Stealing Genes and Hypergyny

This post was originally titled “Mail Order Brides and Hypergyny.” I was prompted to revisit the post because it received a a rather astonishing comment that I chose not to allow, but I did post it on my Facebook page where any attention it would receive would be from the thoughtful people that make up my Facebook community rather than just anybody out there on the Internet. Also, I recently received a complaint from a reader that Scienceblogs.com has been showing a lot of ads for “mail order brides,” and this post was originally partly a response to that.

I should also mention that in the years between 2009 and 2014 it is possible that the term “mail order brides” has been legitimately problematized. I don’t know that it has, it just seems like it must have been. For example, Wikipedia says “The term “mail-order bride” is both criticized by owners (and customers) of international marriage agencies and used by them as an easily recognizable term.[2] It has been pointed out that there is a discrepancy between how international adoptions are regarded (“saving a child”) and how international marriages are regarded (“buying a wife”).” citing Lilith, Ryiah (2000–2001), Buying a Wife but Saving a Child: A Deconstruction of Popular Rhetoric and Legal Analysis of Mail-Order Brides and Intercountry Adoptions 9, Buff. Women’s L.J., p. 225F Schaeffer-Grabiel (2005), When the mail-order bride industry shifted from using a magazine. If you have any comments on that please leave them below.

Original Post, Mail Order Brides and Hypergyny:

Seymour had a mail order bride and he was very proud. Seymour was a night watchman that I got to know because I was forever lurking around at night, passing through alarmed doors and making a nuisance of myself and, usually, keeping just one step ahead of Seymour, who’s main objective in life was to find a reason to throw me out of the building. The one time he actually had the drop on me, found me without ID, with no instructions that people would be working late in the lab, on a weekend that people were not supposed to be in the building because of work being done on the fire alarm system, he made his move and told me to get out or I’d be arrested.

I had no choice.

I engaged in a conversation with Seymour, which no one had ever done before, and after a half hour he went way forgetting that his main goal in life was to throw me out of the building. But in the mean time, I learned about his mail order bride. From Korea.

I’ve noticed that Scienceblogs.com has been running ads for hot Russian mail order brides. These ads are rather funny on the surface; They seem to be parodies of such things that they represent. But if you click on one (and I certainly did … expecting to end up at The Onion) one learns that this is the real thing. These are real ads for real Russian women who really want to marry you. If you are Seymour.

I’ve told you before that I mostly avoid commenting on the advertisers for Scienceblogs.com. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. One of the most evil corporations on the planet is one of our sponsors, and no one ever seems to notice or complain. My blog is editorially independent (as are all the other scienceblogs.com blogs) and I am free, if I choose, to blog against the big evil corporation, and in fact, have done so to a limited extent.

At first, I found it rather shocking that none of my fellow Sblings seem to be blogging about the mail order bride ads. Then I realized that they must all be using ad blockers.

For my part, as you may have noticed, almost everything I encounter lately seems to remind me of a story from the Congo. (I wonder why that is?) So I can tell you a little about hypergyny in the Congo.

Let’s get two things straight:

1) Mail order brides are participating in hypergyny. Hypergyny is where females (gynos) marry “up” (hyper).

2) You will see the term “hypergamy” used and that is simply incorrect. There can be no such thing as hypergamy as a practice because that means everybody marries up. How would that work? The term is “hypergyny.”1

Hypergyny can occur in a lot of different cultural systems, and in fact wherever there is a) differential wealth and b) males tend to control big hunks of that wealth and the associated power (and no, it is NOT all about power … wealth and power are historically interchangeable enough that we should be cautious about making such distinctions) there will be hypergyny because there will be women who either choose it or are forced into it. In this form, and exploiting the ongoing conversations about rape, hypergyny can be understood by reference to the sexual interactions between allied forces liberating Europe from the Nazis and the local women. In Italy, Allied men tended to rape the women. In France, the women seemed happy to sleep with the men. For food. The difference? Well, lots of things were different, but to oversimplify somewhat, there was a big difference in how much people were starving at that particular moment between Italy and France.

Hypergyny is sleeping with the man over a longer term. For food and everything.

The most benign form of hypergyny of which I am aware (not counting mail order brides …. I’m not sure where I want to put that phenomenon on any scale of severity) is that found among the Efe Pygmies (and other Pygmies) in Central Africa.

Here, there are two integrated but distinct cultural entities: Villagers and Foragers. The Villagers are not Efe. They may be Bantu or Central Sudanic speakers (where I worked, they were Central Sudanic Lese). Villagers are farmers who often hunt, Efe are both foragers and farm laborers. The fact that there are material overlaps between the cultures does not make these cultures overlapping in all ways, or hard to distinguish, or flexible in membership. They are as solidly different as any caste might be.

The rules: Any Villager man and woman can marry. Any Forager man and woman can marry. Any man may have more than one wife.

A Villager woman can never marry a Forager man, but a Forager woman may marry a Villager man.

Often, but by no means always, the Forager woman who marries a Villager man is a second (or maybe even third) wife of that man, in a polygynous marriage.

If a Forager woman marries a Villager man, they live in the village as villagers. The woman takes on the cultural trappings of the village much more than other Forager women do. The children are Villagers. If the woman leaves her husband and goes back to the forest, she can not take the children with her. They remain as villagers.

The women can decide to do this or not. Their decision is usually a matter of personal lifestyle preference. The forest means freedoms not available in the village and you get to go camping all the time, and there are rich cultural traditions that live mainly in the forest, and that is where your family is. In the villages, you get a roof that will hardly ever leak.

One of the effects of this system is that men among the Foragers marry on average quite late owing to the a shortage of women.

In this way, there is a slow and steady gene flow from Forager groups to Villager groups, which led me to propose some years ago the Gene Stealing hypothesis. The relationship I describe here occurs in many different places and times. It seems to occur more often in tropical regions, and it seems to occur virtually all the time where the indigenous group (in this case the Forager) is hypergynous to the invading group (in this case the Villagers, who moved into the area hundreds of years ago).

The invading group is not adapted to local disease to the extent that the indigenous group is. But they can ensure that among their children there will be an elevated rate of such adaptation, by coming up with this pattern. This works much better than just killing off the locals or driving them out. You take their genes but keep them distinct as a locally adapted specialist group.

Indeed, there is evidence that something like this may have happened in the middle east with the Natufian culture, and I’ve wondered about the relationship between Modern Humans and Neanderthals in this regard.

I know, I know, that is a long way from pictures of Hot Russian Babes that may or may not be in the right sidebar.

Or maybe not….

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1There is a way in which hypergamy, which is widely used much to my annoyance, makes sense: If you have hypergyny and hyperandry, then the two together could be hypergamy, much like polyandry and polygyny are polygamy. But that is not what is going on with these terms.

Comments

  1. #1 articulett
    July 1, 2009

    Fascinating! I wonder how the mail order brides feel about their situation.

    Also, I really enjoyed your talk on MN atheists this week!

  2. #2 Jason Thibeault
    July 1, 2009

    It’s funny, now they seem to be ads for flushable doggy doo bags.

    I wouldn’t have seen the mail-order brides ad if I hadn’t turned off Adblock on your blog for the duration of June. Now that the ad revenue is no longer going to the Ituri Forest People’s Fund I guess I should turn it off.

    At an old job, I knew a particularly highly placed geek that had obtained, through the company’s dealings with Ukraine, a Ukrainian “mail order” bride, sans mail order by my understanding. The disparity in attractiveness was a little surprising, but both of them were getting something they wanted out of it, so I was happy for them.

  3. #3 mk
    July 1, 2009

    I had not heard about the Italy/France differences regarding the Allies treatment of women. Is there a particular authority on this you can recommend? Thanks.

  4. #4 William Carlton
    July 1, 2009

    I’m pretty sure that mail-order brides appeal to my loins.

    Kidding.

  5. #5 Renee
    July 1, 2009

    How is this different from every other female-male interaction?

    It’s the norm in humans, as well many other animals (ever heard of nuptial gifts?) for females to require some form of payment when they mate. This is simply because bearing children for females is more costly than for males, so females are pickier about who they mate with. There are many things that can make it worthwhile for a female to mate with a particular male; oftentimes it’s the genetic quality of the male, but it’s common for the male to exchange other things, like food or parental care.

  6. #6 Greg Laden
    July 1, 2009

    One time I was talking to some students in an informal conversation about mating systems of insects and mammals. Richard Wrangham was passing by. He stopped and said “And this of course is because Greg Laden is such as stud! His own experiences warp his view!” and kept going. I had accidentally reversed sexes while saying which individual in a hetersexual erotic encounter among bonobos showed up with the stick off sugar cane and which one left with the stick of sugar cane.

  7. #7 JL
    July 1, 2009

    So how much do you get for each mail order bride click-through purchase?

  8. #8 the real meme
    July 1, 2009

    This reminds me of good ol’ “Russian Whore Night” at a famous local bar, now defunct.

    The Russian/Czech/Bosnian/etc women and the mail order brides would come to this bar and meet in the hopes of upping it to a guy with more money than the guy they were with at the time. Many of them were very sneaky, very whorish, and all of them were gold diggers who already had husbands. They were actively engaging in cuckoldry at the highest level–these were not women to pity, but to fear.

    The funny thing is, in terms of cultural capital–beauty–they were always one up on any man they were with, and so I don’t think gene stealing was the ultimate goal. Power, money, and fame were what many were after, but at the end of the night many of them went home together, or with another ‘poor disadvantaged woman.’ Those fucke….er…those lickers!

  9. #9 Andrew
    July 1, 2009

    Your fellow sciencebloggers are starting to notice the ads, it would seem.

  10. #10 MadScientist
    July 1, 2009

    The Africans sound so much more civilized than us folk in the USA. It wasn’t that long ago that inter-racial marriage was considered a crime in many areas.

    I thought you didn’t call them “Pygmies”?

    Grrlscientist noticed the ads and they seem to have angered her. I never saw the ads since other sites really annoyed me and I installed Adblock+ last week.

  11. #11 Anne Gilbert
    July 2, 2009

    Interesting, your comment on possible interactions between Neandertals and “moderns”. In one of my novels(admittedly they’re all science fiction), this is the scenario. But the N’s in my novels are pretty “civilized” in their own way. . .
    Anne G

  12. #12 Marina Demchuck
    March 12, 2010

    Hello from Ukraine !

    Well I’m not a Mail Order Bride, but 3 of my friends now are, and I’m not against the notion.

    Many Western men come here looking for such, especially Kiev and Odessa.

    My 3 friends have all moved abroad to their mens countries [USA,Poland & Austria] and they are happy, I know 1 girl who was abused a few years ago by a Western man she began relations with, so, its those swings and roundabouts.

    As to the reasons WHY so many FSU women seek the foreign husband, and other way round ? Well, that might be simple to explain but, I think it because of a complex set of reasons, and not simple at all.

    I enjoyed very much reading this topic, so, I want say you well done for the good writing.

    Sincerely,

    Marina – Rivne [Rovno] Ukraine.

  13. #13 Robert Riley, Pimp
    November 18, 2010

    You said – Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. At the same time the term ‘mail order bride’ is fraudulent itself. It is very negative colored label. And it’s inside your post title.

  14. #14 Stephanie Z
    November 18, 2010

    “Robert,” you understand that fraud is a crime, yes? There is nothing fraudulent about using a historical term instead of whatever euphemistic branding you’d prefer to see to help your business.

  15. #15 Greg Laden
    November 18, 2010

    Robert, thanks for giving me this opportunity to mess with you.