Respectful Insolence

The other day, I posted about the reaction in the white power ranger blogosphere to Mel Gibson’s little anti-Semitic tirade. Apparently a blogger by the name of Occidentalist took umbrage in the comments at my having pointed out that the rantings about “the synagogue of Satan” contained on an anti-Semitic blog were, in fact, anti-Semitic and downright un-Christian:

Ya know the Talmud says Jesus Christ is boiling in hot excrement for all eternity, right?


Besides being irrelevant, that statement has nothing to do with the contents of my post. (I don’t recall mentioning the Talmud, Jesus, or the attitude of Jews or the Jewish religion about Jesus.) Thankfully, Sergey Romanov takes this anti-Semite to school, so that I don’t have to:

According to one version, yes. So what? Followers of Judaism are not Christians. Why should they respect Jesus? Do Christians respect Muhammad, or do they think that he is burning in fire for all eternity? So there.

This is one of the dumbest “arguments” ever.

Somehow, I tend doubt that Occidentalist shows the same respect towards the Jewish, Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, or other religions that he seems to expect that Jews show Christianity. (It’s possible that he’ll show me wrong, but I doubt it, given the vitriol he aims at the Jews on his own blog.) Surely he is aware that, according to some fundamentalist sects, the Jews are all going straight to hell unless they accept Jesus as their Messiah and personal Savior. Does that bother him as much as one version of the Talmud claiming that Jesus is in hell? If not, why not?

But the fun doesn’t end there. After a little allusion to civilian casualties in the fighting in Lebanon, Occidentalist goes on:

TW, Little Geneva is an EXCELLENT website, a must read for any thinking person.

And the black helicopters are very, very real.

I’ll give him credit for a little attempt at humor at the end (although I’m not entirely sure he wasn’t serious about the reality of the black helicopters), but Little Geneva is an “excellent “website?

Only if you’re a hard core racist and anti-Semite, in which case I would hardly describe you as a “thinking” person. Don’t believe me? Peruse the site. What I cited was but one rather mild example of the content there. You can start with A Trek Into the Heart of Whiteness and Caucasian Self-Hatred to get an idea of what I’m talking about.

Comments

  1. #1 Sergey Romanov
    August 8, 2006

    To clarify my comment about “one version”: my electronic edition of the Soncino Talmud says in Gittin 57a:

    “He then went and raised by incantations the sinners of Israel.3 He asked them: Who is in repute in the other world? They replied: Israel. What about joining them? They replied: Seek their welfare, seek not their harm. Whoever touches them touches the apple of his eye. He said: What is your punishment? They replied: With boiling hot excrement, since a Master has said: Whoever mocks at the words of the Sages is punished with boiling hot excrement.”

    Footnote 3 states:

    “(3) [MS.M. Jesus].”, where “MS.M.” is Munich Codex of the Talmud.

    According to http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=32&letter=T :

    “… the Babylonian Talmud is found entire only in a Munich codex …”

  2. #2 Alison
    August 9, 2006

    I think I need to wash my eyes now. I actually read those Little Geneva links, and I will be paying for it for days.

    The only amusing thing is watching all the commentors spout back exactly what the author has said and seeing him respond about how thought-provoking the comments are.

    The thoughts it provokes in me are “is there any way we can give these guys vasectomies in their sleep?” and “I think I need to go get sick now.”

  3. #3 chels
    August 10, 2006

    I agree wholeheartedly with Alison. I couldn’t even finish reading it…made me too mad. not only their bigotous comments but claiming to base such opinions on the Bible, and the opinions of God himself. That’s not the God I know

  4. #4 ben tillman
    August 13, 2006

    According to one version, yes. So what? Followers of Judaism are not Christians. Why should they respect Jesus? Do Christians respect Muhammad, or do they think that he is burning in fire for all eternity? So there.

    This is one of the dumbest “arguments” ever.

    Indeed it is. The argument is not that Jews should respect Jesus; it is that the Jews are hostile to Christ, Christians, and Christianity, and it is perfectly rational for us to acknowledge that fact and act accoridngly.

  5. #5 Orac
    August 13, 2006

    The argument is not that Jews should respect Jesus; it is that the Jews are hostile to Christ, Christians, and Christianity, and it is perfectly rational for us to acknowledge that fact and act accoridngly.

    Oh, and what, pray tell, do you mean by “act accordingly”?

    As for Jews being “hostile” to Christians, history tells us that it is Christians who have done a lot more violence to Jews than the other way around.

  6. #6 Roman Werpachowski
    August 13, 2006

    Oh, and what, pray tell, do you mean by “act accordingly”?

    Don’t pretend you don’t know. I mean, kill the bastards – in the name of JC!

  7. #7 Kiwiwriter
    August 14, 2006

    So my questions to Ben Tillman are:

    1. By that logic, does that mean the cold-blooded slaughter of millions of Jews via the Spanish Inquisition, pogroms, and the Holocaust is legal and justified?

    2. Can I use that defense if I have to whack someone…just say the victim rejected Christ, so I had to kill him?

    3. What planet do you come from?

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