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The Egyptian goddess Isis was celebrated as the ideal wife and mother. The blogger known as Dr. Isis has some fancy-sounding degrees and is a physiologist at a major research university working on some terribly impressive stuff. She blogs about balancing her research career with the demands of raising small children, how to succeed as a woman in academia, and anything else she finds interesting. Also, she blogs about shoes. In fact, she blogs a lot about shoes.


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Ask Dr. Isis... Mr. Isis + Little Isis = ?

Category: Ask Dr. Isis
Posted on: January 30, 2009 8:07 AM, by Isis the Scientist

Dr. Isis is largely indisposed at the moment.  She's neck deep in some crazy-awesome science (or is it awesomely crazy?), and regrets that she's been unable to visit her supplicants, worshippers, toadies, and underlings.  Instead, she sent me, the humble Mr. Isis, to fill in for a day.  I have no shoes (worth posting) and don't understand why women need more than, say 20 pairs of shoes.  I myself only have 3 pairs (black, brown, tennis), and a pair of slippers.  And I wear them until the soles are gone.  Just so you know where I'm coming from.  Frankly, I think Dr. Isis has been coddling the lot of you, and I won't stand for it.  Take this letter, for example, from that Becca character who keeps posting in the comments:

Oh Most Exalted Goddess Isis!

The most recent "ask Dr. Isis" reminded me of something that has always made me feel ever-so-slightly uneasy about your beloved blog (and indeed, all the other women in science blogs I am familiar with). You present an amazing picture of yourself as a kick-ass scientist and domestic goddess. Your blog offers considerable insight into what caring for a small child is really like for you (3am posts and all; the good, the bad, and the totally bizarre of parenting). Yet, there is something curiously absent in your blog. There are very few posts that give a good indication of the role Mr. Isis plays in raising Little Isis. Now I assume Mr. Isis must be a special man to have attracted the attentions of the Goddess, yet he is not discussed very often (and sometimes when he is, it is as a rather lovable but slightly dim fop needing nearly as much help as Little Isis!... and yes, I'm thinking of the forgotten underwear).

You point out that childrearing won't be a responsibility shared completely equally between men and women until men learn to squeeze out the spawn. Now, in observing the process of pregnancy, I'm struck by how all-consuming it is for the mother (even the early stages). But frankly, what scares me about having a child is not (just) the 9 months of pregnancy, labor, recovery time, and breastfeeding. No, it is the 20 + year commitment of centering your life around the needs of another human being. The truth of the matter is Dr. Isis did not miss work to sing "five little monkeys" with Little Isis because she was the only one biologically equipped for it (well, Mr. Isis could be a tone deaf, I suppose... but you know what I mean). Do you feel the parenting responsibilities for Little Isis fall too much on your shoulders? Do you feel Mr. Isis does his part and then some, but there is simply too much? Did you formally discuss parenting work load with Mr. Isis prior to having Little Isis (and if so, did it help)?

First, a big misconception needs to be cleared up:  I am not tone deaf.  In fact, I have a lovely singing voice, sing in the church choir, sang a cappella in college (yes, sometimes I feel like Andy from The Office), and am generally pretty darn musical.  If anyone in this house knows how to sing "Five Little Monkeys," "Twinkle, Twinkle," "Livin' On a Prayer," or "I Touch Myself" (I love the Divinyls), it's me.  So there.  Any impression you've gotten to the contrary is incorrect.  Also, I had nothing to do with the fop-iness of my character in this blog.  If I had had a hand in constructing your image of me, I would have been brawny and handy and extremely virile.  And while I can be as dim as any dude, I stand by my decision to not go buy underwear at Christmas, and I'd go commando on Christmas Day again if I had to.  I'm not proud.


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But look, Becca, you wanted to know about my role in raising the Isis Brood, and how we all decided who was going to do what around here, and about the role of parents in general.  These are reasonable questions, I suppose, though I don't much like the cut of your jib.  Let's tackle them one at a time (because I'm methodical like that).

Do you feel the parenting responsibilities for Little Isis fall too much on your shoulders? Do you feel Mr. Isis does his part and then some, but there is simply too much?

Oh, Mr. Isis does his part, Becca, let me assure you.  He does more than his part.  But you know what?  So does Dr. Isis.  It's not a competition.  Becoming a parent means that you have chosen to add an incredible, completely unfathomable responsibility to your life, one that you will never be rid of (you will still be, or at least feel, responsible for that person, 20+, 40+, and 60+ years into the future).  And any competent parent will often feel like they have way too much responsibility on their shoulders.  It's just part of the territory.  We suspected that going in and tried to be as prepared as we could going in.

But Becca, you can do the best job you possibly can, and you are still going to feel, from time to time, that you're not doing enough.  The first time Becca's Baby falls down and chips a tooth you're going to curse yourself for not putting foam rubber over your hardwood floors.  When you miss a swimming lesson because your experiment ran long, you're going to be heartbroken.  And when you are explaining to your advisor that Chapter 4 of your Thesis isn't done yet because Becca's Baby had a fever all week, you'll cry a little.  Frankly, no matter what happens or doesn't happen, or what you've done or failed to do, you'll always feel slightly inadequate because you are unable to fully serve two masters.  That sucks, but as the Dread Pirate Roberts taught us, "life is pain, highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something."


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But here's the good news, Becca:  for all the feelings of inadequacy, all the worrying, all the mistakes and heartbreaks, it's totally worth it.  When Becca's Baby says his or her first science word, when Becca's Baby squeals your name with glee after you get home from laying down some hot, hot science, when Becca's Baby pulls you into the living room to dance to "You Ain't Nothin' But a Hound Dog," none of that other crap will matter.  As payment for all the headaches, you get moments that are absolutely perfect.  So perfect as to make everything else better.  So perfect that some days, you don't mind staying home late one morning and having to do a bunch of extra work later because Becca's Baby needs to sing "Five Little Monkeys" over and over and over again with you.  
 Because most people (and I believe this includes you even if you aren't sure, since you care enough to think deeply about the question), come to realize that, when they decide to start families, the child becomes intricately interwoven into the fabric of their own lives.  It's not that you need to alter your life to accommodate a kid.  It's that your life is fundamentally altered, and what happens to your child happens to you as well.

Did you formally discuss parenting work load with Mr. Isis prior to having Little Isis (and if so, did it help)?

Long before Dr. Isis and I started our family, we did, in fact, sit down and talk about how we saw our roles as parents, what we would be willing to do or to give up for our children, and how we wanted to interact with them.  Neither of us was entirely willing to give up their career (and, frankly, Dr. Isis shouldn't have been.  She's worked her freaking ass off to become Dr. Isis, and I think she should get to do whatever the hell she wants with that), but both of us realized that some sacrifice was going to be necessary to make this thing work.  When Little Isises (Ises?) became a realistic and attractive option, we had the conversation again.  And when Little Ises were imminent, we had the conversation again. And, believe it or not, we've had the conversation more than once since then.

What roles parents are going to play in their children's lives should be evaluated and reevaluated on a regular basis.  Because these roles and responsibilities can, and perhaps should, change over time.  I'm not ashamed that, at certain points, I've put my professional needs on hold to accommodate those of Dr. Isis and the Isis family unit.  I left a job when Dr. Isis came to MRU, and have spent time at home with the brood.  And Dr. Isis has been very clear about what requirements her job has, and how she can best contribute to the raising of our spawn.  And I try to be as accommodating as possible, understanding the pressures that we both are under as professionals, as writers, and as parents.  We generally take turns getting up at night, she does swimming lessons on Tuesday, and I get to go to choir practice on Thursday.  She tries to be home to make dinner every night, with the understanding that I can take care of things if need be.  I take care of the morning routine and transportation. 

So, yeah, these talks help, Becca, but don't be so naïve as to think that just because you've had The Talk the situation is resolved forever.  No parent knows exactly what to expect as they raise their kids, and where their priorities will shift and by how much.  Remain as flexible as possible in that regard, and open to new opportunities for both of you.  Nothing in parenting is ever static.

 

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I will give him one thing ...the Mr. is as long-winded as the Dr. is ... though some of that might be the 'Becca quotes'.


"The first time Becca's Baby falls down and chips a tooth you're going to curse yourself for not putting foam rubber over your hardwood floors."

Our oldest fell, at 4 years old, going into the dentist's office and knocked both her front teeth out. Blood everywhere..!! Luckily we were at the dentist's office so she got quick emergency care and there was no long term damage.

But I will never forgive myself for letting it happen. Even though she barely remembers the incident. Some memories, good and bad, you never let go.


Hey, very nice refutation of charges of foppishness . . .you big, bad commando you...


...tom...
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Posted by: ...tom... | January 30, 2009 9:19 AM

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Hi Mr. Isis!

I'm about to embark upon the same journey as you (crosses fingers for grad school applications) and Dr. Isis, and it's wonderful to hear advice and experiences of people who have already traveled the path. I guess from all the blogs I've read of PhD mamas, it seems that the most important things when raising a kid while being a totally hot scientist are compromise, communication with your partner, and being able to work around the collisions between life and work. Am I right?

Of course, I'll never *totally* get it until I am Nekohime PhD and I have spawn running around as well, but it's nice to have some insight to what it's like.

Posted by: Nekohime | January 30, 2009 11:26 AM

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I think it's more than compromise and communication with a partner, it goes back to choosing a partner too. I'm amazed every time I hear a married couple say partner 1 wants kids and partner 2 doesn't. That's whether to have children at all, not when to have them. This is a question that needs to be asked before marriage, and frankly, fairly early in a potentially serious relationship.
The same goes for child rearing. The world would be better if this could be taken for granted that couples plan to share parenting responsibilities. The goal isn't 50:50 since there's really do way to measure, but, if both people want full-time careers, parenting needs to be shared. If a couple doesn't see eye-to-eye on that general topic, there will be serious problems later on.

fyi, I also ended my last job to move with my wife to her current job. Opposite the Ises, I currently do the cooking and my wife does the transport.

Posted by: bsci | January 30, 2009 11:44 AM

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Congratulations to you on running The Big Starship today , and Good Luck to the Good Doc. I hate to break The Guy Rules, and come right out and say it, but face it.... The [s] little ladies [/s] better 1/2, I mean better 2/3s just could NOT do it without us. (Not counting kd lang, Ellen and Rachel! :))

We are the ones that have to go out, into sub-arctic temperatures, or equatorial heat to purchase stuff while they sleep on the couch.

We are the ones that have to expand upon the damn 5 little monkeys to examine the probable outcome on the social system and socialization and supply issues of what might happen when doubling the population sampling size of the monkeys.

And I am absolutely 100% sure that you would never, ever, even think about polishing all 1,000+ shoes, regardless of the type and /or lack of clothes involved in the bribe to shine the said shoes. Right???

Posted by: J-Dog | January 30, 2009 12:01 PM

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Hi Mr.Isis!! its so great to meet / read you! Totally on the money about flexibility and communication! Its also about remembering what the other partner does do as opposed to doesn't. Its never going to be 50/50, thats to hard.But as long as everyone is doing a part and trying to ease each others burdens than we're good. I probably do more of the "parenting" right now, but its also b/c monkey wants me. When he is sick, tired, hurt or scared its me. Playtime is dad. But MR.SM does a considerable amount of housework (laundry, dishes, washrooms, floors).

Posted by: ScientistMother | January 30, 2009 12:40 PM

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@ Neko

Darn tootin'! Constant communication and compromise. It's also worth remembering that there may be things you are unwilling to compromise on, and that's understandable. But those things have to be communicated openly and honestly, and accomodations need to be made within reason to help keep parents sane.

@ bsci

You're right too (smart class today). Choosing the right partner, whose long-term goals roughly match your own is essential. Parents who feel like they've been dragged into mother or fatherhood are inherently going to be less engaged and involved, and their spawn will grow up to enrage us all with their bitter and cynical outlook. How do you think the world got Dick Cheney?

@ J-dog

Okay, who the hell let you in here?

@ SM

"Its also about remembering what the other partner does do as opposed to doesn't." Well said, very well said. I've got my eye on you, ScientistMother. I predict great things.

Posted by: Mr. Isis | January 30, 2009 1:03 PM

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I think Doctor Isis has done gone and go herself an eloquent and edumicated man. Eppendork likes the cut of Mr Isis's gib and well loves the fact just a little bit that you have three pairs of shoes - how cute is that? My better bit owns three pairs of shoes also - is this like a magic number for the male of the species that Eppendork doesn't know of? Better bit also likes to cook and Eppendork lets him - she knows her place. Well done Mr Isis for supporting the Goddess (although tbh you are doing as you should do - still cant fault you on that one).

E.

Posted by: Eppendork | January 30, 2009 1:30 PM

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Apologies that should read got herself - I am sleep deprived - no excuses bad Eppendork - was that enough self flagellation for you Mr Isis?

Posted by: Eppendork | January 30, 2009 2:34 PM

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Apologies that should read got herself - I am sleep deprived - no excuses bad Eppendork - was that enough self flagellation for you Mr Isis?

Posted by: Eppendork | January 30, 2009 2:38 PM

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I own slightly more shoes than Mr. Isis, but only slightly. Brown, black, running, cleats, and winter boots, as well as slippers. I find myself doing a double take at Mr. Isis. I too sang for ages (a capella - both barbershop and folk trio; in a choir, and in a madrigal choir), am lithe, handy, and virile (at least, I'd have folks believe so), and would happily go commando rather than set foot in stores around Christmas.

I agree with all the stuff here. Mrs. Epinephrine and I switch roles from time to time, and our parts overlap. Communication is VITAL. And you can't measure one thing against another, and you each have your own needs.

Mrs. Epinephrine needs alone time far more than I do, for example, but finds cleaning relaxing - so I will often end up with all the kids on a weekend morning, heading out for a hike or a museum, while the Mrs. cranks up the tunes and cleans house with no interference and no children. If she wanted to hike and hated housework, we'd come to a different arrangement. We both like shovelling snow, so we generally take turns with that. I'm the designated vomit/poop handler, as I have no difficulties with these things, nor with blood. She's better with a pair of tweezers than I am, so she does splinter removal. Et cetera.

One thing that helped us incredibly was me staying home with the kids while she worked. Now she stays home while I work, but I know how taxing it is to manage the horde, so you bet I appreciate it. Parenting is teamwork.

Posted by: Epinephrine | January 30, 2009 2:38 PM

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Hi Mr Isis,

that is a great and wonderful post! Thanks!

Posted by: Fia | January 30, 2009 2:45 PM

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When we started our family, I had just sold my first novel and my h was working on his doctorate. It worked out. We share and shared 50-50 in raising our daughters. And I think they've benefited a lot by that. I know I have.

Posted by: Lilian Nattel | January 30, 2009 2:47 PM

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Mr. Isis you are too kind. That bit of wisdom was gained from doing the opposite too often. Time teaches us all eventually.

Posted by: ScientistMother | January 30, 2009 7:51 PM

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I'm thrilled to read this post and all the comments agreeing that it doesn't always have to be 50/50 sharing in everything as long as everybody pulls their weight! What common sense over the "trend" a few years ago of husband's don't do enough because they don't do 50% of the housework without considering what they sometimes do 100% of the time.

Mr. Isis, you are spot on about parenting being a lifetime role. My children range from 27 to 41. I've got four lovely grandchildren and that just starts the cycle all over again. We never quite stop growing and neither do our children.

Posted by: Donna B. | January 30, 2009 8:50 PM

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This is just the perfect read for me right now! Now that I've secured a job near him, we've started talking about careers, kids, etc. This post gives us lots of good jumping-off points, so thanks for it!

Posted by: unbalanced reaction | January 30, 2009 9:18 PM

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The world would be better if this could be taken for granted that couples plan to share parenting responsibilities. The goal isn't 50:50 since there's really do way to measure,

The solution to that is for both to shoot for 65% or more in hopes of maybe hitting 50%.

Actually, that's a good rule in any part of life.

Posted by: D. C. Sessions | January 30, 2009 9:20 PM

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Hi, Mr. Isis! It's nice to meet you. Your wife is my favorite blogger ever.

Posted by: Juniper Shoemaker | January 31, 2009 4:39 AM

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@ Juniper

That's funny, she's mine too.

@ Epi

I'm glad to know I'm not the only designated poop/vomit handler in the world. For some reason, I expected the lovely Dr. Isis to be more clinical about such things.

Posted by: Mr. Isis | January 31, 2009 10:09 AM

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I squeezed him out of my vagina, Mr. Isis. You handle the poo.

Even still, I still get the short end of the deal...

Posted by: Isis the Scientist | January 31, 2009 10:12 AM

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Nice post, dude!

Posted by: Comrade PhysioProf | January 31, 2009 11:53 AM

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Thank you, Mr. Isis. 'twas just what I needed.
well, except maybe this part...
" Becca's Baby pulls you into the living room to dance to "You Ain't Nothin' But a Hound Dog," " Really, Mr. Isis?... Elvis, really??
I mean, I suppose there's the Lilo and Stitch factor to consider, but still...

The one thing that does give me pause is that if there's a magic formula for men dictating that the best ones are former singers who don't like to own shoes and do like going commando, it occurs to me I may have made a terrible mistake (that's a joke, if either of you boys [you know who you are] are reading this).

"Frankly, no matter what happens or doesn't happen, or what you've done or failed to do, you'll always feel slightly inadequate because you are unable to fully serve two masters."
In a weird way, this is comforting. At the same time, I wonder if the second part is accurate. When all is said and done, I think most parents feel, at some point or another, inadequate. Doesn't matter how many masters they serve. Ditto for researchers. On the plus side, maybe there's some cross-training benefit.

Posted by: Becca | January 31, 2009 6:20 PM

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My feelings on Elvis are best summed up by Stephen Hyden on the Onion AV Club (http://www.avclub.com/articles/avqa-sacred-cows,23217/):

"But there is one artist I feel very protective of, and, like Sheriff Wydell in The Devil's Rejects, I will kick the living shit out of anyone who speaks a derogatory word about him: The King, Mr. Elvis Aron Presley. I'm not saying you have to revere Elvis, but at least do your homework before dismissing one of the most important people—not just singers or musicians—of the last century. No other rock singer touched on as many different styles, stayed at the center of pop culture as long, influenced as many other important artists (in music and elsewhere), or just flat-out created as much joy in the world, as Elvis. Even if you don't like Elvis, I bet you like at least one of his songs. Who else can you say that about?"

And seriously, if you can't rock out to Old School Elvis, there's something wrong with your ability to feel joy. I will now entirely discount every opinion you heretofor have offered or will offer at some point in the future.

Posted by: Mr. Isis | January 31, 2009 10:55 PM

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Ahh, Mr. Isis, you sound just as hot as your wife. Thanks for an amusing yet informative post.

Posted by: Candid Engineer | February 1, 2009 8:47 AM

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Mr. Isis- I certainly enjoy some Elvis songs. But I do need the aid of animated characters to get into 'you ain't nothin but a hound dog'. And yes, there is something wrong with my ability to feel joy; I've known that for years.
I will go forth and Youtube to see what I can do to remedy the matter.

Posted by: Becca | February 2, 2009 10:43 AM

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Elvis was a hero to most But he never meant shit to me Straight up racist that sucker was simple and plain Motherfuck him and John Wayne Cause I'm black and I'm proud. I'm ready and hyped plus I'm amped Most of my heroes don't appear on no stamps.

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Posted by: BikeMonkey | February 2, 2009 4:38 PM

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