… acording to the report that will be released by the Defense Department tomorrow.

Except Marines, of course.

the survey found resistance to repealing the ban strongest among the Marines, according to The Washington Post. It’s an attitude apparently shared by their top leader, Commandant Gen. James Amos, who has said that the government should not lift the ban in wartime.

I love the wartime excuse. When was the last time we were not at war? GMAB.

Anyway, read the story here.


  1. #1 Rich Wilson
    November 29, 2010

    When was the last time we were not at war?

    I dunno, but it seems a good place to share my .sig

    No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare
    — James Madison

    (as found in one of Andrew Bacevich’s books)

  2. #2 Johnny Vector
    November 30, 2010

    Huh. When was the last time we were at war? I read somewhere that only congress can declare war. Where was that? Oh yeah, Article I, Section 8. And when was the last time they did that? Oh, I remember, 1941!

    I do grow weary of being told we’re at war, when we’re not.

  3. #3 Wounded war veteran
    November 30, 2010

    Johnny, that is by far the dumbest thing I’ve read all week, your comment.

  4. #4 daedalus2u
    November 30, 2010

    This “debate” really shows the difference in the mindset of conservatives vs liberals. Conservatives hate gays because they are unable to conceive of gays as being fully human. I talk about this at length in my blog post on xenophobia. Conservatives can’t conceive of gays as being human because conservatives are unable to understand gays on their own terms. To have any kind of interaction with anyone, you have to understand them on their own terms. If you can’t understand them, then you are at a tremendous disadvantage in any interaction.

    The one place you don’t want to be at a disadvantage is when you are at war. Conservatives don’t want to fight a war using soldiers they don’t understand. That is why conservatives don’t want to have gay people in the military. The problem is that being unable to understand your opponents is an even worse problem. If you don’t understand your opponent, you have essentially no chance of defeating him. Why is the war on terror taking so long? Much longer than WWII took? Because the “leadership” of the US doesn’t understand the mindset of those it is fighting against.

    I explain this in a lot of detail on my blog on xenophobia.


    Not having gays in the military makes the military weaker because the military then is unable to understand the gay mindset. People in the military who don’t understand the gay mindset want there to be no gay people in the military because the homophobes are unable to understand them. Being unable to understand gay people puts homophobes at a disadvantage in dealing with gay people and that will show up as slower advancement. The homophobes would rather advance faster in a weaker military than advance slower in a stronger military.

    The same is true in congress. The homophobes in congress would rather have a weaker military they understand than a stronger military they do not understand.

    The liberal approach is to learn about everyone and everything, and then use what ever works the best. The conservative approach is to only use the approach the conservative understands, even if that approach won’t work.

  5. #5 sinned34
    November 30, 2010

    …Commandant Gen. James Amos, who has said that the government should not lift the ban in wartime.

    Which makes sense, because during wartime, why would you want to increase the size of the pool from which you can draw soldiers?