Why am I not surprised?
The stupid, it does so burn.
Maybe next Ted Haggard will give his approval.
Where does it state in evolutionary theory that there is no god? All I’m familiar with is the fact that there is no evidence of god. There is nothing showing that a supreme creator (regardless of gender) was in any way instrumental in our world.
In response to Rush I can say only this. I hate (as in me personally) fundies or even the strongly religious (read bullies) because I was persecuted for questioning faith. So I can understand that a prof who rabidly preaches (sans evidence) that all we see was created by god (not allah or jahova) he or she gets booted out. If your doing it based on evidence free think then you actually have to preach all sides or it’s bigotry. Now if we want all biology to be pointlessly explained by “The Great (insert chosen name) said it shall be so, and it was” by all means admit it and we can move on.
P.S. Rush need to learn the difference between religion and faith. Religion and all science are mortal enemies. Faith and science can easily co-exist in the rational mind.
“Faith and science can easily co-exist in the rational mind.” As soon as science disproves an article of faith then that faith must be abandoned or it isn’t a rational mind.
Well, at least Ted Haggard is completely heterosexual.
It sounds like Expelled (or at least the parts dealing with the Holocaust) is one long argument from consequences. In other words, they don’t claim, “Evolution didn’t happen, and here’s why not,” but that “teaching evolution is dangerous.” Not only is this a fallacy, but there is no case to be made that so-called Darwinism leads to all these social ills. It strikes me as a manipulative appeal to emotion.
Yes, vlad, as someone who has been studying evolutionary biology for lo these past 20 years, I’m dismayed to discover that I completely missed this bit:
Darwinism, of course, does not permit for the existence of a supreme being, a higher power, or a God.
Darwinazi says: “NO GOD FOR YOU!”
Keep digging, boys. With the god-talk that has permeated this film’s publicity, the rickety ‘it’s not a religion, it’s a science!’ pedestal upon which ID currently stands will disintegrate faster than through any blows we could have administered ourselves.
In keeping with the paradigm, of communicating so the other side can understand you, it is important to point out, in the best ID Creationist style, that Rush does say that Ben …”blew him”…
Not that that’s wrong…
I clicked that link and it took me almost a minute to stop laughing just looking at the header image. It says “Rush is a massive &*^*$ beyond all &*^*$” more than words ever could. What says, “I care about people and my opinions matter” more than a picture of oneself in an expensive suit smoking a fat cigar. He’s like walking evidence for Freudian theory.
Once I finally got to the article, the laughter began again. Leftists are afraid of God eh? So does that mean leftists are better god-fearing christians than the Christian Right?
I admit I’m drawing from the cruel and bitter well but part of me can’t help but imagine when Rush finally croaks from his smoking, drug-abusing, fat-sucking lifestyle and his last moments pass alone and unloved after his promotion of the family somehow prevented him from (thankfully) never reproducing and divorcing several times.
Haven’t you all heard? It’s all the rage: argumentum ad Nazium.
That’s not praise, we all know where he keeps that thumb.
Ad nazium and ad nausium are sooo close! And so similar in their effect.
I am most annoyed by the trailer when Big Ben states something to the effect; “I beleive in a loving god that created everything, rocks, animals and you and I”
Pardon if I misquote a bit.
The he goes on to state that the “Others” believe the everthing is the result of a random act etc. etc.
Whether or not you beleive in a supreme creator or you believe we and all that we see is a random act of biological and astronomical chance; is it not still as remarkable and fascinating?
As Vlad accurately points out “Where does it state in evolutionary theory that there is no god?”.
Grow up Ben, for gods sake just be thankful that you are able to appreciate the vast complexity of it all – then again maybe Ben doesn’t appreciate complexity? If all of us do not see the same color sky that Ben does are we less of a human being than he is? Ultimately, who ends up throwing rocks and trying to kill each other; the one that believes in the supreme being or the one that believes that we are all part of an amazing act of chance. Seems like history will support the the premise that it is the Social dominators and hyper religious god centered bipeds that are the ones that react to non conformity with destruction.
Seems kinda jack boot supreme on his part…
Grow up Ben, for gods sake just try and appreciate the vast complexity of it all – then again maybe Ben doesn’t appreciate the complexity? If all of us do not see the same color sky that Ben does are we less of a human being than he is? Ultimately, who ends up throwing rocks and trying to kill each other; the one that believes in the supreme being or the one that believes that we are all part of an amazing act of chance. Seems like history will support the the premise that it is the Social dominators and hyper religious god centered bipeds that are the ones that react to non conformity with destruction.
Seems kinda jack boot supreme on his part…
“This from some professor either in the UK, I forget where it was”. Priceless…poor Dawkins. Also terrible English.
I find his god rather small and dull actually. The only thing it seems to threaten these days is freedom and equality in America.
Now remember, our favorite concern troll/energy creature who we will not name thinks that Rush Limbaugh is more moral than PZ Myers. Don’t go to Concern Troll’s website any more, even to mock him. If he was interested in listening to reason, he wouldn’t be doing what he’s doing. Instead, you must starve him of his clicks and attention. Period.
“… The condescension and the arrogance these people have,… We, on the other hand, recognize that our greatness, who we are, our potential, our ambition, our desire, comes from God, and as part of our Creation, this natural yearning to be free and to practice liberty. That is how we think this country came to be great.”
Must start buying irony meters in bulk, just exploded another one. Rush is shocked, “shocked” he says, that these atheist Darwinist are so condescending and arrogant. Unlike Rush who humbly recognizes that his greatness comes from God. Nope, no arrogance there. What a douche.
Orac, you’re not surprised because Limbaugh has always been clueless on matters involving science.
Which is a pity, because on matters that don’t involve science, he can be great fun to listen to. Sometimes it’s even more fun than listening to his enemies so consistently misunderstand and misinterpret him.
I agree, wolf. i loved hearing rush talk about how bad drugs were and people that abused pharmaceuticals should be drawn and quartered because that leaves a drain on the people who really NEED that medicine.
And then i liked hearing him confess he had an addiction to an opiate prescription medication.
Or were you not being sarcastic?
Here’s a question: Do Rush Limbaugh and Ben Stein *actually* believe that ID is good science? or that evolution is not? Is it possible that Rush is really a bible thumping Jesus freak? Is Ben Stein really guided more by faith than by reason? Is it just a coincidence that this film is released during an election year?
OR, is this whole “Expelled” nonsense really about rallying the faithful behind the GOP? The GOP loves a polarizing issue like this. Is it possible that Ben Stein actually cares about this issue, or is he really involved in an effort to pander to the religious right, and get them rallied behind a dopey issue to trump all others?
So did God(s) bless thrice divorced Rush when he went to the Dominican Republic with a Viagra prescription?
What the I.D. crowd won’t acknowledge is that the elephant in the room is that all I.D. is assigning supernatural magic for unexplained phenomenon. That does nothing more than encourage laziness.
Clydicus, I can’t speak for Stein, but I think Limbaugh is just a simpleton on matters of science, and makes the mistake of thinking about everything in political terms. I think he truly doesn’t understand evolution, and therefore doesn’t know how stupid the IDers’ arguments are.
Limbaugh and his understanding of science anecdote:
Many many years ago I was trying to rest at my parents’ house during a visit. Unfortunately, the time I decided to rest was when Limbaugh was on, and my dad had the radio show piped throughout the entire house. I got to listen to him pontificate on how it was stupid to worry about cutting down trees. He did not understand why clear cutting was a problem.
That was within a week of a highway in British Columbia being covered by a landslide… caused by mud sliding down from a hill that was recently clear cut.
My dad agreed with Limbaugh… until a forest fire burned down several acres of trees in the mountain behind his property (it borders on a national forest). Later with rains causing landslides, and the creek flooding his back yard with mud did he realize the importance of forests, plants and roots on moderating the effects of rainfall.
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