tells the audience they’re so beautiful and that therefore they’re going to be great missionaries… I’d feel embarrassed if I were in that audience.
Then she reads a quote from a Pauline letter that says the Christians of Ephesus in the 1st century would all be prophets, and she automatically takes this to mean that the Christians of Alaska in the 21st century will also all be prophets. She doesn’t even try to justify this interpretation with a little context or anything. That’s definitely on the risky side by the standards I grew up with.
The end is what I’d have expected of an American fundamentalist service, except for the prediction that in the end days lots of people from the lower 48 states will flee to Alaska. WTF? Where in the Bible is that?
You see, Joel, you have quite the tunnel vision.
The Christian God should have nothing to do with how we govern this nation, regardless of what the current president and VP believe.
I agree, but can we really expect people to check their deeply held beliefs at the door? I think we can expect people to practice these beliefs in a way that respects the beliefs of others.
That would depend on the teachings of the Mosque and their leaders. But in general, I would say no.
David, I’ll have to respond when I have more time.
Joel: The problem with fundementalism is that people believe things like the apocalypse is near, and when it happens, everyone is going to go to Alaska. In other words, no, we don’t expect psychotic people to check their psychosis at the door, and no, we should not elect them to public office. Ever.
This is not about religion. It is about sanity.
Someone who pretends to know the will of God and leads people using that pretend knowledge should never be in a position of power.
I do see a problem with her attendeing a church that thinks everyone who isn’t a bushie is going to hell!
Thank you for posting my video, BTW! I wanted to add that Sarah Palin’s friend (or so she said) Has been stalking this video. She’s been leaving some weird comments. Like;
For the record: I have known Gov. Palin for over 15+years. I personally attended Wasilla Assembly of God up until 2002. I can assure you as someone who was on Staff when Sara was Mayor of Wasilla, that the post of your video is as far from “The Truth” about Sara’s personal relationship with God and her political views as you could possibly be.
She is a: Solid… God-Fearing Woman. Sara and husband Todd are some of the most admirable “servants in public service” that you will ever find!!!
This woman is just as crazy as Palin, what is in the water up in Wasilla?
A petition to Bishop Jeremiah J. Park to recover misused Church money
Dear Bishop Jeremiah J. Park:
Current and earlier events need the attention of your office because they will test the meaning of Christian values and of honor among Koreans.
Recently, you advocated, No torture, and with other religious luminaries you have marched to the United Nations to protest against the torture and abuse of suspected terrorists held at U.S. facilities in Guantanamo, Iraq, and Afghanistan. However, why did you not condemn the torture and abuse of the innocent members within your church?
Unwittingly it seems to appear the double standard of morality in the episcopacy as you overlooked the torture agony within a Methodist church.
In any event, the church should not be let alone in a Mafia image under your jurisdiction.
More specifically, Mr. Steve Park, and other church officers, had deliberately and consistently tortured and abused my family for many years while the church remained silent. He and his church underlings used the churchs name and trust fund to malign my family and me in order to rid of us from the church. It was to cover up the looting of the church money.
For instance, for one of the three frivoouls lawsuits, Mr. Park falsely accused my son and me that we planned to kill him, his family, his attorney, and other church members in one of his court depositions:
12 A He said watch out, you asshole,
13 Specifically said you asshole, you watch out, if
14 You dont watch your step; Im going to kill you.
5 A Im going to kill your whole family.
6 Q Thats what Dr. Sone said to you?
7 A Yes.
P. 62; 9-17, 21-23.
9 Q Youre claiming that Dr. Sone
10 threatened to kill you and your whole family?
11 A Yes.
Furthermore, he substantiated his assertion that more than 10 persons had witnessed our threats to murder. His witnesses included Reverend Wontae Cha, Y. S. Kim, K. D. Shin, Y. H. Lee, Y. J. Kim, D. J. Chun, Paul Choi, Y. J. Kwon, and I. C. Lee.
Rev. Cha is a good colleague of yours according to information.
Because of his false allegations, my son and I were on trial at the New York State Supreme Court in Nassau County. He used the churchs funds to finance his lawsuit against us. In his lawsuit, Mr. Park also demanded $4,000,000 in damages, while pushing us into the jail as felons.
His lawsuit had nothing to do with the church and was simply a personal vendetta against us. My only offense against Rev. Cha, Mr. Park and others was to strictly observe my fiduciary duty as the chairman of the Board to protect the churchs Building Fund. Nevertheless, according to the court records, officials from the church hierarchy and Steven Park had deceived the judge as if the case was a church-related during an ex-parte conference.
Now, Bishop Jeremiah J. Park must be responsible to identify the persons who were at the secretive meeting with the judge. He must investigate all and any conspiracy against the church and its members. The bishops actions matter much with the prestige of the episcopacy.
The year 2008 is the 87th anniversary of the Korean United Methoidst Church and Institute. Bishop Jeremiah J. Park, Reverend Won Tae Cha, Steven Park, Young So Kim and other such characters one day must come to the church and faithfully explain to the worshippers for the justification of the looting for either personal gain or criminal racketeering against the innocent loyal members.
The cowardly leadership owes an explanation to the fellow church members about the mismanagement of church finances: For example, an $180,000 building renovation contract lost for nothing. It only enriched the related parties. Or, another example when the chairman of the board of trustees embezzled $70,000 he is awarded with church money to pay for his legal fees and for part of his embezzlement. Also his faction paid the fines for the sanctions and the contempt of court with the trust fund although they had to pay. Another irony is Methoidst Mission Fund donated $50,000 to the trust as if an incentive to the looting
The judge and NYS Attorney General advised to recover the funds from the abusers. But, why anyone in the church leadership has done anything about these malfeasances?
Now, the time has come to your office to clarify the ultimate moral issues. On July 15, 2007, the church decided to hire a certified public accountant (excluding Korean CPA) to audit the church finances starting from year 2000. The audit is to determine if any fraud has occurred. But, since then, Reverend Chang, the current pastor, who is a friend of yours according to information, has not yet started it.
The church must recover the stolen funds from Mr. Park and the embezzlers. Perhaps, the church may file an insurance claim for the stolen funds so that the insurance company can compensate them. But, you, the bishop, must enforce church rules and order to help this church recover financially as well as morally. Otherwise, the church has no standing as a light house to the dark world.
Now, remember that any decent mind cannot allow our historic church to be built on the foundation of the age-old scandals, but on the rock. Most of all, the church should be liberated from evil capitulation still in power. If Mr. Park and others like him have succeeded to scapegoat the church scandals on an innocent family, then they would have said, Halleluiah!! The church should be maintained as a house of prayer, but a den of robbers. (Matthew 21; 13)
Without any further delay, you must recognize that the Korean United Methodist Church and Institute has been under the control of the spiritually-dead clergies and criminals who are filled with demons, falsehoods, hatreds, and deception. It does appear to be a moral crisis of the Korean Church, the NY Annual Conference, and, perhaps, the United Methodist denomination.
I am praying for your spiritual victory in good faith and for the renewal of our historic church. The Book of Discipline guarantees open meetings and free speech. Why cant we have an open debate for the renewal at the church or a public media? The congregation wants your spiritual leadership as the bishop of the NY Annual Conference as well as the top church leader of the Korean immigrant Christian community.
Please let me remind your office that it is my duty and mission to continuously protect the churchs common interests, according to the churchs rules and the Christian teachings. That is my only way to seek justice and to restore our family name as I have learned from the church throughout my life.
Alas! The church is spiritually, morally broken as it is now.
Sincerely yours in Christ,
Chae S. Sone and family
Please forward the e-mail petition to:
Reverend Jeremiah J. Park, Bishop
New York Annual Conference
White Plains, New York
e-mail address: Bishop@nyac.com
Reverend Chul Woo Chang
e-mail address: firstname.lastname@example.org, OR WRITE TO
633 WEST 115TH STREET, NEW YORK, NY10025
Forward to our distinctuished spiritual leaders:
Hillary Clinton (D)
email@example.com firstname.lastname@example.org Obamainfo@friendsofmccain.com
Let us pray for the Bishop to do His will accordingly. Especially it is a wakeup call for Korean Christian community It is a cyber age.
OPEN HEARTS, OPEN MIND, OPEN DOORS!!
WHERE THEY ARE?
Dear Jesus! I am the Korean Bishop Jeremiah J. Park.
What can I do for you in this Christmas and this New Year?
Jesus said, Bishop Park! Bring back Judas stolen my money to my Korean Church !!
์์๋ ๋๋ Kocean Bishop Jeremiah Park ์
๋๋๋น์ ์ ์ํด ์ด Christmas ์ ์ํด ์ ๋ฌด์์ ํ ์ ์์๊น์?
์์๋์ ์ด๋ ๊ฒ ๋ ๋ต ํ ์ ์ ๋ค
๋ ์ ๊ฒ ๋ง ํ ๋
์ ๋ค ๋ ๋ค์ด ํ ์ฒ๊ฐ ๋ด๋์ ๋ค ๋ด ํ์ธ๊ตํ ๋ก ๊ฐ์ ์ค๋ผ !!
Sunday, January 24, 2010
Dear Bishop Jeremiah J. Park:
Please let me write you again in honor of your Episcopacy in good faith that your office should investigate the sinful actions taken against the innocent family by Rev. Won Tae Cha and other criminal elements in this historic Korean church. So far, regrettably you and other clergies have done great pastoral injustice by ignoring our requests.
๊ต ํ ๊ฐ ๋ฉด ๋ถ ์ ํ ๊ต ํ ์ธ ์ ์ ์ฐธ ์ฌ ํใ
๋ฉด ์ด ๋ฆฐ ์ ๋
์ ๊ฒ ๋ณต ์ด ์ ๋ฉ ๋ ๋คTO THE JUDGE THE MURDER CHARGES WERE CHURCH-RELATED?
Please tell to our family members, our congregation, and to the world why the Korean United Methodist Church and Institute financially supported Steve Parkโs false accusations that my son and I was going to kill him, his family, his lawyer, and our Korean church members. Steve Park was the former chairman of the board who sworn in his deposition that he has an MBA from Columbia University which the university denied, stated he had only a bachelorโs degree.
Reverend Won Tae Cha, Steve H. Park, and the Judas conspirators succeeded placing me and my son on trial as mass murderers at the New York State Supreme Court, which emotionally and financially devastated and defamed our family because, as the chairman of the Board, I tried to protect the Churchโs Building Trust Fund from the abusers. My only sin to them was to protect the trust fund.
Especially remarkable Judas scenario appeared when Rev. Won Tae Cha, fake M.D. Young So Kim, Elder Yang and other running dogs come to the court in support of the cases. Mrs. Sung Kuk Hahm from KANCC, her husband was the chairman of it, anxiously wanted to be an interpreter for the mass murder trial โ all in Jesusโ masks. The judge rejected her services as a pro North Korean Communist.
With the stolen church money, they paid for their parties and legal fees to torture me, my son, and my wife. However, we were not able to hire a full defense attorney for us because we could not offer one. We acted pro se. The church insurers must have defended us according to the church rules.
HARD TRUTH: A HIJACKED CHURCH
Practically, Reverend Won Tae Cha and his Judas group cleverly hijacked the church and its assets. Then, they were able to finance three frivolous cruel lawsuits against our family members, even charged us as mass murderers, threatening demand $8.000,000.00 in damages to cover up the embezzlement. Unexpectedly, their attorney wanted get out the case, offering us $5,000. We rejected as it matters more with the honor than the money. It is not known how much embezzled the church money.
During the murder trial, according to the Judge F. Dana Winslowโs own words, someone from the Episcopacy said to him that the murder charges were church-related. Yes! Someone did a holy lie.
So far, as the bishop, you have coldly stonewalled without answering to our numerous agonizing questionsโwho met with the judge? Superintendent Noel N. Chin, an impersonator of the bishop, or you should answer honestly to us โWho told the lie to the judge that the murder charges were church-related?โ Now, the Korean โchurch-gateโ could develop into the โbishop-gate.โ If so,
could this bishop-gate be more notorious than Watergate?
CONSCIENCE DRIVEN SEDUCTIVE STORMY LIFE CYCLES
The two smart wise guys, Eliot Spitzer and Tigerwood were neither clever nor strong enough to stick to their famed powerful positions even in disguise although the church guys did, but suddenly fell to the disgrace from the public trusts when their betrayal exposed to the world.
In contrast, the powerful conscience inevitably drove Ms. Peguero to confess her sins to a priest and freed the innocent man once she sent as her rapist for twenty five years prison.
But the born again Peguero bravely proved her faith in confession by freeing the innocent victim after two year prison life although she, as a mother of two children, has to suffer seven year prison term to pay back for her crime in His dignity. May God bless Ms. Peguero and her children.
HEAVENLY HAND FOILED THE JIJACER
Sodom Gomorra was destroyed as there were not enough worthy people in the eyes of God.
But, today, we are hopeful in America as there are more than enough morally sensitive worthy Americans intact to our value system in His eyes as the testimony in the Spitzer-Tigerwood-Peguero scenarios – All of them felt painful agony of their astray in the seductive life cycles.
ones Even the almighty intervened in the Nigerian bomber on Delta airline to save the loved from the 2009 Christmas disaster as the heavenly blessings for the Americans in this holy day season.
As there was “No Dotting at the warning messages,” the devil could come through the deep sleepy long hollow even under the floundered watchful eyes so far so easily as to the ignition point of the hellfire on Delta Airline at the Detroit Airport.
But, at the very moment, the Merciful hand foiled the evil trigger. In this way God surely blessed all Americans for the Christmas in these hard times.
Definitely the high moral sensitivity seems to have functioned more vitally well among the common Americans to get His attention than the privileged church hijackers in greedy struggle for biased existence in blood muddy sewers.
The rise and fall of oneโs fortune appears tangled with its moral values in time. In this church, there seems to be more than the four poverty stricken Roman soldiers of the rich Empire, who shared the crucified poor homeless Jesus’ clothes in four parts – Perhaps more vicious than the money hungry Judas.
Major Philip Wise
Two gunmen who shot and killed the Salvation Army major Philip Wise, 40, in front of his wife and his three young adopted children,4. 6. 7 on Christmas Eve on Thursday, Wise’s wife, Cindy called 911. Gunmen were stupid as they killed the Goodman without getting any money. See these smart Korean Methodist pastors and running dogs who stolen the church money and tried to demonize the innocent family to cover up the stealing with the church mobs, now refusing the audit in violation of Book of Discipline. Ironically it is known that the annual conference gave her 50,000 aid to her illicit ministry as if an incentive for the money laundry with no shame. Which group is better or worse than the others?
AUDIT THE STOLEN MONEY
When Ms. Kwang Hee Kim became the chairwoman of the Board, she could recover from the state some of the negligently abandoned trust fund by the smart 9 trustee members. The abandonment should be investigated if criminally oriented.
On July 15, 2007, the church passed Ms. Kwang Hee Kimโs proposal to audit the financial records from 2000. Reverend Chang at the time stated, โI will do it with two other people.โ But, he is still stalling the audit.
On December 14, Mr. Hyun Joong Kim made an additional proposal to recover the abused trust fund from the abusers. Reverend Chang is protecting his mentor, Reverend Won Tae Cha, who is responsible for all this church corruption. In fact, after the frivolous lawsuits were dismissed, the New York State Attorney General and the Judge advised the church to recover the stolen money from the abusers. (Bk of Dis).
But, following the end of the court cases, the stability only short-lived as Rev. Chul Woo Chang has followed his mentor Rev. Won Tae Cha against His will.
We as well as many others believe that Reverend Chul Woo Chang and Reverend Won Tae Cha campaigned for your election as bishop. Although they are your political patrons, you, as the bishop, are now obliged to follow the church rules, the state and federal laws, and obey God and to clean up the embezzlement of the church money and other anti-Christian attacks against innocent church members. However, you apparently failed to act promptly as a bishop. This church is located only a few blocks away from your Inter-Church Office. Didnโt you smell the stinks as yet?
Therefore, your standing is morally ambiguous in dealing with these criminals. Why do you tolerate the church to pay for the abusersโ legal fees with the stolen church money which violates the church rules? Did you not know they usurped the name of church to pursue these frivolous lawsuits?
Contrary to the church rules and your oath of office, why do you place the church on the ugly Judas’ side? Are you spiting onto the face of Christ? Why do you reward these anti-Christian criminal offenders? The church should not be allowed to become “a Judas’ dennโ.
If you can not comprehend, ask the Sunday school kids!! The youngsters might have a better answer for you from the Sunday school lessons.
YOUR OFFICIAL STANDING RESEMBLES ARCHIBISHOP EGANโS’ CATHOLIC CRIMINAL COVER-UPS
The Boston scandals in 2002 engulfed the entire Catholic Church when the accounts of priests, preying on children and being moved among parishes and shielded by their bishops while their accusers were ignored or bullied into silence, were revealed by the Boston Globe. Archbishop Edward Egan of New York betrayed the trust when his false testimony in numerous trials became known.
The entire picture of the scandals demonstrated a deeply corrupt and inept church leadership. Evidently, the church leaders had lied before God and to the congregation while covering up their pastoral sins in the name of Christ. Their sacrament appeared to be nothing more than sharing communion among the liars – Like Madoff Champaign.
The church under your UMC leadership has acted unjustly like Eganโs administration, ostracizing, poking, demonizing the victims in discrimination and prejudicing newcomers in hostile manner.
Thus, Reverend Chang and you tactically created an unfriendly, brain washed hostile environment in the church. Thus the church is literally under such dirty water. The abrasive words are nothing but the reflections of their resistance to justice.
The catastrophic mistakes for the Bishop seem to be the misinformation received from the Superintend Chin and local clergies who twisted the truth.
Now Rev. Chang brought all of those dangerous money laundering litigants on the church positions with voting power to reinforce his position as his mentor. The long time financial officer Mr. Rhim threatened to call police to stop my complaint of the money laundry schemes and the church financed murder changes against our family to the Charge Conference on December 16th. I responded, call them, “If they come, they will arrest you first.” For he is one of the team.
It seems to be another danger signal coming from their tricks against us, flexing the reset embezzlersโ muscles โ Another inquisition with murder charges in reversed Christianity. Best cure for the church is to reeducate or remove them from the positions. Otherwise, more ugly legal problems could re-arise as the mess gets worse every day by day under these unconfident brutal leaders. Do not rely on the brain washed, polluted lower IQ church officers!! For their souls are pollution damaged or in self obsolescence. Thus, Jesus said the Kingdom of heaven belongs to the children with no pollution. Mt 19;14-15.
Under the circumstances, all Korean clergies and Christians could ask Ms. Peguero for guidance how to confess before God.
DEMANDS UNDER THE CHURCH RULES
Your responsibilities as bishop are as follows:
1 Name the person(s) who told the lie to the judge that the murder charges against us were church-related.
2 Order Reverend Chul Woo Chang and the officers of the Korean United Methodist Church and Institute to start the audit according to the Book of Discipline.
3 After the audit is completed, order the pastor and the officers to seek legal action to recover the money from those who stole it and to make an insurance claim for money missing if the theft cannot be recovered. The church belongs to God, the pastor and the congregation must obey the church rules, the State and Federal laws. (The church rules require audit the financial records; bond and buy liability insurances for financial officers)
4 Make sure Mr. Paul Choi continues to repay the $70,000 he embezzled from the church as agreed upon with the New York State Attorney Generalโs office.
5 Appoint an impartial committee to investigate the embezzlement and lawsuits against my family and to investigate the character of Reverend Chul Woo Chang and Reverend Won Tae Cha who continue to defame the church, my family and I as if we have benefited from these lawsuits.
6 Order Reverend Chang, Reverend Cha, and church leaders who have hurt my family apologize to me, my son, and my wife and to the congregation. These demands are in honor of this historic church to be rescued from these evil hijackers. Remember Jesus said: “My house will be called a house of prayer, but you are making it a ‘den of robbers.โ (Matthew 21:12-13)
Dear Bishop Jeremiah J. Park! Our family respectfully submits you to accomplish your duty that you have the God-given power and authority to keep this church as โa house of prayer.” It is a God given golden opportunity for you to realize your loyal duty as the bishop for God and for the Korean United Methodist Church. Please remember this historic ๋ด์ํ์ธ๊ตํ near Columbia University, New York City.
May God bless you for His services. Sincerely yours in Christ,
Chae S. Sone Kyung Kim Sone Paul M. Sone
For reference, please check our previous letters sent to your office on this matter. Or, request copies of the letters sent to Reverend Chul Woo Chang, which would give you the history of these legal actions. You can learn from their depositions how they viciously conspired to torture our family.
Furthermore, you must get the court transcripts about the trials from the State Supreme Court in Manhattan and in Nassau County so that you can see for yourself how the church embezzled from the Building Trust Fund to finance the various illegal actions. Especially the transcripts of the sanctions hearings would cost $1,300 which will be educational for the bishop to the smart or ugly Koreans in Christian masks.
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10.๊ตํ์๊ธ ‘ํก๋ น’ ๊นํ๋ ๋ชฉ์ฌ ์ ์ฃ ํ์
.11. โMethodist politics corruption.โ New York Times. April 10, 1982.
12.. ๋ด์ ์ง ๊ฐ๋ณด๋ฆฌ๊ตํ, ์ธ๋ถ ํ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ฌ ๋ฐ๋๋ค This article can Phase on Internet and auto translated. NJ Calvary Korean Methodist church’s court order to audit the finance.
13. ์กฐ๊ฒฝ์ค ๋ชฉ ์ฌ ์ ํ ์ธ ์ด ๋ฏผ ๊ต ํ ์ ์ธ. Amenet.news
14. Insider theft a big problem for small charities
Recession, lack of safeguards heighten risk for little nonprofits
By Elizabeth Schwinn. MSNBC.com
15. U.S. Salvation Army major shot, stolen his kettle for the needy youth. December 26, 2009 – 5:24AM
Let us keep our church faithfully. Please send good advices to the leaders.
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Prayer by Money Laundry-man
On the Sunday March 14, 2010, Mr. Deuk Joo Chun offered the Sunday prayer on the pulpit who was one of the radical parties to promote the church financed lawsuits against our family. He was a false witness that I assaulted and injured Steven H. Park on the church stairways according to the Park’s court testimony for the case of the mass murder charges.
What a scandalous prayer is his? It is nothing but a Judah’s chant.
These are reflections of Rev. Chul Woo Chang’s morality allowing such character in “Jesus disguiseโ pray on the pulpit out of our Christian principles.
Prior to his prayer, he should have confessed his sins and their sins first and return the stolen church money. The transcript of his court testimony will cost $1,300 that would reveal their dept of abuse activities.
His prayer seems to signal another danger to us as the demonstration of their consolidated brutal church gang power without the proper confession in good faith. Watch out the Judah’s marching bands.
Korean United Methodist Church and Institute’s not so sacret drama ์์๊ธด๊ตํ์ฐ๊ทน์
UMC Korean clergy ์ค์๋ ๊ตํ๊ท์ธก๊ณผ ์์๋๊ฐ๋ผ์ธ ์ฌ์๋ฐฐ๋ฐํ๊ณ ๊ฐ๋กฏ์ ๋ค์๋ณต์์์์์ด๋ฆ์ผ๋ก์ ํ๋๊ฑฐ์ง์ฆ๊ฑฐํ๋๋ถ๋ค์ด์์๋๋ค Korean church leaders in New York and New Jersey should cloely examine this story help the church return to our Lord Jesus Christ.
๊ตํ๊ท์ธก์์งํค๋ฉฐ๊ตํ์ฌ์ ์๊ตํ๊ท์ธก๊ณผ ์์๊ฐ๋ผ์น์ฌ์๋ฐ๋ผ๊ฐ์ผํ๋ค๊ณ ์ฃผ์ฅํ๊ณ
๊ตํ๋ฅผ ๋ณดํธํ๋ ค๋ ์ด์ฌ์ฅ์ ์ด์ธ์ฃ์ธ๋ฒ์ผ๋ก๋ง๋ค๊ณ ์ด์ฌ์ฅ์ด์ฟ๋ ๋ฌด์ฃํ ๊ต์ธ์์ด์ธ๋ฒ์ผ๋ก๋ง๋ค๊ณ ๊ทธ์์๋ค๊น์ง์ฃ์ธ์ผ๋ก๋ชฐ๊ณ New York State Supreme Court ์์์ด์ธ๋ฏธ์์ฃ๋ก ์ฌํ์ํ์์๋๋ค ์ธ๋ฒ์์กํ๋๋ฐ$8,000,000,00 ์์๋๊ฐ๋ณด๋คํจ์ ๋งฃ์ ๋์์๊ตฌํ์
According to the trial judge F. Dana Winslow, someone from the Episcopacy deceived the Judge that the mss murder charges were church related. It was false because it was private lawsuit by Steven H. Park under the direction of Rev. Won Tae Cha, Young So Kim and others Bishop Park should know who deceived the judge.
Bishop Lyght learned about his crookedness and fired Rev. Cha to rescue the church because he was going to destroy the church. One Sunday there were only 24 worshippers during the court battles.
After many changes, Rev. Chul Chang ์ฅ์ฒ ์ฐ appointed to the church. When Rev. Chul Wood Chang ์ฅ์ฒ ์ฐ said on his inauguration day on the pulpit that “Rev. Won Tae Cha is my mentor.” Rev. Chul Woo Chang is stalling the audit of the church finance that would reveal the abused money by Rev, Won Tae Cha, but he is trying to protect his mentor, Rev. Won Tae Cha. ๋ชฉ์ฌ๋ค์ดํก์ํ์์๋๋์ ํ๋ณตํ๋ ค๋์ผ์๋ฐ๋ํ๋ ์ด๋๊ต์ธ์๋ง์์ด์
๋ชฉ์ฌ๋ ํ์์ด์ธ๋ฒ์ฌํ์์ ์ฌ๋ฌ๊ต์ฐ๋ฅผ์์์๋ก ๋๋ฌ์ด์์ต๋๋ค ๊ทธ์ค์๋ ์ต๊ทผ์ํฌ๊ฒ์ถ๋ชจ์๋ฐฐ๋ฅผ๋๋ฆฐ ์์ฐ์์ฅ Yang Woo Suck ๋
ธ๊ฐ๋น๋น์ด์งํฝ์ต์ด๋ฅผ ์ง๊ณ ์์๋๋ค ํ๊ตญ๊ธฐ๋
ธ๋์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ์กฑ์๋ชจ๋ฅด๋ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ตํ์๋๋ซ์๋ฅธ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ์์๋๋ฌ์จ์ฅ๋
ธ์ธ๋ฐ ์ด๋์ผ ์ฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ์ด์ธ๋ฒ์ด๋ผ๊ณ ์๋ฟ๋์ง ๊ทธ๊ฒ์์๋นจ๊ฐ๊ฑฐ์ง๋ง์
๋๋ค ๋ฐํ์ฌ wife ๋๋์์ ์์ ๊ณ ๋ฉ๋ถ๋ฆฌ๋ฉด์ ๋จํธ์ ์์ํ๋ฌํฐ๋์๋ฒ ๊ธฐ๋๋ก ์์๋๊ณ ๋๋ฌ์์๋๋ค ๋ชป๋๋ korean ๊ฐ๋กฏ์ ๋ค๋ค์์
์ด์ฐ๊ทน์ ์ง๊ธ์์ฅ์ฒ ์ฐ๋ชฉ์ฌ๊ฐํฉ๋ฒ์ ํ๊ฒ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ๋ก๋ง๊ณ ์์ด ์์ฆ๋
๋ถ๋ฒ์๊ฒ ์ํ๊ณ ์์๋๋ค ์์๋์๊ฒ๋ซ์๋ค์์
์ด korean shame ์
๋๋ค ์ฐ๋ฆฌ์์๋ค์๊ฒ๋ฌด์์๊ฐ๋ฅดํฌ์์์๊ฐ์? For the church is like under the capitulation of the dishonestly organized Korean criminals. Remember many young people is dying now in foreign lands to protect our value system.
์ฐ๋ฆฌ์๋ก์ด ์๋์ ์์ ์๋ค์์ง๋ํ์ฌ์ด๊ตํ๊ฐ๋๋๋ง์ฆ์์๋๋์ํ๋ก์ํํ๋ณตํฉ์๋ค
Rev. Chul Woo Chang, Rev. Won Tae Cha ๋์์๋์๋ฐ๋ก๋ฐ๋ฅด์ง์์ฝ ๋ฐ๋ก๊ฐ๋ฅด์น์ง๋๋ชปํฉ๋๋ค
๊ฒฐ๊ตญ์ด์คํจ๋Bishop Jeremiah J. Park์๊ฒํฐ์ฑ
์์ด์์๋๋ค Let us pray God to rescue our church
from the evil and return to our Lord Jesus Christ. We need the consciensious churcch leadership.
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4. How to save our church from the money scandals?
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6. Houston Korean church in turmoil
7. Steve H. Park’s false murder charges against me and my son and …in order to steal the church money
8. Dear Jesus! I am the Korean Bishop Jeremiah J. Park. What can I do for you in this …
9.A petition to Bishop Jeremiah J. Park to recover misused Church money … Now, Bishop Jeremiah J. Park must and others.
10. ์์๋ ๋๋ Korean Bishop Jeremiah Park ์
๋๋ค ๋๋๋น์ ์ ์ํด ์ด Christmas ์ ์ํด ์ ๋ฌด์์ ํ ์ ์์๊น์?
12. Park profanity Deposition doc 3.6 14 doc
Destroy the bully church hate criminals and establish the family values.
Mass Murder charge against the innocent church members by Steven H. Park, Young Kim and Rev. Won Tae Cha to loot the Korean church money.
This is the story how clergies looted our church money. In their good faith Jesus is dead. Judge shopping really cooped the poor defenders. The guys had multimillion$ hijacked church money. Can you help Jesus to get back the stolen money from the mobs? Our court system is like chopsuy.
REV. WON TAE CHAโS FALSE MASS MURDER CHARGES AGAINST US
TO STEAL THE CHURCH MONEY
Excerpts of small portion from the transcripts of Steven H. Parkโs testimony during deposition more than two hours, 8/17/2001. He charged that I and my son was going to kill him, his family, his lawyer and some church members. These are absolutely false testimonies which consist of lies and obscenities. I once met Steven Park in 1987, when he once came to my home in Hicksville to give us an estimate of home improvement project.
If he met my son, it should have occurred more than a quarter century ago at the Sunday day school.
Rev. Won Tae Cha, Steven H. Park, Young So Kim and others in-group conspired the lawsuits against us and tried to send us to jail in order to cover up the looting of church money. According to the trial judge, some from the bishopโs office deceived the judge that the mass murder charges were church related. Superintendent Noel N. Chin, Bishop Jeremiah J. Park and now
Rev. Chul Woo Chang refused to reveal who deceived the judge although we demanded so. Rev. Chang is blocking the 2007 church decided audit of the church finance from 2000.
PARK SUED US FOR OUTRAGEOUS BEHAVIOR
9. Q Thatโs what Iโm asking you. You said
7 you brought a lawsuit against him for outrageous
8 Behavior, heโs yelled at you before; right?
CHURCH COUNCIL AUTHORIZED LAWSUIT
18. Q So youโre testifying that in 1998,
19. A โThere was a resolution passed which authorized or
21. A โRequesting.โ
22. Q requesting or recommending that a
23. lawsuit be brought against Dr. Sone?
24, A โyes.โ
PARKโS AFFIDAVIT ON MY MURDER PLAN
Park falsely sworn the affidavit that my son and I were going to kill him. Paragraph 4 of his affidavit;
โ 5. In the year 2000, the defendant Sone, without cause or provocation,
approximately midyear, at the behest of the defendant, he sent his son,
Paul Sone, who threatened to kill me and other church members.โ
P. 90; 10-13. Paragraph 5 of Parkโs affidavit.
STEVE PARK CRIMINALIZED MY SON THRAETENED
TO KILL HIS LAWYER
Park lied that his lawyer informed him that my son was going to kill his lawyer and his staff in his office. It was absolutely false. He tried to ruin my son.
Page 148; 9-21
10 Chae Soneโs son, walked into my defense
11 lawyerโs office using profanities, like, you know
12 fuck you and these were the words that were
13 relayed to me, you asshole, Iโm going to kill you,
14 everybody in sight, kill you and everybody in
15 sight and he chuckled when he called me, he said
16 thereโs a little lunatic running around here, he
17 claims to being his son, and thatโs how I got this
PARK DID NOT KNOW HIS LAWYERโS NAME??
2 Q Do you remember the specific names of
Who is that attorney?
7 A I donโt have that name in my memory right now.
8 I would be happy to forward that name.
9 To you.
STEVE PARKโS TESTIMONEY IN PROFANITIES
His language indicates a corrupt sub-culture of so called Christians today,
a shame. You can see what kind church is ours?
13 Q I would like you to tell me exactly
14 What you say Chae Sone said to you.
15 A โHe said fuck you and asshole on a
16 routine basis , thatโs basically what he said, day
17 in and day out. ..โ
11. Q Do you recall what the first thing he
12. Said to you was?
13. A โYes. Curses.โ
14. Q Tell me exactly. This is?
15 A โF you and F you, you know, asshole, you
16 know, you better watch out your step,โ
17 Q That was the first thing he said to
19 A โYes. Constant. Constant. Itโs
20 Always regurgitation of same, same type of
21 Remarks, on and on and on.โ
Page 86; 8-17
8 Q I want to know exactly what you say
9 that Dr. Sone said to you approximately six months
10 ago in connection with killing your family What
11 did he say? What were his words?
12 A โHe said watch out, you asshole,
13 Specifically said you asshole, you watch out, if
14 You donโt watch your step, Iโm going to kill you.
15 Thatโs very specific. I canโt get much more
16 Specific than that. I just walked away. I just
17 Walked away.โ
SONEโS THREAT TO KILL PARK AND HIS FAMILY
5 Q Did you ever report it to the police?
6 A No I did not.
7 Why is that?
8 A Because I tried to do it peacefully.
9 Q Dr. Sone threatened to kill you. Do you
10 Realize thatโs a criminal offense?
18 Q Why didnโt you call the police about a threat to you and your family?
23 A โOnce again I knew the man. I wanted to resolve it amicably. So I did not want to get either the police or the legal system.โ
P. 61; 5-7
5 A โIโm going to kill your whole family.โ
6 Q Thatโs what Dr. Sone said to you?
7. A โYes.โ
P. 62; 9-17, 21-23.
9 Q Youโre claiming that Dr. Sone
10 threatened to kill you and your whole family?
11 A โYes.โ
12 Q When did he threaten to do that?
13 A โHe did it on several occasions. I do
14 remember several occasions very specifically. I
15 think it was like 1998. I donโt know the dates
16 I donโt keep diary of these things.โ
17 Q those are serious threats, right?
21. โMR. POVMAN 1998 and you said
22. there were other times?โ
(Mr. Povman lied too who advised Mr. Jung Kul Kim to write fake affidavit in support of their lawsuits against us.)
9 A โIt has not stopped.
10. This is now the year 2001. It is still
12. Q When did he first threaten to kill
13. You and your family?
14. A โI mentioned that to you. I think that
8. was like sometime in 1998.โ
9. Q Sometime in 1998?
10. A โYes.โ
11. Q Was that the first time that he ever
12. yelled you at you or acted outrageously?
REPORT THE THREAT TO ADB CHAIR MR. SHIN P. 64;19-25
19 Q Did you ever make a complaint to the
20. leadership of the church about Dr. Sone
21. threatening to kill you?
22. A โYes.โ
23. Q Did you make a written complaint?
24. A โI verbally expressed that to the
25. Administrative Board Chair, Mr. Shin at that time.โ
FALSE WITNESSES IN THE GANG P.87; 21-25
I subpoenaed over 10 persons including them for the trial. According to the trial judge, the Bishops deceived the judge that the murder charges were church related.
Parkโs witnesses heard the threats and profanities according to Mr. Park; โY. S. Kim; K. D. Shin; W. T. Cha; Y. H. Lee; Y. J. Kim; D. J. Chun; Paul Choi; Y. J. Kwon; I. C. Lee. โ
SONE SMACKED MY SHOULDER WITH HIS SHOULDER โ ASSAULT
โข โ4. On or about January, 2000, the defendant, without cause or
โข provocation struck deponent of the shoulder while in the Korean
โข United Methodist Church and Institute, the causing an injury to my
โข Shoulder.โ Paragraph 4 of Parkโs affidavit.
p.97;18-20, 23-24, 98; 2-11.
18 โโฆI was
19 walking down, he just, just with his shoulder,
20 just smacked me. I was very very startledโฆ
23. Q So you โre testifying that he hit you
24. With his shoulder on your shoulder?
2 A โYes.โ
3 Q which shoulder did he hit into?
4 A โThis side.โ
5 Q your left shoulder?
6 A โSo itโs my left shoulder.โ
7 Q Which shoulder did he use to hit you?
8 A โI do not know.โ
9 Q You donโt know?
10 A โI donโt know. I wasnโt looking at
HE LIED D. J. CHUN AND Y. J. KIM SAW IT p.101;10
9. A D. J. Chun was right behind me and
10. another individual, that was Kim Y. J. We usually
11. hang around together in church, so thatโsโฆโ
11. Q Did either Mr. Chun or Mr. Kim
15. Indicated that they had seen the incident?
16. A โ Oh, they said what the hell is this guy
17. doing is literally their expression.โ
18 Q What did Mr. Chun say as far as what
21 he saw?
22 A โI canโt believe that guy did that.
23 Thatโs it. We didnโt curse We didnโt do
MISSING ITEMS IN HIS AFFIDAVIT Pp. 105, 106, 107
11. Q Well, did you state in your sworn
14. Affidavit that it took
15. place in January of 2000?
16. A โI donโt recall that. I donโt.โ
18. A โOkay. So it must be January 2000.โ
P. 91; 11-24 โ 92; 912-23.
11. Q Iโm asking you whether that affidavit
12. Reflects, number one, the incident you must testified to that took
13. place (Threat to kill), allegedly took place
14. Between you and Dr. Sone six months ago. Is that
15. In the affidavit?
16. A Do you know what? Itโs not in there.
17. Do you know what? If you like, I will add it.
20. A No. Itโs not in there.
21. Q Are any of the incidents, the
22. numerous incidents where Dr. Sone allegedly
23. threatened your life, contained in that affidavit?
24 A No.
This is a description of the deadly disease of the United Methodist church โ A criminal mob action.
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4… How to save our church from the money scandals?
5. Houston Korean church in turmoil
6. Steve H. Park’s false murder charges against me and my son and …in order to steal the church money
7. Dear Jesus! I am the Korean Bishop Jeremiah J. Park. What can I do for you in this …
8.A petition to Bishop Jeremiah J. Park to recover misused Church money … Now, Bishop Jeremiah J. Park must and others.
9. ์์๋ ๋๋ Korean Bishop Jeremiah Park ์
๋๋ค ๋๋๋น์ ์ ์ํด ์ด Christmas ์ ์ํด ์ ๋ฌด์์ ํ ์ ์์๊น์?
10. Park profanity Deposition doc 3.6 14 docs
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