I almost feel sorry for homeopathy Jeremy Sherr. Almost. You see, he is busily learning a lesson that HIV/AIDS denialist Celia Farber learned a couple of weeks ago, namely that, unlike the fictional nation of Oceania in George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four, memory holes do not work very well in the Internet age.
I'll backtrack a bit and explain. Last week, several readers sent me reports about a homeopath named Jeremy Sherr, who apparently in November went to Tanzania in Africa and has been busted by the skeptical blogosphere for proposing on his blog Jeremy's Journal from Africa completely unethical "clinical trials" using homeopathy to treat HIV infection. Sherr, of whom I had never heard before these reports, runs the Dynamis School of Advanced Homœopathic Studies and is in fact fairly famous in homeopathy circles. Of course, to me being "famous" in homeopathy circles is much the same as being famous in the con artist circles, but we'll leave that aside for a moment. In any case, Sherr apparently had a vision. As visions go, it was about as useless a vision as I can possibly imagine. He wants to bring homeopathy to Africa to treat HIV. No boring effort and money to bring effective antiretroviral therapy in the form of HAART to poor Africans with HIV infection, you know, something that would actually save and prolong lives and decrease suffering. Oh, no, that's too "conventional" and "scientific" for Mr. Sherr. Instead, he's expending time and money to bring placebos in the form of water to Africans in Tanzania, which to him is apparently a much more useful utilization of his time and money than bringing, you know, actual effective medicine. Certainly it is cheaper.
Here's how Sherr describes this project on his website (downloaded on 1/18/2008):
Our project has several objectives; 1) To treat as many AIDS patients as possible, so as to relieve suffering 2) To develop a homoeopathic understanding of the disease. This understanding should enable us to list the homeopathic remedies which are most successful in treating AIDS. 3) To make our project sustainable by spreading this knowledge and the related remedies throughout Tanzania and Africa, so that local health practitioners will be able to prescribe these remedies to large masses of people. 4) To produce formal research on the treatment of AIDS with homoeopathy so as to show the world what it is able to achieve.Together with Sigsbert Rwegasira, a Tanzanian homoeopath, and other international homoeopaths, Jeremy will initially create a clinical and teaching infrastructure in Tanzania. Once this is established, more homeopaths will come to Tanzania to participate in the project. When this mechanism is fully operational, we aim to open homoeopathic schools in Tanzania and throughout the whole of Africa, training doctors, homeopathic professionals, nurses and local practitioners.
We have the support of several eminent homeopathic researchers, as well as the Muhumbili University of Health Sciences in Dar Es Salaam, Tanzania and the Department of Integrative Medicine at the University of Maryland, USA.
I'm particularly interested in Sherr's desire to discover a "homeopathic" understanding of the disease. Let's see. I'm not a homeopath, but I understand the ridiculous principles of the Law of Similars. HIV causes profound immunosuppression that generally takes several years to develop after the initial infection. What else causes profound immunosuppression? Well, high dose chemotherapy in preparation for bone marrow transplant with stem cell rescue will do it. It's also a permanent destruction of the immune system such that it can only be reconstituted with a bone marrow or stem cell transplant. Consequently, by the Law of Similars, all Sherr would have to do would be to get some of those nasty chemotherapy drugs used for ablation of the immune system in preparation for bone marrow transplant, dilute them by 30C (remember, each dilution in the series of 30 is 1:100, making this a 1 x 10-60 dilution), and use that to treat HIV/AIDS. Don't worry, it's perfectly safe. Avagaddro's number is around 6 X 1023; so a 30C dilution is at least 36 orders of magnitude greater than that, meaning that the odds against the presence of a single molecule in the remaining dilution is astronomical. There you go: Instant homeopathic treatment for AIDS.
Of course, I'm being facetious. Homeopaths will solemnly and condescendingly tell you it's much, much more complicated than that and that each treatment must be "individualized" (which, to a homeopath, basically means "make it up as I go along"), but it isn't really, at least not when you boil it down. On the other hand, since homeopathy was devised over 200 years ago, the concept of "immune system destruction" had not yet been elucidated; so one could argue that we would need to find something that causes similar symptoms as the ones that AIDS patients suffer and dilute and succuss that to make a homeopathic remedy for AIDS. So let's give Sherr a chance to explain for himself:
In many ways homoeopathy is the perfect medicine for persons suffering from AIDS, and particularly in Africa. AIDS means Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome. Homoeopathy works by stimulating and enhancing the immune system and therefore it is precisely in this disease that homoeopathy can be most effective.Homoeopathy is a system of medicine with an outstanding record of cures, both in individual and epidemic diseases. Homoeopathy was extremely effective in the great flu pandemic of 1918, and the cholera epidemics of the 19th century. Homeopathy has proved effective in yellow fever, whooping cough, polio, typhus, and malaria. Today, homoeopaths all over the world are having very promising results with AIDS patients, substantially improving their well being and restoring health.
While conventional medicine aims to fight the virus, and is able to buy time for the patient, there is no radical change in the underlying health. In effect, conventional medicine only supplies a temporary relief, often at a great cost financially, and with many severe side effects.
Funny, but I don't recall Samuel Hahnneman saying anything about homeopathy "stimulating" the immune system. As has been explained many times before, "boosting the immune system" is a virtually meaningless claim, particularly when made in such a manner. The immune system is a tightly balanced system. Too little immunity, and disease or cancer can develop. Too much activity of the immune system, and devastating autoimmune disease can develop. There are also more than one type of immunity. Boosting the "wrong" type of immunity for an infection would do no good at all and could well do harm. I may not be an immunologist, but I can see Sherr's nonsense for what it is--nonsense.
Even worse are Sherr's claims that homeopathy was effective against the influenza pandemic of 1918. Really? What evidence does he base that claim on? Even worse, are claims that homeopathy can treat all those infectious diseases, particularly malaria. Indeed, about a year ago the Society of Homeopaths in the U.K. was criticized for not stopping its members from making claims that homeopathy could prevent or cure malaria. Its response? To abuse the U.K.'s plaintiff-friendly libel laws to threaten to sue the blogger who busted them. I suppose I should be grateful that Sherr left out leptospirosis as a "success story" for homeopathy. In any case, as is almost always the case with homeopaths, Sherr offers no evidence to support his claims of efficacy against all those diseases.
Another thing that the Society of Homeopaths fiasco demonstrated, as did Celia Farber's attempt to alter her postings after her ill-advised writing about Christine Maggiore, is that the "memory hole" no longer exists. Shortly after the Society of Homeopaths forced the removal of the articles critical of its members, the article reappeared on dozens, if not hundreds, of blogs. This is very similar to what happened when über-quack Joseph Chikelue Obi tried to do the same thing, forcing a blogger through legal threats to remove posts critical of his promotion of quackery.
The bottom line is that the memory hole just doesn't work on the Internet, whether it's the person who wrote the information and is now trying to retrieve it or it's information being forced off of a website or blog because of vacuous legal threats. It is a lesson that our intrepid homeopath Jeremy Sherr is now learning, as he tries to "realign" the contents of his blog to be not so incriminating when it comes to his advocacy of a completely unethical clinical trial of homeopathy in HIV patients in Tanzania. He announced his intention over a year ago:
It would involve treating three to five hundred AIDS patients over a couple of years. The aim is twofold; one, to treat individually and show the efficacy of homoeopathy for these patients and two, to look for a genus epidemicus for AIDS, providing it is an epidemic. Epidemics have certain characteristics and AIDS is one foot in and one foot out. I do not want to hear what this or that homoeopath gave an AIDS patient; I just want to collect the symptoms for myself, as Hahnemann said we should do with epidemics, and see.
Doing research in Third World countries is very dicey from an ethical standpoint, because it is increasingly being viewed as unethical to provide anything less than the scientifically validated standard of care as the minimum floor of therapy to patients in the control group, even if such therapy is normally not available to the people living in such areas. Indeed, the Helsinki Declaration codifies this principle:
32. The benefits, risks, burdens and effectiveness of a new intervention must be tested against those of the best current proven intervention, except in the following circumstances:
- The use of placebo, or no treatment, is acceptable in studies where no current proven intervention exists; or
- Where for compelling and scientifically sound methodological reasons the use of placebo is necessary to determine the efficacy or safety of an intervention and the patients who receive placebo or no treatment will not be subject to any risk of serious or irreversible harm. Extreme care must be taken to avoid abuse of this option.
Neither of these conditions apply to any therapy of HIV. There is an effective treatment in existence, and using a placebo would harm HIV patients. Now compare this to what Sherr ended up actually proposing:
When I was in South Africa 5 years ago, we had designed a very complex trial together with the Nelson Mandela hospital in Durban. This trial had three arms; patients with homoeopathy and without ARV treatment, patients with homoeopathy and ARV treatment, and patients with ARVs alone (Placebo treatment is considered unethical in AIDS). It was a very comprehensive and well designed trial and it covered all the bases. And once the dean of the hospital resigned to go into the private sector, it was also a very dead trial. So I am happy to go for a simple trial initially, with one arm of AIDS patients with homoeopathy and no ARV. There are plenty of statistics on ARV treatment and patients with no treatment at all that we can compare to. If we can prove that homoeopathy has any positive effect at all, we can move on to bigger and better things.
The best available therapy for HIV/AIDS is HAART. Period. Or, at least, until better therapies are developed. Consequently, even if homeopathy weren't utterly implausible and no more than a water placebo, it would have been completely unethical to include a homeopathy alone arm to this study. Because homeopathy is nothing more than water with no reasonable likelihood to be expected for therapeutic benefit, the trial design that Sherr originally intended was utterly unethical. Indeed, it was even more unethical than an appallingly unethical study of homeopathic remedies in infectious diarrheal diseases in Honduras. Sherr was informed of this in the comments of his blog by numerous people. He then did what Celia Farber tried to do. He tried to throw his original comments down the "memory hole" and produce a newer, shinier, happier version without the ethical--shall we say?--lapses:
When I was in South Africa 5 years ago, we had designed a very complex trial together with the Nelson Mandela hospital in Durban. This trial had three arms; Homoeopathy for HIV patients who are not yet eligable for ARVs, patients with homoeopathy and ARV treatment, and patients with ARVs alone (Placebo treatment is considered unethical in AIDS). It was a very comprehensive and well designed trial and it covered all the bases. And once the dean of the hospital resigned to go into the private sector, it was also a very dead trial. So I am happy to go for a simple trial initially, treating AIDS patients who are not taking ARVs. There is no shortage of patinets who, although they have been offered ARVs, have chosen not to take them, usually because of the serious and debilitating side effects. There are plenty of statistics on ARV treatment and patients with no treatment at all that we can compare to. These are only preliminary thoughts, and any trial we undertake will be rigorously planned and ethically reviewed. If we can prove that homoeopathy has any positive effect at all, we can move on to bigger and better research.
I can't help but ask Sherr what lawyers always ask witnesses who change their story: Are you lying now or were you lying then? Sadly, what Sherr apparently doesn't realize is that, even though this new version of the trial he supposedly proposed is not as bad as the original from an ethical standpoint, it is still of highly dubious ethics. Remember the Helsinki Declaration. It requires that clinical trials test new therapies against the best current standard of care. Any exception is frowned upon, and there has to be an incredibly compelling reason justified by the researcher sufficiently to convince an ethics panel before such research can even be considered. This is to prevent "slumming" in poor countries by physicians in rich countries; in other words, it's a way of protecting vulnerable poor populations from exploitation. As an investigator you can't go to Third World countries looking for patients who aren't getting the standard of care and propose to test something that is below the standard of care. This would be true even if homeopathy had therapeutic potential. Given that homeopathy is nothing more than a placebo, Sherr's "reinvention" of his proposal is a long run for a short slide. It may be marginally less unethical than his original proposal, but it's still pretty damned unethical. Sherr's utter cluelessness about even the very basic ethical principles of clinical research is showing.
Fortunately, others have taken action to archive much of what Jeremy Sherr has written and said about his plans to "research" homeopathy for AIDS:
Yes, there are Jeremy and Camilla Sherr, advocating the use of homeopathy to treat epidemics and, after noting that "killing all the bacteria and viruses" only makes them come back stronger, claiming that it can "make the person stronger" to fight off viruses. Never mind that that, even if that worked, it would be a selective pressure just like antibiotics, and the bacteria would evolve resistance. Indeed, if this post by Camilla Sherr is any indication, the Sherrs are even more clueless than I thought:
In particular case 101, the first case I saw when I arrived. She feels that the ARVs are poisoning her, and claims that she feels worse in many ways since taking them; she had been vomiting continuously for months, which began soon after the drugs. Her relatives are very worried about this. There was a long list of symptoms: Chest pain, fullness in the stomach, dark brown urine. She is very weak, and has heaviness in the legs. She suffers from bad dreams, has a sense of failure and is constantly angry. She sleeps poorly. Before the ARVs she had a CD4 of 137. We don't have a CD4 now (the lab was not yet set up when we took this case).Three weeks after the remedy she is feeling better then she has for a long time. Her energy is vastly improved, and she can walk long distances. Legs are better, sleeping well, glands down, stomach better, urine clear, dreams gone, no vomiting. She is feeling much happier in herself. But here is the real surprise: her CD4 count this week has gone up to a massive 1430! That is beyond healthy. What a shame we didn't have the initial count, so I am NOT claiming the the amazing CD4 count is a result of homoeoapthy, but the general improvement certainly is.
So, research ethics or no research ethics, the Sherrs are forging ahead treating Tanzanians with quackery. Worse, they use the same sort of ploy that cancer quacks do. When a patient is treated with both conventional therapy and quackery, attribute any improvement to the quackery (wink-wink, nudge-nudge, tha'ts not what I'm sayin', you know, but I'm sayin'), not to the proven medication. Worse, as is described by Gimpy, Jeremy Sherr isn't just a lone wolf. He appears to have the backing, or at least the tacit approval, of much of the homeopathy establishment in the U.K.
The Sherrs appear to be sincere, but it is that very sincerity, combined with utter cluelessness about how scientific and clinical research is conducted, that makes them dangerous, especially to impoverished HIV-positive people in Africa. What they propose is the use of the ancient superstition of sympathetic magic dating perhaps as far back as Paracelsus instead of medicine, wishful thinking instead of science. It is not for nothing that it's said that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and it's clear that he and his wife really, really believe, as demonstrated by this quote:
I have decided that the main aim is to get out there and cure as many people as possible. I know, as all homeopaths do, that you can just about cure AIDS in many cases. But shhhh... I'm not allowed to say that, so you didn't hear it. With the little funding that I have I will start working in Sigsbert's existing clinics seeing as many AIDS patients as I can. Together with Margot Diskin from Ireland we will check out the northern areas of Tanzania and see if there are more opportunities to treat the sick. That is the first, high and only mission.[...]
And that is the third mission, teaching homeopathy, spreading what we learn, using Sigsbert's School and any other means possible. We need to get homeopathy known through Africa, because millions are dying of AIDS and malaria and TB, and the pharmaceutical companies are making fools of them with their expensive, non curing, mal inducing drugs. Homeopathy IS the solution for Africa- curative, gentle, natural, and affordable. No side effects- just effective!
Of course, even the Sherrs' good intentions don't stop them from--shall we say?--"revising" history when their cluelessness leads them to proposing astoundingly unethical clinical trials. Particularly amusing is Jeremy Sherr's rant about the justified criticism of his proposed research:
How predictable; the Pharmaceutical Inquisition have discovered my site and they are squawking away in a hysterical frenzy. I take this as a compliment and thank them for the publicity.Alas, the pharma-inquisition has a nasty little habit of nit picking other peoples blogs as if they were a scientific document, misstating issues, taking them out of context and amplifying them into a malevolent distortion of truth. For their benefit I will STATE THE FACTS CLEARLY:
Ah, yes, the usual conspiracy mongering about big pharma. Not very original, I'm afraid. Neither is his lying about what he clearly said previously about having designed an a clinical trial five years ago that involved a no-antiretroviral arm nor his having altered the text of what he had written. As jaycueaitch asks, how does Mr. Sherr reconcile his claims now that he is not advocating using homeopathy instead of anti-retroviral drugs with his previous claims that homeopathy can cure AIDS? Also, if he was so honest and had no intention of ever doing research that would include a group of HIV-positive patients receiving only homeopathy and no HAART, why did he feel the need to go back and revise what he wrote only after bloggers noticed it and called him out for it? Even more importantly, why does he make no mention that he had revised his text?
Worst of all, though, Jeremy Sherr has made it very clear that he doesn't care about ethics--not really--through his statement in the past (archived here and, for the moment at least, still on Sherr's website):
I personally am too impatient for academics, research and statistics but I feel that it has got to be done. Therefore I have been working to set up a proper research study of homoeopathy treating HIV and AIDS patients. And because I have contacts and a bit of a name, maybe I can get it off the ground, with a little luck and help from my friends. But it has been very frustrating, because the academic wheels grind far too slowly for me. You have to find willing partners and get a protocol through an ethics committee, and you need to talk their language. I hope it will work but if not, I will just go and do it on a small scale myself - I am determined to do that.
Translation: I know I'm right and don't need no steeekin' science. I'll grudgingly try to dabble in science and "play the game" because I have to, but if the ethics board stops me I'll just go ahead and treat AIDS patients with homeopathy alone anyway.
Unfortunately for the Sherrs, as was the case with the Society of Homeopaths, Joseph Chikelue Obi, and Celia Farber, when it comes to the quackery of the Sherrs the memory hole no longer works in the Age of the Internet. In their case, that's definitely a good thing. Dangerous quacks like these homeopaths shouldn't be allowed to experiment on impoverished Africans just because they are deluded enough to think that it will help and because they think they can get away with it.













Comments
Excellent, comprehensive post on the Jeremy Sherr saga. Just one thing...you have his name spelled "Scherr" throughout.
Posted by: wilsontown | January 19, 2009 9:36 AM
"...his advocacy of a completely unethical clinical trial of homeopathy in HIV patients in Tanzania"
Am I the only one thinking of the Tuskegee experiment on untreated syphilis, the very same one that the woo crowd is always so eager to invoke?
COncerning the link between homeopathy and the 1918 Spanish Flu: it may be because Joseph Roy, the inventor of Oscillococcinum, thought he had discovered the agent of this disease (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscillococcinum).
Posted by: Christophe Thill | January 19, 2009 9:43 AM
wilsontown: "Just one thing...you have his name spelled "Scherr" throughout."
To Sherr is human...
Posted by: Neuroskeptic | January 19, 2009 10:18 AM
I don't think of myself as into woo medicine or anything, but I think there is a definite place for homeopathy in the third world. Homeopathic medicine is not completely worthless and has certainly shown to be beneficial in the treatment of dehydration and the avoidance of water-borne pathogens. It would be wonderful if homeopaths spent some money to put in wells and water treatment facilities in the third world.
Posted by: penn | January 19, 2009 11:06 AM
Penn already thought what I was thinking. Enough good, potable water wouldn't cure AIDS, but it would help in all sorts of other ways.
Posted by: Bardiac | January 19, 2009 11:42 AM
The battle to defend and uphold this and other basic ethical standards in the US and at the WMA has been fought by people like Peter Lurie
http://www.citizen.org/publications/release.cfm?ID=7373
against the best efforts of PhRMA and various people in the US (including so-called ethicists and people at the CDC, FDA, NIH) to gut Helsinki.
Posted by: SC | January 19, 2009 11:44 AM
http://firedoglake.com/2008/05/19/first-geneva-now-helsinki-the-fdas-slide-to-the-inhuman/
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20020701/shah
Posted by: SC | January 19, 2009 11:57 AM
Really, there is a very simple way for Mr Sherr to do the work he advocates, if he's so "impatient"-- merely infect himself with HIV, and then show that his water has cured him.
While this is unethical of itself, it hardly registers on a scale which includes experimenting on those without other (genuine) medical options.
Posted by: Dilaceratus | January 19, 2009 1:34 PM
Thankss Hacıı
Posted by: netlog | January 19, 2009 3:34 PM
It's a shame that the supernatural effects of homeopathy and water memory don't work in vitro or in animal trials. If one could prove effectiveness in cell or tissue culture or in animals (via double blinded RCTs, of course), that would be a basis for a double blinded, randomized clinical trial where a group of subjects were randomized into two groups, one with HAART only, and another with HAART plus homeopathy. If homeopathy was shown to be effective in that trial, and the results reproduced in larger trials, THEN you could investigate HAART vs Homeopathy plus reduced levels of HAART. If those trials showed strong, beneficial effects from homeopathy, THEN you could do trials of homeopathy vs HAART. But since homeopaths know homeopathy works, they can skip past all the preclinical and preliminary trials and do relatively uncontrolled, non randomized, unblinded field tests.
Posted by: Karl Withakay | January 19, 2009 5:55 PM
AIDS is a perfect choice for quackery. The normal course of HIV disease means that there is ample time for all sorts of 'modalities' to achieve amazing results before the consequences of denial are seen.
If the quacks do it right then they won't be around to see the consequences. When their patients get sick then they will either a) die or b) get real treatment. Either way they are unlikely to go back to the homoeopathists and confront them with the bad news.
Another quack, Tina van der Maas shows how this is done.
Burglars 'peed' on Aids records
Posted by: Chris Noble | January 19, 2009 8:59 PM
Don't these homeopaths realize how dangerous the chemical solvent DHMO is? people die from minimal exposure to DHMO every year! And don't get me started on the toxic exposure to
C12H22O11, which is associated with diabetes, obesity, tooth decay and other illnesses, and is flammable on top of that!
(end joke)
If this quack came to my country and asked to "do a study" I'd have him thrown out. Africa in general needs much more help regarding HIV/AIDS, including prevention and treatment.
It does not need people like Sherr, who is either delusional or a con man.
Posted by: DLC | January 19, 2009 10:53 PM
Hi Orac,
Excellent assembly of the whole story. Here is one more (mine) just for completeness - doesn't really add anything new!
T
Posted by: Dr* T | January 20, 2009 4:33 AM
If magic did work, wouldn't it be better to use it to make treatments that work work better?
Posted by: Alan Kellogg | January 20, 2009 6:41 AM
On the Salford Univesity Homeopathy course, Ethics is an optional module.
Posted by: Nash | January 20, 2009 8:39 AM
The problem is that, according to homeopathy, there is no such thing as an "immune system," since homeopathy doesn't accept that disease is caused by anything to become "immune" to.
From a homeopathic standpoint, all that's necessary is to treat the symptoms as they arise and all is well. Therefore, the homeopathic treatment of HIV disease would be a treatment for Karposi's sarcoma, a treatment for tuberculosis, a treatment for pneumonia, etc.
Posted by: D. C. Sessions | January 20, 2009 10:06 AM
I've also covered Jeremy Sherr's post on the "Pharmaceutical Inquisition" and found that the pro-homeopathy blog "Homeopathy Resource", as well as supporting Sherr's proposed research(*), had a claim that Sherr was a member of NASH (North American Society of Homeopaths). I've emailed NASH to inquire as to whether Sherr's research fits with their Code of Ethics. I'm yet to receive a reply.
(*)Like Sherr, they go for the "Big Pharma" gambit: "Much to the chagrin and opposition by Drug Company representatives and supporters who have a strong African market, Jeremy Sherr has initiated an AIDS project."
Posted by: jdc | January 20, 2009 10:55 AM
BTW, I also referred to a paper on the knowledge and attitudes of homeopaths in India with regards Aids. [eCAM 2008 5(2):221-225; doi:10.1093/ecam/nem018]
Fifteen percent did not believe that sharing needles was a risk factor. Twelve percent of practitioners also failed to realise that “having sex with a person who has the aids virus” can lead to transmission of Aids. Fifteen percent of practitioners and educators even thought that you could tell who had Aids just by looking at them.
My post.
Posted by: jdc | January 20, 2009 2:44 PM
Well, that's some reasonably clever wordsmithing. Strictly speaking, it's true. But by focusing on the people with pharmaceutical links (as opposed to noting that everybody with a clue is chagrined and in opposition) they've implied that it's fear for their profits which motivates the objectors. As opposed to the actual fear for Sherr's victims and concern over how many people he'll manage to kill with this.
Posted by: Scott | January 20, 2009 3:40 PM
It's highly amusing that he talks about curing people before he's developed the "homoeopathic understanding of the disease" or even knows which remedies to use. Yet he is so certain that he has already found the cure.
Posted by: Richard Eis | January 21, 2009 5:41 AM
Posted by: pv | January 21, 2009 5:36 PM
Uh-oh, now Jeremy'Sherr's really angry.
I find it especially odd that Sherr's saying "To learn more about the project, see my website http://www.dynamis.edu", because the pages on dynamis.edu about Jeremy’s AIDS project in Africa were deleted last week, shortly after people drew attention to them. I’ve written to Dynamis to ask why the pages disappeared, but there's been no reply. Fortunately, copies were kept.
Posted by: Rob Hinkley | January 25, 2009 5:25 PM
Dear writer,
I do not understand your point(s). I see only 2 options here:
1. If Sherr does cure AIDS/HIV for millions of people or only a few, amazing.
2. If he does not, at least he tried, as you said, his heart is in the right place - What have you done lately for these people?
p.s
I shall refer you to Sherr's blog where he clearly states:
"We have never offered, advertised, advocated or suggested homoeopathy as an alternative to ARVs to any AIDS patients in Tanzania or elsewhere. Not one patient has BEEN PERSUADED TO STOP or has been prevented from taking conventional medication as a result of our treatment. Most of the patients I treat are currently on ARVs. All patients have received prior medical advice."
Posted by: Mike | January 30, 2009 12:37 PM
You should have actually read Orac's post. If you had, you'd notice that Sherr DID very specifically advocate using homeopathy instead of ARVs. His current claim to the contrary is a bald-faced lie. That was, in fact, a good bit of Orac's point (the whole "failure of memory holes" bit).
So the result would actually be
3. Sherr kills people by convincing them to use homeopathy instead of real medicine. While doing so, he also wastes a large amount of time and money that could have actually been used beneficially.
Posted by: Scott | January 30, 2009 2:09 PM
What the writer does not mention is that for all the billions of dollars being poured by 'modern' practictioners of allopathic medicine into finding a cure for AIDS/HIV, there is none.
The ineffective, side-effect inducing drug cocktails being pushed on Africans as a 'cure' are, in fact, not a cure. Africans are being used as guinea pigs by big pharma.
Why in the world would anyone object to this Sherr coming in and offering an alternative? Best case scenario, he helps people. Worst case, their AIDS/HIV progresses as before.
At any rate, why not wait until you can prove that you have a cure or that he absolutely isn't helping people?
Posted by: Lou | February 4, 2009 9:54 AM
Posted by: Scott | February 4, 2009 10:12 AM
Scott said "Are you REALLY that stupid, gullible, and uncaring?"
Yes, he is. The call was for the stupid homeopaths to dump on ANOTHER blog, and he couldn't find it. It has been amusing seeming them flounder and whine on Gimpy's blog, especially the ones who complain on his "About" page about how everyone is being mean to Sherr.
Posted by: Chris | February 4, 2009 11:02 AM
Eleven stupid presidents of the US have used homeopathy, to name just two Abraham Lincoln and Bill clinton, The stupid royal family does so for over 150 years, they have built the Homeopathic Royal Hospital in London. The silly queen mother who have used homeopathy all her life died at the age of 103, working at her royal duties until a couple of months before she died.
The stupid famous violinist Yehudi Menuhin, David Beckham, Henry Ford, Rockefeller, James Darwin, Mark Twain and a few millions in Europe 30 millions to be exact. and some more royal families, Belgian and Spanish. Not to mention a few million Indians some people in the countries of South America.
Whoever was treated correctly by homeopathy will survive.
Homoeapaths tend to pass their profession to the next generation. My daughter is a homeopath, in India you have many doctors MD for now over four generations of homeopaths.
Homeopathy is a joy work.
and of course you will not let me have my say.
One day you will too. Orac sounds like a good name for a hypocrit pharmaceutical who pretend to heal and they slowly kill.
What you do here you do not know anything about homeopathy - or rather you know very well that it is a powerful tool of healing but very much against healing for reasons better known to yourself.
Posted by: homeopath | March 6, 2009 12:27 PM
oh , Et tu Brute, Gimpy...
Posted by: simone | March 6, 2009 12:30 PM
And, of course, you are wrong.
Unfortunately, your "say" only embarrasses you more.
Posted by: Orac | March 6, 2009 12:31 PM
THE MAIN POST ABOVE IS FROM A DRUG COMPANY MASQUERADING AS CONCERNED SCIENCE. THIS IS NON OTHER THAN AN ATTEMPT BY THE DIRTY TRICKS DEPARTMENT OF A DRUGS COMPANY TO MINIMIZE RESEARCH INTO ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF TREATING THIS PHENOMENA FOR THE SAKE OF EVIL AND PURE PROFIT.
MR SHERR HAS BEEN HOUNDED, VILIFIED, THREATENED, FOLLOWED AND COWED BY THE BIG PHARMA FRONT PEOPLE WHO HAS POSTED THIS, WHO CANNOT BE IDENTIFIED AND OPERATE UNDER ANY NUMBER OF "FALSE FRONTS".
THE DRUG COMPANY POSTING THIS SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF ITSELF AND HOPE THAT THEY ARE NEVER REVEALED. THIS IS THE NEW AGE OF WITCH HUNTING - ONLY ITS CORPORATE DRIVEN. THEY SEEK TO DISCREDIT ANY GENUINE AND CONCERNED ENVIRONMENTAL EFFORT OR ALTERNATIVE NATURAL TREATMENT. DIRTY TRICKS DOESN'T EVEN BEGIN TO DESCRIBE.
INDUSTRIAL PHARMA ARE THE DIRTIEST MOST LOW LYING SCUMBAG SET OF PEOPLE AND WE ARE ON TO YOU. BE CAREFUL. AND STOP HARASSING PEOPLE BECAUSE YOU ARE PARALYTICALLY SCARED THAT SOMEONE WILL FIND A COST FREE WAY TO TREAT AIDS AND RENDER YOUR MULTI BILLION OPERATIONS USELESS.
STICK TO YOUR BIZ JETS AND MULTI BILLION DOLLAR PROFITS. AND PRAY THERE IS NO POWER ABOVE AS YOU WILL SURELY ROT IN HELL.
Posted by: Keith Dunlop | March 24, 2009 7:38 AM
@Keith,
If you double-layer the aluminum foil when you make your hats, then the minions of Big Pharma can't read your mind or beam thoughts into your head anymore. The winged monkeys of BP are, as you point out, very sneaky.
Posted by: Joseph C. | March 24, 2009 7:56 AM
I'm sold on homeopathy now. Just look at the wonderful evidence and logic in homeopath's stunning post. And hey, no capital letters either so he can't be a wingnut.
Joseph, didn't a recent study find that tin actually attenuates or amplifies external radiation thereby making it all the easier for minions to beam thoughts into your head? They are indeed sneaky. In fact, you might be a minion yourself and are encouraging KD to wear tinfoil so he is easier to manipulate. Or perhaps I am and am trying to persuade tinfoil hat wearers to give them up so we can again read their minds and control their thoughts?
Posted by: Daniel J. Andrews | March 25, 2009 9:56 AM
Kieth,
To amplify what Joseph said, always remember when constructing the anti-mind conttrol hat that the shiny side goes on the outside or it doesn't work.
Posted by: Joe T | March 25, 2009 10:25 AM
"Whoever was treated correctly by homeopathy will survive" Posted by: homeopath | March 6, 2009 12:27 PM
--Unless , of course they haven't chosen a therapy proven to significantly extend their lifespan because they're taking a placebo which , as discussed is unethical to use in a devastating disease that.....oh, never mind......Dr. P
Posted by: Dr. P | March 26, 2009 1:09 AM
about homeopathy being placebo:
Does anybody think that Jeremy, Camilla, and the other homeopaths would have lasted three and a half months in Tansania? Their work must be genuine, show beneficial results. As I and my colleagues had experienced classical homeopathy, the improvement begins right from the moment you lay the remedy under your tongue.
Beyond doubt Jeremy and his crew are highly appreciated by the people and Govt of Tansania.
Posted by: tony | April 15, 2009 1:40 AM
tony said "Beyond doubt Jeremy and his crew are highly appreciated by the people and Govt of Tansania."
How do we know beyond your anecdote? Where is your evidence, and why should we believe you?
Posted by: Chris | April 15, 2009 1:49 AM
If it's that effective, then proving so in a properly controlled trial should be a walkover. So why don't they do it? Is there some reason they don't want the world to know that homeopathy actually works?
Posted by: MartinM | April 15, 2009 5:54 AM
MAYBE IF I POST A WALL OF TEXT IN ALL CAPS PEOPLE WILL BELIEVE MY ARGUMENT, AFTER ALL EVERYBODY KNOWS THAT LOUDER = MORE CORRECT!!!! HOMEOPATHY RULES, SCEINCEBOLGGERS DROOL!!!! MY ARGUMENT MAKES AS MUCH SENSE AS ANY OTHER HOMEOPATH POSTING HERE!!!!
;)
Posted by: The Perky Skeptic | April 15, 2009 11:08 AM
what a lot of rubbish! stop stabbing each other and start focusing on a cure! good lord, you are a sick person! you need some help.
Posted by: Kevin | November 10, 2009 11:56 PM