It seems to me that as long as experts willfully ignore the "system causation factor" of the human population explosion, that is to say, the increasing food supply which is literally fueling the explosion, we will continue to see the promulgation of politically convenient thought and economically expedient policymaking. Science regarding 'why the human population is exploding' will continue to be denied and endless preternatural, ideologically-driven chatter about 'what is happening' will pass for a complete sharing of knowledge. We are in a sad state of affairs.

Just for a moment, let us imagine that now we have all the greatest population experts speaking with one voice. They tell us that we are headed rapidly for 8 billion people on the surface of Earth, declining TFRs in many western European countries notwithstanding. When that number is reached in the foreseeable future, we will have too much food, too little water and clean air, and no decent environment to speak of. Pollution will be visible to all, everywhere. In the meantime many species of birds and wildlife will go extinct because of the destruction of their habitat from land clearance to grow more food to support an exploding human population. What is happening is made evident. Why this situation is occurring with a vengeance of our watch is avoided at all cost. All this is good, they say.

All these top rank population experts, inside and outside the scientific community, then go on to say that in order to have more and more happy people we need more and more people who can be counted upon to increase the depletion and degradation that will rapidly subtract from the source of that happiness, our planetary home, until such time as Earth is no longer able to function as a source of happiness. More importantly, because we self-proclaimed experts are 'free to know' and then speak of what is determined by the powers that be to be best for the rest of us to know, some scientific research can be and will be denied. While these experts do not lie, they deliberately refuse to give voice to the whole of what is true to them, according to the lights and knowledge they possess. By their conscious silence, these experts will ensure that the unsustainable growth of the human species, the reckless depletion of resources and the irreversible degradation of ecology of the planet happens as soon and efficiently as possible. All this is good, they say, because we are making things better.

Given that killing off an American will make 20x as much difference as killing off an African, you can see how the idea that the population being an "elephant in the room" is laughingly bad when used to put the blame squarely on the developing world.

Because make no mistake: that's the ONLY reason it's EVERY brought up.

If reducing population is going to be the solution, then a cleansing of the North American continent is going to be 20x more efficient than any other attempt to use this to solve the issue.

We'll said gentlemen.
And, of course carbon is at the root of these issues.

It's obvious these carbon schemes, emission reduction pledges and tax discussions are going nowhere beyond enriching those dreaming them up or serving as political fodder. And will likely be stalled once the cash flow is established, because, of course, really eliminating the problem shuts off the cash.

Yes, it's time for affirmative action towards the solution.
Reduce the global carbon addition at the sources.

A simple government directed military action to shut off the sources of carbon, one by one or ten by ten over a predetermined number of years will accomplish what is necessary. Of course, some governments will resist, but the US is more than capable of meeting that challenge.
And as wow notes, cutting carbon will affect the North American population 20x more than developing nations.

Anything short of this is simply not going to be successful.

So just like capitalism, then, Pauline?

That merely goes to enriching those with money already.

I didn't know you were anti-capitalist.

Capitalism prevents the solution.

So you confirm you're anti-capitalism, Pauline?

"And as wow notes, cutting carbon will affect the North American population 20x more than developing nations."

Weird.

Nope. Not at all.

Merkins use 20x as much as Africans. Nothing says they have to use that much. Just that they do.

#6, agreed, capitalism exploits the working class to accumulate wealth for the capitalist class. This cycle must be broken to reduce carbon accumulation in the atmosphere.

#7, ok

Coby

I think someone is sock-puppeting Paul - its obviously not him.