The US Senate added several amendments that will limit the new Federal Hate Crimes bill in important ways. The amendments were snuck onto an utterly unrelated bill that can’t be voted against (a bill to SUPPORT THE TROOP… can’t vote against that).

The point of these limitations is to keep the hate crime bill from affecting people who want to do bad things to gay people.

the ranking Republican on the Judiciary Committee. Sen. Sessions gave a speech explaining that he does not believe the current hate-crimes laws should be extended to include gender identity and sexual orientation protections.

“I don’t think that our focus here is to deal with symbolic legislation that’s broad and could expand federal criminal jurisdiction beyond its historic role and where the facts do not support the need.”

And how would that apply, say, to slavery and sufferage? I mean, really Senator, “historic role?”

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Comments

  1. #1 Love Crimes
    July 22, 2009

    The so called “hate crimes” bill is nothing but a censorship bill designed to silence critics of the far left homosexual fascist agenda. Any preacher who preaches against homosexuality (it’s in the Bible) might become a victim of this stupid bill. In effect, we call it the federal censorship bill. Aka, the left wing fascist marxist bill. I hope it fails miserably along with cap and tax, and the Obamacare socialism plan. Destroying a country in the name of “change” is not moving forward, it’ sinking downward.

    Also answer me this question? What the hell is a hate crime? Has anyone ever been murdered out of love? Has anyone ever been raped out of love? Has a bank ever been robbed out of love? Have these fascists gone completely insane?

  2. #2 Stephanie Z
    July 22, 2009

    [yawn] You’re late to the party. Here’s the text of the bill–before it was watered down. Please cite the part that applies to speech in any way.

  3. #3 Greg Laden
    July 22, 2009

    Love: You have utterly destroyed the credibility of all right wing yahoos in one fell swoop. Oh wait, that had already happened…

    Anyway, just be be clear, the point of the hate crime bill is not to censor speech. It does nothing like that. You can keep your fucking hat speech. For whatever reason, the founding fathers saw fit to protect low lives like you from all kinds of sensible hog-tying and disarming.

    The bill does something entirely different, which is mainly to add sentence time and to diver some federal money into enforcement when the usual crimes of violence such as assault, murder, kidnapping, etc. are carried out with a clear hate related motive when that hate is against a class.

    Do you have a problem with that or would you prefer your gay-bashing and lynching to be legal?

  4. #4 MadScientist
    July 22, 2009

    @Love Crimes: For many centuries religions have murdered, lied, tortured, and raped all in the name of their god’s love. One of the most recent such events which people may still remember involves Osama Bin Laden. There are also many crimes committed which are not necessarily inspired by hatred – folks might break into your car or house and steal all your stuff, but they don’t necessarily hate you; in fact, in some weird sort of way they might talk about how much they love you for all the goodies you’ve given them.

    It’s pathetic how the religious (and it’s only ever the religious) want a guaranteed right to be able to abuse homosexuals.

  5. #5 JThompson
    July 23, 2009

    @Love Crimes: You can always tell how pissed off a stupid person is by counting how many adjectives they use in one sentence. You get double points for using adjectives to describe things incorrectly. You get triple points for multiple uses of the word “fascist” without knowing what the word means. You may also want to look up the word “agenda”. An agenda isn’t a bad thing. Everyone has one. You’re currently working toward the “Pig ignorant agenda”.

    @MadScientist: I dunno, I’ve seen quite a few atheists/agnostics that disliked hate crimes bills more than they did actual hate crimes. Conservatives/Libertarians/Randroids, usually.
    They’re pretty well indistinguishable from the religious fanatics. They’re less common, but they’re definitely out there. (Just google “libertarian hate crimes”. It’s a thoroughly depressing read.)

    My sympathy for libertarians/conservatives that violently oppose hate crimes laws will increase drastically when people start beating them to death in public and dragging them behind trucks. Until then, as far as I’m concerned, they’re like men demanding the final say in a debate on the reproductive rights of women. It certainly doesn’t help their case they usually are those people.

  6. #6 Richard Eis
    July 23, 2009

    Why… why do you let completely irrelevant amendments be snuck into a document that has nothing whatsoever to do with this as part of government. It should be noted and the person penalised.

    -Has anyone ever been murdered out of love? Has anyone ever been raped out of love?-

    umm, yes. Rather obviously. Murder and rape in the home is more common than outside usually.

    ‘Obamacare’ – you mean that thing which has run quite successfully in other countries for years and allows us the security and peace of mind about our health and that if it was removed in our country would cause widespread rioting?

  7. #7 Mike Haubrich, FCD
    July 23, 2009

    I am going to attempt this again this morning, as I was getting error messages last night:

    I love the poor, persecuted white male conservative minority, don’t you? I think that they should be a class included in hate crimes legislation. Look at all they have to face on a daily basis:

    1. Ingratitude from atheists who don’t appreciate the bold strokes of the Founding Fathers to make this a Christian Nation, something that had never been done in all of world history.

    2. The prospect of a “wise Latina” actually allowing her personal background to inform her judicial decision. What a racist!

    3. Valuable classroom space normally reserved for generational legacies going to affirmative action students.

    4. Pop music being taken over by Hippety Hop gangstas.

    5. Liberal scientists and journalists making fun of the only way to prevent pregnancy and STD’s.

    6. Gays actually holding hands in public witnout shame. Shame.

    7. EBT cards taking the place of food stamps so they can’t “Tut tut” at black women buying junk food on their dime.

    8. White turncoat lawyers defending coons in civil rights cases.

    9. The federal government usurping the right of states to demand literacy tests and poll-taxes.

    10. The loss of segregated bathrooms and faucets in public places.

    11. Women getting jobs and wearing pants in public.

    12. Mexicans and Muslims coming to this country and taking their jobs and speaking those weird languages.

    13. Indians net fishing in Minnesota lakes and then opening up casinos. It ain’t right for them to have any sort of “privilege” when we took their land fair and square.

    14. Good ole boys having to face criminal charges for beating up blacks and fags.

    15. Flag-burning radicals being protected by activist courts.

    16. Commies taking prayer out of public schools and the same commies trying to mess with the pledge and the rights of health insurance companies to gouge us for premiums while denying coverage.

    This really is all too much. Who can blame them for feeling “put upon?”

    They are the most hated minority in the country, and deserve protection. Poor white conservatives. Can no one feel their pain?

  8. #8 DuWayne
    July 23, 2009

    Any preacher who preaches against homosexuality (it’s in the Bible) might become a victim of this stupid bill.

    AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!! Umm, No, no they aren’t…

    Aka, the left wing fascist marxist bill.

    Which is it? Left wing Marxist, or fascist – because these are really, really not the same things???

    What the hell is a hate crime?

    A crime committed because the perpetrator attacked an individual due to a specific trait that person has, that would have made anyone else with that trait an equally reasonable target. For example, if someone militantly apposes religious right wingers and attacks one or two of them – spewing anti-religious right epitaphs, it would be considered a hate crime.

    Has anyone ever been murdered out of love? Has anyone ever been raped out of love?

    People are murdered by a significant other who loves them every damned day. And rape is quite often committed by a family member. While many people would love to pretend that this just indicates that family member doesn’t really love the victim, or that the victim just shouldn’t love that family member – this is simply not the case. Indeed, quite often the act is twisted in the perp’s head, into an expression of love.

    I know it would be much simpler to make this all black and white and pretend it isn’t love at all, but love isn’t black and white. It is complicated – messy even. And guess what? Not only do those rapist family members usually love their victims…Their victims usually love them too. Even if they hate them…

  9. #9 DuWayne
    July 23, 2009

    For whatever reason, the founding fathers saw fit to protect low lives like you from all kinds of sensible hog-tying and disarming.

    Actually Greg, there were some exceptionally good reasons for it, not the least being that hate speech is a very subjective concept. Or more accurately, “reasonable” and “worthy” speech are very subjective. What the gubbermint today deems legal, could be illegal tomorrow, when a new government is elected. And forget about even the pretense of democracy we currently enjoy in the U.S., when the government can censor – political discourse is largely dependent on free speech.

    More importantly, it is good to know who these hateful, bile-filled motherfuckers are. When we suppress their ability their ability to say their piece, we also suppress our own ability to keep an eye on them – to know who to keep an eye on.

    There are a lot of very good reasons for the founding fathers to have decided that even ignorant fucking morons should have a voice that is free. Not the least being, that their decision to do so means that you and me get to speak our minds freely too.

  10. #10 Martin
    July 23, 2009

    Any preacher who preaches against homosexuality (it’s in the Bible) might become a victim of this stupid bill.

    If only that were true.

  11. #11 Wyatt
    July 23, 2009

    It would not be unreasonable to have an actual thought crime bill given the existence of folks like Mr. Crimes here.

  12. #12 catgirl
    July 23, 2009

    Any preacher who preaches against homosexuality (it’s in the Bible) might become a victim of this stupid bill.

    It’s really hard to tell if Love Crimes is lying, or if s/he has just been duped by someone else lying.

  13. #13 CyberLizard
    July 23, 2009

    Sadly, catgirl, there are all too many examples of people who are clearly duped by this reasoning. Since the person spouting the crap is delusional, it can’t really be called lying.

    @Love Crimes – don’t be a cowardly little troll-and-run-away type. Stick around, let us have more of your ass-backward right-wing “logic” to play with.

  14. #14 Andrew
    July 23, 2009

    LoveCrimes is probably a Poe.

  15. #15 Love crimes
    July 23, 2009

    I love the poor, persecuted multi-race she male liberal minority, don’t you? I think that they should be a class included in hate crimes legislation. Look at all they have to face on a daily basis:

    1. Ingratitude from conservatives who don’t appreciate the bold strokes of the Founding Fathers to make this a Christian Nation, something that is a know fact to real historians.

    2. The prospect of a “wise Latina” actually allowing her personal background to inform her judicial decision. What a racist! Yes she is racist and a marxist indeed.

    3. Valuable classroom space normally reserved for generational legacies going to indoctrinate young minds about moonbat conspiracies and wild hethen agendas.

    4. Classical music being taken over by conservative gun nuts.

    5. Creation scientists and journalists making fun of the only wyto prevent pregnancy and STD’s which tio to keep that thing in your pants until marriage and proves to be 100 percent effective.

    6. Real married couples, one man and one woman actually holding hands in public witnout shame or violent attack from drugged up moonbats fags.

    7. EBT cards taking the place of food stamps so they can’t “Tut tut” at black women buying junk food on their dime. Junk food that makes them weigh 500 pounds and we have to pay for their heart surgery – socialism.

    8. White turncoat lawyers defending atheists and criminals in all cases.

    9. The federal government usurping the right of states to demand literacy tests and poll-taxes. Huh?

    10. The loss faucets in public places becuase people are scared of getting aids from the foirnicators who drank from them before.

    11. Women getting jobs and wearing pants in public. Hillary Clinton? nah Palin is the real woman!

    12. Mexicans and Muslims coming to this country and taking their jobs and speaking those weird languages and making us pay for thier healthcare and education while secretly planning to nuke the country into oblivion while we sit back and let them.

    13. Indians net fishing in Minnesota lakes and then opening up casinos in which fags flock to like flies on a cow. It ain’t right for them to have any sort of “privilege” when we took their land fair screwed them in the butt in return for cottage cheese and pot.

    14. Moonbat boys having to face criminal charges for beating up conservatives and burning the American flags

    15. Flag-burning radicals being protected by activist courts. That happeens more than you know. Thoise fascists should be hanged or excommunicated from the country.

    16. Commies taking prayer out of public schools and the same commies trying to mess with the pledge and the rights of health insurance companies to gouge us for premiums while denying coverage to illegal aliens who “f**K us over and laugh at us behind our backs for bringing socialims to America under the guise of “change”.

    This really is all too much. Who can blame them for feeling “put upon?”

    They are the most hated minority in the country, and deserve protection. Poor marxist moonbat faggots. Can no one feel their pain?

  16. #16 Stephanie Z
    July 23, 2009

    Love crimes, until you can either support your original (wildly wrong) statement or explain that you understand it was wrong and why, why would anyone bother to read anything else you have to say?

  17. #17 Richard Eis
    July 24, 2009

    -Real married couples, one man and one woman actually holding hands in public witnout shame or violent attack from drugged up moonbats fags.-

    Except that has never actually happened. Not that mere facts would ever get in the way of you being a complete cunt to anyone remotely different from you.

    Why don’t you just admit that you like bullying people because it makes you feel special and that the bible is just an excuse to be a bastard.