The "American Rally for Personal [Antivaccine] Rights" metastasizes

Perhaps counter protesters with sings like:

"Vaccines are already optional"
"Mandatory vaccination is an anti-vaccine myth"

Other suggestions?

Antivax nutwackos should be allowed to be as biohazardous as they wanna be- as long as they reside in isolation wards and their diseased carcasses are incinerated onsite when they croak.

Offit made a distinction between compulsory and mandatory vaccinations in his "Vaccine War" interview. Mandatory just means that if you choose not to vaccinate, you pay a societal cost (like not being able to attend a certain school). So vaccines are in some sense "mandatory", but not compulsory (which the anti-vaxxers assert). May be nitpicking, but I find it to be a useful distinction.

With any luck, it'll rain.

@ Emil Karlsson

Thanks, it was something preying on the back of my mind. "They" keep using compulsory and mandatory indistinctly to complain how "we" want to stick them with needles against their will, but I know there was a difference.
This is exactly as you say. And this is not nitpicking, it's using the right word at the right place.

HOLD IT....

you mean the ANTI-VACCINE Insanity...

has ...GONE VIRAL?

Holy Poorly Reasoned Emotional Celebrity Objections, Batman.

Should the rally be protested?

Also: tomorrow Chicago weather: cloudy with chance of thunderstorms

@Bob

Perhaps protest is not the right word. What's a good word for "offering correct information to combat the woo spouted by the antivaxer"?

They were in Baltimore not too long ago, and I was going to go with my "All I got was not the flu" tee shirt, but the ethics committee caught on to my writing "shenanigans". I've been walking on eggshells for over a month. Anyone that knows me knows I don't like to walk on eggshells.

I wonder if I can make it to Chicago if I drive all night? (I wouldn't even go to New Jersey on a bet.)

DISCLAIMER: I neither condone nor advocate for the destruction of Dodo Bird eggs to prove my point of walking on egg shells.

How embarrassing for them that they have to go ahead with these rallies in the same week that Wakefield lost his license and a major study showed there is no benefit to delaying vaccines.

Oh, wait, they're impervious to embarrassment. When they're wrong, it's just proof in their own minds that the universe is tilted against them.

Everyone, sing along!

"All they are saaaaayiiiiiing,
is give disease a chaaaaaance."

~David D.G.

fwiw: The "seattle" one isn't actually all that close to seattle. This is nothing on the scale of the Chicago one, thank goodness. It's just at a local library of a smallish town. Still, wouldn't surprise me if this picks up in Seattle.

@Rene

Tus descargos de responsabilidad se hacen viejo y cansado. Cuando tienes el tiempo para trabajar si estas jugando con la computadora todo el dia. Yo deberia hablar con tus jefes

Aww, Rene, New Jersey isn't THAT bad. After all, I live here (although Orac left after we met....always made me wonder if I had something to do with it...LOL).

Unfortunately work has been too busy for me to take a day off to counter protest. :(

Sid: Explique su usa de la computadora en la dia que su trabaje.

How about "You'd all be dead if not for vaccines"

lo siento, viejos y cansados

Let's do try to keep the comments in the same language as the blog, out of respect for the readers.

P.S. Sid, I rather enjoy Rene's disclaimers. They show the absurdity of people trying to tie his personal opinions to his employers.

Applying their name "Americans for Personal Rights" to the anti-vax cause reminds me of how the Scientologists have their "Citizen's Commission for Human Rights" as another front group against psychiatry.

I'd love to see the rally be crashed by supporters of other personal rights, like the right for gays to marry, the right to have legal abortions without restrictions, etc. Dilute their message while promoting something that's good, amirite?

Explique su usa de la computadora en la dia que su trabaje.
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Estoy mi propio jefe asi que pudeo hacer lo que quieras con la computadora. Y yo quiero entender la mente de la vacunador y pasar tiempo con mis amigos de Respectful Insolence

Es el nombre de la jefe J.B. Handley?

I'm all for rights, just don't give responsibilities short shrift. That's what these rallies do.

Que chistoso. No. Senior Handley no es mi jefe. La verdad es mi jefe.

Si la verdad es su jefe, la verdad necesitara su encendido.

This is OT, but I'd just like to say I like the way free internet translation sites give you ridiculous sentences. (I took French in school.) The best I got is, "Is the name of JB Handley's head?"

My favorite was when someone called a phoenix a "bird of fire" and tried to translate it into Spanish. They got a phrase that literally meant "bird, you're fired!"

My favorite is the translation of people's names- if you try to translate an article from German to English, Mr.Mehlhorn becomes Mr.Flour Horn.

Fine, have your antivax personal rights, just don't enforce your nutty views on the rest of us, or on your children, who do not have the ability to make up their own mind.
But if one person becomes ill due to your malfeasance, you face civil and criminal liability. Because with personal rights comes personal responsibility. You want to endanger the public, you pay the price when it happens.

Aww, Rene, New Jersey isn't THAT bad. After all, I live here

Funny (and totally OT) that -- I was just telling $SON that he shouldn't write NJ off. He may have a line on a job there for an NCG physicist that looks up his alley.

I'm pretty sure I'm going, but I've promised my husband not to get myself in trouble, so I'm going to have to watch and stay quiet. He's afraid I'll get my head bashed in. Which I might if I follow my instincts.

Sid,

La verdad? No puede manejar la verdad.

:)

Okay, the preceding comment is the best comment ever.

Here's some ideas for how any serious "vaccine objectors" can practice their choices without making themselves a danger to public safety:
1. Spread yourselves out as thinly as possible.
2. Don't move into major urban areas.
3. DO NOT recruit.
4. Don't publicize scientific claims about vaccine safety.

If they abide by these rules, they can at least achieve the status of non-Muslims under Sharia law: detested and marginalized, but tolerated.

Also, an utterly nasty but fitting way to deal with a rally like this: Bombard them with a catapult loaded with dead rats.
Fight agents of pestilence with agents of pestilence!

dedicated lurker:

Okay, the preceding comment is the best comment ever.

De verdad!

I don't mind comments in Spanish, but the grammatically impossible Spanish is annoying.

"Estoy mi propio jefe asi que pudeo hacer lo que quieras con la computadora." I am my own boss and that way "pudeo" (unknown word, probably meant to be puedo (I can)) do what *you want* with the computer.

Geez, y'all, if you can't conjugate common irregular verbs correctly, stay out of the pozo genético.

Sid, ¿que?

kb @25:

google translate is having a fairly easy time with the non-English comments. So easy that I suspect that's where Sid is getting his Spanish to start with.

so today's metaphorical comparison and reasoning lesson is:

Real Spanish is to GOOGLE translator spanish

AS

REAL SCIENCE and LOGIC is to..... AntiVaccine rhetoric?

@sid

"La verdad es mi jefe."

bwhahahaha thanks for the laugh :P

i am confused. if you actually believe vaccination confers immunity and are vaccinated, what possible difference would it make to you if the person standing next to you had been vaccinated or not? you would be immune, and they would be sick. seems the reverse is demonstrated by the comments here, which are incredibly sick.

Vaccines are not 100% effective, and some people have particular contraindications that prevent them from getting vaccinated (e.g. too young).

Which means that, yes, anti-vax foolishness is an active threat to kill others.

"if you actually believe vaccination confers immunity and are vaccinated, what possible difference would it make to you"

Two words: Herd immunity

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity

@gillian

As already mention above, vaccines are not 100% effective, so there is a small chance that even though a person is fully vaccinated, they may not be immune. And, as Poogles mentioned, herd immunity is important to protect those who cannot be vaccinated (too young, too old, transplant recipients on immunosuppressants, cancer patients whose immune systems have been wiped out by chemo, AIDS patients, etc.).

Give a read to antiantivax.flurf.net for a primer on some of the anti-vaccine arguments and why they are wrong.

@Tsu Do Nimh #36:
Pudendum is another word for Vagina, so "Pudeo" probably means...oh, never mind.

All my spanish was my own and not babelfished, however. Any crappy grammar is my fault alone. (I think I messed up a verb tense or two.)

me puse una vacuna y ahora solo puedo escribir y pensar en espanol y caminar hacia atras

todd: "As already mention above, vaccines are not 100% effective, so there is a small chance that even though a person is fully vaccinated,"

C'mon, Todd. To use the words 100% effective and vaccines in the same sentence is disingenuous.

https://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/347/24/1909
"The effectiveness of the vaccine was 44.0 percent"

He said that vaccines weren't 100% effective - that's not disingenuous - that's a fact. If you think he's being disingenuous you're clearly stupid enough to use words you don't understand.

Wow. Telling the truth, rather than making some claim that vaccines are 100% wonderful and shiny, makes me disingenuous. And I thought that augustine didn't understand logic and science before!

It has been noted before that he is illiterate. His last comment is further proof.

The rebuttal to this movement has already been done...in 1905!

See Jacobson v Commonwealth Supreme Court of The United States. The case addressed this very question.

The SCOTUS rejected a complaint against Massachusettsâs compulsory vaccination law that it said infringed the âinherent right of every freeman to care for his own body and health in such way as seems to him best.ââ

Whatever Jacobsonâs right to care for himself, he had none to impose risks on his fellow citizens.

It is settled law since then.

The End!

What concerns me the most is the amount of research that is completed on these vaccines. I've worked for two corporations that made vaccines. What was considered success concerned me. A vaccine was considered successful if 30% percent of a group would show an antigen reaction when challenged with the virus or bacteria. Now that didn't mean they could fight of the virus or bacteria, just that their would be an immune response. In viewing this, people are seeing why even though they got the vaccine, they are still getting sick. When I gave vaccines in the military, the personnel would ask me " Why am I getting this shot? I'm going to get sick anyway." I would have to keep my mouth shut. I'm really not fond of the what they use to kill the virus or vaccine and then inject into us. Their effectiveness is just not proven on large studies.

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