Now on ScienceBlogs: Charles Darwin February 12, 1809 - April 19, 1882

ScienceBlogs Book Club: Inside the Outbreaks

Respectful Insolence

"A statement of fact cannot be insolent." The miscellaneous ramblings of a surgeon/scientist on medicine, quackery, science, pseudoscience, history, and pseudohistory (and anything else that interests him)

Who (or what) is Orac?

orac.jpg Orac is the nom de blog of a (not so) humble pseudonymous surgeon/scientist with an ego just big enough to delude himself that someone, somewhere might actually give a rodent's posterior about his miscellaneous verbal meanderings, but just barely small enough to admit to himself that few will. (Continued here, along with a DISCLAIMER that you should read before reading any medical discussions here.)

Orac's old Blog is archived at Archived Insolence.



Add to Technorati Favorites

Search

Recent Posts

Recent Comments

Submit to Skeptical Blog Anthology 2009
award_lr.gif
Winner, Best Health Policies/Ethics Weblog of 2008


The 2008 Weblog Awards

skepchick2008top10.jpg


evolution.gif

Archives

Non-Orac Insolence

Wikio - Top Blogs - Sciences
finalist2007_150x100.jpg
medicalhealth150.jpg
2005 Weblog Award

« The Academic Woo Aggregator | Main | Prince George's County Courthouse protest about vaccine scofflaws: More there than meets the eye? »

Taking care of loose ends on homeopathy on a Sunday afternoon

Category: Alternative medicineMedicineQuackery
Posted on: November 18, 2007 2:23 PM, by Orac

So busy was I last week blogging about other things, somehow I missed an amazingly, jaw-droppingly idiotic defense of homeopathy Jeanette Winterson published in The Guardian earlier this week. As you might imagine, it was just begging for a heapin' helpin' of not-so-Respectful Insolence™. I mean, it was the dumbest article I've seen in a very long time. Unfortunately, other topics kept me from finding my way to it in a timely fashion. Fortunately, two excellent skeptical bloggers have torn the article to shreds, so much so that there is nothing left but a smear on the sidewalk where once stupidity stood proudly. So, be sure to check out:

  1. In Defense of Homeopathy (denialism blog)
  2. Sloppy Thinking about Homeopathy from The Guardian (NeuroLogica Blog)

Meanwhile, Ben Goldacre demolishes the very concept of homeopathy.

There, now I can rest for a while, the better to charge up my batteries for another week of blogging.

Share on Facebook
Share on StumbleUpon
Share on Facebook
Find more posts in: Medicine & Health

Comments

1

That article must have been a joke. I write daily about serious attempts to attack the principles of evidence-based treatments, but that article was such pathetic blathering it must have been a spoof - surely no-one can be so ignorant?

Posted by: RNB | November 18, 2007 4:52 PM

2

Jaw-dropping is the right word. If she's donating the proceeds of that article to Maun homeopathy project, remind me never to pay for one of her books.

Posted by: cerebralmum | November 18, 2007 5:03 PM

3

Orac, have you heard that a judge in Prince George's County, Maryland, threatened parents with fines and jail time if they didn't get their kids immunized?

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/11/17/maryland.vaccines/index.html

They either had to provide documentation or they could get the shots on the spot. Thoughts?

Posted by: raindogzilla | November 18, 2007 8:04 PM

4

Okay, we all know that homeopaths invoke the "memory of water" gambit to explain how hyperdiluted substances can have any effect. This is obvious garbage, but at least they have a response to that criticism.

But...

If "like cures like," why is it that the water molecules already in my body, that have of course been exposed to whatever is making me sick, do not retain sufficient memory of it to cure me?

Or for that matter, any water that I may choose to drink, given the dilutions possible?

Surely others have made this challenge to homeopathy. How do they respond?

Posted by: madder | November 18, 2007 10:05 PM

5

There's better news from down under (via Ben Goldacre's del.icio.us feed).

Ben has also been recognised by some even more famous than Orac.

Posted by: Bob O'H | November 19, 2007 1:28 AM

6

I think I have an answer to madder's question. Mind you, I am not an expert in homeopathy [speaker pauses, unable to suppress a tragic sigh], but I seem to have noticed something significant.

You see, it's not enough to dilute the substance 93.568 zillion times more than necessary to eliminate every atom of it. Apparently, during the dilution, at each serial step, you must shake the vessel or knock it against the table or the like. This is called something-cussion, not per- or con-, but something else, which I won't deign to look up. But I think it's suck-. I am not making that up. But for brevity it's spelled without the K: succussion.

(OK, I did look it up. Did you know that if you carry a homeo medicine too far on horseback, it may become too potent from all the shaking?)

So sure, any water contains homeopathic amounts of everything, which is to say none, BUT -- the universe forgot the succussion step, so it's not a remedy.

Further: Suppose now, just hypothetically, a homeopathic preparation should fail to work. In order for the preparation to be effective, you have to have succussed it properly. Is anyone here so cynical as to suppose how the failure might be explained, thereby deleting it as a falsification of the homeopathic idea? Don't all speak at once, please.

Posted by: Porlock Junior | November 19, 2007 2:46 AM

7

Thanks, Porlock Junior. I had heard of the suck-cussion thing, but in a fit of unreasonable generosity had supposed that the homeopaths must have something beyond their magic shaking. That'll teach me.

Someone wiser than I once used the term breathtaking inanity. I'll have to ponder on the depths to which that refers. Perhaps I should have a spotter on hand to ensure that my breath isn't taken permanently.

Posted by: madder | November 19, 2007 10:59 AM

8
I had heard of the suck-cussion thing, but in a fit of unreasonable generosity had supposed that the homeopaths must have something beyond their magic shaking.

Oh, but they do. I've read homeopathic literature which explained that successions were needed in order to do something like "impart the power of intention" to the water as it is diluted.

Surprise, surprise. It seems that the hidden mechanism involved in how water knows what to remember involves invisible Mind Forces. If you learn the secret techniques, your thoughts have the ability to change reality! Really!

It's all about consciousness, dude.

Posted by: Sastra | November 19, 2007 6:26 PM

9

Ben Goldacre is ignorant and bigoted. Apparently. You are going to love this baby, Orac:

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/denis_maceoin/2007/11/your_ignorance_is_showing.html

Posted by: sharon | November 22, 2007 5:48 AM

10

Ooh, boy. It's a real case of TSIB ("the stupid, it burns").

Posted by: Orac | November 22, 2007 10:16 AM

11

Before I go make pie, I should point out this thread at Badscience:
http://badscience.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=60817#60817

While Ben Goldacre, despite looking like he is 12 years old, is a real medical doctor, while "Dr Denis MacEoin is a former lecturer in Islamic Studies, and has written extensively in the field."

Other points made in the thread by Scooby (and I could not find where it was posted in the CiF thread) are:

a) His wife is a homeopath
b) He has written articles for the Society of Homeopaths' journal
c) He was vice chair of an organisation called Friends of Homeopathy
d) He was involved with a charity called the Natural Medicine Society (apparently it went bust in 2003)

Posted by: HCN | November 22, 2007 2:19 PM







ScienceBlogs

Search ScienceBlogs:

Go to:

Advertisement
Follow ScienceBlogs on Twitter

© 2006-2011 ScienceBlogs LLC. ScienceBlogs is a registered trademark of ScienceBlogs LLC. All rights reserved.