Those of you who've been around this blog for a long time probably remember Dr. Lorraine Day. In fact, I mentioned her in one of the very first substantive posts that I ever did regarding why breast cancer testimonials for alternative medicines are inherently misleading, presenting her as an example of a once respected academic orthopedic surgeon who had fallen deeply into woo. I had also been aware of her association with infamous Holocaust denier Ernst Zündel, but I had mainly thought that this was more because of Zündel's love of woo (he claimed that he had cancer and had called Dr. Day in to provide him with all sorts of "alternative" treatments for this), rather than her sympathy for his right-wing, anti-Semitic, Holocaust denying beliefs.
Boy was I wrong, as fellow traveler in the fight against Holocaust denial Andrew Mathis has revealed to me in his detailed debunking of an interview that Dr. Day gave on a conspiracy-mongering website. I listened to this interview, and it shocked even me. To get a hint of what's in the interview, check out the introduction:
Dr. Lorraine Day discusses the control over the medical industry by a small group of Jews and Goyim who consider us pawns in their game of world conquest. However, the Jews who follow the Talmud are actually using their Goyim "friends" also.
As Andrew puts it:
How do you use a keyboard while wearing a straightjacket?
But it's even worse than that even that, as I found out when I foolishly tried to listen to the interview. My ears are still burning, and I'm sure I lost thousands of neurons from it. What I do in the name of skepticism and critical thinking!
After having heard part of the interview, I just had to check out Dr. Day's other website, and, not surprisingly, I found signs of a deeply disturbed individual who is also deeply into woo, both medical and historical. I probably shouldn't call the historical misinformation "woo," though. In comparison to what Dr. Day lays down, "woo" seems like a happy word, used to describe harmless flights from reason. Dr. Day's New World Order conspiracy-mongering and anti-Semitism are anything but harmless. Some excerpts:
Anti-Semitism: Here is the definition of Anti-Semitism from the lips of a Jew: "Anti-Semitism does NOT signify opposition to Semitism. THERE IS NO SUCH THING. It is an expression we use effectively as a SMEARWORD, used to brand anyone who brings criticism against us." Harold W. Rosenthal (Jewish), administrative assistant for then-U.S. Senator Jacob K. Javits (Jewish) of New York, in an interview with American Christian magazine editor, Walter White.
"A man is considered an anti-Semite if he calls a Jew a Jew." Hillaire Belloc, quoted in Culture Wars (Sept 2000).
"My unpardonable crime," said Boris Lunachev, a former leader of the Communist Youth in Russia, "was to call a Jew a Jew."
Eighty to ninety percent of all the "Jews" in the world have NO Semitic ancestry, they are Khazars - - of "Gentile" origin, barbarian Mongol Turks, from the area of Khazaria (now the Caucasus portion of Western Russia), people who, in about 740 A.D., accepted the religion and/or culture of Judaism. Very few, if any, "Jews" in the world today, have any Semitic blood (Semite, from the word Shemite. Shem was one of the sons of Noah). See The Thirteenth Tribe, by Jewish author, Arthur Koestler.
This term, anti-Semitism, is often incorrectly used by "Jews" to smear and discredit non-Jews who are looking for truth in history.
If one tells the truth about the Jews, such as "The Jews own Hollywood" (something they admit to each other), or "The Jews own the media" (something they brag about among themselves), one is considered an "anti-Semite."
This is a clever subterfuge to eliminate any criticism of any Jew for any thing. If any Jews happen to be involved in any under-handed or even illegal activities, and someone exposes that activity, that person is branded an "anti-Semite."
And:
Holocaust: A term that for years was defined as any devastating event. It was specifically used to describe World Wars I and II, in general.
More recently this term has been "hi-jacked" by the Jews who use it, incorrectly, to describe the purported treatment of the Jews at the hands of the Germans during World War II. Actually, it better describes the Post-World War II treatment of the German citizens by the Allies (the U.S., U.K and USSR), who were taking their orders from International Jewry, including then-U.S. President Dwight Eisenhower, a Swedish Jew, according to his West Point graduation yearbook.
Very few people realize that the Zionist Jewish version of the "Holocaust", what the revisionists refer to as the Holocaust Hoax, is the CENTERPIECE of the Zionist Jews' Plan to destroy all nations, control the entire world, slaughter most of the population of the earth, and reduce the rest to slaves. Without the belief in the Zionist Jewish version of the "Holocaust" by the average Jews, and everyone else as well, NONE of these things could occur! Their plans would be foiled!
For decades, America has been pummeled non-stop with "Holocaust" propaganda. On almost every corner, in every city in America, a "Holocaust" museum is rising, paid for by U.S. taxpayers. Propaganda about the "Holocaust" is filling the school textbooks and indoctrinating the minds of our children.
What is the reason behind this incessant indoctrination?
It is absolutely essential that all Jews, in particular, and everyone else, in general, believe the Zionist Jews' version of the "Holocaust", for the following reasons.
1. The rank and file Jews must be made to believe that non-Jews want them dead, and that millions of Jews were killed because Hitler, apparently for NO REASON except blatant bigotry, ordered their death.
2. The rank and file Jews must be terrified into believing that this "same thing" will happen again - - if any one says any thing bad (even if it's true) about any Jew. That is why the Hate Crimes legislation is taking place in America. That is why the Zionist Jews are kidnapping and illegally imprisoning anyone who questions the Zionist Jews' version of the "Holocaust", including Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolph, David Irving, Siegfried Verbeke, and others. They have committed no "crime" other than to question history!
3. The forensic evidence regarding the "Holocaust", hard facts painstakingly collected by the Holocaust Revisionists, will stand up in any impartial court of law completely refuting the supposed "eye witness" accounts of survivors, and the Zionist Jews know that! These "eyewitness" survivors, when placed under oath in a Court of Law, have withered on the stand under cross-examination, admitting they lied, including one of the top Jewish supporters of the Holocaust, Raul Hilberg.
Instead of countering this forensic evidence that refutes the Zionist Jewish version of the "Holocaust" with hard evidence supporting their views, the Zionist Jews respond with insults, smears, more arrests, assassinations, non-stop propaganda campaigns, and rapidly multiplying "Holocaust" museums. Never once do they sit down with the Revisionists to discuss the issues!
All of these are denier canards, and not even very good ones. They're all debunked at The Holocaust History Project, Holocaust Controversies, and Nizkor. If I were in the mood, I could tear all of them apart without even breaking a sweat, intellectually speaking.
Besides her claims that Jews control research funding by the NIH and that the head of the NIH has almost always been a Jew, she takes the case of a Jewish colleague of hers who always managed to obtain NIH funding. She asked him how he did it, and he told her that he went to the NIH every year and asked them what sort of broad areas of research the NIH considered a priority for the next year and then tailored his research to NIH priorities. Actually, as long as you're interested in those areas of research, too, this is a very smart strategy. Not to Dr. Day, who views it as evidence that the "Jew-controlled" NIH dictates the kind of research that will be done and that the medical profession all must buckle under. (Oh, and they were also behind Salk's research, which is as part of "population extermination.") Never mind the fact that American scientists are trying very hard to bypass the ban on federal funding of embryonic stem cell research (that's the NIH in particular, Dr. Day) by looking for alternate sources of funding. The ban may have slowed down stem cell research, but it has by no means prevented it.
Perhaps Dr. Day's most bizarre claim dates back to the 1980's. During the early part of the AIDS epidemic, according to Dr. Day, attending physicians didn't draw blood or have much physical contact with AIDS patients. Instead, the interns and residents did. This may well have been very true, but ask yourself: How often do attending surgeons draw the blood of any patient? Not very. In fact, I can't remember the last time I drew blood; it was probably at least three or four years ago. In any case, she says that she was "floating around in AIDS blood all the time" (not surprising, given that she made her name by claiming, on the basis of poor evidence, that aerosolized blood was an enormous risk and could transmit HIV easily, conveniently ignoring the fact that the only way any health care workers every contracted HIV was from needlesticks or accidents with sharp objects that resulted in blood-to-blood contact. While ranting about this story, Dr. Day accused Dr. Julie Gerberding, who was at San Francisco General Hospital then and is head of the CDC now, of lying to the public about AIDS and then claimed that Dr. Gerberding was "rewarded" for this lying by being appointed head of the CDC. She then stated that AIDS is a man-made virus made at Fort Detrick and claimed that homosexuality would be promoted as a lifestyle that would "destroy family cohesion," "introduce degeneracy," and "spread disease," implying that it was part of the same Jewish plot. She then linked this to Hitler, stating that Hitler wanted the Jews out of Germany because they were promoting the "same kind of degeneracy," while she spewed the usual denier lie that Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews but only kick them out of the Reich (something that may have been largely true in 1934 but most definitely was not true in 1944, when the Holocaust was under full steam).
Great. Not only is Dr. Day a woo-meister, but she's a homophobe, a religious loon, an anti-Semite, a racist, and a Holocaust denier. After about 15 minutes, I couldn't stand listening anymore, but I encourage you to listen to as much as you can stomach. It's rare to see such an amazing degree of utter wingnuttery on display, and I admire Andrew for listening to it all and debunking the stuff he is knowledgeable about.
Dr. Lorraine Day is exhibit one in the case that a lack of critical thinking skills in one area is frequently associated with a lack of critical thinking skills in other areas. In her case, even while she was the Chief of Orthopedic Surgery at San Francisco General Hospital in the 1980's, her lack of critical thinking became apparent in her hysterical warnings about aerosolized blood as a huge danger for AIDS. This could be somewhat understandable, given her profession, location, and the time period in which she developed these views, but even then it was known that aerosolized blood wasn't much of a threat to health care personnel and is pretty easy to protect against with simple barrier methods. However, after developing breast cancer, something happened, and Dr. Day apparently lost her remaining critical thinking abilities, leading to her selling various altie treatments, claiming that there is a conspiracy to hide these "cures" (predating Kevin Trudeau by at least a decade), and, now, apparently, delving deeply into Holocaust denial.
Woo breeds woo, and, all too often, conspiracy-mongering of the worst sort as well. Much of the time, the additional woo that is bred is not as vile and harmful as Holocaust denial (more like UFOs or New Age woo), but it's not infrequent that susceptibility to seemingly benign woo is an indicator of susceptibility to more malignant forms of pseudoscience, crankery, or pseudohistory. After reading Dr. Day's sites, I almost wish that she had simply decided that creationism is correct; it would have been less disgusting than what she does believe. (My guess: Give her time; she'll start spewing creationism as well.) From my perspective, though, it's very sad indeed to see a once talented academic surgeon sink to these depths.
Whenever aomeone trots out the "Jews are Khazars" canard, you know that they're getting their worldview from neo-Nazi Web sites.
It's diagnostic in much the same way that a bloody bone end protruding from the flesh is diagnostic of a compound fracture.
Lack of critical thinking implies that there is at least some thinking in the head of this life form. As long as the presence of a kind of brain has not been proven I assume that this brable is just some rethoric reflex of a dorsal root ganglion.
Ugh woo always comes in packages. You never meet a otherwise perfectly normal individual who is an HIV Denier. Theyre always an HIV Denier, a Creationist, and into homeopathy and quantum healing. You never meet someone who is just a Creationist. Theyre always a Creationist, a Holocaust Denier, and an anti-vaxer.
Is she still an HIV Denier, or was that just an 80s OMG-What-Is-This HIV freak out thing? Freaking out about HIV in the 80s is understandable.
How can AIDS be part of a plot to promote the homosexual lifestyle?
I'd love to know how these people keep their heads from imploding....
Ugh woo always comes in packages. You never meet a otherwise perfectly normal individual who is an HIV Denier. Theyre always an HIV Denier, a Creationist, and into homeopathy and quantum healing. You never meet someone who is just a Creationist. Theyre always a Creationist, a Holocaust Denier, and an anti-vaxer.
Yes. That's why when I see an anti-vaxer, one of the things I always question is their overall worldview. It usually doesn't take long for the anti-government conspiracy theories and religious dogma to come.
I think she meant that the homosexual lifestyle spreads "degeneracy and disease" (like AIDS), but you do have a point. If, as she said, HIV was a "man-made virus," then how on earth would it promote the "rampant promiscuity" and "breakdown of the family" that she was ranting about with regard to homosexuals?
i second the khazars-canard as a diagnostic criterion, for racism in particular. after all, unless the spouter has some fairly deeply held racist assumptions, why should they even care if jews were khazars? much less assume that the rest of us give a hoot?
This lady needs to take a history course... or learn to sit quietly. The ruling elite of the Khazars was Jewish (according to legend, Yaroslav I sent emmissaries to the Khazars to learn about Judaism while he was searching for a new faith for ancient Rus), but they were largely destroyed by Rus and the Pechenegs. By the time the Mongols invaded, the Khazars had already been dispersed. It is a bit old and really long, but S. M. Dubnow wrote a multivolume work detailing the history of Eastern European Jewry. It was written in 1916 so the scholarship isn't the most up to date, but it is still very informative.
In her case, even while she was the Chief of Orthopedic Surgery at San Francisco General Hospital in the 1980's, her lack of critical thinking became apparent in her hysterical warnings about aerosolized blood as a huge danger for AIDS. This could be somewhat understandable, given her profession, location, and the time period in which she developed these views, but even then it was known that aerosolized blood wasn't much of a threat to health care personnel and is pretty easy to protect against with simple barrier methods.
IIRC I saw her on The 700 Club in the '80s talking about aerosolized blood; with Pat R nodding his head and expressing concern.
Careful Orac.
According to her "consequences for critics", she might use the Power of Prayer against you...
drdork:
"Careful Orac.
According to her 'consequences for critics', she might use the Power of Prayer against you..."
Yeah, she might show up at your door and cry out "The power of Christ compells you! ... to retract that remark"
This really is scary. And a good time to thank you for posting all of the links about this that you have. One of my closest friends, has started buying into this bullshit. He watched some video he found on google video, then went on a tare about the zionist. Apparently the video "opened his eyes, to what's really goind on." He also started to talk about holocaust denial and his own growing skepticism.
It has really freaked me out to be honest. He is not an idiot by any stretch, in many respects, he is very intelligent. I am not sure how to deal with it. I have a profound aversion to bigotry of any sort. I have yet to discuss this, or really much of anything with him, since his pronouncement about it, a few weeks ago. It rather needs to be addressed, because it is a serious wedge in our friendship. I fear that he won't listen to reason, "evidence" based bigotry, is by far the hardest to counter.
Hopefully, the wealth of information you have linked here, will do the trick. We have been friends for years, as well as former band mates. He is the only friend I have in Oregon, that was also my friend back in Michigan. But I cannot share the depth of friendship, that he and I have, with a bigot. Also, our kids are close friends, which makes it harder. Thanks again, Orac.
That'd be really cool if she did. In fact, it'd make my day. Hell, it'd be one of the high points since I started blogging.
Alas, I doubt she'll make an appearance.
Whenever aomeone trots out the "Jews are Khazars" canard, you know that they're getting their worldview from neo-Nazi Web sites.
Not necessarily. They may have gotten it directly from Koestler's book. I knew a few historical dilettantes that did so, none of whom had the slightest interest in revisionists and Nazis (one guy later converted to Judaism, in fact). While Koestler's now disproven hypothesis (which is not itself anit-semitic or neo-Nazi)has been glommed onto by that crowd, it does not follow that everyone that still believes it is part of that crowd.
Thanks, Graculus- interesting insight.
If you add "in the context of disparaging or defaming Jews" to my previous statement, I think you then have a valid set of diagnostic criteria. That being the context in which I've seen the Khazar claims repeatedly made on the 'net. They seem to feed right into the racist obsession with "bloodlines".
Dwight Eisenhower a "Swedish Jew"? I'd like to hear the explanation for that claim, since Eisenhower was descended in a direct male line from Hans Nicol Eisenhauer, a German Mennonite who settled in Lancaster County, PA in 1741. And there's no matriarchal Jewish line either; the rest of his family consisted of Swiss Mennonites and German Pietists, and his parents were both members of a pietist sect called the River Brethren. To the best of my knowledge, there wasn't a Jew or a Swede anywhere in Ike's lineage. If it actual says he was a "Swedish Jew" in his West Point yearbook--which I strongly doubt in the first place--the editor slipped up.
If you add "in the context of disparaging or defaming Jews" to my previous statement, I think you then have a valid set of diagnostic criteria.
Oh, certainly.
That being the context in which I've seen the Khazar claims repeatedly made on the 'net. They seem to feed right into the racist obsession with "bloodlines".
Until this post I had not realized that it had become part of the anti-semitic canon, I was only familiar with it theough said friends ... so I learned something, too.
I didn't know the history when this was sprung on me the first time. (I still don't.) The stupidity came through loud and clear anyway. (The twit was insisting that Jews did not have Abraham among their forbearers. Or something like that anyway—I'm not sure he knew what he was trying to say.)
It may be that my vision was clouded by chronic fatigue and horniness during my training, but Lorraine Day was a senior ortho resident when I was an intern -- and later married Larry Way -- then chief of surgery at the VA and still a highly respected surgeon -- becoming Lorraine Day Way. The thing is she was absolutely beautiful, and we all lusted after her. There was no hint of her future craziness -- or if there was, we all missed at as the blood flow was redirected when we saw her. Larry was sort of a geek, and we couldn't figure what she saw in him. She continued to work through her entire pregnancy, doing a big case the day before she delivered. That they eventually divorced is now easily explained. I'd heard not much about her subsequently until the AIDS thing, and was stunned when someone told me about her shocking breast cancer site. I'd had no clue at the time. Even now, your revelations about her other insanity took me by surprise. Still blinded by (former) beauty, I guess.
Something about her getting breast cancer seems to have pushed Dr. Day over the edge.
Her fearmongering about aerosolized HIV in the 1980's, although a bit over-the-top, was not entirely without a grain of a reasonable fear at the core of all her hysteria, given how little was known about AIDS back in the early 1980's and that she was an orthopedic trauma surgeon at the West Coast ground zero for the AIDS epidemic. (It wasn't yet known how difficult it is to transmit HIV via blood.) Even so, as a surgeon she should have known that careful use of barrier techniques is quite effective at protecting from blood-borne contaminants, as had been done for diseases like hepatitis B for decades before.
Dr. Day apparently didn't fall totally into woo until her bout with breast cancer, when she somehow convinced herself that she had cured herself with her concoctions and the power of prayer. Something happened then. Since then, it's been all downhill. Not only is she selling altie wares, but she's become a Holocaust denier who hangs out with the likes of Ernst Zündel. I must confess, although I was aware of her shilling for Barley Green and various other altie wares and her claims that there is a conspiracy out there to keep real "cures" from the people, before Andrew pointed it out to me even I had been unaware that she had become a full-blown Holocaust denier spewing anti-Semitism and bizarre conspiracy theories.
As I said before, it's truly sad to see someone like Dr. Day, who had previously been a talented and respected academic surgeon and leader, fall so far.
A friend of mine was diagnosed as bi-polar sometime in his 30's. He is now a creationist and anti-vaxer. He considers medical doctors to be pagans since they swear an oath to a "pagan god", and will not take medication. He lost a good job as a project manager for software development, was divorced, and now lives on a small disability pension. He is still a nice guy, and seems rational at least 70% of the time.
The mathematician John Nash, described in the book "A Beautiful Mind" also became delusional after having bright prospects early in his career. Perhaps something like this has happened to Dr. Day.
It's pretty much a fact (much more than a hypothesis) that the rulers and some proportion of the population of the Khazar Kingdom converted to Judaism in the 8th-10th centuries. Presumably at least some of their descendants are Jewish today.
But, umm, so what?
Viva Ernst Zundel!
It's The Jews Stupid!
http://pcapostate.blogspot.com/2006/06/its-jews-stupid.html
It's The Jews Stupid!
http://pcapostate.blogspot.com/2006/06/its-jews-stupid.html
Oh, goody. Looks like another Holocaust denier has shown up to reveal his anti-Semitism and lack of coherent arguments to all.
Which is it, by the way, Curt or Chris?
I waded through Chris's...uh...essay.
It's called "editing," Chris. Look into the concept.
I waded through Chris's...uh...essay.
It's called "editing," Chris. Look into the concept.
Having studied alternative health extensively and realizing that the Medical Mafia (as they are rightly called) control the industry for their profits, and Dr. Day promotes healthy diet and herbs, then one needs to choose sides. Do you trust the Medical industry, which is the #1 leading cause of death in the world, or someone like Dr. Day who actually cured herself of cancer?
Since we are not even able to have an open discussion of historical events, then one must assume that people like Ernst Zundel are onto something. I always say, let the people speak and prove their point. If they are right, let them prove it. If they are wrong, let them be the fool. If we don't even allow speech that we disagree with, then maybe that's because it might be true, and we just can't allow the speech? I don't know what he has to say because he's in jail for just trying to say words. We have criminals in office who deserve the death penalty for war crimes, but we can lock up people for questioning history, or we call Dr. Day a quack for talking about healthy foods and herbs?
Hmm....
Point one: It is not clear that Dr. Day ever "cured herself of breast cancer" at all, as I pointed out and is documented here and here. She has refused to release the pathology report from any but her first operation. If she had a clear surgical margin, then surgery cured her.
Point two: Dr. Day is doing more than "talking about healthy foods and herbs." She is claiming, without evidence, that these healthy foods and herbs can cure cancer.
Point three: I was not saying that Dr. Day's Holocaust denial, conspiracy mongering, and racism should be "suppressed." I was merely pointing out what a load of crap it is, particularly her vile Holocaust denial. In essence, she is speaking and "being the fool" as you put it.
Clearly, you are just as clueless as Dr. Day.