Sometimes domestic and laboratory goddesses can get tired. I'm not saying that I have any flaws at all, but if I were to have one, it would be that I regularly sacrifice sleep in an effort to eek more science time, family time, and Isis time out of my day. Tonight I fell asleep on my couch writing and, when a colleague called at 10 pm to discuss some science we're throwing down, I swore that I hadn't been asleep and that he hadn't woken me. He rightfully called "bullshit" on me and we had a good laugh, although a very real part of me felt ashamed at having been caught sleeping "on the job." One of the most difficult things about being a domestic and laboratory goddess is the nagging feeling that one must be everything to everyone at every moment. That expectation is, of course, completely unrealistic but it doesn't stop Dr. Isis from trying to cram as much into a day as is humanly possible and still feeling guilty about the stuff that remains on the plate at the end of the day.
Figure 1: Sometimes Dr. Isis is guilty of cramming things that are far too big into a day that is far too small.
Dr. Isis has been away for four days collecting some data away from MRU, returned this afternoon to teach a group of eager students, and has a full plate tomorrow. She's interviewing a student, going to lunch with another prospective student, looking at some data, and meeting with a colleague about a project. Still, there is one thing that Dr. Isis is refusing to schedule over, in spite of how much she has to accomplish -- weekly seminar.
The grand dame of academic blogging, Female Science Professor, recently wrote a few posts about whether or not seminar should be required for students. She outlines, in the carefully and detailed style for which she is known, whether seminar should be compulsory and whether students should receive academic credit for their attendance. Dr. FSP, who even the domestic and laboratory worships as the O.G. female academic blogger, concludes that seminar should be required, at least for 1st and 2nd year students. Dr. Isis is not sure she agrees with FSP's conclusion, although she agrees that attending seminar is crucial for one's academic success. Even if it is required, there are people who will view it as a chore or something that stands in the way of their data collection (and these are the ones who would not attend it were not mandatory) and then there are people who are interested in broadening their knowledge and interacting with other scientists (and these are the ones who would attend seminar anyway). I don't think it is sufficient to require the former group of people to attend seminar without imparting to them the fundamental importance of these occasions to learn from other scientists outside of the written literature.
So, with that, Dr. Isis wants to say to those who view seminar as a chore or a hindrance to their progress, "Get your ass to seminar."
Figure 2: Sometimes people need a reminder that a fundamental part of being a scientist is regularly engaging with other scientists to discuss novel research findings and applications.
When someone tells Dr. Isis that they didn't attend seminar because the topic "didn't relate to what they were interested in," it makes the hair on the back of her neck stand on end (and not in the same way that Mr. Isis makes the hair on the back of her neck stand on end). While Dr. Isis will not argue that one must obtain every seminar in every field of science possible, she does think it is important to explore ideas within one's discipline (for Dr. Isis, that's physiology) that are not necessarily directly apparently applicable to one's current research. Two years ago Dr. Isis was struggling with how to answer a particular research question. In her mind, she had tried everything under the sun to test a particular hypothesis. Then Dr. Isis attended the Experimental Biology meeting and, by chance, attended a session on GI physiology. Although Dr. Isis does not work in this particular field, one of the speakers described a novel technique that he had used to study a similar question in the small intestine as I was trying to answer in a vascular bed, and it completely change my approach to the problem. I don't think you'll find a pearl every time you explore sub-disciplines outside of your field, but I do think it is extremely valuable to see how others are answering questions and testing hypotheses. So many methods are translational and seminar is a prime opportunity to gain exposure to new ideas without much effort.
As a student, there is no better opportunity to learn to be a professional than at seminar. It's a great place to watch more senior scientists interact with each other -- to learn how they ask and answer questions. It's a great place to evaluate the quality of a speaker's presentation and to learn which component you might incorporate into your own presentation style. Did a speaker present data in a way that was particularly effective? If so, you might borrow from their technique (like so many of you are borrowing Dr. Isis' superb figure stylings. For the record, Dr. Isis did not borrow her own general blog topic or banner from some obscure blogger called ScienceWoman, even though she is implying that is the case. I didn't realize there was another blogger over there in addition to Alice Pawley. I mean, really, who knew? I call it a a case of convergent evolution and not flattery. So, smoke that, ScienceWoman! And, can't Dr. Isis go one week without having to do battle, yet again?) Or, did a speaker do something so distracting that you had a hard time following their talk? Sometimes seeing someone else make a mistake in a presentation, or a presentation style that you feel is ineffective, can prevent you from making the same mistake in yours. Finally, seminar is a great place to advance yourself. It is a safer place to learn to ask questions than a meeting with 10,000 attendees and there is often an opportunity to meet with a visiting speaker (and if one wasn't offered and you really want it, you should ask for it). Not-yet Dr. Isis weaseled her way into a breakfast with a visiting speaker that she was not initially invited to and ended up with a postdoc offer.
Figure 3: Dr. Isis's lack of shame at being an academic interloper has occasionally landed her some very interesting opportunities.
The point of the story is that seminar is not simply a time in the week where everyone gets together to hear some dude run his mouth about his most recent successes. It's an opportunity to learn the culture of science, to learn novel ideas, and to interact with professionals in a relatively safe environment. You might be learning to run the most beautiful gels or to be a brilliant microscopist, but if you're not attending seminar, you're not really learning to be a scientist.






Comments
You have inspired me to try to sneak into some seminars at my MRU, despite my lowly status.
On a side note, what's with the sudden rash of public shit you're getting now that you've moved to Scienceblogs? Over a banner?? Really???
It's really starting to affect the level of respect I had for women I previously admired.
Posted by: JLK | November 14, 2008 12:34 AM
JLK, I think Sciencewoman was being mischievous, not snarky. I read it as a teasing welcome.
Dr I, you're right that encouraging people to go to seminar is ideal. The problem is that some PIs do not share this pleasant attitude, and to get around that I think it's not a bad idea to make seminar mandatory for first-years, in the hopes that they'll develop their own appreciation for it. "Mandatory" is used loosely, as in "If we notice you're never here you'll catch some shit," not any of the ghastly punishment papers people have mentioned. Ugh.
Posted by: Dr. Jekyll & Mrs. Hyde | November 14, 2008 1:11 AM
Also, if your research doesn't fit neatly into one field you get seminar overload very quickly. There are at least four weekly seminar series at my work which are relevant and/or interesting to me: mathematical biology, molecular biology, ecology, and the general life science seminars. I haven't time to go to everything, so I pick and choose while trying never to go a full week without going to a seminar. I'd expect a grad student to do something similar.
Posted by: MissPrism | November 14, 2008 5:39 AM
On a side note, what's with the sudden rash of public shit you're getting now that you've moved to Scienceblogs? Over a banner?? Really???
Indeed, JLK. I think ScienceWoman is having a little fun at my expense(she emailed me about the post) and I but return the favor by calling her obscure. There are plenty of other bloggers who dislike Dr. Isis.
Posted by: Isis the Scientist | November 14, 2008 8:22 AM
As a student, there is no better opportunity to learn to be a professional than at seminar... It's a great place to evaluate the quality of a speaker's presentation and to learn which component you might incorporate into your own presentation style.
This, unfortunately, is usually all I get out of my seminars. In my engineering discipline, topics of research range wildly. (It's not like biology, where say, you would expect most seminars to discuss components of living things). Thus, I often go to seminars that have zero overlap with my own knowledge. And when the speaker isn't very good, which happens more often than not, I am lost by slide 2. Sigh. It is not very encouraging.
@JLK: It's really starting to affect the level of respect I had for women I previously admired.
We are scientists, right? I don't find it so odd that we will not always agree with one another. I do find it odd that you would lose respect for women who discuss/poke fun/disagree with Isis on their own blogs (when done in a respectful way). I believe ScienceWoman is joking.
Posted by: Candid Engineer | November 14, 2008 8:33 AM
No one else noticed the smiley face, or what?
Posted by: Silver Fox | November 14, 2008 8:53 AM
And here a little bit of sisterly teasing (yes, the smiley face) has derailed what should be a perfectly good thread about the importance of seminar. So let me try to get it back on track.
One of my great disappointments in my current department is that we do not have an active seminar series (and the establishment of such a series is actively resisted by some senior faculty). How can we possibly be teaching our graduate students to grow into professionals without exposing them to professional interactions outside of classes and research?!? I feel like I ought to take this post and those of FSP and stick them in the mailboxes of certain faculty members in my dept.
Posted by: ScienceWoman | November 14, 2008 9:39 AM
Oh, oh, oh!!! Can I help ScienceWoman? We could dress in black and do some covert ninja stuff, littering your department with FSP's posts in all sorts of interesting places...
Posted by: Isis the Scientist | November 14, 2008 9:55 AM
There is an advantage of making seminar series mandatory- you can tell your advisor you have to go.
Also, at really bad seminars, you can always count the "uhms".
Sometimes it's funny to do that at really good seminars- you realize how imperfect our standards for communication really are (similarly, I've seen some very hott science written up in some very odd English).
I love seminars, they're the easy part. I just need to learn how to run the most beautiful gels and be a perfect microscopist.
Posted by: Becca | November 14, 2008 10:07 AM
It's a great place to evaluate the quality of a speaker's presentation and to learn which component you might incorporate into your own presentation style.
...and what to avoid like the plague. A few weeks ago, I went to listen to Famous Scientist speak about Incredibly Sexy Topic and fell asleep about 10 minutes in. Despite not actually remembering anything he said, I was reminded of the importance of having a coherent structure to your talk, having slides with visible figures, and speaking clearly in an audible volume.
Posted by: LostMarbles | November 14, 2008 11:55 AM
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"There are plenty of other bloggers who dislike Dr. Isis."
Exactly.
I mean, it is not like she has to go looking for them or anything. And the same goes for non-bloggers too.
...tom...
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Posted by: ...tom... | November 14, 2008 3:36 PM
I apologize. I'm feeling a bit oversensitive and defensive on behalf of Dr. Isis and the other women who appear to have been placed in a position requiring that they defend their feminine qualities.
Plus, when I commented, I was fresh from Physioprof's blog, which always makes me a little quicker of tongue. ;)
Posted by: JLK | November 14, 2008 8:55 PM
when your broadest area of research is represented by 2 labs in your entire department, you end up attending a whole lot of completely unrelated seminars the other 95% of the department would enjoy, until you quit bothering to go.
consequently, i know a lot about what everyone else in my department does, but the second i start talking about my work, blank stares ensue.
Posted by: leigh | November 14, 2008 9:01 PM
Plus, when I commented, I was fresh from Physioprof's blog, which always makes me a little quicker of tongue. ;)
Well, there's your problem JLK! You must never read Isis the Scientist immediately after PhysioProf! You must always read Dr. Isis first!
Posted by: Isis the Scientist | November 14, 2008 9:14 PM
LOL!!! I know, Dr. Isis, I know. But in my quiet desperation of waiting for a new Goddess blog, I ventured over to the potty-mouthed Prof. I couldn't help myself.
Posted by: JLK | November 14, 2008 11:04 PM
Fuck that shit, Scientit!
Posted by: Comrade PhysioProf | November 15, 2008 5:58 PM
"Out of my field?" WTF?!?!? Boggle.
A few weeks ago I attended the Jansky Prize lecture. Now, I've been in industry for more than thirty years, astronomy was never my field anyway, and a huge load has happened in the mean time anyway.
It was utterly fascinating. Running into Dr. Wolfe the next morning over breakfast (including good cinnamon buns and lovely coffee) and having the chance to chat was frosting on the cake. And I still don't understand most of what we talked about, but the utter hotness of the science was Not To Be Missed.
Once upon a time, entire colleges dined together and shared each other's discoveries across the whole of human learning. Even if those days are gone forever, it still boggles me that people who are actually fortunate enough to be around an MRU every day can miss the luscious nomnomnominess of the goodies all around.
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dcs: who, fortune permitting, will be heading back to study more physics (and maths, and metallurgy, and chemistry, and ...) at a killer RU in two years.
Posted by: D. C. Sessions | November 15, 2008 7:06 PM
I always try to attend the department seminars whether they fit my research or not. I will branch out to other departments when interesting speakers/topics are on the agenda. Seminars (like lab meetings) can get in the way of your projects, but they are critical for success in research. You can learn a lot about science and the "business" of science by taking in seminars regularly. Arranging a meeting with the seminar speaker can be even more enlightening....
Posted by: Liam | November 22, 2008 5:04 PM