Respectful Insolence

The day is here. Time to throw the switch.

What do I mean? I’ve been mentioning that I wanted to turn on the option that states, “Comment author must have a previously approved comment.” What that means is that any new commenter’s first comment will automatically go to moderation. I’ll approve it (unless it’s spam or I suspect it’s a sockpuppet), and then you’ll be able to comment normally. The reason I want to turn this option on is to make it more difficult for morphing sockpuppets to disrupt the conversation. I’m also tired of so much spam getting through.

Never having used this option before after a blog has been in existence for a while, I don’t rightly know whether those of you who have been commenting all along will suddenly find their first comments after this option is turned on thrown into purgatory, which is why I decided to flip this particular switch on a Saturday. I know that between working on grants and not being in meetings, that I’ll be able to monitor the blog frequently using my computer and the WordPress app for my iPhone and quickly release the comments of my regulars from purgatory. Of course, it’s possible that those of you who have already commented before I flipped the switch will continue to be able to do so without my approving your first comment, which would be a relief for me.

So, regular commenters (and not-so-regular commenters), let’s begin what will hopefully be the last major functional change (other than starting to fix up the appearance of the new blog), and the best way I can think of to do this is to declare this a weekend open thread!

Comments

  1. #1 Mu
    June 2, 2012

    With the long wish list of functionality still lacking in SB I hope it’s not the last major functional change.

  2. #2 MikeMa
    June 2, 2012

    So this comment should generate a mandatory approval? Lets hope this works!

  3. #3 Orac
    June 2, 2012

    Woo-hoo! It looks as though if you’ve commented here before, I won’t have to approve it, even with this option turned on. I didn’t approve either of your comments. Only new commenters will have their first comment held for moderation. Hopefully this’s feature will cut down on morphing trolls and sockpuppets. And, best of all, none of the spam is getting through.

  4. #4 MI Dawn
    June 2, 2012

    Well, either this will be trapped, and you release me, or it will go right through.

    Either way, it’s OK.

    (Just wish killfile worked…I miss being able to block Thingy’s drooling)

    And I don’t like this posting too quickly comment – seems if you trigger it once, it never resets, considering the last comment I posted was 2 days ago, and my second triggered this alert which won’t go away and won’t let me comment…

  5. #5 Marry Me, Mindy
    June 2, 2012

    I’m working this week to re-establish some Hubby Cred. For the last ca. 4 years, we have been in the parent mode, and I feel that I have lost my husband-pizzaz. So this weekend of the wife’s birthday, I am going as all out as ever. We made a cake on Thurs – the Gurg insisted that she wanted a cake with Randall on it (from Monsters, Inc). Since Monsters Inc stuff is hard to find in the local party stores, I did it by hand. Gotta say, I pulled it off. Made a great cake with an awesome Randall, a damn good Mike Roskowski, and a passable Sully. All done by hand with my own frosting and food coloring, and a knife and toothpicks. None of this fancy cake-decorating tools for me! Not bad for someone with no artistic ability and who struggles at simply frosting a cake.

    Then tonight we are doing a surprise dinner with a few of her friends. It’s not a landmark b-day or anything, so she wouldn’t expect anything. I did have one of her friends invite her to dinner just to make sure she will go to the restaurant, but she doesn’t know that her other friends are going to be there, too. I’ve never done a surprise party before, so she is completely unaware (and I am playing the part well, acting really dumb about even meeting the friends she knows are going to be there).

    Will have been married 20 years later this summer, so I figure its time to do something special.

    Now if we can only figure out a way to have someone watch the kids so we can get away for a night for our 20th anniversary. It doesn’t look promising.

  6. #6 DLC
    Where the Woodbine Twineth.
    June 2, 2012

    Well, if this goes through, phase one of my plan to take over the world will be complete.
    It’s a simple plan. Phase one, get a comment up on Respectful Insolence.
    Phase two : steal all the underpants.
    Phase three . . .
    Phase four, take over the world. And those silly aliens from glaxopharmacorpcon will never be the wiser! Oh, but I need some Sharks. with frikken lasers on their heads.

  7. #7 Lawrence
    June 2, 2012

    Still wish the sidebar would update normally for me.

  8. #8 Skeptico
    June 2, 2012

    It’ll be interesting to see if the spam is reduced.

  9. #9 Dianne
    June 2, 2012

    Hi. Just seeing if I count as spam or not.

  10. #10 chezjake
    June 2, 2012

    It’s a long time since I commented here, so we’ll see what happens.

    BTW, when apprising the SB overlords of things that need fixing, none of the links to current SB entries appearing on scienceblogging.org work – they all yield an SB “Page Not Found” error. It seems none of those links include the specific blog in the URL. Example – the link given for this blog entry is: http://scienceblogs.com/2012/06/02/time-to-throw-the-switch-open-thread/

  11. #11 Martin
    June 2, 2012

    Have I commented here before or will this linger in moderation?

    Only the Shadow Knows.

    Oh, and keep up the good fight against anti-vaxxers and woo-merchants.

    BTW New Sb problems:
    1) Needs two links when viewing a post, viz “Previous Post” and “Next Post”.
    2) Post previews need a comment count.
    3) Post previews need to be variable in length so that the author can decide the “fold point”.
    4) “Last 24 Hours” needs to show all recent posts, sorted with the most recent first. Another link could take you to the way the page is currently laid out.

  12. #12 Todd W.
    http://harpocratesspeaks.com
    June 2, 2012

    Close your eyes and imagine that this is some amazingly witty statement.

  13. #13 Antaeus Feldspar
    June 2, 2012

    It’s still problematic not having visible comment numbers or visible links to comments. On the plus side, yay for cutting down on spam!

    ETA: Apparently this won’t eliminate the “posting too fast” errors. FYWP.

  14. #14 shawmutt
    Greencastle, PA
    June 2, 2012

    This wasn’t my first comment, and it won’t be my last (although I rarely have anything to add to the discussion)

    And it told me I’m posting my first comment too fast?

  15. #15 Matt F
    June 2, 2012

    I don’t comment that often, but let see if this second comment get the you are commenting too fast.

  16. #16 Orac
    June 2, 2012

    So far all the spam is getting held for moderation. There’s still a lot (dozens every few hours), but at least it doesn’t show up. I just have to select it all and send it to the spam filter every so often.

  17. #17 Rebecca
    Israel
    June 2, 2012

    Let’s see if this shows up without moderation. I don’t comment very often, but I do read Orac faithfully, and I’ve learned a lot from this blog about the process of scientific discovery.

  18. #18 Scottynuke
    June 2, 2012

    @Marry Me, Mindy

    Go git ‘er, dude! Mindy (or her real name) should be properly impressed!

    And now back to our regularly scheduled Insolence. :-)

  19. #19 SWT
    June 2, 2012

    Can’t remember the last time I commented here, but this is one of my favorite blogs!

  20. #20 jrkrideau
    June 2, 2012

    Well, let’s give it a try. I’m not posting from my regular machine but it looks like it will make it judging by the other posters’ success .

  21. #21 Denice Walter
    June 2, 2012

    So now we know what will happen to the regulars and the spammers but what about……((shudder)).. *the Others*?

    Moving right along:
    Jake’s newest has generated scads of comments @ AoA…
    Tales of drinking and enablement @ AutismOne ( including gawking celebs- like Jake) are recounted @ TMR..

    Currencies and markets hit the skids on Friday
    Woo-based and anti-vax websites hit the skids every day.

    i’m off on my way to a very strange place- which I cannot disclose- where the main activity involves wasting large sums of money. Somebody has to do it: it may as well be us.

  22. #22 Landru
    http://minionses.blogspot.com
    June 2, 2012

    Hmm. I got the “posting too fast” message even though I haven’t commented since the site moved to WordPress, and it doesn’t appear that comment got through. Or Orac moved me to spam, which…well, I’d just have to respect that, wouldn’t I?

  23. #23 Liz Ditz
    somewhere over the rainbow
    June 2, 2012

    Hey Denice what happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas

    I do like the not waiting for URL-heavy comments to post.

  24. #24 Denice Walter
    June 2, 2012

    @ Liz:
    No, not that ((shudder)) place..
    This is more just about buying things and paying ridiculous prices for moderately decent dinners.

  25. #25 Andreas Johansson
    June 2, 2012

    I seem to recall I’ve posted something since the Great Redesign, but let’s make sure.

  26. #26 Johnny
    The antique computer
    June 2, 2012

    Well, I seldom surf on this computer, and it doesn’t have the magic cookies to allow the “Recent Insolence returned” to update (most recent comments are from May23), so this seems like a good time to fix that problem, and get my name in the queue.

  27. #27 Landru
    http://minionses.blogspot.com
    June 2, 2012

    So what I wanted to say was this: Happy 12th Birthday to Bam-Bam, the stepson who got me into this world, made me a regular Orac reader, and caused me to apply what I already knew about evidence-based medicine to my understanding of his place on the spectrum and how best to help him toward the best life I can.

  28. #28 Ren
    If this is Saturday, this must be Omaha.
    June 2, 2012

    Checking in. On my way to an epidemiology conference in Omaha, Nebraska. If “they” really want to “bring the US Public Health System to it’s knees”, they could give us food poisoning in Omaha this week.

    Watch it happen and I’ll be the one in trouble.

  29. #29 Glaxxon PharmaCOM Terrabase DIA
    Adrift in the Glittering Pinwheel
    June 2, 2012

    MESSAGE BEGINS———————-

    Minion Landru:
    I lower my crest and raise a battleclaw in honour of your hatchling’s natal day. No matter the myriad differences between our species (subjugator/subjugated, endotherm/ectotherm, tomato/tomahto) our fierce devotion to our offspring binds us momentarily in unison as members of a precious-rare club. We are all just particles of the thin veneer of living scum that coats a few of the rocks in this vast, icy, glittering pinwheel.

    I said momentarily. Now, back to work.

    Lord Draconis Zeneca, VH7iHL

    Foreward Mavoon of the Great Fleet, Pharmaca Magna of Terra, Best Dad in the Corpus (has cup to prove it)

    Glaxxon PharmaCOM Terrabase DIA
    011101011101010101011111100000001101011000010101

  30. #30 Kincowie
    June 2, 2012

    hi Orac, does this switch flipping also explain the change to those of us who use a reader to get our dose of insolence? We used to have a link to “read more…” but this has disappeared. No more frisson of teased joy. Just two sentences.

  31. #31 Pareidolius
    Sonoma County, The Heart of the Axis of Me-ville™
    June 2, 2012

    Landru,

    I am moved by your post. Aside from an almost fanatical devotion to our blinky, cybernetic host, I believe it is the well being of Bam-Bam and all his sisters and brothers on the spectrum that keeps us coming back for more.

    That, and being right . . . and batting thingy around.

  32. #32 sophia8
    June 2, 2012

    Oh well, time for me to try.
    I notice that links to spam comments are still listed in the sidebar, even after the spam comments themselves have been deleted. Time to eat a few more web minions?

  33. #33 Philip
    June 2, 2012

    I had an error just now saying “You’re posting comments too quickly. Slow down.”

    Anyone have any idea? I was going to post a link to a hilarious English-to-N00bish translator I found, so maybe that was the problem?

  34. #34 Candy
    June 2, 2012

    Hello? Hello? Is this thing on?

  35. #35 Catherina
    at home in bed
    June 2, 2012

    does thing mind links? Has anyone tried whether this counts as spam? In any case – this is our blog, for lack of a more intelligent comment

    http://justthevax.blogspot.com

  36. #36 Orac
    June 2, 2012

    Yes.

  37. #37 Nashira
    June 2, 2012

    This seems like a good time to humorously gripe. ;) I got hooked on RI and the SBM blog, and now I can’t stand my former disabled women’s support group because it’s all “chronic lyme” this and “homeopathy” that and god forbid you bring the logic. (Apparently Dara O Briain’s bit about nutritionists et al is “abusive”.)

    Ah well. Knowing I’m right and they’re wrong is pretty awesome, and I don’t feel bad any more for having my trigeminal neuralgia under control instead of being miserable 24/7. So, thanks.

  38. #38 bad poet
    June 2, 2012

    Hoping for numbered posts eventually…

  39. #39 AdamG
    Not a big truck but a series of tubes
    June 2, 2012

    I’m off to volunteer at our department’s booth for the big Science Expo here in Seattle. Locals, come to Seattle Center and stop by the Genome Sciences booth to say hi! Unfortunately the Expo also includes a booth from Bastyr (a naturopathy school) where you can “Discover how your body and our community can be healthy and happy using smart nutrition, holistic natural medicine and gentle acupuncture.” So I guess it’s really a ‘Science’ Expo.

  40. #40 LAB
    United States
    June 2, 2012

    I rarely comment, but reading RI comment threads is a favorite pastime.

  41. #41 Kelly M Bray
    The cooler side of Hell
    June 2, 2012

    In celebration of the end of Spam…..

    Man: You sit here, dear.

    Wife: All right.

    Man: Morning!

    Waitress: Morning!

    Man: Well, what’ve you got?

    Waitress: Well, there’s egg and bacon; egg sausage and bacon; egg and spam; egg bacon and spam; egg bacon sausage and spam; spam bacon sausage and spam; spam egg spam spam bacon and spam; spam sausage spam spam bacon spam tomato and spam;

    Vikings: Spam spam spam spam…

    Waitress: …spam spam spam egg and spam; spam spam spam spam spam spam baked beans spam spam spam…

    Vikings: Spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam!

    Waitress: …or Lobster Thermidor a Crevette with a mornay sauce served in a Provencale manner with shallots and aubergines garnished with truffle pate, brandy and with a fried egg on top and spam.

    Wife: Have you got anything without spam?

    Waitress: Well, there’s spam egg sausage and spam, that’s not got much spam in it.

    Wife: I don’t want ANY spam!

    Man: Why can’t she have egg bacon spam and sausage?

    Wife: THAT’S got spam in it!

    Man: Hasn’t got as much spam in it as spam egg sausage
    and spam, has it?

    Vikings: Spam spam spam spam… (Crescendo through next few lines…)

    Wife: Could you do the egg bacon spam and sausage without the spam then?

    Waitress: Urgghh!

    Wife: What do you mean ‘Urgghh’? I don’t like spam!

    Vikings: Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!

    Waitress: Shut up!

    Vikings: Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!

    Waitress: Shut up! (Vikings stop) Bloody Vikings! You can’t have egg bacon spam and sausage without the spam.

    Wife: I don’t like spam!

    Man: Sshh, dear, don’t cause a fuss. I’ll have your spam. I love it. I’m having spam spam spam spam spam spam spam beaked beans spam spam spam and spam!

    Vikings: Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam!
    Waitress: Shut up!! Baked beans are off.

    Man: Well could I have her spam instead of the baked beans then?

    Waitress: You mean spam spam spam spam spam spam… (but it is too late and the Vikings drown her words)

    Vikings: (Singing elaborately…) Spam spam spam spam. Lovely spam! Wonderful spam! Spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam spa-a-a-a-a-am spam. Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Lovely spam! Spam spam spam spam!

  42. #42 Gabby
    Nether Regions
    June 2, 2012

    I haven’t posted in quite a while. Let’s see how this goes.

  43. #43 johnV
    June 2, 2012

    well, my first comment in like 20 hours and I get the “you’re posting too fast” warning……..

  44. #44 Kristjan Wager
    Copenhagen, Denmark
    June 2, 2012

    Not commenting much these days, but I’d like the option….

  45. #45 Chemmomo
    Slow Down You're Posting Too Fast! (that was last night)
    June 2, 2012

    I guess here’s where I mention again:

    Why is system without a Preview function set to complain to a user who wants to post a correction?

  46. #46 Shay
    June 2, 2012

    Kelly, figure out a way to bring in the Spanish Inquisition!

  47. #47 Mark Thorson
    June 2, 2012

    When I took neuroanatomy at Berkeley in the mid-1970’s, Prof. Diamond said lobotomy was practiced more often in the Soviet Union. She said they considered it to be getting at the root of the problem.

    There was at least one conference on insulin shock in the 1960’s, so I don’t think it’s accurate to say that the 1953 paper killed it. Since the essential feature of insulin shock is seizure induction, I don’t see why it would be considered any less effective than electroshock. My understanding is that insulin shock died out because it was a) more expensive than electroshock, and b) had a higher mortality than electroshock, though the mortality was still very low.

  48. #48 Kelly M Bray
    The cooler side of Hell
    June 2, 2012

    No one would expect that!

  49. #49 Kelly M Bray
    The cooler side of Hell
    June 2, 2012

    Reg: I don’t know! – Mr. Wentworth just told me to come in here and say that there was trouble at the mill, that’s all – I didn’t expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition!

    [the door flies open and in come three Cardinals in red robes]

    Cardinal Ximinez: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition! Our chief weapon is surprise!… Surprise and fear… fear and surprise… Our two weapons are fear and surprise… and ruthless efficiency! Our three weapons are fear, and surprise, and ruthless efficiency… and an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope… Our four… no… Amongst our weapons… Hmf… Amongst our weaponry… are such elements as fear, surpr… I’ll come in again.

    [They leave]

    Reg: [gamely] I didn’t expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition.

    [They burst in again]

    Ximinez: NOBODY expects the Spanish Inquisition!… Amongst our weaponry are such diverse elements as: fear, surprise, ruthless efficiency, an almost fanatical devotion to the Pope, and nice red uniforms – Oh damn!

  50. #50 Vicki
    June 2, 2012

    Testing.

    I have a couple of email addresses I use regularly–one is a vanity domain and it redirects to the other. I’m hoping that won’t cause problems if I accidentally click the wrong one from the pulldown menu here, which is Firefox trying to track what I’ve posted with, including on other WordPress sites. (This is the same username with two different domain names.)

  51. #51 Kelly M Bray
    The cooler side of Hell
    June 2, 2012

    Testing, testing……..

    “My hovercraft is full of eels!”

    Testing, testing……..

    OK, the filter works…. back to working on my house.

  52. #52 sceptinurse
    My Comfy Chair
    June 2, 2012

    Don’t comment often but do like to be able to.

  53. #53 Annie Goodwin
    Dedicated to fighting anti-vax nonsense all across the world
    June 2, 2012

    Hi there everybody!

    Yes, I’d like the preview function back. A little less insistent on the numbering, as the time & date stamp function pretty well.

  54. #54 herr doktor bimler
    Why this is hell, nor am I out of it
    June 2, 2012

    none of the spam is getting through.

    Great improvement for the commentariat. Of course Orac still has to plough through the spam checking for genuine comments…

  55. #55 Chris
    In the basement with old computer...
    June 2, 2012

    So this is what I see on the right hand side on the ancient PC that I use for finances (it does have to be speedy):

    Recent Insolence returned
    desktop on Another defense of the antivaccine propaganda “documentary” The Greater Good from the San Ramon Valley Unified School District
    Stu on PAPupuncture? On the rebranding of regional anesthesia as acupuncture
    Travis on “Plausibility bias”? Try “reality bias” when it comes to clinical trials.
    Narad on And so it continues…

  56. #56 dingo199
    June 2, 2012

    So to see what happens……….. and check I don’t get the “you are posting too fast” stupid.

  57. #57 dingo199
    June 2, 2012

    PS I am not a sock – I used to be dt, but this is my wordpress id

  58. #58 Autismum
    http://autismum.com/
    June 2, 2012

    Was reading this yesterday and thought of [insert name here]
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18282277

  59. #59 the bug guy
    June 2, 2012

    Testing…testing…

    I don’t remember commenting since the switch, so this will probably be the held for moderation post.

  60. #60 Poe2Go
    June 2, 2012

    Can you let Th1Th2 in for just a couple of posts a day, please? I will miss it.

  61. #61 Chris
    Trying not to fall asleep while doing finances...
    June 2, 2012

    Poe2Go, just hope over to http://shotofprevention.com/. She is making an appearance there, and being densely surreal. You might enjoy it.

  62. #62 mikel
    June 2, 2012

    Daily reader, infrequent commenter so here goes. While I’m at it I vote to cast Thingy and Rob Hood into The Pit Of Moderation never to be heard from again.

  63. #63 Kim Wombles
    United States
    June 2, 2012

    It’s going to take some getting used to this new format.

  64. #64 W. Kevin Vicklund
    http://missingthepoint.wordpress.com/
    June 2, 2012

    Activating home computer for sidebar updates

  65. #65 Narad
    June 2, 2012

    So far all the spam is getting held for moderation. There’s still a lot (dozens every few hours), but at least it doesn’t show up. I just have to select it all and send it to the spam filter every so often.

    As I’ve mentioned before, shitcanning anything that is submitted directly without a referrer will take care of this problem. Has the crack IT squad determined that persistence in marking this stuff for Akismet will take care of it some day in the sweet by-and-by? If so, they’re wrong.

  66. #66 Matt F
    June 2, 2012

    Had to get a new phone, so just activating the sidebar, hopefully.

  67. #67 adelady
    city of wine and roses
    June 2, 2012

    Sidebar comment updates. I’ve noticed that these are also skew-whiff on another couple of the overlords sites.

    otoh, this is yet another new computer since I blew up my hard drive a couple of days ago, so it might just be me.

  68. #68 a-non
    June 2, 2012

    I don’t post often. But when I do I post, it’s on Respectful Insolence.

    Stay scientific, my friends.

  69. #69 david
    June 2, 2012

    I don’t post often either. In fact, I post so rarely that my posts must be very very potent.

  70. #70 JenBPhillips
    June 2, 2012

    One does not simply walk into Mordor RI

  71. #71 novalox
    June 2, 2012

    Still learning how to navigate this new format.

  72. #72 Aunt Benjy
    Dunedin NZ
    June 2, 2012

    I don’t post often, and not since the new format.

    Testing…

  73. #73 Sastra
    June 2, 2012

    Still no preview function, I see.

  74. #74 Mark M
    United Kingdom
    June 2, 2012

    Testing, testing…

    Second the vote for numbered posts.

  75. #75 Antaeus Feldspar
    June 2, 2012

    A reminder: some of you who miss the numbered posts CAN see them if your browser allows you to turn off style sheets. Those of us on iPads, though, don’t seem to have that option.

    Apparently some people know how to get the sidebar to update; how are you doing that?

  76. #76 Kelly M Bray
    The cooler side of Hell
    June 2, 2012

    I am trying to find some good PubMed papers on herd immunity. Any suggestion on ones that can be considered gold standard? I have reply to a twit who says there are no papers showing that it really works. I tried the blog search function but it is very confusing and will take me some time to figure out how to use the results

  77. #77 Lynn Wilhelm
    June 2, 2012

    I haven’t commented in a long time so I’ll probably end up in limbo for a bit.
    I may not have time to comment these days, but I still like to hang around.

  78. #78 Chris
    Doing dinner cleanup...
    June 2, 2012

    AF:

    Apparently some people know how to get the sidebar to update; how are you doing that?

    First by commenting, which is primarily why I commented from my old computer used for finances in the basement (note: I don’t do money stuff on laptops, and who would steal an eight year old desktop). That is the comment where I list what is one the sidebar.

    The cookies created seem to make the sidebar update.

  79. #79 Kelly M Bray
    The cooler side of Hell
    June 2, 2012

    Firefox..Windows 7

    View, then click no style.

  80. #80 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    Pining for the fjords
    June 2, 2012

    Apropos of nothing, isn’t the transit of Venus a surveyors’ instrument?

  81. #81 Kelly M Bray
    The cooler side of Hell
    June 2, 2012

    I like cookies as much as the next person, preferably white chocolate chip. Making shell comments to trip the sidebar function is a lot of work.

  82. #82 Narad
    June 2, 2012

    I have reply to a twit who says there are no papers showing that it really works.

    “Works”? The herd effect is a mathematical consequence, so the empirical angle is the accuracy of the inputs. I suppose you could start here and go poking around where the references lead.

  83. #83 Kelly M Bray
    The cooler side of Hell
    June 3, 2012

    Thanks

  84. #84 Narad
    June 3, 2012

    @Kelly: These are also fun if one wants to see the effect of twiddling the knobs. There are more out there.

  85. #85 Chemmomo
    The Comfy Chair
    June 3, 2012

    Kelly, I don’t have a paper on herd immunity, but the one on chicken pox in Pediatrics shows it quite nicely. No deaths from varicella in children under 1 year old since 2004, and it’s not because those kids are vaccinated against it. And the article’s available for free:
    http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2011/07/21/peds.2010-3385.full.pdf

    There’s also a good review at The Vaccine Times in Oct 2011 (I’m not going to link since I’m already in moderation on a different thread) with a link to a rotavirus paper.

    Good luck!

  86. #86 Kelly M Bray
    The cooler side of Hell
    June 3, 2012

    If anyone would like to have some fun, there is debate about AB2019 at the Mercury News site. Liz Ditz posted it as link to the article and the comments section. There are the usual idiots posting….but the best is that the Refusers popped up there to comment. I have a migraine and I can’t do anything until the morning, but if anyone is bored and wants some entertainment………

  87. #88 Liz Ditz
    http://lizditz.typepad.com
    June 3, 2012

    Thanks Kelly M. Bray — I forgot to check the danged comments over there.

    I’m about to fall asleep after a day of Citizen Activism (walking precincts for a local school-funding issue) and grandchild wrangling.

    I’ll see what I can do in the aye emm. Or Ack Emma.

  88. #89 Niche Geek
    Great White North
    June 3, 2012

    Nothing to read here… just updating another machine

  89. #90 KatTheEngineer
    www.engineersotherlife.com
    June 3, 2012

    I love reading this blog, despite rarely commenting. New Zealand is as infested as anywhere else, with regard to non-rational thinking. Thanks for being a bright spot for thinking people to congregate!

  90. #91 Autistic Lurker
    June 3, 2012

    Today, I brewed an Imperial IPA for a friends. My refractometer could not tell me the wort gravity because it scaled from 1.000 to 1.070 and the wort (according to my software) was estimated to be at 1.100 initial gravity.

    I brewed for a 2 gallons fermenter with 3.2 gallons of water, 1kg of light dry malt extract, 500 grams of amber dry malt extract and 1kg of caramel 40 malted grain.

    I added 50g of Northern brewers hops at the mark of 45 minutes remaining boiling times (the wort needed to boil an hour), then, 25 gram of E.K. Golding hops at 15 minutes remaining and another 25 gram at 5 minutes for a total IBU of 103 (most commercial beer have an IBU of 5 to 10, stouts have 30-40 and this is a log scale).

    final gravity is estimated at 1.026 with an alcohol by volume of 9.8%.

    The yeast is fresh from a batch of 300L fermenter and have 1 or 2 generation in the fermenter.

    should be ready in a month and a half (3 weeks in the fermenter with a cool down of 24 hours in a fridge, then 3 weeks _at least_ in bottles, at most, 2 years).

    Cheer,
    A.L.

  91. #92 Adam C.
    June 3, 2012

    Glad to see they’ve stopped the woo ads that prolifered briefly after the switchover. Still hate sans serif fonts for reading, though – they’re very unfriendly to poor eyesight.

  92. #93 Robert S.
    June 3, 2012

    I haven’t commented in quite a while, wonder if this will go through.

  93. #94 Sami
    June 3, 2012

    Hello, I’m also just seeing if I can comment, really. I promise I’m not a spambot. I’m allergic to bananas. If I were a spambot I wouldn’t be allergic to bananas.

  94. #95 Darwy
    Røde grøde med fløde
    June 3, 2012

    I’m just commenting to complain about the biotic ligand model for Daphnia magna.

    That, and I ran out of potassium dichromate in the lab.

    I should also add that I can’t remember how to do italics on the forum so pardon my not having italicized my Daphnia. Poor little water fleas.

  95. #96 Michelle
    Canberra, Australia
    June 3, 2012

    Hi all,
    I have never posted to RI before so this is a test to see.if Oracle approves me. I have been lurking for about 2 years I think and love RI and really appreciate all the dedicated and anti woo commentators. Good news lately here in OZ is that the West Australian state goverent was.persuaded to continue free pertussis shots for families of newborns after announcing they would stop the programme ;-)

  96. #97 John Phillips, FCD
    June 3, 2012

    Just testing, I don’t comment often, mainly because by the time I get to a thread, the regulars have done so to such effect that anything I added would largely be redundant.

  97. #98 Den!s
    Canada
    June 3, 2012

    tried to post last night, got an error msg that i was trying to post too quickly

  98. #99 Agashem
    Somewhere near Gananoque
    June 3, 2012

    Just making sure I can make it through all right (or is that alright? I am not sure if alright really exists, all right?)

  99. #100 Opus
    June 3, 2012

    Haven’t posted in a while, so just checking. . .

  100. #101 Anj
    June 3, 2012

    This is my token First Comment. I read often, comment rarely.

    Hello everyone!

  101. #102 Old Rockin' Dave
    June 3, 2012

    Kelly, I call unfair. By posting the entire spam sketch you prevented the rest of us from making any related comments involving that word, and now the joke I planned to make is pining for the fjords.

  102. #103 t_p_hamilton
    June 3, 2012

    Very clever ploy to get people to comment who rarely do. Well played!

  103. #104 machintelligence
    Denver CO
    June 3, 2012

    Ignore the device behind the curtain.

  104. #105 Narad
    June 3, 2012

    Just getting the recent comments to updata.

  105. #106 Mojo
    June 3, 2012

    @Philip (and Den!s)

    I had an error just now saying “You’re posting comments too quickly. Slow down.”

    I got one of those on (I think) the Quackometer blog the other day. It obviously hasn’t seen my type.

    Anyway, just posting to see if this shows up.

  106. #107 Mojo
    June 3, 2012

    Obviously, that should be “Me type” at the end, not “my type”.

    I miss the preview function.

  107. #108 Rjaye
    June 3, 2012

    Ni!

  108. #109 Adam C.
    June 3, 2012

    Alright is correct, and follows the same pattern and prefix found in words such as altogether, although, and so on. There’s a random effort to declare it incorrect in recent years, for no readily apparent reason.

    Also, I just got a “posting comments too quickly” message, despite my last comment being last night. Buggy as hell this comment system is.

  109. #110 Tony Ryan - Coffee Loving Skeptic
    June 3, 2012

    I don’t know what a sockpuppet is, so I’m asking it in the comments, which might be sockpuppetry, but I don’t know!?

  110. #111 Biblia
    notgodzone
    June 3, 2012

    Love my RI, hope this will do the cookie thing. Finding the whole wordpress thing frustrating! Not able to roam around the way I used to! Arggh!

  111. #112 gruebait
    June 3, 2012

    I could swear I’ve seen this movie before…

  112. #113 Phoenix Woman
    The currently-pleasant tundra
    June 3, 2012

    “(Just wish killfile worked…I miss being able to block Thingy’s drooling)”

    Me, too. There was a version of killfile that worked on very old (2006 era) versions of WordPress, but none currently extant work on any modern WP version. Sigh.

  113. #114 Marziah Karch
    June 3, 2012

    I’m commenting just to get through mod, but I did recommend your blog here: http://www.wired.com/geekmom/2012/05/mayim-bialik-disappoints/

  114. #115 Mattand
    June 3, 2012

    Testing 1, 2, 3. Hellooooo, Cleveland!

  115. #116 Denice Walter
    June 3, 2012

    Although the recently beseiged city of Chicago is still reeling** from Autism One’s devastating assault last weekend, within 2 weeks another wave of pseudo-science will crash upon it in the form of the Health Freedom Expo. Shall there be no mercy?

    The gathering of the woos will include anti-vaxxers, Canaries, HIV/AIDS denialists, misinformationists Bell, Noory and Trudeau, health freedom fighter MIke Adams, alt meddlers Carolyn Dean and Robert O. Young, Chinese and Indian quackery, AJW, the Geiers, anti-FDA attorney Jonathan Emord ( a one-man ANH) and a play list of documentaries that would be enough to stop any self-respecting sceptic in his or her tracks. For 45 USD, a person be subjected to all manner of facsimile medicine, ersatz science and nonsense for 3 days, luncheon extra.

    ** if a large city can reel.

  116. #117 Denice Walter
    June 3, 2012

    Addendum:

    When I say,”stop in their tracks”, I do not in any way, shape or form intend to imply that sceptics will be *stopped* by this rancorous display of blithering idiocy: no, I just mean they’ll stop momentarily, scratch their collectives heads and say- “Oh f@ck, that’s breathtakingly stupid!” or suchlike.

    Sceptics aren’t easily discouraged.

  117. #118 Dave
    June 3, 2012

    FWIW, I have not commented on insolence since the changeover. I have commented elsewhere in sciblogs, and have commented occasionally here prior to the change.

    Do I end up in moderation or not?

  118. #119 Dave
    June 3, 2012

    hmmmm…. no notice of moderation.

  119. #120 Kitto
    Sydney, Australia
    June 3, 2012

    I read RI each time a new post comes out, but rarely comment. I’d just like to say thanks to all the commenters for making this blog a great read (even though it’s great already)

  120. #121 RetroPastiche
    Australia
    June 3, 2012

    I’m a regular reader, but haven’t commented as yet. As a frequenter and fan of the Stop the AVN facebook page, I’m enraged by the actions of Meryl Dorey and Judy Wilyman over the past few days in their harassment of a grieving family (the McCaffereys). Please excuse the links, but this vile behaviour deserves the sort of Insolence only Orac and his readers can express.

    http://reasonablehank.com/2012/06/03/judy-wilyman-and-meryl-dorey-as-low-as-it-goes/

  121. #122 ausduck
    outback
    June 3, 2012

    Not one to make comments usually, as the regulars usually cover what I want to say so much better than I can.
    And I see someone beat me to the Monty Python spam reference, curses!

  122. #123 Mattand
    Park Row, Gotham City
    June 3, 2012

    @Denice Walter:

    I hope there’s chem trail nutters there. I find them entertaining, for some reason.

  123. #124 Cath of Canberra
    http://thecanberracook.blogspot.com
    June 4, 2012

    testing, testing 1,2,3

  124. #125 ChrisP
    June 4, 2012

    Just the usual post to get past the equipment.

  125. #126 ChrisKid
    June 4, 2012

    Let’s just put this here before I go to bed. I’ll check back tomorrow to see if it made it through with no trouble.
    ‘night, all.

  126. #127 Narad
    June 4, 2012

    There’s a random effort to declare it incorrect in recent years, for no readily apparent reason.

    I suppose that depends on what one considers to be “recent years.” My 1944 Fowler craps all over it, for better or worse. MW10 is predictably indifferent. CMOS 15 (a deplorable revenue-raising effort if ever there was one) tepidly suggests “avoid.” The 1957 Partridge Usage and Abusage has the most detailed condemnation that I’m aware of offhand.Mind you, I’m not necessarily endorsing it, but the latter observation is that there is no circumstance in which one would actually use “all ready” to mean already, nor “all most” for almost.

  127. #128 B
    In front of the display and keyboard, beside the mouse
    June 4, 2012

    I hope this spurious comment is spelled properly, without preview and other necessities of web life. Is this what is required to get the sidebars to update?

  128. #129 Quintus
    Manchester
    June 4, 2012

    Delurking, posting, relurking, working?

  129. #130 Donna B.
    http://opiningonline.com
    June 4, 2012

    It’s been a while since I’ve commented here, but I still read and want to be able to if I think I have anything to add.

    And that’s why I don’t comment so much anymore. By the time I get to a thread, everything I want to say has been said and very often said better than I could have done.

  130. #131 Eric Lund
    June 4, 2012

    Testing to see if this goes through.

    I ran into the “commenting too quickly” thing that others above have remarked about. I have no idea what the standards are for “commenting too quickly”, as it had been several minutes since my previous post (which was to a different blog on this site).

  131. #132 careri
    the west side
    June 4, 2012

    Another frequent lurker making sure that commenting privileges are intact. Just in case…

  132. #133 madder
    June 4, 2012

    I’m only an occasional commenter, but should get this taken care of here.

  133. #134 Anton P. Nym
    http://anton-p-nym.livejournal.com/
    June 4, 2012

    Nice site thanks…

    (So tempted to stop after the ellipses, but I value RI’s input too much. Just testing to see if my posting privileges still work; FYI I’m seeing the sidebar update properly on a rather-dated version of IE.)

    — Steve

  134. #135 Anthony
    June 4, 2012

    Time to check what email address I actually use to comment. Probably the one that’s filled in automatically. Testing…

  135. #136 Queen Khentkawes
    June 4, 2012

    Hello?

    @ Denice: The only time Chicago would reel is if they outlawed kiełbasa.

  136. #137 Interrobang
    June 4, 2012

    Since this is an open thread, I’m going to complain about my gym — Goodlife Fitness allows way too much woo to inhabit its spaces. In my gym, you can access a chiropractor of the sort who thinks you can cure ear infections (et cetera) with chiropractic, and promotes accupuncture and various other totally dubious stuff. There’s also a massage therapy suite, and the RMTs there seem to think they can help with an awful lot more stuff than parsimony would suggest is plausible, and there’s a lot of “detoxification” crap floating around generally.

    They also have a good science-based physiotherapy clinic, but the clinic only works with people with sports injuries.

    I go there to work out because it’s convenient, and my trainer is a kinesiology grad with a level head on her shoulders, but I keep having to forcibly restrain myself from taking a Sharpie to the chiropractor’s shit and writing “QUACK,” “FRAUD,” “FAKE” and similar sentiments all over it.

  137. #138 Hinterlander
    June 4, 2012

    Trying to comment again. Tried twice yesterday but got the “slow down” error message, despite being a compulsive reader and scarce commenter.

  138. #139 Hinterlander
    June 4, 2012

    Hooray!

  139. #140 Chris
    On the phone...
    June 4, 2012

    … giving out lists of numbers.

    So far today it has been the Vehicle Identification Number for the used car we bought this weekend to replace the one totaled by an uninsured driver, the mail order prescription member ID number about a question on my kid’s heart meds, plus its prescription number, and now the medical insurance number for the kid’s post surgical medical rehab.

    Now I have to go to the credit union office to sort out the auto loan. Oh, crud, I just saw another phone call I have to make in regards to getting another child’s AP scores to the college she will be attending next fall.

    There is a reason my youngest was upset when she turned eighteen last month. She does not want to do grown up things. Next month she starts learning to drive, because we are making her get a driver’s license.

  140. #141 Roger Kulp
    June 4, 2012
  141. #142 Sauceress
    June 4, 2012

    My turn

    @Anton P. Nym

    FYI I’m seeing the sidebar update properly on a rather-dated version of IE.

    No..No..Noooooo.. Not IE. Never!

  142. #143 Narad
    June 4, 2012

    Just throwing the switch on comment updating again.

  143. #144 janerella
    Australia
    June 5, 2012

    blah blah, nothing profound or witty from me atm, just getting first comment out of the way.

  144. #145 Kelly M Bray
    The cooler side of Hell
    June 5, 2012

    Robert, read the link….a whole lotta burning stupid in the comments.

  145. #146 Mrs Woo
    June 5, 2012

    So that’s why it let me through! I posted on something yesterday and said, “I wonder if I’ll get on the ‘list.’

    Just curious – are you allowed to go through and ban previous commenters?

  146. #147 DurhamDave
    Confusion
    June 5, 2012

    Not that I really post at all, still enjoy reading and would like to have the option at least, so testing.

  147. #148 Melissa G
    June 5, 2012

    test comment

  148. #149 Katherine Lorraine
    June 5, 2012

    Well, let’s see if I get through this time.

  149. #150 Anton P. Nym
    http://anton-p-nym.livejournal.com/
    June 5, 2012

    Just checking in with my positively-ancient laptop… and saw the “latest post” section wasn’t updating on this ol’ thing. So I’m posting this in case this goes to the mod. queue

    — Steve

  150. #151 brian
    June 5, 2012

    The “latest post” feature now seems to work on my laptop, using Windows 7 and Chrome. Thanks for that.

  151. #152 lilady
    June 5, 2012

    Well I’m back from Europe and I missed all of you. Hoping this gets through…I’ll probably need some expert computer advice…again.

  152. #153 Denice Walter
    June 5, 2012

    @ lilady:

    Well, you certainly picked an interesting time to visit as the Euro is put on life support… hope you took advantage of this …

  153. #154 Karl Withakay
    http://Blog.CordialDeconstruction.com
    June 5, 2012

    Test Comment

  154. #155 lilady
    June 5, 2012

    @ Denice Walter: I did manage to spend some of the Euros…on a liter of fresh pressed olive oil, a decorative ceramic olive oil cruet and a “cucina” ceramic plaque…for daughter’s kitchen. We travel “light” on our vacations and had enough room to jam the liter of olive oil and the ceramics in our two small checked bags.

    http://derutaitaly.com/

    Deruta is just one of the walled towns we visited. I shlepped through the Vatican museum tour and through the narrow cobble-stoned byways of these medieval fortress/towns…all in an effort to work off the calories from the yummy Umbrian food and wines. I’ve eaten enough pasta and black truffles to last me for the foreseeable future. (I even ate some wild boar…pronounced as “chingallie”)

    http://blogs.transparent.com/italian/il-cinghiale-in-italia-the-wild-boar-in-italy/

    We spent a few days in Bad Godesberg, Germany where we were “indulging” in Kolsch…the light brew beer, unique to Cologne. I, of course, had an assortment of great wursts and the delicate pastries from the konditorei (bakery).

  155. #156 Narad
    June 5, 2012

    We travel “light” on our vacations and had enough room to jam the liter of olive oil and the ceramics in our two small checked bags.

    This reminds me of the time my college girlfriend’s Spanish grandmother innocently tried to bring an entire jamón ibérico in her carry-on for a visit. Customs was quite upset, as I understand. And they kept the ham.

  156. #157 lilady
    June 5, 2012

    @ Narad: (Before 9-11)…we used to shlep bagels and T-Bone steaks for our German friends…and they would reciprocate with wines and mettwurst. The damn mettwurst-sniffing dogs at the airport have spoiled it all for us.

    At hubby’s retirement party a few years back, several of his German colleagues came with a gift of “mettwurst”. We were waiting for him to tuck into the wurst the following day and were not disappointed. His good buddy went to the local konditorei and had a huge chunk of marzipan shaped and tinted as a mettwurst. Sort of like the marzipan pigs available around the Christmas holiday.

  157. #158 Tsu Dho Nimh
    June 5, 2012

    Just reporting for shill duty, sir!

    And please remind accounting that the checks have been running late. I have a nice offer from Boiron if Merck doesn’t shape up and pay as promised.

  158. #159 Autistic Lurker
    June 5, 2012

    I prepared my next batch of beer; it’s gonna be a barley wine with 1.109 of initial gravity and 1.027 of final gravity giving 10.5% of alcohol by volume. 150g of hops giving a final IBU of 113 and a recipe color of 20 degree for a batch of 2 imperial gallons of beer.

    should be potent enough…

    A.L.

  159. #160 Autistic Lurker
    June 5, 2012

    @tsu dho nimh,

    you don’t want to work with a brewery do you??

  160. #161 Politicalguineapig
    June 6, 2012

    Narad: A family friend- a nice Irish woman with a Mexican husband and two kids, went down to visit hubby’s family and bought some hemp baskets. They subsequently set off sniffer dogs at two airports, and on their final leg, the agents asked to search their belongings and found the baskets. A good laugh was had by all- and the husband got to keep his weed, which slipped right by the dogs and agents. (Should mention that said husband is a fine upstanding guy, not an addict.)

  161. #162 Chris
    In my kitchen on my laptop...
    June 6, 2012

    When we went to hubby’s ancestral home we bought a cast iron poffertjes pan at the Dutch version of Macy’s* (seriously, this department store was given a tourist destination, but when we went through the door it was like being at my local Macy’s!). And during that week bought a couple of metal boxes with Dutch cookies/candies.

    When we left I packed them all in the same little suitcase. When we arrived home it had a big ribbon around it that said “Security Checked.” It seems that cast iron pans and tins full of goodies come up on X-rays as suspicious.

    I now make very good poffertjes. I think the secret is the melted butter I put into the holes before I fill them with yeasty batter from a disposable pastry bag.

    * It was “De Bijenkorf” on Dam Square across from the Palace. It is where there was some dude dressed as Neptune hung out. He charged a fee for our teenage children to pose with him. Then our teenage children insisted on taking the bus back to our hotel in Leidseplein to wash their hair because the guy had placed his hands on their heads.

  162. #163 Chris
    Time to go to bed, so good night...
    June 6, 2012

    So along with kid surgery, one of our cars was totaled by a student driver whose parents apparently forgot to pay their car insurance. So our insurance company had them listed as “underinsured.”

    Now here is the freaky part: the vehicular victim was a 1995 Toyota Corolla DX with a bit under 130 thousand miles (yes, city driving means higher premiums but lower mileage). It had some body work done it recently because I sideswiped a car leaving a parking space on a narrow arterial because I stupidly glanced at some empty store windows (it was at least 51% my fault, I also agreed that it did not need to be repaired to perfection so the deductible was reduced by $50).

    Today I received the settlement check for the loss for our seventeen year old care, it was about five thousand dollars! Whoa! We thought it was worth half that much. Apparently the low miles and actually getting it serviced on a regular basis is a way to keep up its value. Who knew?

    Now our auto insurance premium has increased because the replacement car is less than a decade old. It is a 2009 Volkswagen with touchy brakes and freaky driver side door locks.

    I hate buying cars. This explains why we have not had a care payment in the last seven years.

  163. #164 Chris
    It must have been the wine, or the annoying teenager...
    June 6, 2012

    Rats, I cannot type… “old care” was supposed to be “old car.” The same goes for “care payment”, which is obviously referring to the sixty months of “car payments.”

    Is there some subliminal reason that I repeated “care” instead of “car”?

    Am I channeling issues I have with financing? I know that the settlement over what we paid for a down payment on the newer vehicle is going to an old home equity loan (seriously, it has a higher percentage rate… it is really over 3%).

    Or is it something less mathematical, like my kids? I just recently had a dream where I was being lead by a person through a university hospital system only to get separated and become lost.

    Then I tried to call that person (Julia) on my cell phone. At first the thing I pulled out of my pocket was a TV remote (weird!), then when I pulled “phone” out of my pocket it showed the name “Julia”, but then morphed into a different screen. The system would not settle down enough to make any kind of selection.

    Well that was a modern nightmare.

  164. #165 LiisaW
    somewhere out there
    June 6, 2012

    Back from a conference in Hungary and going through all the stuff that popped up meantime. I think I’ve already commented since the new version of SB came to life but I’m not sure. So, here I am.

    @ Chris
    Poffertjes pan? I need a new one, I have the sort for a gas stove and can’t use it on the new shiny induction thingy… Alas, the Netherlands are a bit far from my current abode. Which reminds me that my USian friend needs a poppy seed grinder, a typically Central European kitchen gadget, while poppy seed fillings are a staple in Central European pastries. I’ll remind the guerrila mailman of the risks of carrying odd kitchenware across the pond.

  165. #166 Ender
    June 6, 2012

    Boring comment

  166. #167 Denice Walter
    June 6, 2012

    @ Chris:

    The reason is STRESS. We make errors based on meaning, visual apppearnce of letters and keyboard position.I wouldn’t put much into the Freusdian slip style analysis.

    Performance varies with arousal in an inverted U- so very high or very low arousal leads to problems.

    I’m sure things will be getting better post-hospital and car-purchase. Except for the weather- actually, I think that I espied a little sun today- SHOCKING. Will wonders ever cease?

  167. #168 lilady
    June 6, 2012

    @ Chris: It appears to me that you are decompressing after your trip to Minnesota…and simply did NOT need the added complication of a totaled car. Spending time in the hospital with your child is no walk in the park…been there…done that.

    We all missed you and were concerned about you and your son. Please know that we are delighted to have you back with us…especially me :-)

  168. #169 Chris
    Just made coffee...
    June 6, 2012

    Thanks all. And it is still raining.

  169. #170 Beamup
    June 6, 2012

    I have to say, the lack of spam after this change is welcome.

    The continued “posting comments too quickly” messages even when it’s been hours or days since the last comment, not so much.

  170. #171 Narad
    June 6, 2012

    Just testing some entity support: ≠ ∃ ∴ ζ ϖ ‰ ♣ (no seals).

  171. #172 Narad
    June 6, 2012

    One more try on the failed entity: ∴

  172. #173 Liz Ditz
    Too far from the beach, but still California
    June 6, 2012

    Boy did I misunderstand. I thought the new comment feature meant that there was a roster of approved commenters, & that link-heavy comments from this roster wouldn’t go into moderation. Oh well.

    Chris, you are due some good luck on ANY front. I have a different car-buying strategy — buy a new, cheap car and drive it until it won’t go any more. In 40 years of car owning, I’ve had a total of 4, and I lived out where just going to the store is a 10 mile round trip. That said, I am considering replacing the Honda Civic Hybrid with a more satisfactory car…and then gas keeps going up.

    Autistic Lurker — the beer sounds great. I was an enthusiastic beer brewer into my 30s, and then married a guy who was not a beer-drinker. It sort of took the fun out of it.

    LiisaW — got an induction stove top cooker thingy a few years ago. On the whole I really like it, but had to replace a lot of saute pans, steamers and so on. The good news is that it all happened around the time my stepson & daughter-in-law set up housekeeping here, so the pots went to a good home and I could slowly replace things with what I like. My workhorse items are enamel-covered cast iron; I found a pretty complete set in a second-hand store.

  173. #174 Chris
    Staring at the cool garden..
    June 6, 2012

    Liz Ditz:

    I have a different car-buying strategy — buy a new, cheap car and drive it until it won’t go any more.

    That is our usual strategy, we have never had a trade-in (two were sold as scrap). We had hoped the seventeen year old car would keep going for another five years. But, alas! An underinsured student driver came through the intersection and hit it.

    It was a matter of cost since we will be paying college tuition for three kids next fall. Fortunately our health insurance will be paying for thirty six sessions of cardiac rehab for oldest son.

    I will stick to a gas stove. I am not sure how one can roast a pepper or a marshmallow with an induction stove top.

  174. #175 Liz Ditz
    not far from the stove
    June 6, 2012

    Chris asked, ” I am not sure how one can roast a pepper or a marshmallow with an induction stove top.”

    That’s what the gas-powered burners on the bbq are for. Out here in California we are always prepared.

  175. #176 Chris
    June 6, 2012

    Sorry, we are primitive. We only barbecue with charcoal.

    And it was living in Ft. Ord, CA as a kid that we discovered we could roast marshmallows on the gas range. We also had view of the bay (on Ardennes Circle) That part of the old fort is still in use as housing for the Navy’s language school.

    It is kind of fun to get into Google Earth and “fly” around places I where I lived as an Army brat.

  176. #177 Scottynuke
    June 8, 2012

    Redundant comment… :-)

  177. #178 Autistic Lurker
    June 8, 2012

    @Liz ditz, Thanks for the comment, I was despairing that no one here is a beer brewer or at a minimum, a good beer taster (vive la Rochefort)… you made my day.

    A.L.

  178. #179 lilady
    June 9, 2012

    @ Chris: Hmmm, roasting peppers using my dual fuel range (gas cook top and electric oven/broiler); I use the electric broiler.

    Core and seed the peppers, cut in halves or thirds. Place skin side up on a large cookie sheet just barely beneath the broiler and let them be under the broiler, until the skin is charred and blistered.

    Quickly, slide the charred peppers into a brown paper grocery bag, sealing tightly. Place the sealed bag atop the cookie sheet (the juices will seep through the bottom of the bag). Let rest for about 1/2 hour and just peal the skin off.

    I further prepare them with a drizzle of olive oil, chopped garlic, salt, pepper and flat-leaf parsley. Yummy on an antipasti platter or on crusty bread with fresh buffalo milk mozzarella.

  179. #180 Chemmomo
    June 9, 2012

    @Autistic Lurker
    At my house we’ll be bottling an IPA this weekend. Centennial, Cascade, and Chinook hops (the last two, combined, added halfway through then again finishing). I’m not actually the brewer – just the assistant.

  180. #181 Chris
    Rain, sun, rain, sun... make up your mind, sky!
    June 9, 2012

    I use the flame for one pepper. There is no reason to turn on the electric oven for one pepper. I have also found that I can sweat them in a small clean sauce pan with a cover. That way I don’t have to find a paper bag, and I will be using the pan soon anyway.

    Also I don’t think it would work for marshmallows.

    By the way, since my sister convinced her husband and my dad to go gluten free I needed something for the Christmas goodies I send. So I went to the Martha Stewart website and downloaded a peppermint marshmallow recipe.

    I fired up my monster KitchenAid stand mixer to literally whip those up. The ten minutes of high speed whipping of increasingly thickening gelatin/sugar/flavor mixture made the poor machine heat up. Then it was pretty sticky to spread it over a well oiled jellyroll sheet pan.

    I sprinkled it with white, red and green decorating sugars. Then I used small cookie cutters to cut out shapes. Some were very small (meant for hor d’oeuvres, like a tiny carrot diamond or heart).

    Apparently they were very popular with my family. Even those who did go gluten free. My sister-in-law was very happy to learn one can make marshmallows since none are available where my brother is presently stationed (a developing country). Then she became disappointed when she found out it required a real stand mixer (she gets revenge by writing about the absolutely delicious mangoes falling from the trees in their yard!).

  181. #182 Chris
    I should proof read better...
    June 9, 2012

    “Even those who did go gluten free.” should be “Even those who did not go gluten free.”

    Chemmomo:At my house we’ll be bottling an IPA this weekend. Centennial, Cascade, and Chinook hops

    I remember when “a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.” was just entering the vernacular I was living in a dorm. On the male wing of our dormitory house was young man who brewed beer in his closet. It was quite amusing when some of the bottle blew up and made his clothing smell a bit.

    He was a lovely man who spent about three years as a sophomore. That is until he got a girlfriend who made him study. She was quite driven academically, and now has a PhD. I really want my younger son to meet a woman like her.

    Next week is an open house in our old dorm. They are going to let us take a last peek before they tear it down to build a new dorm with private bathrooms. I will be there with my camera!

  182. #183 Chemmomo
    Didn't grill today, but may tomorrow
    June 9, 2012

    @Chris
    When I was in college, the homebrewers I knew only attempted stouts and browns. To my knowledge, none exploded.

    Have you ever roasted the marshmellows over the charcoal coals? : – ) mmmmmm but no comparison to a real campfire.

    I’ve been cooking with gas since 1995 and won’t go back. I have not attempted roasting the marshmellows on the gas burner. But I do have an 8-year old who’d be willing to try.

    This week our movie choice started out on planet earth (and all but one character stayed there). Next week the kids get to pick and we’ll probably be in a galaxy far, far away again.

  183. #184 lilady
    June 9, 2012

    Gluten free? How can a person survive without bread flour, loaded with gluten, to make chewy crusty bread?

    I’m drying out now, after all the Orvieto wine I imbibed in Italy and the Kolsch beer that I drank in Germany. Dieting too, with salads, veggies and smaller portions.

  184. #185 Chris
    It is beddy bye time...on the wet coast
    June 9, 2012

    Chemmono:

    Have you ever roasted the marshmellows over the charcoal coals? : – ) mmmmmm but no comparison to a real campfire.

    Yes, we have. Next winter when the air is cold, introduce your child to roasting a marshmallow on a gas burner with a fork. It is magical.

    lilady:

    How can a person survive without bread flour, loaded with gluten, to make chewy crusty bread?

    I do not know. It is a mystery to me on how one exists without crusty bread. But the sister in question was born lactose intolerant (in the the early 1960s I knew of food issues as a kid!), so gluten issues are not a bit stretch for her. She also lives in Arizona where chewy crusty bread is not common.

    Personally I think it is a good thing that my sisters and I are separated by over a thousand miles.

  185. #186 Chemmomo
    CA winter = cold at night, or = elevation
    June 9, 2012

    @Chris;
    re Marshmellows on gas: how cold?

    There is off season camping in my future.

  186. #187 Chris
    Under June Gloom...
    June 9, 2012

    How about Pacific Northwest in June? It has barely left the 50s ( F). The rain would put out any charcoal grill. It is like we had a couple weeks of summer in May, and then we are back to February weather. The problem is that the green beans I planted in May are now rotting in the ground because it is too cold, again.

    It depends on where you are in California, though there were cold foggy days in Monterey when I was a kid (longest time I ever spent in one area was there, first a a year and a half in Pacific Grove when my dad was in Vietnam, and finally two years in Ft. Ord).

    This blog post will explain what I am whining about: Depressing But True. We are a week into June and already had the average rainfall we typically get for the entire month.

  187. #188 Chemmomo
    June Gloom forgot to come this year
    June 9, 2012

    I’m about as far south as you can get. The “normal” forecast for So Cal in June is the marine layer clears only between 2 and 3 pm, rather than will it clear up at 10am or at noon? like we’ve got the rest of the year.

    Two years ago, June was nice and the gloom hit in July. This year we had June Gloom on Monday (June 4), and a heat wave ever since. And, yes, we’re short on rainfall: the whole month of March is usually green (i.e., stuff grows), and we were only green for about a week.

    We have grilled in the rain, but only the wussy So Cal type rain, not downpours.

  188. #189 VikingwarriorPrincess
    under a mountain books on population genetics
    June 9, 2012

    After spending a whole Saturday trying to get to grips with untold numbers of species concepts, I’m in desperate need of a whole heap of not-at-all Respectful Insolence.
    And this is a test to see if I get held up for moderation or not, according to theories further up in the thread I shouldn’t…

  189. #190 Chris
    Those sunbreaks keep teasing us...
    June 9, 2012

    We have grilled when there is precipitation, but it is usually the light showers, but not the downpours we have had recently.

    Though they are still not like the rain that is experienced in the Midwest. The other week when we were Minnesota we got covered in clouds so dark that the street lights went on at noon. Then the skies opened up with a massive amount of rain. And that was the day after there was a tornado warning.

  190. #191 Autistic Lurker
    June 9, 2012

    Thanks you everyone for your good beer comments; they’re making my days and actually, I’d suggest a meetup when we (me and my prof) will make beer at school (the prof want to start a research program in beer making and we have a lot of the work done so it should be a reality within a year).

    A.L.

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