How can you tell a Christian is lying? His mouth is moving. : Greg Laden's Blog

Profile

Welcome to Greg Laden's Blog.

Search

How can you tell a Christian is lying? His mouth is moving.

Category: Year in Review
Posted on: December 27, 2008 7:47 PM, by Greg Laden

Many of my posts related to the Webster Cook Affair received a great deal of attention. In fact, the blogospheric activities related to the PZ Myers CrackerGate showed up as a noticeable bump in the internet and blew out a couple of those Middle Easter cables that are always breaking. This post is selected from this larger set, as is the next one I will post.

Share this: Facebook Twitter Stumbleupon Reddit Email + More

TrackBacks

TrackBack URL for this entry: http://scienceblogs.com/mt/pings/88742

Comments

"How can you tell a Christian is lying? His mouth is moving."

Seriously? What sort of dumb thing to say is that? All Christians are liars? I'm not a Christian, but come on ... I hope you're smarter than actually believing what you write. Sheech!

It this sort of nimrod statement that makes people think atheists are idiots.

Posted by: GhostOfIdeaPast | December 27, 2008 10:00 PM

Thanks GhostOfIdeaPast, your concern is duly noted.

Posted by: Miguel | December 28, 2008 1:47 AM

GhostOfIdeaPast: Have you read the post or do you just read titles then make idiotic statements about them?

Posted by: Xavier | December 28, 2008 2:03 AM

Well, perhaps the title should be just a little more informative, eh?

Then again, this is just an echo chamber.

Posted by: GhostOfIdeaPast | December 28, 2008 2:15 AM

They don't even have to have their lips moving to lie. Just breathing pretty much does the trick.

Posted by: Aquaria | December 28, 2008 2:48 AM

And for the record, I had read the original post ... it has the same idiotic title.

Posted by: GhostOfIdeaPast | December 28, 2008 3:04 AM

I must admit I also find the title offensive. I am atheist, but have lots of great friends who believe weird things. They don't lie all the time.

It doesn't really matter that this post, or any other with the same title, isn't as provocative as this. A title stands on it's own, as it is too often the only thing people will read, and is assumed to be representative of the main content. It might not be, but it surely puts off many people.

And fact is that the statement is false.

P.S. Please don't give me crap about how it really is about someone specific. I know the case, and yet the title says "a Christian", and you know what that means, so come a get it!

Posted by: Bjorn Ostman | December 28, 2008 3:38 AM

And for the record, I had read the original post ... it has the same idiotic title.

Ghost: I would hope so. This post (the one you are reading now) is merely a pointer to the old post, as part of a year in review series (click the category
"Year in Review" above, under the title, to see all of them so far). It is supposed to have the same title. But my suggestion to read the post applies to the actual post as well.

Bjorn and others: This title is a "literary" allusion to something. That is its meaning. I will explain how I can write a post that says: "There are a lot of Christians that I trust and love" that is titled "How can you tell a Christian is lying.. etc. etc."

But first I will note that getting the conflict, understanding that this post is about a painful reality, a contradiction, etc requires reading not only the title but also THE FIRST SENTENCE!!! .. and as as Buzz Lightyear would say ... AND BEYOND!!!!!

The expresseion to which this alludes is "How do you tell a drug addict is lying ... his mouth is moving."

The meaning of that statement is not that drug addicts cannot tell the truth. Rather, it means that drug addicts are imprisoned in a world in which they need to do whatever they can to get the fix, and that will mean lying to a loved one, etc. etc.

Now, a Christian is not the same as a drug addict ... the nature of the problem is different. But a Christian is similar in that the Christian will lie knowingly to individuals that one should not really be lying to and do so because of the characteristic that, like the addiction makes the addict an addict makes the Christian what s/he is, is their religious essense as a human being. Faith justifies or requires the lie.

I am fully aware (and you must know this!) that a title like this will turn off a certain number of readers before they get to the first sentence, and will engage others, and in all cases it is a strong statement.

Just think of me as a lefty shock blogger and it may make more sense.

Posted by: Greg Laden | December 28, 2008 9:38 AM