I don't participate in irrational "feel good" stunts. Emulating North Korea for an hour is not what I consider a worthwhile endeavor.
While you carbon-phobes are sitting in the dark (paraffin candles emit CO2, particulates and various other pollutants) in penitence for your transgressions against Gaia, I will be turning every light and electrical appliance I own to full on in celebration of the many fantastic life extending and labor saving devices that the industrial age has provided to us.
Lance,
I am pretty confident that I have a good idea about the kind of vehicle you drive and what your diet is like. You seem to disregard the future of the next generations of humans and the whole biota. Climb back under a rock. Anyone who disrespects efforts to conserve is a fool. Sorry to be mean, but I hope you have not reproduced.
When I interviewed potential employees for our climate change project and they displayed an attitude like yours I had to wonder about why they applied. We had several years of discarding data because we got stuck with people like you.
Cal
I don't participate in irrational "feel good" stunts. Emulating North Korea for an hour is not what I consider a worthwhile endeavor.
While you carbon-phobes are sitting in the dark (paraffin candles emit CO2, particulates and various other pollutants) in penitence for your transgressions against Gaia, I will be turning every light and electrical appliance I own to full on in celebration of the many fantastic life extending and labor saving devices that the industrial age has provided to us.
I'm quite sure you are doing a fine job of hiring little enviro-fascists for your "climate change project" whatever the hell that might be.
You sat in the dark with your appliances turned off for an hour, repenting your carbon sins, and thought you were saving the planet and I'm the "fool"?
Well, I guess I might phrase it somewhat differently.
Lance, your demonstrated behaviors frequently look foolish, and petulantly childish, to other participants and onlookers.
I've noticed that Fred Bortz has invested considerable patience and time in coaching you toward healthier, mature behavior. I doubt that he expects any reward for doing so. But for his sake, you might consider making his investment worthwhile by making an occasional attempt to live up to his benchmark.
Lance,
Open your eyes. We are changing the ecology of our planet. Do we have the right to do that? There will be consequenses that we can not foresee. If we blindly speed down this road we are on then some really bad things may happen. Why do you gleefully dismiss simple efforts to conserve resources? What would it harm to shut off lights some times?
Cal
Springsteen says "douche" and I like his version better. :)
Lance:
No I'm not threatening you. I was challenging you to look at things a little differently (for a change). If you perceive that as a threat, then there is not much I or anyone else can do.
BTW, Lake Titicaca is a very interesting place. I would think that being in Peru would change your perspective a little. I know it did mine.
Those who participated in "Earth hour" undoubtedly did more good for humanity in that one hour than the Bush administration has done in seven long years -- both in the dark, of course.
I'm all for conservation, I was just having a little fun pointing out that turning off your lights for an hour is just silly. I support conservation and the development of alternative energy sources but not for the reasons ostensibly given for this little self-righteous quasi-religious stunt.
Cal Harth,
My wife and I drive a 4cyl Toyota Camry and a 4cyl Toyota MR2. Both are well tuned and deliver fuel economy around 30 mpg. I occasionally drive my old '72 pre-emissions V-8 Ford F-100 to pick up gardening supplies or fire wood. I don't feel guilty about it since I drive it about once every two months. I think the "ecology of our planet" will survive my old truck.
As for my "diet", I'm not sure what you were moralizing about there, but I grow much of my own food and while not a vegetarian I try to only eat critters whose populations are sustainable and are killed humanely.
Dark Tent,
Glad to hear it was an invitation. The fact that I spend time here discussing things with you guys at least demonstrates that I want to hear your point of view even if I don't frequently agree with it.
I think it should be noted that I have never posted anything as virulent and offensive as some of the puerile insults hurled at Chris and Sheril over the last few days by people that he says are on his "side". With friends like that who needs enemies?
Oh, the Lake Titicaca byline was in reference to the oft claimed residence of "The Great Cornholio", Beavis' alter ego. I have never been there but hope to travel there someday.
etbnc,
Fred is a gentle soul that just happens to disagree with me on the evidence for AGW. I respect his views and I think he grudgingly respects mine.
Sheril,
I have been spreading the word. We have some candles ready. Enjoy the darkness.
Cal
I'm in.
Largely because all the lights in my flat have been out for a couple of days and I haven't had time to get an electrician out yet, but still.
Thought it was last weekend, and participated. Will definitely do so again tonight.
I don't participate in irrational "feel good" stunts. Emulating North Korea for an hour is not what I consider a worthwhile endeavor.
While you carbon-phobes are sitting in the dark (paraffin candles emit CO2, particulates and various other pollutants) in penitence for your transgressions against Gaia, I will be turning every light and electrical appliance I own to full on in celebration of the many fantastic life extending and labor saving devices that the industrial age has provided to us.
"Blinded by the light, revved up like a douche, another runner in the night."
Join me in the dark tent, Lance.
I dare you.
It is high-larious that Google's black-background stunt actually consumes more energy than the usual white background!
Oh well, as long as it makes you feel better about yourself!
Lance & Neuro,
Sometimes, guys, I almost agree with you, but as Lance knows from experience, for all the wrong reasons.
But I have a different take on Earth Hour. It is not a symbolic gesture...it is practice. I'm not practicing...yet.
Cheers,
Eric the Leaf
"revved up like a deuce"
Dark Tent,
To quote the Great Cornholio. "Are you threatening me? Are you threatening me?"
Regards from Lake Titicaca.
Lance,
I am pretty confident that I have a good idea about the kind of vehicle you drive and what your diet is like. You seem to disregard the future of the next generations of humans and the whole biota. Climb back under a rock. Anyone who disrespects efforts to conserve is a fool. Sorry to be mean, but I hope you have not reproduced.
When I interviewed potential employees for our climate change project and they displayed an attitude like yours I had to wonder about why they applied. We had several years of discarding data because we got stuck with people like you.
Cal
I don't participate in irrational "feel good" stunts. Emulating North Korea for an hour is not what I consider a worthwhile endeavor.
While you carbon-phobes are sitting in the dark (paraffin candles emit CO2, particulates and various other pollutants) in penitence for your transgressions against Gaia, I will be turning every light and electrical appliance I own to full on in celebration of the many fantastic life extending and labor saving devices that the industrial age has provided to us.
Posted by: Lance
Cal,
I'm quite sure you are doing a fine job of hiring little enviro-fascists for your "climate change project" whatever the hell that might be.
You sat in the dark with your appliances turned off for an hour, repenting your carbon sins, and thought you were saving the planet and I'm the "fool"?
Well, I guess I might phrase it somewhat differently.
Lance, your demonstrated behaviors frequently look foolish, and petulantly childish, to other participants and onlookers.
I've noticed that Fred Bortz has invested considerable patience and time in coaching you toward healthier, mature behavior. I doubt that he expects any reward for doing so. But for his sake, you might consider making his investment worthwhile by making an occasional attempt to live up to his benchmark.
Lance,
Open your eyes. We are changing the ecology of our planet. Do we have the right to do that? There will be consequenses that we can not foresee. If we blindly speed down this road we are on then some really bad things may happen. Why do you gleefully dismiss simple efforts to conserve resources? What would it harm to shut off lights some times?
Cal
Alexandra says "revved up like a deuce"
Springsteen says "douche" and I like his version better. :)
Lance:
No I'm not threatening you. I was challenging you to look at things a little differently (for a change). If you perceive that as a threat, then there is not much I or anyone else can do.
BTW, Lake Titicaca is a very interesting place. I would think that being in Peru would change your perspective a little. I know it did mine.
Earth Hour was a tremendous success! The world is saved! Yay!
Those who participated in "Earth hour" undoubtedly did more good for humanity in that one hour than the Bush administration has done in seven long years -- both in the dark, of course.
I'm all for conservation, I was just having a little fun pointing out that turning off your lights for an hour is just silly. I support conservation and the development of alternative energy sources but not for the reasons ostensibly given for this little self-righteous quasi-religious stunt.
Cal Harth,
My wife and I drive a 4cyl Toyota Camry and a 4cyl Toyota MR2. Both are well tuned and deliver fuel economy around 30 mpg. I occasionally drive my old '72 pre-emissions V-8 Ford F-100 to pick up gardening supplies or fire wood. I don't feel guilty about it since I drive it about once every two months. I think the "ecology of our planet" will survive my old truck.
As for my "diet", I'm not sure what you were moralizing about there, but I grow much of my own food and while not a vegetarian I try to only eat critters whose populations are sustainable and are killed humanely.
Dark Tent,
Glad to hear it was an invitation. The fact that I spend time here discussing things with you guys at least demonstrates that I want to hear your point of view even if I don't frequently agree with it.
I think it should be noted that I have never posted anything as virulent and offensive as some of the puerile insults hurled at Chris and Sheril over the last few days by people that he says are on his "side". With friends like that who needs enemies?
Oh, the Lake Titicaca byline was in reference to the oft claimed residence of "The Great Cornholio", Beavis' alter ego. I have never been there but hope to travel there someday.
etbnc,
Fred is a gentle soul that just happens to disagree with me on the evidence for AGW. I respect his views and I think he grudgingly respects mine.
Speaking of Fred where has he been?