This one is very much worth the effort. Stop here first for some instructions on strategy, then go here to do this thing.


Holy crap! The Kent Hovind poll started out looking like this:

What do you believe about evolution?

It’s a religion.
* It’s a fact!
* It’s a reasonable scientific theory.

Then it changed to:

What do you believe about CREATION?

It’s a religion.
* It’s a fact!
* It’s a reasonable scientific theory.



  1. #1 Dave X
    July 30, 2010

    Holy Crap? What would you expect from such a liar?

  2. #2 Mike Haubrich
    July 30, 2010

    If you want a good laugh, check out their explanation on why teh Big Bang won’t work. Not even their reason why, but their explanation of what it is.

    I’m okay with ignorance. That can be fixed. It’s the willful ignorance that bugs me (except when it is really funny.)

  3. #3 Rational Crank
    July 30, 2010

    It reminds me of this British sitcom from the 70’s I used to love called β€œYes Minister.” Here is their take on conducting polls.

  4. #4 AnonymousCoward
    July 30, 2010

    @ Mike in #2

    I was going to but I got to this line:

    George Lemaitre, a Belgium

    and decided against it.

  5. #5 Guardian of the Poll
    July 30, 2010

    Well, that’s what happens to poll fornicators. When they try to crash polls and certain Guardians get in on the action and make things right, it blows up in your face. You only got what was coming to you. Too much poll fornication has been going on as of late. I’m off to sabve the world of polls from the evils of fonication. Tell The master fornicator PZ Myers how my campaign has been competing with his and how the godd will always win. HA HA HA HA HA! Poll fornication has been desecrated. A few months ago PZ fornicated Elections Meter, but like a good little soldier of righteousness I took up my sword and sheild and defeat his evil fornication presence there. I am … The Defender … The Warrior … The Guardian … Of the poll!

  6. #6 Greg Laden
    July 30, 2010

    Guardian, what took you so long to show up here and get it all wrong?

    When you put a poll on the interent, you are asking people to click a choice. We obliged. Nothing wrong there.

    When you change the wording of a question so people who said “yes” are now being counted as saying “no” you are guilty of a venial sin. One venial sin, I’m pretty sure, per vote that you reversed.

    This Hovind guy is going to hell in a handbasket for being a typical Christian. A lying liar lying.

  7. #7 Guardian of the Poll
    July 30, 2010


    You are just mad becuase he messed up your little fornication process. You didn’t get to mess with this poll. Besides. What is the difference between YOU ‘correcting” the poll answer and ME RE-Correcting it?

    I think it is hilarious. Here you all are intentionally messing up this poll becuase you cannot stand creationists/conservatives and their way of thinking. Therefore you wanted to “correct” the poll answers in the manner in which you want society to answer. Then, here comes reality. You didn’t win this time. Get over it andf stop being such a baby.

    Now, if only we could just as easily reverse that illegal and unconstitutional healthcare/population control bill that the evil pucker face Pelosi forced on us.

  8. #8 Greg Laden
    July 30, 2010

    You are just mad becuase he messed up your little fornication process.

    Not at all. I couldn’t be happier to see his true colors flying so boldly!!!

    What is the difference between YOU ‘correcting” the poll answer and ME RE-Correcting it?

    Again, there is a difference between people clicking an answer on an internet poll that is available for the general public to click on, and faking the results. It’s the difference between right and wrong, truth and lying.

  9. #9 Guardian of the Poll
    July 30, 2010

    Oh. Now wait a minute. You are supposed to be all liberal and stuff. i thought liberals didn’t believe in absolute right and absolute wrong, and abosolute good and absolute evil. I guess we conservatives are starting to rub off on you a little. Used to, liberals thought everything was relative. Hmmm. Greg, you impress me. You are growing as a human being. Ever heard of the made up term “moral relativism”. No such thing. it’s either right or wrong. no in beteen. You just proved that you believe it too. I am impressed. You haven’t lost all of your senses of good yet. Somewhere in you is that little boy who existed before those college days. Please bring him back out again. The world was nicer before liberals of the 1960s highjacked America and religion. Ever since we have been going downhill, crashing ready to burn. Now that the Tea party is here and conservatives are mad, we are starting to defeat evil once again.

  10. #10 Greg Laden
    July 30, 2010

    No, I’m just trying to speak in terms you might understand a little.

    Your biography of me is a bit off. I founded a group called “Impeach Nixon” in 1970, and organized a march. I was 13, and it was the end of a long political career (eg ) that I put aside to become an archaeologist.

    I was your worst nightmare from the day I was born.

  11. #11 Guardian of the Poll
    July 30, 2010

    13? How is it your parents let you do this and where was they on the parenting scene? Sounds like they were either absent or jsut did not care what you did. Were you even aware of what “impeach nixon” was all about? Remember that many kooks in this time period were very anti-American and supported the communists in Vietnam. I think that may be called treason by some. Of course Nixon may have had it coming anyway. His handling of things was not that great and he was a nut anyway.

    Of course some wanted to impeach Bush. Bush was okay but I wish we had not gone into Iraq. We could have actually come out better by leaving ole huff and puff Hussein in power. He was an evil old bastard, but we could have pitted Iraq against Iran in order to keep Iran at bay. Iran would not be as bold today if President Ahanutjob realized that Iraq had out backing and they were surrounded.

    Besides. Nothing of real value had come from the war in iraq. Of course we are rid of a crazed dictator, but the country is in complete disorder as a result of our interference. We should have left it alone.

    Going after bin laden could have been different too if spec ops were left alone. They had him cornered and could have killed him, but rules of engagement and soft hearted politicians got in the way. They should have just shot him without asking permission. I am sure the public would have taken their side.

    I am sort of a impeach Hussein Obama type myself. However, I would settle for leaving him alone if we could get the HELLthcare bill repealed entirely and banned completely.

    Washington completely ignored 65% of the population. I hope they pay for their treachery in november. It would serve them right if every last one of them lost their jobs forever.

  12. #12 Greg Laden
    July 30, 2010

    I was in fact sentient at the age of 13. Were you not?

    Just because we have very thick files on us does not mean my family were commies. Mostly.

    I know people who were involved in Afghanistan at the time. They said then what everyone seems to believe now: The Bush White House and Pentagon screwed the pooch on that one. There was no way for bin Laden to have escaped. Unless … you just let him go, which they did.

  13. #13 Guardian of the Poll
    July 30, 2010

    I just returned from the infamous Pharyngula “science” website. It made my day. I am laughing my hairy white ass off. I am absolutely thrilled. This is the bset laugh i have had in along time. I could just see the silly little pathetic look on PZ Myer’s face when his minions voted FOR creation being a fact! HAHA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

    PZ and Nerd Of Redhead and all the rest finally got what they deserved. Poll fornicators got fornicated themselves. Their little destruction plot failed. I am so happy. My job as Guardian of the poll is complete.

    Thanks guys for a good laugh. I congradualte Dr. Dino for tricking PZ like that. I have been going around to different sites warning that Pharyngula often does this type of thing. looks like PZ finnaly fell into the trap. maybe that will teach him to stay away from things he doesn’t comprehend – like creationism and polls … and me in general.

    I am … Guardian of the poll. My sword has been weilded. My sheild has been battered (and deep fried), but I have conquered evil and won the battle. Now, what poll can I warn next?

    Sorry PZ and the fornicator gang. You loose.

    There are at least fifty different organizations and websites that knows of your poll fornication and they expect your presence. Have fun fornicating yourself. You’re welcome.

  14. #14 RobsterFCD
    July 30, 2010

    Guano guardian, if you only want conservatives and christian literalists to vote in your poll, say so. Otherwise, it is assumed to be open to everybody.

    You didn’t like the results, so you fixed them to match your expectations, just like you do with your mangling of science such that it supports the beliefs of a bronze age culture. Its just more lies in the service of Jesus that we have come to expect.

  15. #15 John McKay
    July 30, 2010

    GoP, You know, it’s knot a siin to rereid what you atr writing and try to be occasionally geting the grammer ans spellling rite.

  16. #16 JanieBelle
    July 30, 2010

    Bah. It’s just another faithhead, Greg. You’re trying to converse in terms of honesty and integrity with someone who has no frame of reference.

  17. #17 Greg Laden
    July 30, 2010

    John: Thank god. Or whomever.

  18. #18 Michael D. Barton, FCD
    July 31, 2010

    A Tribute to Eric Hovind, like father like son:

  19. #19 NewEnglandBob
    July 31, 2010

    It always amazes me that people like “Guardian of the Poll” gets it all completely wrong after having it explained to him several times. He just doesn’t understand right from wrong or truth from lying. I guess it is the Christian/right wing way: despicable, arrogant, lying immoral cheaters.

  20. #20 LightningRose
    July 31, 2010

    Geez Greg, didn’t your mom ever teach you not to feed the trolls? πŸ˜‰

  21. #21 Dale Husband
    July 31, 2010

    What a moron that GoP is. Typical of his useless kind. Conservatism is the vampire sucking the lifeblood out of American life and yet he lies outright at us by saying baseless things like:

    “You are supposed to be all liberal and stuff. i thought liberals didn’t believe in absolute right and absolute wrong, and abosolute good and absolute evil. I guess we conservatives are starting to rub off on you a little. Used to, liberals thought everything was relative.”

    He needs to stop reading phony Religious Right propaganda. Including the nonsense they write nonsense about health care reform. If he ever needs hospital care……