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The Egyptian goddess Isis was celebrated as the ideal wife and mother. The blogger known as Dr. Isis has some fancy-sounding degrees and is a physiologist at a major research university working on some terribly impressive stuff. She blogs about balancing her research career with the demands of raising small children, how to succeed as a woman in academia, and anything else she finds interesting. Also, she blogs about shoes. In fact, she blogs a lot about shoes.


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Wait!!! Who's Calling Who a Misogynist?!?!

Category: Feminist StylingsMotherhood
Posted on: October 16, 2009 9:22 AM, by Isis the Scientist

Someone on the interwebz is being taken to task for some things that he wrote about women. Just that we can all be clear, other than commenting on the action, I had nothing to do with it. Not me, this time folks. Move along trolls. Totally nothing to see here.

That's not going to stop me from commenting on the fiasco now though.

A couple of days ago Martin over at Aardvarchaeology commented on some advertisements he'd seen of alleged mothers and their children. Martin writes:

Here's what I mean. I don't claim 100% accuracy, but I believe I can usually tell on sight whether a woman has given birth and nursed a baby or not. It's part of the difference between girls and women. There is also the simple issue of at what age women usually have kids in the West. So when the travel agencies want to illustrate parenthood and show us a cute 7-y-o kid being held by a really pretty, pert, skinny woman in her late 20s, I just shake my head. It's obvious. They stick a kid model onto the lap of a grownup female model who has no kids, and sometimes they also equip the pair with a grinning hunk of a male model with good hair, playing dad.

Somewhere outside the picture frame is the kid's real mom. She's not in her 20s and she has given birth and has nursed and is probably not skinny, though most likely pretty too, and she has the build of a woman. During the photo shoot she's probably sitting around with the kid's dad whose hair is going and who isn't skinny either. I'd be more open to buying a ticket if the ads featured real families instead.

Click on the link above to see the advertisements that Martin is talking about. I have to admit though, I am shocked. I thought everything in Sweden was totally hot. My dreams of moving my lab to Sweden are shattered.


Video 1: Vroom vroom, Sweden!

One of Dr. Isis's favorite bloggers Candid Engineer and the internet's newest goatfucker Terrfied Tabetic have taken Martin to task in their own delicate ways.

So, at what stage did Martin jump from well-meaning to d00d into the land of the wackaloon?

Well, to start there is one small glimmer of stuff that Martin said that I can agree with.  Advertising does set unrealistic expectations for the female form.  Recently, there's been a bit of a war in the blogosphere over Ralph Lauren's blatant photoshopping of Filippa Hamilton.  Hamilton was photoshopped so severely that her head appears bigger than her waist.


ralph lauren model.jpg
Figure 1: Hamilton now claims that post-incident she was fired from her job as a Ralph Lauren model for being too fat. At 5'10", Hamilton is 120 lbs and a size 4.
 
So, I get where Martin is going with the idea of unrealistic expectations.  However, he goes awry by discounting one set of norms and embracing a second.  Martin divorces "you must be thin to be beautiful" and marries himself to "after you have a baby, you're going to get chubby and I can tell."    I think that is also unrealistic.  Not every woman who is pregnant loses her original form post-pregnancy. We're all different, and that's where these assumptions go wrong.  Martin rejects one standard and embraces another -- but neither standard fits every woman.  We start out different sizes.  We may end at different sizes.  We may choose to have children in our 20s, like I did.  We may wait until we are in our 30s.  There is nothing that you can "tell" by looking at a woman.

Child birth fundamentally changes us as women and one of the things that some women fear (at least I did) is that they will not feel the same in their bodies after they've had children. I'm just going to throw this out there..  There's a certain amount of ick factor in hearing a dude on the internet telling women that our post-baby bodies give him wood.  That our post-baby bodies are a more sexual form. In a follow up to the first post, Martin writes:

To me, it's sad to see a woman touting her ability to get skinny again after childbirth as a virtue. Sweetheart, you don't need to look like the models in the ads. And, frankly, once that first baby pops out, you will never look quite like a girl again. My point is that you really shouldn't want to. (The men don't mind. That's why children get siblings.)
What I should or shouldn't want is irrelevant.  Little Isis will get a sibling because Mr. Isis and I decide that we want to take on the responsibility to caring for, educating, and raising another offspring.  Not because my post-Little Isis form makes it impossible for Mr. Isis to keep his penis out of me.

I know that you're trying here, Martin.  I do.  And I know that you wanted to post something with a feminist perspective.  But the way to do that is to tell us about how the ads are unrealistic (I'll give you that.  The women in those ads may very well have BMIs less than 18), and then advocate for ads that show a diversity of women.  Not to create a whole new scheme of over-generalizations.  So, try again, little muffin.  I look forward to your next attempt.

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did u see ralph lauren "apologize" for the photoshopped pic. He said they goofed up, it wasn't what they meant to do, just a bad digital artist..... they didn't mean to exaggerate it so much, kind of like a typo. well....get a load of this pic. Tell me someone at Ralph Lauren wasn't planning a whole campaign around monstrously photoshopped women.

http://jezebel.com/5381844/yet-another-ralph-lauren-photoshop-of-horrors

Posted by: rb | October 16, 2009 11:11 AM

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It's good to know that I have the blessing of Isis.

Posted by: Martin R | October 16, 2009 12:44 PM

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@Martin: Whoa pilgrim, I didn't read that as the blessing of Isis. She's asking for a do-over, a try-again, a possibly you might get some extra credit after making a heinous F if you do a little more introspection as to why your comments were found to be abrasive. Cause let me tell you, they are abrasive over-generalizations.

Posted by: gnuma | October 16, 2009 12:50 PM

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Amen, gnuma. That is exactly why I am saying.

Fuck it. The kinder, gentler Isis was no more effective than the Isis that calls out asshats. I am going to go back to my old style of calling d00ds goatfuckers.

Posted by: Isis the Scientist | October 16, 2009 12:55 PM

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Amen, dear goddess, amen.

Posted by: Nekohime | October 16, 2009 2:03 PM

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I would also like to challenge Martin's assertion that you can tell a woman who has given birth. I refer you to the Sports Illustrated swimsuit issue in which Heidi Klum is shown wearing nothing but body paint approximately 3 months after giving birth to child #3. Her shape is tauter than mine was before baby #1. Of course, she is PAID to get back in shape, while I am paid to sit around, write stuff, and order dialysis.

Posted by: Pascale | October 16, 2009 4:53 PM

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@Pascale- Indeed, Heidi Klum was my go-to woman for an example of a thin and taut post-child woman.

Posted by: Candid Engineer | October 16, 2009 5:00 PM

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I was thinking of Dara Torres, who won a US National swimming championship at the age of 40, just over a year after having given birth. She is slim and muscular and doesn't appear saggy anywhere.

Of course Torres and Klum aren't "average" women, but that's the whole point - the "average" doesn't tell you much of anything about individuals, especially when it comes to something as variable as body shape.

Also, I find it really annoying when guys feel the need to tell women not to worry about unrealistic beauty standards because they find women with saggy or small breasts, pudgy abdomens, or wide hips sexually attractive - especially when it's prefaced with a negative comment about women who are concerned about or unhappy with their shape. How I feel about my body is no one's business but my own..

Posted by: Peggy | October 16, 2009 5:39 PM

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But the way to do that is to tell us about how the ads are unrealistic (I'll give you that. The women in those ads may very well have BMIs less than 18), and then advocate for ads that show a diversity of women.

Since when are ads supposed to be realistic? Is anyone under the impression that what models wear on the runways are clothes that women can or will wear in real life?

If you are offended by a particular company’s ad campaign, the best thing to do is to not buy their product. A drop in sales will get their attention – whining on the internet is just free publicity.

Posted by: Hope | October 16, 2009 6:50 PM

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The kinder, gentler Isis was no more effective than the Isis that calls out asshats.

Effective at what? You can't expect to convince an true asshat no matter what you say. That's why they're asshats. I could imagine that at times the kind, gentle tone would be more effective at reaching non-asshats who are a bit confused. (Apparently the latter category does not include Martin.)

Posted by: Charles | October 17, 2009 9:38 AM

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I am think that Martin R, he a little bit sarcastic when he say he have "blessing of Isis", no? Isis is pagan goddess, only G-D Himself can give the blessing.

But I think Isisthescientist, she is right for tell Martin R that he should not tell the woman how she must look. Body you have is gift from G-D, if slender and beautiful or if pudgy (thank you for teaching to me the new word, Peggy) and ugly. Is always gift from G-D and should be worship for being part of G-D creation.

Posted by: Porno Lily | October 17, 2009 4:12 PM

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One of my issues with Martin's post is that there are people much like myself out here who had terrible luck in the genetic lotto. I have never had a girlish figure, at 20 I have the limp sagging breasts of someone much older and a fair-size belly to boot. Were he to look at me he would likely determine that I had given birth.

Posted by: Zan | October 19, 2009 2:52 PM

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