Let’s face it, I’ve been at this “anti-antii-vax” thing for quite a while now. This December, this blog will have been in existence for five years. Even before that cold, gray Saturday afternoon nearly five years ago when, on a whim, I started up a blog on Blogspot that became the first incarnation of Respectful Insolence, I had been a regular presence on the Usenet newsgroup misc.health.alternative for at least three years before that. There, besides quackery, I got my first taste of the lies of the anti-vaccine movement from the likes of denizens of the newsgroup like Jan Drew and Ilena Rosenthal, who’s best known for her silicone breast implant conspiracy theories but by the principles of crank magnetism is also an anti-vaccinationist, to name a couple.

I’m not mentioning this to show what an old fart I am, blogospherically speaking, but rather to say that I’ve been around a while. I thought I had knew about pretty much every major anti-vaccine website and blog out there, and my connections usually let me know about new ones very rapidly. So it was to my surprise to see that there’s a slick new anti-vaccine website in town, and that it’s been around at least a month now. Worse, it’s a website that’s using the authority of physicians to try to persuade the public that it’s not a load of pseudoscience. Echoing the infamous website of the granddaddy of modern anti-vaccine groups, the National Vaccine Information Center (which I’ve blogged about before, natch!), this website is known as the Medical Voices Vaccine Information Center.

If there’s one thing I can say about it, it’s run, don’t walk, away from these doctors.

But who are the doctors who are responsible for this happy haven of anti-vaccine pseudoscience and quackery? I’ll get to that in a minute, along with a discussion of just how bad this site is. But, first, let’s see what it’s all about:

About
Medical Voices Vaccine Information Center brings awareness of vaccine issues to the forefront via medical doctors. Newly under development as of July 2009, the site will quickly become a massive library of articles, videos and presentations by doctors speaking out on the dangers of vaccines. The aim is to be an educational site for doctors who are beginning to question and become aware of the problems caused by vaccines and, additionally, a go-to resource for the public at large.

Vision Statement
Medical Voices Vaccine Information Center will become the most comprehensive educational center on the Internet for physicians seeking the truth about vaccines. This will change healthcare as we know it.

Mission Statement
Medical Voices Vaccine Information Center will provide educational tools through media including articles, videos, podcasts and webinars to everyone seeking the truth about vaccines.

Ugh. It figures. They’d have to have the “vision thing” down, wouldn’t they? Too bad it’s a vision of resurgent infectious diseases, suffering, and death. I do like the the antivax-speak, though. “beginning to question and become aware of the problems caused by vaccines” is code for “turning into an anti-vaccine loon,” and this website is there to help you along that path if you’re so inclined–with the authority of doctors, yet. Of course, to such people, the “truth” about vaccines is anything but, and it’s really sad to see physicians promoting misinformation and anti-vaccine canards. Indeed, I find this far more disturbing than even seeing Dr. Michael Egnor butcher biology and evolution. While Dr. Egnor only endangers the brains of those who listen to them, these physicians endanger public health by discouraging vaccination, a profound betrayal of their Hippocratic Oath.

So who’s behind this propaganda site? Let’s take a look:

Board of Directors
Sherri Tenpenny, DO
Mayer Eisenstein, MD, JD, MPH

Board of Advisors
Harold Buttram, MD
Professor Leo Rebello, ND, MD, PhD, DSc., F.F.Hom., DHS, MBA

President
Nick Haas

In case you don’t know who these “luminaries” are, Sherri Tenpenny is an infamous anti-vaccine activist whose website, book (Saying No To Vaccines), book blog, and blog are chock full of vaccine pseudoscience. Heck, she even has her own page on Whale.to and has appeared on über-crank Alex Jones’ show (he of Prison Planet) to lay down some fine conspiracy mongering about the swine flu. Yes, if I were looking for reliable information about vaccines, Dr. Tenpenny is someone I’d go to…not.

Then there’s Mayer Eisenstein. We’ve encountered Dr. Eisenstein multiple times before, first making data-free claims about how there is virtually no autism among the unvaccinated children in his crunchy Homefirst practice, a story that later morphed into a claim for actual data. Despite that, he never published. Most recently, Dr. Eisenstein has fallen for the quackery of Mark and David Geier, in which the powerful anti-sex hormone drug Lupron is being touted as a treatment for autism and been written up in the Chicago Tribune for the incompetence of physicians in his practice.

Harold Buttram is a particularly despicable anti-vaccine loon. A member of the wingnut organization Association of American Physicians and Scientists (which publishes JPANDS), Dr. Buttram is known for claiming that the shaken baby syndrome is in reality due to vaccine injury and not physical trauma. He has published articles in JPANDS and elswhere arguing just that. Indeed, what makes him most contemptible to me is that he lent his idea to the effort to get baby killer Alan Yurko off for his crime. Not surprisingly, Dr. Buttram also has his own page on Whale.to.

As for Professor Leo Rebello, ND, MD, PhD, DSc., F.F.Hom., DHS, MBA, I really don’t know much about him other than that he really, really needs to realize that putting that many initials after his name does not impress, particularly given that a doctor of Naturopathy and what looks like a degree in homeopathy are not exactly the best way to build credibility as a science-based source. Indeed, his website is full of anti-vaccine pseudoscience, complete with this picture:

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And this rant:

The lethal brew called the vaccinations made from disease cells and so many obnoxious ingredients do not build up immunity. Rather these vaccines are introduced to create more diseases. As I have said in my new doctor’s oath, vaccinations are worse than rape. It is heinous and those who have made vaccination mandatory, like in USA and in the EU countries, are the mass murderers. Hitler pales into insignificance when it comes to genocide of small children due to vaccinations.

Vaccines are “worse than rape”? Vaccines are “genocide” that makes Hitler’s crimes “pale into significance”? Nice to see the MVVIC has two such voices of reason as Drs. Buttram and Rebello, isn’t it?

Not surprisingly, the cadre of physicians the antivaccine zealots behind the MVVIC have gotten to contribute articles and other material to the website are just as bad. For example, there’s Joe Mercola dutifully repeating the now utterly discredited claim that mercury in vaccines causes autism and the same old misinformation about the HPV vaccine that I’ve blogged about before. Then there’s surgeon and antivaccinationist Russel Blaylock, who is known for articles claiming that vaccines don’t stop disease and that they cause autism, Gulf War Syndrome, Alzheimer’s disease, and Parkinson’s disease, chimes in with a piece from his usual oeuvre, this time engaging in a little fear mongering about the swine flu vaccine. Finally, our old friend, Dr. Rashid Buttar, the man who’s been sanctioned by the North Carolina State Medical Board (which he called a “rabid dog“) for treating cancer patients with ineffective remedies and children with autism with a wide variety of woo. including urine injections, makes an appearance with a number of videos.

Wow. That’s some lineup, don’t you think? It’s a veritable “all-star” team of anti-vaccine pseudoscience.

If any of the creators of the MVVIC were to see this, no doubt they’d accuse me of doing nothing more than flinging ad hominems. They might have a point if it weren’t for the fact that everything I’ve written goes right to the credibility of the source, specifically the NVIC. Besides, there doesn’t appear to be anything on the MVVIC about which I haven’t written science- and evidence-based analyses before, sometimes in nauseating detail. It’s all pretty much the same sort of anti-vaccine propaganda that I’ve dealt with time and time again over the last four years. Even so, the MVVIC is such a–shall we say?–target-rich environment that I think I’ll bookmark the page and keep an eye on the new material that will be showing up there in case I’m ever short of blogging material. I’ll probably end up thinking of the MVVIC as a new NaturalNews.com, only about vaccines. In other words, it looks as though it will evolve into an endless supply of antivaccine pseudoscience and paranoia, a place where I can always go whenever I need blogging material and be assured of finding some bit of pseudoscience to skewer gleefully with science.

Heck, I may even register for the private “physician area.” I’m guessing that’s where the real craziness resides.

Comments

  1. #1 Th1Th2
    September 19, 2011

    Botulinum toxin causing botulism. Again, is there anything else?

  2. #2 Narad
    September 19, 2011

    Botulinum toxin causing botulism. Again, is there anything else?

    Great. So orally ingested toxins are infections.

  3. #3 Th1Th2
    September 19, 2011

    Great. So orally ingested toxins are infections.

    If these toxins are derived from disease-causing microorganisms aka pathogens, yes it is an infection.

  4. #4 Narad
    September 19, 2011

    If these toxins are derived from disease-causing microorganisms aka pathogens, yes it is an infection.

    Define “derived from” just to be clear, if you would.

  5. #5 Th1Th2
    September 19, 2011

    Define “derived from” just to be clear, if you would.

    From whatever part or product of the pathogen that determines its virulence or infectivity.

  6. #6 Narad
    September 19, 2011

    From whatever part or product of the pathogen that determines its virulence or infectivity.

    That’s not what I asked. Does a purely synthetic toxin that also happens to be produced by a pathogen (and for which said pathogen is generally known) have the same epistemological status?

  7. #7 Th1Th2
    September 19, 2011

    That’s not what I asked. Does a purely synthetic toxin that also happens to be produced by a pathogen (and for which said pathogen is generally known) have the same epistemological status?

    In short, are you saying Botox cannot cause botulism?

  8. #8 Narad
    September 19, 2011

    In short, are you saying Botox cannot cause botulism?

    No, I’m asking you a bare-bones question.

  9. #9 Krebiozen
    September 19, 2011

    I think there is only one person who can’t see exactly where this is going.

  10. #10 Th1Th2
    September 19, 2011

    Define “same epistemological status” considering you’re comparing infection between natural and artificial source.

  11. #11 Narad
    September 19, 2011

    Define “same epistemological status” considering you’re comparing infection between natural and artificial source.

    OK, so both purely synthetic and pathogenically manufactured toxins would represent “infections” then, right?

  12. #12 Th1Th2
    September 19, 2011

    Absolutely.

  13. #13 Narad
    September 19, 2011

    Super. Now, you agree that not all toxins represent infections, yes?

  14. #14 Th1Th2
    September 19, 2011

    Super. Now, you agree that not all toxins represent infections, yes?

    Only those toxins derived from pathogens including toxins prepared synthetically. Both toxins are derived from the same parental pathogen.

  15. #15 Narad
    September 19, 2011

    Only those toxins derived from pathogens including toxins prepared synthetically. Both toxins are derived from the same parental pathogen.

    OK, so suppose one has a supply of some toxin that is of nonpathogenic origin. If one could engineer a pathogen that would produce this compound, would exposure to the previously existing toxin now constitute an infection?

  16. #16 Krebiozen
    September 19, 2011

    I was expecting a reference to invasive Saccharomyces cerevisiae infections which makes ethanol intoxication, in Thinglish, a form of infection.

  17. #17 Th1Th2
    September 19, 2011

    OK, so suppose one has a supply of some toxin that is of nonpathogenic origin. If one could engineer a pathogen that would produce this compound, would exposure to the previously existing toxin now constitute an infection?

    The result will be the same: a nonpathogenic toxin.

  18. #18 Narad
    September 19, 2011

    The result will be the same: a nonpathogenic toxin.

    You didn’t answer the question.

  19. #19 Th1Th2
    September 19, 2011

    I did. It’s nonpathogenic so what else are you going to expect from a toxin that does not cause infection or disease?

    Of course….

    Enter the Infection Promoters. So how do you make one infectious?

  20. #20 Narad
    September 19, 2011

    I did. It’s nonpathogenic so what else are you going to expect from a toxin that does not cause infection or disease?

    If production by a pathogen or not (you will note that the gedankenfrage specified this) doesn’t matter, how does the concept mediate “infection”?

  21. #21 Th1Th2
    September 19, 2011

    It has to be pathogenic that’s the reason you have vaccines.

  22. #22 Narad
    September 19, 2011

    It has to be pathogenic that’s the reason you have vaccines.

    We’re not talking about vaccines, we’re talking about toxins and “infection.” Now, I asked you whether the invention of a pathogen that would produce a toxin already known from a nonpathogenic source would change the “meaning” of the existing supply from not-representing-infection to representing-infection. You should find this to be a simple yes-or-no question, as it’s your stock-in-trade.

  23. #23 W. Kevin Vicklund
    September 19, 2011

    Thingy, is lead poisoning a disease?

  24. #24 Th1Th2
    September 19, 2011

    Go back #214. It thought that was clear enough. No, the resultant toxin will remain nonpathogenic. What are you still arguing about?

  25. #25 Narad
    September 19, 2011

    Go back #214. It thought that was clear enough. No, the resultant toxin will remain nonpathogenic.

    This still isn’t an answer to the question, but it’s in the ballpark. So, a toxin produced by a pathogen would not represent an “infection” if it were known prior to and independently of the pathogen, because of “parentage”?

  26. #26 mike
    September 23, 2011

    No one will ever talk about strong people in their “studys”, because we have a properly functioning immune system that makes things like measles, mumps, and pertussis seem like a mild sore throat or a sniffle. Strong people, uninfluenced by “modern medecine”, industrial toxins, and processed deficient foods , dont get sick. I hope for a day when ignorant followers can start to think for themselves. “insanity arises when instinct takes over for logic”

  27. #27 Gray Falcon
    September 23, 2011

    [citation needed]

  28. #28 mike
    September 23, 2011

    Citation needed for what?

  29. #29 Gray Falcon
    September 23, 2011

    Everything.

  30. #30 Gray Falcon
    September 23, 2011

    I just realized something. King Kamehameha I, the warrior who united the Hawaiian islands, died of measles, didn’t he?

  31. #31 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    September 23, 2011

    Mike,
    If you truly believe there are “strong people” who have immune systems that “makes things like measles, mumps, and pertussis seem like a mild sore throat or a sniffle”, you doubtless have some form of evidence that this is true. Please share.

    This is what “[citation needed]” means in this case.

  32. #32 Tiredofthis
    September 24, 2011

    To those of you that believe all vaccines are good for you, pay no attention to the “vaccine deniers”. Go ahead and take those vaccines, make sure all your brothers and sisters get the jabs as well, fill the little bodies of your children with all that good stuff and don’t forget Mom, Dad, Grand Ma and Grand Pa. Now give the Vaccines some time to do their thing and lets see how you feel when your kids join the increasing number of Children who are now called “mentally challenged” or maybe you already have 1 or 2 who seem abit “slow” but you are in denial, you refuse to admit that your child is “mentally challenged”.
    If you still are able to think at all, try to remember how many mentally challenged kids attended your school.

  33. #33 Gray Falcon
    September 24, 2011

    [citation needed]

  34. #34 Chris
    September 24, 2011

    Tireofthis:

    Now give the Vaccines some time to do their thing and lets see how you feel when your kids join the increasing number of Children who are now called “mentally challenged” or maybe you already have 1 or 2 who seem abit “slow” but you are in denial, you refuse to admit that your child is “mentally challenged”.

    [citation needed]

  35. #35 Chris
    September 24, 2011

    mike and Tiredofthis, you have both made statements that you have not supported with any kind of real scientific evidence. If you want us to believe what you said, instead of thinking you just pulled them out of thin air, then you must provide real scientific documentation to support your statements.

    Especially with the contentions that “Tiredofthis” made with vaccines causing more children to be mentally challenged. This is not supported by any kind of real evidence, especially since some of the main causes of neurological impacts on children include measles, Congenital Rubella Syndrom, Hib and other diseases that can cause meningitis, encephalitis and seizures (like mumps, rotavirus, etc).

    This is an example of a citation, you can find the papers by using the search box at http://www.pubmed.gov:

    Impact of specific medical interventions on reducing the prevalence of mental retardation.
    Brosco JP, Mattingly M, Sanders LM.
    Arch Pediatr Adolesc Med. 2006 Mar;160(3):302-9. Review.

    Encephalopathy after whole-cell pertussis or measles vaccination: lack of evidence for a causal association in a retrospective case-control study.
    Ray P, Hayward J, Michelson D, Lewis E, Schwalbe J, Black S, Shinefield H, Marcy M, Huff K, Ward J, Mullooly J, Chen R, Davis R; Vaccine Safety Datalink Group.
    Pediatr Infect Dis J. 2006 Sep;25(9):768-73.

  36. #36 R.C.M.
    September 24, 2011

    As far as vaccines go, to those who’ve done their research, we KNOW about the mercury in the flu vaccines and many others. We KNOW the direct result of mercury is the lowering of brain waves and function. We KNOW that, to put it simply, dumbs people down. There has been established correlation that the HIGHEST rates of cancer are in the areas with the HIGHEST rates of inoculations. Years ago, it was almost unheard of for children to have cancer, now its rampant. Personally, I haven’t had any inoculations in over 10 years. Guess how my immune system has been doing? EXCELLENT. My exposure to to other people? I live in Columbus, Ohio.. a major city. I almost never get sick. You like the flu shot? Well, then you know were you can stick it, pun intended.
    BE INFORMED. If you think your government cares about your teeth with fluoride, do your research were it was used and what for and its “side” effects, and what the AMA just recently said about fluoride. If you think your government cares about you getting sick with the flu, thus pays for its endorsement, then you believe in santa claus and the tooth fairy.
    Who are you calling yourself “old fart”? Are you trying to relate to us? Like your the average citizen? I think your another shill. Sell yourself to blog. You will leave this world to answer for your life here. Vaccinate yourself in the meantime why dont you.. and speed up the process.

  37. #37 Gray Falcon
    September 24, 2011

    You are aware that higher rates of cancer generally correlate with longer lifespans, don’t you?

  38. #38 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    September 24, 2011

    We KNOW the direct result of mercury is the lowering of brain waves and function.

    At what rate of exposure? How does that compare to the exposure from vaccines?

  39. #39 Chris
    September 24, 2011

    mike, Tiredofthis and R.C.M, why do you think posting stuff without evidence is going to convince us?

    R.C.M, are you a sock puppet of the other two guys? And did you miss us asking for citations from them?

    Why should we believe any of you?

  40. #40 Narad
    September 24, 2011

    Personally, I haven’t had any inoculations in over 10 years. Guess how my immune system has been doing? EXCELLENT.

    Your “brain waves” don’t seem to be in particularly good shape, though.

  41. #41 The Christian Cynic
    September 24, 2011

    If you still are able to think at all, try to remember how many mentally challenged kids attended your school.

    First, your personal memory isn’t a good gauge of the existence or non-existence of “mentally challenged kids” (whatever you mean by that; certainly lumping ASDs into that category is rather misguided) during your educational career. Second, it’s very likely that you won’t remember “mentally challenged” peers, depending on when you attended school, since only 20% of students with disabilities were educated in public schools before the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA). It was also in the wake of IDEA that the idea of mainstreaming or full inclusion (putting students in the “least restrictive environment”) became the standard for dealing with special needs students, which means that they are more visible now that they are being educated in public schools. As an educator, I consider that a good thing, and it doesn’t at all imply a higher prevalence of special needs or disabilities in and of itself.

  42. #42 Bronze Dog
    September 24, 2011

    We KNOW the direct result of mercury is the lowering of brain waves and function.

    Do you know why half-truths and lies of omission are considered dishonest? It’s because they don’t tell the whole truth.

    The facts you hoped no one would bring up:

    First, thimerosal is not mercury. If you have to lie in the act of defining the alleged problem, it doesn’t speak well of you. Compounds have different chemical properties than the elements that they are composed of. This is something we expect children to learn early in their education. Fifth grade for me. Table salt (Sodium Chloride), for example, is neither a highly reactive silver metal (Sodium), nor is it a highly reactive yellow-green gas (Chlorine). Heck, chlorine (the diatomic molecule, Cl2) and chloride (the negatively charged ion of chlorine, Claq.) are very different. A lungful of of the gas will kill you, but the ion makes up about 70% of your body’s negative electrolytes, and is vital for transmission of nerve signals, last I heard. These principles of chemistry are well-known facts that much of our science is founded on. Do you seriously think that it’s so easy to overturn well-tested knowledge our everyday lives now depend on?

    Second, the dose makes the poison. The damage to a person’s mental abilities depends on the dose of mercury (or other chemicals). Chemicals are not innately “toxic” or “non-toxic”. That’s a false dichotomy useful for manipulating naive people who don’t know about grays and colors. The real world is full of gradations, nuances, and probabilistic uncertainties. Blacks and whites are much less common. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you can learn to deal with the complexity.

    A chemical’s effect is dependent on its dose, and different chemicals have different dose-response curves. Even vital chemicals like water, necessary for life, can become poisonous if you drink too much. Too much water can lead to death by hyponatremia. I once had to take iron supplements to replenish my blood supply in preparation for surgery, and the pills had lots of warnings about the dangers of overdosing.

    Everyone on Earth has some mercury exposure. The difference in effect is mostly a question of how much mercury you’re exposed to and for how long. Even if the vaccine did contain raw mercury instead of a compound, the dose is still far smaller than what would be necessary to cause those effects.

    There’s also chronic exposure versus acute exposure: A huge one-time dose of mercury can cause one set of problems, but smaller exposures done repeatedly enough over longer periods of time have different effects. For chronic exposure, it’s a matter of outpacing the body’s ability to deal with the chemical.

    And no, despite what detox woos tell you, the human body is not completely helpless to prevent the build up of chemicals to toxic levels. Your liver can handle you getting drunk as a rare event just fine, but someone who gets drunk every night is likely to get cirrhosis. When people look at the doses, what you’re trying to get away with is the equivalent of saying that one drink will cause cirrhosis. There is such a thing as moderation. You can have too much of a “good” thing, and you have safe amounts of “bad” things.

    Third, autism and mercury poisoning have different effects on a person’s brain. I’ll let someone else elaborate on that, since I’ve gone on long enough, and it’s not quite on the level of common knowledge anti-vaxxers and other woos expect us to reject for no reason. (If you’re impatient, you can use Orac’s search bar.)

  43. #43 herr doktor bimler
    September 24, 2011

    to those who’ve done their research, we KNOW about the mercury in the flu vaccines and many others. We KNOW the direct result of mercury is the lowering of brain waves and function. We KNOW that, to put it simply, dumbs people down.

    You do research? I’m impressed. Which journals do you publish in? Perhaps I have seen your papers.

  44. #44 lilady
    September 24, 2011

    (Deviating from my usual cordial posting at new uninformed posters here…it seems that RCM has pressed all my buttons)

    Listen up Nasty Dullard RCM: Many of the posters here are on the Spectrum and many of the posters here have *disabled children*. Many doctors, **nurses**, chemists, biologists and others educated beyond Junior High are regulars here.

    We discuss science here…for which we provide citations from peer reviewed journals.

    It appears that you have failed to meet any of the criteria for posting here…you may have exceeded only one…my guess would be that you are a high school dropout.

    “You will leave this world to answer for your life here.”

    Does your God and your religious upbringing encourage ignorance and nastiness? How will you answer for your life here?

    * My multiply and profoundly disabled medically labile son survived for 28 years only because he had great medical care and because he had all his childhood immunizations.

    ** I am a recently retired public health nurse and I saw death and disability due to vaccine-preventable diseases; some of them needlessly suffered because of the pseudoscience ignorance of people like you.

  45. #45 Krebiozen
    September 24, 2011

    Tiredofthis,

    If you still are able to think at all, try to remember how many mentally challenged kids attended your school.

    There were only a couple at my school, but I also volunteered at a hospital for what were then described as the “mentally handicapped”. There were hundreds of mentally challenged kids and adults at that hospital, and they were always grateful for someone to play with them or talk to them. Most people were completely unaware of them, and it was only because of one particularly virtuous youth worker that I even knew they existed.

    I checked recently and the hospital has now closed. Where do you think all those children and adults, and all those that have been born since, are now?

  46. #46 Dr. Leo Rebello
    November 27, 2011

    A nut case posted your link on one of the discussion groups on Facebook and I got to read your ignorant comments of 2009 and also comments of learned and dedicated people working to save humanity while pimps of pharma mafia like you are trying to reduce the population of “useless eaters”.

    Allopathy is a bogus science, unlike Nature Cure (based on common sense), Ayurveda (5000 years old), Yoga, Acupuncture
    etc. For more details read my article WAR ON YOUR HEALTH if you wish to learn. If not, keep on exhibiting your monumental ignorance to glory and help reduce the population of Sick USA (pun intended).

    You have published parts of my revised Oath for Doctors. Here is the full version to educate those who are NOT blind, deaf or dumb like you Mr. Blogger.

    REVISED OATH FOR DOCTORS
    Oath written and administered by
    Dr. Leo Rebello
    http://www.healthwisdom.org

    This more comprehensive Oath was drawn by Dr. Leo Rebello in 2003, since Hippocrates Oath is now partly outdated being centuries old. This revised Oath has been widely circulated, accepted and appreciated.

    1st July is celebrated as Doctors Day all over the world. The day usually passes without a whimper. Many doctors have forgotten their Hippocratic oath or Humanism. Therefore, I would like to administer the following oath to the doctors to serve as a reminder as to how important is their profession. Doctors to please repeat after me.

    I, ————, do hereby swear on this solemn day that:-
    I shall not prescribe unnecessary medicines and tests to my patients;
    I shall not give false counseling;
    I shall not overcharge and accept cuts and gifts;
    I shall not rape tiny tots with mercury laced inoculations or vaccinations, for they pollute the blood stream of small children leading to serious diseases like AIDS, Cancers, Autism, etc.;
    I shall not prescribe lethal drugs, like anti-retrovirals, chemotherapy, or give ECT to my patients;
    I shall not indulge in human organ thefts to the detriment of my patients;
    I shall not be afraid of any authority and fabricate medical records or give false evidence;
    I shall not exploit students studying under me;
    I shall not manipulate findings or results to win grants or awards.

    I, ————-, further solemnly affirm that:-
    If I cannot treat a disease, I shall not say that AIDS, cancers, diabetes has no cure. But will tell the patient to try other systems of medicine.
    I shall treat health practitioners of other systems with respect and not tell deliberate lies to prove my importance.
    I shall study Holistic healing modalities to increase my knowledge and wisdom.
    I shall not even by mistake say that “HIV=AIDS=death” or cancers cannot be treated.
    I shall not frighten my patients with unnecessary comments, opinions or advice.
    I still remember what Hippocrates said, namely, “Let diet be your medicine” and shall accordingly prescribe fresh fruits, vegetables and good diet to my patients, rather than tonics, syrups, synthetic multi-vitamins, specially to children.
    I shall not perform surgery, unless it is absolutely must and will not indulge in rackets like amniocentesis, Caesarian section, silicon implant or liposuction.
    I shall work to ban the useless and cruel animal experiments in the name of medicine.
    I shall participate in periodic workshops, seminars, and conferences at my expense or on scholarship (no pharma funding) to educate myself and speak from my conscience if I am called upon to speak or preside.

    Finally, I shall not consume alcohol, smoke tobacco, or take other narcotic and psychotropic substances. As far as possible, I shall also not take animal proteins.

    I realize and aver that a great responsibility of people’s well-being is upon my shoulders and I shall carry on my onerous task with utmost dedication.

    This I swear in the name of God on this solemn Doctors Day and I shall repeat this oath daily lest I forget that I am in a divine profession to heal the world.

  47. #47 Kaye
    January 9, 2012

    I have access to a number of conventional & alternative health sites, & also through my own historical review of data, my overall opinion is that vaccines do far more harm than good, that their efficacy is questionable & that there is most definitely a corporate agenda in forcing people to be injected with them despite known risks. However, sites such as this one would have turned me against vaccines before I had even taken a look at the real facts & figures, because the whole tone of this site is so nasty, vicious and conceited that it shows itself up as having no interest in the truth or genuine debate about the evidence, but only in insulting people who hold a different opinion. Someone above writes “What an arrogant prick” & I guess that just about sums up the worth of this blogger. I feel confident he is paid by the pharmaceutical industry, through his blog, to poo poo any opposing ideas, but by gosh, he sure has gone over the top – nasty little person. I assume he has no friends in the real world, hence his desire to spit vitriole on anyone with a different point of view courtesy of his little hate kingdom on the web. I accidentally came across this in a search, and will be certain I never open anything with his name on it again.

  48. #48 Julian Frost
    January 9, 2012

    @Kaye:

    [M]y overall opinion is that vaccines do far more harm than good, that their efficacy is questionable & that there is most definitely a corporate agenda in forcing people to be injected with them despite known risks.

    Firstly, your opinion is worthless. What matters is what the data says, and the data says that getting vaccinated is far safer than getting the diseases.

    [T]he whole tone of this site is so nasty, vicious and conceited that it shows itself up as having no interest in the truth or genuine debate about the evidence, but only in insulting people who hold a different opinion.

    Tone trolling is boring.

    I feel confident he is paid by the pharmaceutical industry, through his blog, to poo poo any opposing ideas…

    Pharma Shill Gambit. How original.
    You have offered no evidence to support your comments. All you have done is make ad hominem attacks against Orac. Goodbye and good riddance.

  49. #49 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    January 9, 2012

    Kaye,
    I see your message as good evidence of confirmation bias. You disagree with Orac’s comments, you apparently can’t make a good fact-based argument against them, so you decide that they’re nasty, vicious, and conceited. One sees this a lot in political discussions, where people unable to make a good case against a position decide the proponents are callous, uncaring, dithering, evil, or communist depending on the context.

  50. #50 Ingaorama
    April 22, 2012

    And who are you? Sorry..I do not se any information about that..So you can as well be payed off by the medical mafia and you would not be the first to be bought!But usually I follow the money trail when I read some stuff..and I read between the lines your wy home is into the home of the medical maia!..Sorry if I m harsh..but so be it..

  51. #51 Chris
    April 22, 2012

    Go to the top of this page, and check what is on the left hand side. Find the words that say “Who (or what) is Orac?”, and then click on the blue letters.

  52. #52 lilady
    April 22, 2012

    I would reply to Ingaorama, but it would be useless to reason with this delusional, paranoid person from Iceland.

    Inga’s website is devoted to chemtrails.

  53. #53 Chris
    April 22, 2012

    Actually, I thought it was relevant that this person was claiming there was no information, but missed the rather obvious “Who (or what) is Orac?”.

  54. #54 janerella
    April 22, 2012

    Sigh, you know they only see what they want to see, Chris.

  55. #55 Chris
    April 22, 2012

    C’est la vie.

  56. #57 Cindy
    May 15, 2012

    I think it’s funny that Orac says he’s been at this anti-anti vax thing for a while now…5 whole years! Wow, he really must know it all. All of the doctors that he criticizes have been studying the topic a lot longer than him. This whole blog, including most of the comments I skimmed, appears very ignorant and does not at all have a tone of actually caring for people (such as not hearing a comment b/c there is no citation or just being downright rude b/c someone doesn’t have perfect grammar).

  57. #58 novalox
    May 15, 2012

    @cindy

    Concern troll much, necromancer?

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