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What on Google Earth?*

Category: geohazardsgeologyplanets
Posted on: January 9, 2008 11:37 AM, by Chris Rowan

Jani has been exploring the Sahara Desert using Google Earth, and would like to know if this structure in southeast Algeria is a crater or not (it can be found at 22 48' N 9 29' E):

poss_crater.jpg

Before I give my thoughts, I'd be interested to hear what you good people think. Is it a crater? What evidence are you using to make your judgement?

*with apologies to Brian.

Comments

I say no, not a crater. It looks more like a knot in a plank of wood, the way lines run vertical (relative to the picture through it. A sink hole from an old river? I'm a chemist, what do I know?

Posted by: Propter Doc | January 9, 2008 12:15 PM

Looks like the eye of Sauron to me.

Posted by: Tegumai Bopsulai, FCD | January 9, 2008 12:23 PM

I'll look at the regional context later, but my initial gut-reaction is that it's not a crater. The way the rocks go around the feature, as pointed out by Propter Doc, makes me think it's some sort of dome structure?

What on (Google)Earth could be a new series...instead of finding something, you provide the location, and ask what it is...as you've done here. Go for it.

Posted by: BrianR | January 9, 2008 12:26 PM

Direct link to it on Google earth:

http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=22%C2%B048'50.77''n+9%C2%B029'08.92e&num=10&ie=UTF8&ll=22.815428,9.484634&spn=0.216775,0.32135&t=h&z=12&om=1

Personally I don't think it's an impact crater, but then I'm not a geologist. ;)

Posted by: student_b | January 9, 2008 12:42 PM

Before I say anything (or search for the regional context on Google Earth), would you mind it if I point my Structural Geology class here and ask them to brainstorm possible alternate working hypotheses, and ideas for how they would test them?

Posted by: Kim | January 9, 2008 12:45 PM

The coincidence of the circular form making a bullseye in the outer structure tells me the odds are strongly against this being an impact crater.

Posted by: 6EQUJ5 | January 9, 2008 12:57 PM

Kim - please do. The more the merrier.

Brian - that's an interesting idea...


Posted by: Chris Rowan | January 9, 2008 1:04 PM

Looks like a crater to me. But that's just 'cause "eye of Sauron" looks like a big hole to me!

Posted by: Khalil A. | January 9, 2008 1:16 PM

Could it be a maar?

Posted by: jdinuc | January 9, 2008 1:19 PM

I'm not a geologist either, but I'll stick my neck out and say: highly eroded volcanic feature. The central circle is the lava plug, and surrounding N/S linearity is sedimetary(?) rock that was domed by the emplacement, then eroded to expose the edges of the layers.

There are also some dead obvious old cones just to the NW:
http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=22%C2%B048'50.77''n+9%C2%B029'08.92e&num=10&ie=UTF8&t=h&om=1&ll=24.203758,6.964645&spn=0.214815,0.572662&z=11

Posted by: Eamon Knight | January 9, 2008 1:23 PM

I like the idea of "what on google earth." I'm much more likely to be able to participate in this version than in the zooming-around-the-world-faster-than-Ron-Schott where-version.

My cents are on volcanic. Definitely not impact. But I'm no expert on that continent.

Posted by: ScienceWoman | January 9, 2008 1:46 PM

I'm inclined to say something volcanic. But the color intrigues me. It looks like salt. It could be some kind of dry lake collecting salt, but that doesn't explain the shape, which could still be some kind old volcanic vent.

I look forward to the answer.

Posted by: John McKay | January 9, 2008 1:53 PM

Mylonite!

No, wait, wrong scale. :) I'm with BrianR on this one - it looks more like a salt dome than a volcanic feature to me. There are some nice photos of salt domes elsewhere in the world on this page, and I can convince myself of some similarities.

Posted by: Tuff Cookie | January 9, 2008 2:10 PM

At the risk of sounding like an idiot: A volcanic flow around an older sedimentary structure such as a dome, which then eroded away?

Posted by: decrepitoldfool | January 9, 2008 2:31 PM

An impact crater should just overprint the stratigraphy, instead of displacing it.

Posted by: Lab Lemming | January 9, 2008 2:33 PM

To me that looks like one of the carbonate mud mounds. Middle Devonian?

Posted by: Luna_the_cat | January 9, 2008 2:38 PM

I got the feeling that it wasn't an impact crater, it lookem much more volcanic-like - but I'm a molecular geneticist, what would I know.
By the way, Google earth is So last year. You want to use flashearth, theres much more up to date pictures available.
http://www.flashearth.com/
Try looking at the same location using Microsoft VE or Ask.com ariel options

Posted by: Sigmund | January 9, 2008 2:55 PM

Not a crater - the surrounding material seems to have flowed around the object, so it was there first or at least at the same time, the shape is not consistent with any other crater I've seen, and finally there doesn't appear to be a rim or debris thrown up by an impact.

Looks to me as if there has been some flow around it, so it's a positive feature, or at least was. The three most obvious materials to flow (to me anyway) would be sand, lava or water.

Posted by: PaulG | January 9, 2008 3:01 PM

I think it's a cross section of something fossilized after it crept between the then-soft strata, displacing them as it moved.

Either a sandworm, or Yggdrasil.

Posted by: Hank Roberts | January 9, 2008 3:41 PM

My guess is that it was an dome-shaped outcrop of something that has been mined/excavated.

Posted by: erik | January 9, 2008 3:43 PM

There's documented history of ancient volcanic activity in the region, so I'm signing up with the vulcan committee. I would have no idea what this particular formation would have resulted from in relation to volcanic activity though.

Posted by: Jason I. | January 9, 2008 3:47 PM

Sigmund ... Flashearth is nice, but can you get perspective views? ... plus, at least for me, it doesn't move around as smoothly (but maybe that's my computer, I don't know). How do you add overlays? Can you export .kmz files? I wouldn't discount GoogleEarth just yet.

Posted by: BrianR | January 9, 2008 3:51 PM

Could it be an old volcano?

Posted by: TJ | January 9, 2008 4:22 PM

Without having any idea of the geology of algeria but to me this looks like a dome structure. Here is my theory: a shallow intrusive body is pushing the apparently(?) sedimental rocks upward. This intrusion-caused updoming of sediments is then eroded and the eroded material fills up the now roughly circular central depression covering the view to whats below. What strikes me is that the "layers" move more or less around the circular form and following them N and S they seem like a layer of rock that has been broken open.

Posted by: Mathias | January 9, 2008 4:33 PM

How about a nuclear explosion? I believe France had some blast in Algerian Sahara in the 50s.

DSW

Posted by: Antoni Jaume | January 9, 2008 4:41 PM

BrianR, like I said, I'm a geneticist. I am more interested in satellite imagery sites that allow me to see my house rather than using it for geological purposes. It actually scrolls fine for me but I don't know how to get perspective or overlays and I haven't tried to export the files.

Posted by: Sigmund | January 9, 2008 4:56 PM

The center color looks consistent with salt. If I had to guess I'd say it was a lake. If one had a better idea what the actual topography was it might be easier to make a judgement. (Also note, I'm not a geologist)

Posted by: Joshua Zelinsky | January 9, 2008 5:47 PM

I think it's an area that is/was subject to flash floods during heavy rain events.

Posted by: samk | January 9, 2008 6:14 PM

Looks like a crater to me.

Posted by: GrEy | January 9, 2008 7:12 PM

Um. I do believe that this is a major hydrocarbon reservoir area, which makes volcanism...unlikely.

Posted by: Luna_the_cat | January 9, 2008 8:44 PM

Weird. It reminds me of a s-c fabric. The cool guess is it is some sort of igneous emplacement that acted as a "hard nut" in the regional foliation.
The simpler explanation is that it is the remains of a doubly plunging antiform. This is probably a better explanation, as it looks like this place ends up being low spot/salt pan. If this is an excavated anticline, and the rock exposed in the core is soft(er), it would become a low spot.

Posted by: flounder | January 9, 2008 8:57 PM

At the risk of giving too many clues, this paper gives an overview of the history of the region: http://www.mantleplumes.org/Hoggar.html

And not far away, some more beautiful volcanic cones, with fresh-looking flows overlying more of that N-S linear topography:
http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=22%C2%B048'50.77''n+9%C2%B029'08.92e&num=10&ie=UTF8&t=h&om=1&ll=23.963039,5.931244&spn=0.294907,0.6427&z=11

And a similar feature, quite a bit to the west:
http://maps.google.com/maps/mm?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=22%C2%B048'50.77''n+9%C2%B029'08.92e&num=10&ie=UTF8&t=h&om=1&ll=21.003433,4.761887&spn=0.150641,0.32135&z=12

I'm stickin' to my story ;-).

Posted by: Eamon Knight | January 9, 2008 9:43 PM

Thank you Sigmund for the link. I have to agree with DSW, the markings would indicate a varied layered burn pattern, and the deeper center inset seems to indicate a definite object having impacted. A meteorite would have greatly cooled before impact, and not shown such burn marks, if that is indeed what they are. A nuclear, or powerful bomb is my guess.

Posted by: ShadowMyth | January 9, 2008 10:33 PM

Not a crater. Looks more like a gigantic augen.

Posted by: Andrew | January 10, 2008 12:43 AM

Volcanic plug plus erosion from the prevailing wind is my guess.

Posted by: Monado | January 10, 2008 12:45 AM

I don't think it's a crater. If it were, the stryations around it would be interrupted by the hole, rather than bent neatly around it. Maybe an anticlinal dome that was eroded by the wind.

Posted by: Julian | January 10, 2008 3:42 AM

Ok, I've given my students nearly 24 hours to check this out, and none of them are playing, so I'm going to jump in. :D

I think that Andrew and flounder are on the right track. But some reasoning first:

1) The terrain information isn't available, so I can't look at an oblique view, but the shadows give some sense of topography. The dark features on the right of the image, for instance, cast significant shadows, so I would say that they are pointy features. (I suspect that they are the volcanic features that Eamon Knight found references to.) The "eye of Sauron" (I love it :D), on the other hand, doesn't cast much of a shadow.

2) There's a good example of an ephemeral stream channel on the left side of the image. North of the "eye," you can see dark lines that are probably canyons that feed it. So the area is somewhat raised above the basin floor.

3) The north-south features are regional - if you zoom out, you can see them in other dark areas. So we're looking at bedrock poking out from beneath the sand.

4) The dark, north-south lineaments curve around the "eye." That kind of pattern is typical of gooey stuff squashed around something that's more rigid, as Andrew and flounder implied.

So I think we're looking at structures that formed in the mid crust. I think the "eye" is a pluton (for non-geologists: molten rock that cooled underground), and the dark lines are the pattern of foliation around it. I think the pluton is probably older than the deformation, but that kind of pattern has also been described from syn-deformational plutons. (I would need to go look at the rocks to know for sure. Too bad it's in Algeria. It looks like a spectacular place for a field project. Except for no water, and really hot.)

As for the age... my guess is that it's part of the pan-African orogeny, when a block of rock from west Africa collided with another block that's now in east Africa, ummm, somewhere around 900 to 600 million years ago. (The Hercynian orogeny, which is like the Appalachian orogeny on Chris's side of the Big Pond, affected rocks closer to the coast. Alpine orogeny structures should be oriented closer to east-west, plus I would expect more topography from something that young.)

Posted by: Kim | January 10, 2008 1:23 PM

If the NS lines are rock strata, then it would have to be an intrustion that happened slowly while still buried. I suspect it had to happen very slowly to deform the strata like that, I don't know if a volcanic intrusion could act over a long enough time span, so I would go for salt. Would be easy to test if you could just hop over there.

Posted by: bigTom | January 10, 2008 1:39 PM

I have to agree with most of Kim's detailed analysis. Even in Google Earth there's not enough elevation detail to tell much about the topography. The two shadow-casting features to the east of the "augen" appear to me to be volcanic necks - there are a number of resistant dike-type features in the region, very reminiscent of Shiprock or the Spanish Peaks. One thing that makes me question Kim's pluton assertion for the "augen" is the lack of evidence that this is a similarly resistant (igneous) rock. True, not all plutons hold up well to weathering, particularly in humid environments, but in this desert environment I would expect a pluton to be more resistant. If that observation is correct, I'm more inclined to favor a salt dome type of origin, though I agree that an "augen" origin would clearly imply a more resistant body surrounded by ductile materials - decidedly not the case if this is salt.

Posted by: Ron Schott | January 10, 2008 1:52 PM

This area is very close to Wadi Tafassasset. I believe geologists felt that the rock striations they found in this area had been gouged out by glaciers. I am not sure what caused the 'crater', but I am willing to bet the rock striations around it were caused by ice.

Posted by: jdinuc | January 10, 2008 3:06 PM

Kim's suggestion is definitely the one that sounds most plausible to me.

jdinuc: It would be highly unusual to find striations caused by ice of this magnitude. Reliefs of those are on mm-scale in bedrock.

Posted by: saxifraga | January 10, 2008 3:32 PM

Judging from the comments, it seems that it's not an impact crater, but something different.

It was also fun to see that so many people already took the time to think about this little puzzle. Thank you to all of you, you rock :-) Cheers to Mr. Rowan for hosting the discussion.

For the layman, the neighbourhood around the "Eye of Sauron"/atom bomb hole/sandworm/pluton looks interesting: zoom out a bit, move a bit and then zoom in - plenty of strange stuff.

Posted by: Slinky | January 10, 2008 4:02 PM

saxifraga: Well, I guess that blows a giant hole in my theory! I also note the distinct lack of any objects that appear to be giant boulders lying around the area!

Hope we get an answer soon!

Posted by: jdinuc | January 10, 2008 6:53 PM

I vote for a salt dome. Otherwise an igneous intrusion of some sort - because the host rock has been pushed aside. I was thinking of a kimberlite pipe but I don't think the scale is right and I think the host rock would be more severely fractured.

Posted by: liz | January 10, 2008 9:07 PM

I think it is a crater. Reason: it looks like a crater. LOL! It looks like maybe an impact crater, but it also looks like it could be a volcanic crater. Maybe even more likely volcanic because of the symmetry.
Dave Briggs :~)

Posted by: Dave Briggs | January 11, 2008 10:42 AM

To me, it looks like something flowed (lava/ash?) around a rock formation of some kind. If you follow the "flow", you can see it originating in the north and continuing south of the formation. You can see how the flow was interupted (split?) to the north of the formation (better seen on the arm of the formation to the north) and how the flow oozed along the side and then "remet" at the lee side of the formation. From there, it continues a bit to the south.

So, not a crater, IMHO.

Posted by: Paul | January 11, 2008 10:44 AM

I think the bulk of the stratigraphy is a sedimentary package, with the dark strata either being varying sedimentary packages or sills. Though you would expect at least some crossing of strata with sills and these appear extremely conformable. I don't think these linear features could represent metamorphic banding, especially at this scale.

I believe what we are seeing is a tightly folded and sub-vertical (west-dipping?) sedimentary sequence (though to the east and west the folding is less tight and more chaotic).

The darker beds persist through the two prominent features to the east. If these were volcanic 'plugs' within a much older sub vertical stratigraphy I believe they would not contain these layers. I think these are more likely to represent resistant areas possibly silicified or altered in some way. You can see this layer has other resistive parts to the south too.

As for the main feature, I agree the sedimentary sequence wraps about about it.

Any body intruding this sequence, magma or diapir, should show some north-south elongation and not have a circular cross section.

I agree with Kim in that we are seeing large scale deformation partitioning about a pre to syn-deformational igneous body. The body may have originally been a laccolith-like body that has been captured with in the core of an isoclinal antiform. There appears to be some asymmetry about the core with a possible west-side-north sense of movement.

some more of these would be great :)

Posted by: Clay | January 11, 2008 11:41 AM

maybe Chris will tell us the answer soon :)

Posted by: BrianR | January 11, 2008 12:08 PM

This "puzzle" points out the perils of aerial photo interpretation. Without an opportunity to get on the ground and look at texture, mineralogy, and fabric, we're (usually) throwing darts blindfolded.

Remember Colin Powell's powerpoint presentation at the UN?

Posted by: John Freeland | January 11, 2008 4:22 PM

Yes, John.

Interpretation with this level of detail available is sometimes akin to creative writing.

Plus because of the ambiguity you feel the need to add '... or it could be this because of ... or it could be this ...'. Though at some time you have to 'put your cock on the block' and present your best guess.

Posted by: Clay | January 11, 2008 6:44 PM

Clay:
Understood, it's fun and necessary to brainstorm. Last thing I'd do, however is put my equipment on the block in front of a bunch a folks swinging rock hammers.

Posted by: John Freeland | January 12, 2008 9:55 AM

"This "puzzle" points out the perils of aerial photo interpretation. Without an opportunity to get on the ground and look at texture, mineralogy, and fabric, we're (usually) throwing darts blindfolded."

Kind of like doing geology on Mars. Ideal? Certainly not. But, it is still worth doing. But, your comment also underscores why we need to send more probes and rovers to Mars, Titan, Europa, etc.

Posted by: BrianR | January 12, 2008 1:26 PM

Has anyone suggested a RF Big Garnet yet?

Posted by: Lab Lemming | January 13, 2008 5:36 AM

It does look like a garnet schist or some kind of porphyroblast.

Posted by: John Freeland | January 13, 2008 11:37 AM

When do we get to find out what it really is?

(not that I'm impatient or anything...)

Posted by: Luna_the_cat | January 13, 2008 11:58 AM

BTW, looks like flow direction was south to north - the northern tip is pointed and the southern tip is rounded, giving it a rough teardrop-shape.

Posted by: PaulG | January 14, 2008 12:01 PM

My guess is it's the hole that Chris has disappeared into.

Posted by: JasonE | January 21, 2008 8:50 AM

Is there still time to guess? It is not a crater for a lot of reasons, mainly that it does not look anything like a crater.

I think it is a pan.

Posted by: Greg Laden | January 25, 2008 1:05 PM

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