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Keith Olbermann Speaks Out On Prop 8
Posted on: November 11, 2008 8:59 PM, by Greg Laden
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Thanks for sharing. The passing of Prop 8 makes me sick to my stomach. Now let's do something about it.
Posted by: Dr A | November 11, 2008 9:07 PM
Keith Olbermann is awesome.
Posted by: thai | November 11, 2008 9:36 PM
Have to watch this in a bit. In the meantime, I'll use this as another medium to try to spread the meme of "Jim Flamingo Laws."
Posted by: Azkyroth | November 12, 2008 12:56 AM
That was frackin awesome. Bravo Keith - it's good to know that the U.S. has some public figures willing to speak passionately on matters of principle despite the hate of the fundamentalist right.
Posted by: Lee Harrison | November 12, 2008 1:04 AM
The vote makes me sick, too. And it just points out the importance of having courts that understand how civil rights work. People should not get to vote to take away the rights of others. Period. (Exccept criminals.)
The good side of this is that if the State Supreme Court does the right thing and throws out this vote, and then the 9th Circuit throws out this vote, it will go to the Supreme Court and they will have to do the right thing.
And Florida's and Arizon's vote and all the other states that did this to their fellow Americans will have theirs thrown out, too.
I, like Keith, don't get how it hurts anyone else if two gays want to get married. So they have a little revulsion at butt sex. Deal. Straight people sodomize, too.
Posted by: Mike Haubrich, FCD | November 12, 2008 1:47 AM
I suspect, on reflection, the opposition to gender-neutral marriage laws is probably at least as much due to the fact that such laws would eliminate their ability to pretend that marriage has not come to be considered by society to be a legal contract between equals who love each other, as opposed to a man taking possession of a woman.
Posted by: Azkyroth | November 12, 2008 2:40 AM
Holy, he was fuming! I am re-posting this, thanks for spreading the word.
Posted by: steppen wolf | November 12, 2008 3:48 AM
Of course, many of those who voted for Prop 8 don't believe that two people of the same sex can love each other in the way two people of the opposite sex can. At that point, I start asking, "is it the chromosomes or the organs that invalidate their love?" If it's the organs, then post op transexuals should be able to marry someone of the now opposite sex. If it's the chromosomes, then by their reasoning, people with three chromosomes, xxy, can't have romantic love for anyone. Like many theistic beliefs, they don't make sense if you think about them.
Posted by: Jackal | November 12, 2008 7:57 AM
post op transexuals should be able to marry someone of the now opposite sex.
It must be true that post-op transsexuals can marry members of the 'opposite' sex (refering to the POT's new gender). Right? (In current California law, that is.) I have to admit that I have not read the details on this.
The question here is, is there a grandfather clause, or is there a required divorce. If divorce is required ... if my sister, who is a hetero female living in California ... switches sides and becomes (via operations and hormone treatments) a man, and is forced to divorce her husband because same sex marriage is illegal, will she then go to hell?
Posted by: Greg Laden | November 12, 2008 9:11 AM
At that point, I start asking, "is it the chromosomes or the organs that invalidate their love?" If it's the organs, then post op transexuals should be able to marry someone of the now opposite sex.
- They probably don't think it's one XOR the other
- They don't like the idea of people changing their birth sex to begin with
Posted by: D | November 12, 2008 9:31 AM
Wow, he's a hero! He really GETS it. What a humane man. Thanks for posting this, as I missed this when it aired.
Posted by: Rhea | November 12, 2008 10:07 AM
Two things here. Keith Olbermann was unusally restrained in his delivery and he pretty much said it all. I've been having arguments with people about this very situation. Now I'm just going to link them to the video.
Anne G
Posted by: Anne Gilbert | November 13, 2008 1:41 AM