I am quite literally bouncing my my chair over posting another letter today. Have I mentioned how fun this is?
This one comes from a woman I met a few years ago at an American Physiological Society event. She was president of the APS at the time and I found myself standing next to her. I was new to the society, having moved into this field from a distant field, and was feeling a bit overwhelmed by all of the new faces and the feeling that I knew no one. I'm not sure how, but I worked up the guts to turn and introduce myself to her. While we only spoke for a few minutes, she treated me with such kindness that it made an impression and made me feel welcome. I can guarantee that she does not remember meeting me; I remember meeting her. She is the kind of person who not only does great things herself, but empowers others around her to succeed. I am a huge fan and honored to present a letter from Hannah Carey, Ph.D.
Dr. Carey is Professor of Comparative Biosciences in the University of Wisconsin School of Veterinary Medicine where she studies gastrointestinal and liver function in hibernating mammals. Her work is an excellent example of translating knowledge gained from studying animal physiology to treating human pathology. She's a member of the Faculty of 1000, active on a number of committees both presently and in the past, and author of 71 publications. She's a visible and vocal supporter of trainee scientists. Here she is at Experimental Biology and the David Bruce Award ceremony this year:
Figure 1: Past APS President Dr. Hannah Carey and Current APS President Dr. Gary Sieck with this year's David Bruce awardees. Dr. Isis was totally there in, hands down, the hottest shoes in the joint.
Plus, as you'll read, she's a lover of the shoe. Here is her letter:
Letter to my scientific daughters...
I'll admit it, I am a science geek. I know it every time I get that hard-to-put-into-words feeling when some science tidbit - or large bit- grabs me and gives me a little thrill. I knew early on, as a little girl that this love affair with science was going to be one for the long haul, so at some point late in high school and into college I started to think "how will I keep this going, and growing, when I have to get a job to support myself?" After toying with the idea of becoming an applied scientist (clinical work in veterinary medicine), I discovered that academia was the way to go for me. The trick was figuring out how to navigate the waters - not so easy when your parents don't have a clue about how to pursue a PhD, not to mention become a scientist. But happily, they were always supportive and trusted I knew what I was doing. My mother in particular was enormously supportive throughout my career.
So here are some tips from the trenches. Follow your instincts, keep asking questions, do your homework, believe in yourself, don't lose sight of your passion for your work. Here's a very important one: find that mentor...mentors...who are willing to offer their advice. I found that the more you place yourself in the pathway of potential mentors, the more likely it is you'll bump into one who will provide a magic key that will help guide you along the way. And don't be afraid of being unsure of the next step, because out of confusion and uncertainty comes clarity. That happened to me as I was finishing up my Ph.D. (in field ecology), and thought I knew what my next step should be yet there was this uncertainty, this confusion ...and then someone (darned if I can remember who that was...) suggested I go talk to Dr. X on my campus (UC-Davis). My instinct urged me on, so I made a date, we met on the quad for coffee and within 30 min of meeting he sensed what I needed to do. That talk, and the advice he gave changed profoundly the next steps I took in my career. Don't be afraid to go where you never thought you would go before.
One excellent way to increase the probability of bumping into those mentors who help shape your academic life is to become actively engaged in the larger scientific community. This made a lot of sense to me early on because let's face it, I'm a science lover and I like to hang around with others of my kind. The person who first handed me the magic key to scientific engagement was my superb postdoc mentor, Helen Cooke, who took me under her wing as a nascent physiologist and pointed me straight towards the American Physiological Society. It soon became clear I had found my scientific home. My involvement with the APS started as a trainee member of a committee (the Women in Physiology Committee), and lo and behold, I eventually made my way to the top...I recently finished a term as President (the third woman to hold the position since 1887). It was an amazing, challenging, time-consuming and utterly worthwhile experience, aided in large part by my favorite executive director and science pal, Marty Frank. All the committees and task forces I worked with on the path to the executive cabinet were similarly worthwhile. Please, my daughters, consider becoming involved in whatever scientific society best fits your interests. There are multiple ways to do so, depending on your skills and interests and the time you have to devote to society work at a given point in your career. We need you. Science needs you. And you will benefit from it, I assure you. I also strongly encourage you to engage in public outreach about your work, and about science in general. Why? Well, for one thing, it's a blast... and it's so very important. I've now done outreach presentations to folks whose ages range from 4 years (an amazing pre-school class) to 99 (as part of a way-cool seminar series for a senior living community). It is extremely rewarding to have people come up to you and thank you for taking the the time to talk with them about science. Educating the public in user-friendly terms about what we do, why we do it and why we love it, is the right thing to do. It's good for science and good for humanity.
I have had, and continue to have many outstanding male mentors and colleagues that brighten my scientific world. That said, I'm sorry to say I've also have had some difficult experiences related to my being a woman student and later, a woman scientist. One involved sexual harassment by a college professor. Back then, sexual harassment education was virtually unheard of (in my experience, anyway), and in my fear and yes, shame, the only person I confided in was my roommate - she was a godsend. Things are much better now, due in large part to heightened (and often mandatory) awareness training. But stuff still happens. Luckily there are good folks all over the place these days, both male and female, that are more than willing to assist if you feel uncomfortable or threatened, either personally or professionally.
I have been blessed with some awesome female scientist friends. We share with each other our experiences in academia and industry and science journalism. We support each other unconditionally and provide help and advice when we can. Some of us collaborate, and what a thrill that is when we discover new things about nature together. We eat and drink together and we shop. Yes, some of us have been known to sneak out of scientific meetings to steal away for an hour or so, join forces and find that special dress, or pair of shoes (!) that one of us is in need of. And at some Experimental Biology meetings, we have allowed one scientist of the XY persuasion to accompany us - the only one ever to do so (although I cannot divulge his identity, suffice it to say he has held the top leadership role in the APS in the past).
Female scientists who juggle their careers with family responsibilities are my heroines; I view them with awe. That has not been my situation, but I want to say a word to those of you who may similarly not have significant family commitments tugging at your time and attention. You may find yourself at some point, as I did, working more, maybe too much, just 'cause you can. That's OK...but remember that we all need to take care of ourselves as people first, whatever our life situation may be. Work on that balance between your personal and professional lives just as our wonderful female colleagues who are mothers must do. Your science and your trainees will all be the better for it.
Hannah Carey




Comments
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Dr. Isis was totally there in, hands down, the hottest shoes in the joint.
...truelol...
It is good to have a fixed, rock-solid point of reference in ones life.
...tom...
P.S. Uh oh. First comment. I could be farking it up...
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Posted by: ...tom... | May 16, 2009 1:12 PM
Magic key???!!!
Isis, some letters like this can be okay, I guess. The enthusiasm definitely shines through
But I really hope the letters won't all be like this.
Posted by: msphd | May 16, 2009 3:05 PM
1) I can personally vouch for the hotness of the shoes on the godess' feet that night. And, well, an overall hotness aura about her as well.
2) Hannah Carey is as cool as she sounds. She lectures with enthusiasm and her powerpoints are actually creative and interesting. She was also, BY FAR, the most enthusiastic and supportive APS president I've ever seen. And the science she drops is the hotness, fo' sheezy.
Thanks, Hannah, for giving us some amazing advice. Sadly, the sexual harassment is still commonplace in our field. It feels like it's much worse at the professional meetings (something I'm still juggling in my head). However, I do appreciate the network of supportive and collaborative men and women who surround me. What a cool job we have, eh?
Posted by: ElectroFizzz | May 16, 2009 3:12 PM
Hannah volunteered to spend a generous amount of time with the children at Preschool of the Arts, a progressive preschool that follows the Reggio philosophy. In addition to art, music, and pre-reading skills, the children set the tone by expressing their interests- the curriculum follows. This preschool classroom was interested in hibernation, studied with Dr. Carey for an afternoon in the classroom (complete with a variety of hibernating, cold stuffed animals in a cooler), and took a bus to spend a morning in Dr. Carey's lab. Very, very cool.
Hannah also volunteered to give a talk to a group of older adults living in a retirement community, as part of their life-long learning series. Art and culture typically attract the crowds, but Dr. Carey's talk was standing room only. The talk was not dumbed down, like so many speakers tend to do when addressing an older crowd. The question and answer period was vibrant and stimulating. The residents talked about it for weeks afterwards.
Scientists like Hannah truly open up new worlds to the very young, very old and those of us in between. It is a gift, and I for one am grateful that my five year old son, and the older adults whom I serve - all grew from Hannah's presentations. Many, many thanks!
Posted by: cls | May 16, 2009 4:01 PM
MdPhD, I invited these women to write about whatever they wanted, without editorial input from me. Hannah Carey is as engaging and enthusiastic in person as she comes across in this letter. She's also a tremendously successful scientist.
I know that you've had some unfortunate encounters with science, but rather than saying that you dislike letters like this, maybe it would be more productive to ask what these women are doing that allows them to be successful and enthusiastic.
Posted by: Isis the Scientist | May 16, 2009 7:31 PM
Dr. Hannah Carey you rock. What I really liked about your letter is that it applies to all (male and female). I too was fortunate to have a great mentor, a world famous scientist in his field. It is great scientists like you, who are willing to mentor that make the next generation of scientists great. Not all great scientists are willing to mentor. Thank goodness for those, like you, that do.
Posted by: Danimal | May 16, 2009 10:01 PM
Dr. Carey, thank you for this letter. So many times, persistence in seeking out those mentors pays off beyond our wildest imagination.
Posted by: Academic | May 16, 2009 10:31 PM
I should mention that the women left of center (Figure 1) is almost the spitting image of my sister. I had to look twice to make sure it was not so.
Posted by: Danimal | May 16, 2009 10:51 PM
One of my fav letters so far! Of course, everytime I read a new one I declare it my fav. :) Seriously, thanks especially for the shout out to those of us who aren't playing the multiple roles of wife/mother/scientist. Those issues get a lot of play - and rightly so! - but your advice was timely and I appreciate the callout.
Posted by: postdoc | May 17, 2009 8:27 AM
maybe it would be more productive to ask what these women are doing that allows them to be successful and enthusiastic
Isis, I thought that was the point of these letters? Or are they just to celebrate a few successful women for being already famous?
My point is that there isn't any constructive advice here that we haven't heard before. There's also very little in the way of admitting that there are usually struggles, and most importantly, what to do about it.
At my university, we sometimes have successful women speak about their careers. One thing I've noticed is that many of them are loathe to talk about their setbacks and how they overcame them. Sometimes when we cajole them, however, they admit they did have some, and then when we cajole them further, they share a few of the things they learned the hard way.
So maybe you do have to ask. I hope you'll emphasize, in requesting more of these letters, the need for talking about what was difficult and what was learned, as much as bragging about what worked out "magically" well in the end.
Specific anecdotes tend to be more instructive (and by specific I mean, names can still be omitted if necessary, obviously) than what are now cliches about juggling and believing in yourself.
Sure, it's great to hear when you're new to the field, and it's great to see already-successful women scientists highlighted anywhere. But we can also get that kind of content outside the blogosphere.
Using cliches as mantras only helps for so long. I think many of us find later in our careers that we need more concrete advice to get over the hurdles.
You have a unique opportunity, in this kind of venue, to do something more concrete. You don't have to edit the content, but maybe you should make your requests for these letters more explicit, give these women a little more guidance?
I think that Letters have the potential to make an enormous contribution to the next generations of women in science. But they won't have as much impact if you're not willing to ask the tough questions, and these women aren't willing to answer them for us.
Posted by: msphd | May 17, 2009 6:09 PM
Hannah, Pamela, Wendee, Janet, and Pascale all read the blog. Hannah admitted in this letter to an issue with sexual harassment as a younger scientist. Wendee wrote about specific interactions she'd had with male colleagues. Pamela wrote specifically about committee work and Pascale write about advice she'd given her daughter
I have told these women that they should write approximately 500 words (as a rough guideline, I don't edit the length) and told them that I wouldn't edit the text. They've each written what they think is important.
But, rather than pigeonhole the letters as "unhelpful" en face, why don't you ask these women to elaborate? Ask them (or me) a question about something specific. You seem to want them to deliver exactly what you want, but they (or I) can't read your mind to know what questions you'd want answered. They've established a dialogue. Pascale comments here daily and I know that one of them would answer you. If they don't answer and I can't, I'll find a colleague who can. But, again, you've got to ask the question.
Me telling them what to write about is not helpful. I mean, if I want people to write what I tell them to write, I might as well write the letters myself. Except, that's exactly what I've been doing in writing a blog, isn't it?
I have provided you a place for the dialog, but it can't be one-sided. I won't accept your assessment that this project is unhelpful until you've offered them the opportunity to help.
Posted by: Isis the Scientist | May 17, 2009 6:29 PM
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Excellent thoughts Dr. I.
It seems odd that one would have to remind this august group, your readers, how a blog comment section might 'best' be used.
I fear this comment might be 'lost' to many though, in that they might not be back to see it. Especially give the scienceblogs site being unable to deliver 'comment alerts'.
Perhaps the basic thoughts here might be worthy of a separate blog post..?? Just a thought.
...tom...
'who loves to comment, silly-ly or seriously, as the mood strikes... '
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Posted by: ...tom... | May 17, 2009 11:38 PM
Just wanted to say thanks for the project, I really enjoy these and hope that if I have a daughter someday she will have something like this to inspire her and answer her questions.
Again, thanks.
Posted by: DJ | May 18, 2009 9:19 PM
All I'm saying is, saying that she was sexually harassed and never reported it is not particularly constructive advice, although talking to her roommate about it is better than nothing.
What I would like to know is, how do these women handle professional science political setbacks. That's what I said in the comment above, too.
I find it un-inspiring to think that Hannah Carey has been successful because one incident of sexual harassment is the only setback she ever experienced (?!). Seems unlikely. And if it were true, we would all be highly successful!
For an example anecdote, one woman professor told us that as a junior professor, she wrote an entire section of a program project grant that was funded, only to be cut out of receiving any money in the end (while everyone else in her department, all men, received full funding for all sections, including hers).
The above story was inspiring in the sense that she somehow got past that, but the mechanics of exactly what happened to keep her going and got her where she is today... were not entirely clear.
I guess I want to know if these things are so painful that these women choose to forget them? Is that the only way to cope? Shake it off? Do they really want to claim that nothing like that ever happened to them?
Do they have any advice we're not likely to come up with on our own?
I'm not saying you should tell them exactly what to write about, but maybe frame the question in a slightly less open-ended way? Maybe ask them specifically to talk about what kinds of things sent them looking for a "magic key"-? And did they find it? And what did they do when they felt like they couldn't keep going? Didn't they ever feel that way?
I think that as scientists, calling a solution "magic" implies that there is no explanation, which is inherently unsatisfying and non-instructional.
Posted by: msphd | May 20, 2009 1:21 PM