Respectful Insolence

As I happened to be out last night at a function for my department, I didn’t have the time necessary to lay out a 2,000 word bit of Insolence. I did, however, have time to note that yet another practitioner unhappy with being criticized over his scientifically questionable treatment, in this case, Dr. Frank Arguello, has expressed grave, grave unhappiness with science-based criticism over his atavistic chemotherapy, so much so that he’s threatening to sue over it even though he really has no case. In fact, this guy is a bit more—shall we say?—over the top than the average subject of criticism, which is why his e-mails are more entertaining than the usual vacuous legal threats. So, until tomorrow, if you haven’t seen this already, take a gander at Dr. Frank Arguello’s response to science-based criticism. I realize that, given the overlap in readership between the two blogs, a lot of you have already seen this, but I’m also guessing that a lot of you haven’t. If you haven’t, you should. If you already have, note that additional responses from Dr. Arguello have been added to the post since Monday.

Until tomorrow, enjoy.

Comments

  1. #1 Dangerous Bacon
    August 20, 2014

    I think Justin Bieber’s singing is analogous to the ugliness of frogs at night.

    There, I said it.

  2. #2 Janet
    Hot Wisconsin
    August 20, 2014

    Did he just propose a clinical trial “cage match?” The devolution of his discourse was mighty entertaining.

  3. #3 Militant Agnostic
    August 20, 2014

    Our institute has been visited by many important scientists, most recently by Dr. Kary Mullis, the Nobel Prize winner in chemistry in 1993 for his invention of the polymerase chain reaction (PCR), a process which is hailed as one of the monumental scientific techniques of the twentieth century.

    Kary Mullis is an HIV denialist. Is this an example of crank magnetism or crank gravity?

  4. #4 Science Mom
    http://justthevax.blogspot.com/
    August 20, 2014

    Do I detect a hint of gloating? I think letting Arguello speak for himself is an entertaining and educational exercise in getting hoist by one’s own petard.

  5. #5 Renate
    August 20, 2014

    @Dangerous Bacon,
    Don’t insult frogs. I rather hear them in the evening, than Justin Bieber serenading under my window.

  6. #6 Denice Walter
    August 20, 2014

    Whenever woo-meisters need to name-drop Nobel laureates you know that they have little else to offer- howvever it’s USUALLY Pauling not Mullis ( except for hiv/aids denialists) so he gets a few points for originality.

  7. #7 Shay
    somewhere hot and rainy
    August 20, 2014

    I see that among other shortcomings, Dr Arguello doesn’t know what the word “magnate” means.

  8. #8 Shay
    August 20, 2014

    And what the heck is that final threat that he’s fluent in French and will use it on anyone who interferes? What, he’s going to chase Orac down an alley and beat him to death with an accent circonflex?

  9. #9 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 20, 2014

    fluent in French

    I presume he was threatening to start swearing and throwing in four letter words.

  10. #10 Mephistopheles O'Brien
    August 20, 2014

    Which as a threat is, well, pardon my French, les pyjamas du chat. He probably thinks that makes him le grand fromage.

  11. #11 Eric Lund
    August 20, 2014

    And what the heck is that final threat that he’s fluent in French and will use it on anyone who interferes?

    Aux barricades, comrades!

    Maybe he’s planning to weaponize the collected works of Michel Foucault, or something of that sort.

    @Denise: Brian Josephson is another Nobel laureate with some, shall I say, peculiar ideas. But I can understand why someone with a surname like Arguello (as opposed to, say, Adams) might be reluctant to drop that name.

  12. #13 rs
    August 20, 2014

    “howvever it’s USUALLY Pauling not Mullis ( except for hiv/aids denialists) so he gets a few points for originality.”

    Well, it would have to be a lab visit from Pauling’s ghost. He started pining for the fjords years ago.

  13. #14 Denice Walter
    August 20, 2014

    @ rs:

    Notice that I said “name-drop”

    @ Eric Lund:

    I don’t hear Josephson mentioned frequently.

  14. #15 jsterritt
    nyc
    August 20, 2014

    Arguello is congratulating himself for (in addition to curing cancer) showing remarkable restraint with his language. But were he to let his expletive-rich vocabulary (i.e., his “French”) off-leash, oh it would be devastating.

    Or maybe some filthy, broken Creole is Arguello’s native language (or what was spoken in the home). He surely labors with English and its regional dialects: Reason and Sense.

    Snicker.

  15. #16 sadmar
    the postmodern condition
    August 20, 2014

    Eric Lund kinda beat me to the French joke I was gonna make: that Arquello would be quoting the works of Lacan, Deleuze, and Iragaray at length until his opponents’ heads go full David Cronenberg.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghmsaqMeDKw

    That said, love Monty Python cite, but I can’t imagine Arguello being anywhere near that clever.

  16. #17 herr doktor bimler
    August 20, 2014

    Dr Arguello doesn’t know what the word “magnate” means.

    Magnates, how do they work?

  17. #18 sadmar
    Off Topic
    August 20, 2014

    A msg. from some politics site I never visit but sends me emails anyway just hit my Inbox. This group is seeking donations to aid Mexican beekeepers in their conflict with Monsanto: the premise being that Roundup is a major culprit in the bee-pocalypse.

    There’s apparently enough evidence of this that two Mexican courts have revoked permits Monsanto had received for massive planting of GM crops engineered to resist Roundup, and I guess more or less require Roundup to thrive.

    The email linked this news item:
    http://www.theguardian.com/global-development/poverty-matters/2014/aug/08/sweet-victory-beekeepers-monsanto-gm-soybeans

    My thoughts: AFAICT the bee-pocalypse is a real and very serious Thing. The propositon the broader nature of GMO agriculture is a significant contributor to this is entirely distinct from claims that ingestion of GMO derived foods has any deleterious health effects on humans. That is, while I am EXTREMELY doubtful that chowing down on a burger ground from cattle raised on GMO feed is any worse for me than any other burger, having lived most of my life in the corn belt, and thus aware of how the Farm Crises of the 80s were fueled by the soil depletion resulting from the mono-cropping practices of Agribusiness, the idea that Monsanto’s program might be, uh, less-than-ecologically-sound is hardly a reach.

    So, I’m just wondering what anyone here might make of the science considered by the Mexican courts, or the larger pesticides-killing-the-bees question — with proper declarations that you are not in fact MMMs [Monsanto Mod Magnates :-) ].

  18. #19 Chris Hickie
    August 21, 2014

    Arguello is starting to sound like Cartman on South Park.

  19. #20 Helianthus
    Jose Bove's country
    August 21, 2014

    @ sadmar

    Against my better judgement, because any GMO topic is a sure way to derail a thread…

    The comments under the Guardian article say it all, really.
    There are legitimate concerns about soil erosion due to intensive agriculture, monoculture leading to a lack of wild flowers for bees to feed of, and so on. These reasons are good enough to be cautious about dramatically changing the agricultural landscape in any place.
    There is also some confusion about the actors under review. There seem to be some concerns about a new class of pesticides, the neonicotinoids. But these are insect-killers, not weed-killers. Glyphosate is a weed-killer. So its influence on bees is, AFAIK, tenuous and indirect at best.
    The proposed GM plants are round-up ready soybeans, i.e. plants which are tolerant to round-up, a.k.a. glyphosate (and no, the plant doesn’t need glyphosate to “thrive” – but like any cultivated plant, it will benefit from having less weeds to compete with).
    In short, the issue, again, is not GMO but modern agricultural practices as a whole. Pour in a good dose of local power struggle and international trade politics as well: someone pointed that one of the reasons advanced by the beekeepers – and a valid economical reason, I would say – was that a honey “contaminated” with GMO pollen would be bared from sales in the European Union (I can easily imagine the hysterical news headlines in French).

    As to the “the science considered by the Mexican courts”, it would be easier to have an opinion on it if we know what science the Mexican court considered. The Guardian article gave absolutely no hint about it, and the people in the comments section are equally clueless. Oh, we got a few links to websites who expressed a belief in the nastiness of GMOs, but nowhere it is said that’s what the Mexican judges used.

  20. #21 ChrisP
    August 21, 2014

    The Mexican court decision is really about Mexican honey exports to Europe. GM pollen in the honey will mean Europe will reject the shipments.

  21. #22 Krebiozen
    August 21, 2014

    I would say – was that a honey “contaminated” with GMO pollen would be bared from sales in the European Union (I can easily imagine the hysterical news headlines in French).

    The EU is only concerned about foods that contain more than 0.9% GM ingredients, and even then it only insists on labeling to that effect. Since honey contains less than 0.5% pollen, I don’t think that would be a problem in this case. though hysterical Europeans having conniptions over GM pollen in their honey is a possibility.

  22. #23 DrBollocks
    August 21, 2014

    Back on topic, I can thoroughly recommend the Popehat blog mentioned by Orac. There is one line in particular, where he responds to an assertion in one of Arguello’s emails, that had me giggling:

    “I had a short conversation with my lawyer concerning this matter, and it appears that you have been crossing the line and targeting people by name. I am wondering if I should join forces with others as a class suit, or do it alone. The question is how much can we get from you and your cronies?”

    Is your lawyer a Weimaraner? Because anyone who gave you that legal advice spent most of law school licking his balls.

  23. #24 brook
    where a perfect summer isn't lingering long enough
    August 21, 2014

    I’ve always thought that for a blinky box of lights, Orac’s has a certain amount of magnate-ism. I mean, he’s quite capable of drawing in readers.

  24. #25 Scottynuke
    August 21, 2014

    brook, Orac may be many things, but I seriously doubt our blinky light box scribbles in the margins of books.

    Oh, waitaminit… : – )

  25. #26 Calli Arcale
    http://fractalwonder.wordpress.com
    August 21, 2014

    DrBollocks: that one had me laughing out loud. Hilarious, and pure genius. ;-)

  26. #27 kruuth
    August 21, 2014

    Oh noes! you could go to jail in Canada for your slander! I’d love to be a fly on the wall for that extradition hearing.

    Looks like the Popehat folks have your back on this Orac. Not like you needed the help, but the thought is good.

  27. #28 brook
    August 21, 2014

    @scottynuke 25 :-)

  28. #29 ebrillblaiddes
    in the study guide aisle, wondering if I should be networking instead
    August 22, 2014

    Did Dr. Gorski have to take a class to get the promotion from Shill to Magnate, or was it just an exam, or is it more of a who you know kind of a thing?

  29. #30 ebrillblaiddes
    August 22, 2014

    Comment in moderation, wondering how one becomes a magnate.

  30. #31 ChrisP
    August 22, 2014

    So what sort of magnate do you want to be?

    A refrigerator-magnate or a chick-magnate?

  31. #32 ebrillblaiddes
    August 22, 2014

    Electro-magnate isn’t an option? Well fudge.

  32. #33 Calli Arcale
    http://fractalwonder.wordpress.com
    August 22, 2014

    I’d rather be Magneto than a magnate. ;-)

  33. #34 Ausduck
    August 24, 2014

    Sorry for being late to the party, but there is one thing that stands out to me with my health safety/quality hat on (in addition to everything else mentioned).
    If Arguello does not disclose to the patient exactly what treatment/drugs and combo he is using, how on earth does he get informed consent from the patient?
    I’d be wanting an itemised list of the drugs, what the side effects are, what the expected benefits are, if the use is off label and any authorities required for that use.. the list goes on.
    I’m really concerned for the patients if he’s not got legal consent for the treatment.

  34. #35 Peebs
    August 25, 2014

    Evenin’ all.

    realise this is off topic, but has anyone over your side of the pond come across this chap?

    http://www.alsearsmd.com/landing/SM_FB_CCures_20140818_OutlawVSLPOP.html