Mike the Mad Biologist

…are stupid morons together. Matt Taibbi, while discussing 9/11 Truthers, describes creationists perfectly (italics mine):

Absolutely. I make this point with Truthers all the time, that the whole direction of everything they do is the opposite of what finding out the truth is. They approach the subject matter in much the same way a defense attorney does. A defense attorney takes a case and he sees six pieces of evidence that are going to convict his client, and he sets out to destroy those six pieces of evidence, irrelevant to the actual truth of the situation. That’s not to denigrate defense attorneys, but that’s what they do. It’s exactly the same thing that Truthers do. They just take the 9/11 Commission Report piece by piece, and they try to break down links in that evidentiary chain that compose the official story, but they never really try to find out what happened. They’re just trying to convince you that the official story couldn’t possibly be true. For instance, the stuff about Hani Hanjour–the hijacker who reportedly made that maneuver into the Pentagon. They’re really hopped up about the fact that he was a bad pilot and couldn’t have made that sophisticated maneuver. But they make absolutely no effort to tell you what actually did happen. They’re like, “Oh, it could have been a remote-controlled plane.” Offhandedly, they’ll say that. [Laughs.] Like that’s a very simple thing. It’s really weird.

The creationists’ “remote controlled plane” is the constant refrain that intelligent design requires more work or is a new theory.

Fucking morons.

Comments

  1. #1 blf
    July 26, 2008

    How often do defense attornys lie, or instruct their clients to lie? Mislead or omit or conflate or confuse or misdirect, very probably, but flat-out lie?

    And now waiting for an infestation of toofers in 3… 2… 1…

  2. #2 Pantagruella
    July 26, 2008

    I think when you use coarse language, you forfeit the argument. You also forfeit the argument when you classify those who disagree with you as morons. It’s tantamount to saying “Anyone who disagrees with me is a moron.” A person who says this is not arguing. A person who says this does not understand argument.

  3. #3 Joshua
    July 26, 2008

    There’s a fucking difference between basing your fucking argument on fucking insults and just swearing because it’s so fucking appropriate given the fuckers you’re fucking dealing with.

  4. #4 Rebecca Watson
    July 26, 2008

    I concur with Joshua. That fuck weasel.

  5. #5 decrepitoldfool
    July 26, 2008

    Pantagruella, that’s a pretty coarse heuristic for picking sound arguments.

  6. #6 Matt Hussein Platte
    July 26, 2008

    The Creationists have never produced a shred of physical evidence such as, f’rinstance, M. Atta’s intact passport.

    We realists *have* such evidence so our story is provably tru… oh, I see… you’re not referring to the government conspiracy, the one that would have us believe target shooting with a Jumbo Jet is no more difficult than, say, parallel parking the family Suburban? And that Mohammed’s wallet accidentally fell out during the conflagration and magically landed on the sidewalk where an innocent government agent would accidentally find it? You’re not talking about that conspiracy theory?

    Never mind.

  7. #7 Luna_the_cat
    July 26, 2008

    decrepitoldfool wins. {bows}

  8. #8 bjorn
    July 26, 2008

    Am Communist Party wrote a book, “We will never surrender” (named = but historical analysis of old austria hungary, was sold in few copies)

    Completion

    We can not survive without neoliberalism (am project = information, force, its own responsibility, etc).
    Sex, violence and work.
    Then, it is the Jewish question – many Jews in the labour movement (selling in intellectual solutions that kommunistpacket today “mass empty words without substance”).
    The same mentality today = perhaps that nature is moving towards eradication. The control of some media – and similar organizations.
    The Devil’s people (easy on eliminating).

    Count 1 million times
    What gave nybyggaranda etc

    Spider, which can kill judgement

    It was a jew girl who now is named Rebecca Lord
    She was not horny, but well on the crafty manipulation of others (Rebecca mata hari).
    She was fitted and dejected, but one day she committed suicide.
    Then came a klumpedunsröv from israeli higher uni, Haifa, and would learn empiricism but then struck schizopartikeln to, and it scratched at the robber and he pulled out a hemorojd
    it was shown to contain a worm that later destroyed a large part of the human world

    it was late in the history books
    astroillium israelis

    particle =
    nervous system has, of course, new data on databasförmåga (activates when the schizophrenia of us)
    Tex send nano-robots and religious cultural context and play on (socialpsykologi) and then endanger humanity
    threat to humanity

    when you sit in a solitary confinement (by 1000 mdr who really would gone to the West-am project) and attackhund who rapes and våldsmusik

    Chinese-Chinese person who he said
    now gaining ground, we manchuriet
    so hästarmén who was genklonad
    and sold his Old Norse kýr
    it turned out later that he was a little underestimated
    so it impoterade a cow

    (vv spread on)

    Brainlaw for optional (energy used right tex alpha waves)
    Props in EUrope

    Obama = optional, and be able to govern, one should say have 300 iqpoäng otherwise is not optional.
    Individuals should be able to control the environment (cf. chosen best in the past to defend the stem end, but today also the environment, science, art, personalities, creativity and above all the complexity).
    Set is most important (based on 300 and a superstructure)

    We would introduce the following countries

    http://vitgulworld.blogspot.com/
    http://katolskaeuhydrahelvetet.blogspot.com/

  9. #9 Luna_the_cat
    July 26, 2008

    …er…was that a spambot, or someone desperately in need of psychiatric care?

  10. #10 Chris Tucker
    July 26, 2008

    Matt Hussein Platte, so, the paper journal of the Israeli astronaut killed in the Columbia disaster, as well as other papers and the like, that was found relatively intact, despite the fiery disintegration of the Orbiter, is evidence of what, again?

  11. #11 Tyler DiPietro
    July 26, 2008

    “Matt Hussein Platte, so, the paper journal of the Israeli astronaut killed in the Columbia disaster, as well as other papers and the like, that was found relatively intact, despite the fiery disintegration of the Orbiter, is evidence of what, again?”

    It’s obviously proof that Jews did the Columbia, too.

  12. #12 dhogaza
    July 27, 2008

    I think when you use coarse language, you forfeit the argument…

    Oh, and come to think of it, they’re exactly the same as climate science denialists …

    “You guys are so mean that the deniers (climate science, evolutionary biology, you name it) must be at least partially right”.

  13. #13 Kevin
    July 27, 2008

    Oh no, you poked the hornet’s nest of crazy.

  14. #14 Dan S.
    July 27, 2008

    think when you use coarse language, you forfeit the argument. You also forfeit the argument when you classify those who disagree with you as morons .. . .
    Posted by:
    Pantagruella”

    Well, that’s ironic:*

    The Life of Gargantua and of Pantagruel (in French, La vie de Gargantua et de Pantagruel) is a connected series of five novels written in the 16th century by Francois Rabelais. It is the story of two giants, a father (Gargantua) and his son (Pantagruel) and their adventures, written in an amusing, extravagant, satirical vein. There is much crudity and scatological humor as well as a large amount of violence. Long lists of vulgar insults fill several chapters.

    ———————

    9/11 Creationism: God Did It!

    * Like fuckin rain on your fuckin’ wedding day.

  15. #15 TCS
    January 7, 2009

    The fact is the 9/11 Truthers are the left wing equivilant of the right wing Bible thumping creationists- They are people completely detached from reality. Truthers are posioning the left with their lunacy, which is one reason I’m now a moderate. The radical left and the radical right are the same.
    If anything, the 9/11 Truthers amuse me with the variety of insane variety of theories- Among the theories they hold are:

    (1)Bombs were planted beforehand in both towers- with nobody noticing!

    (2) No planes crashed on 9/11, and all the footage of the crashed were fakes. (my personal favorite)

    (3) They claim no airplane debris was foind in Washington or PA- which is an outright lie, proven by photo evidence of wreckage
    (4) They suggest the planes were operated by remeote control- (LOL)

    The 9/11 Truther movement is a collection of anrachists, rabid anti semites and some people with serious mental illness. I have yet to see a Truth present concrete PROOF of a coverup. Such an undertaking would involve THOUSANDS of people- but no paper trail? No leaks? One Truther I spoke with suggested the were all shot. Funny how they have an answer for everything, but zero proof.

  16. #16 Todd rRce
    February 2, 2009

    Truthers are not all left wingers- some radical right wingers, like Neo Nazi groups blame 9/11 on the Jews-
    I suppose it’s proof that the further you go to the far fringes of the left or the right, they go full circle and become one in the same, the their bigotry and the rigidity of their thinking.

    I think there are different types of Truthers- There are those who don’t give it much thought, and just don’t trust the government- and these people couldn’t be bothered to look at the evidence. these pople are just ignorant.

    The ones that lack real jobs, and think of nothing BUT 9/11, and spend their days holding signs on street corners. They are no different than the Christian zealots that hold the ‘Accept Jesus or burn in hell’ signs.

    These people are mentally ill, and thus totally detached from reality. They are not able to utilise logic in their thinking, which is why they cannot connect the dots to see the conspiracy theories are pure rubbish. Plus half these people live in fear on imagined shadow governments, men in black, and black hellicopers-
    Unwarrented paranoia and fear of persecution are further examples of the signs of mental illness that permeates the ‘truther’ movement.

  17. #17 bofors
    February 12, 2009

    I studied materials engineering at the University of Michigan for about 8 years, earned two degrees and achieved the rank of Doctoral Candidate. A few years ago, US News rated that program #1 in the USA, MIT was ranked #5. I won awards for my research and most it is published in a journal of high quality or elsewhere.

    The reason I have not been awarded my Ph.D. is that I accused University faculty of plagiarizing my work to get hundreds of thousands of dollars in US grant money. I spent about three years trying to solve this problem in State and Federal Courts before concluding that the US government is substantially corrupt and a fraud.

    I have been carefully studying 9/11 for about 2 years now and find the idea that “al-Qaeda” did it to be ridiculous and absurd. A two year old playing with blocks has the ability to determine that World Trade Building 7 (a 47 story skyscraper, not hit by any airplane) did not collapse to rubble in 6.5 seconds because of a fire (as claimed by the National Institute of Standards & Technology). It irrefutably provable using nothing more that High School physics too (numerous videos show that World Trade Building 7 fell at exactly free fall speed for about 20 meters or six floors).

    I recently contacted the civil engineering faculty at the University of Michigan, which is ranked about #8 nationally in that field. It was very clear that none of them believe the US governments’ stories about “thermal expansion” causing the total demolition of all three of the World Trade Center buildings either.

    Architects & Engineers for 911 Truth (AE911Truth.og) has well over 500 professionals, including almost 100 licensed structural engineers. They are demanding a real, scientific investigation into the murder of some 3000 people.

    I could go on here for pages… the pools of molten metal under the three World Trade Center buildings that NASA thermal imaging captured, the FBI’s bogus Anthrax investigation, Able Danger, NORAD.. but I am wondering is wrong with you people? How can you be so stupid as to not see through the obvious lies?

    Oh.. that’s right, you have been brainwashed by living in a society controlled by television. Maybe it’s time to unplug…

    ~bofors

    PS: Bankers own Obama.

    AE911Truth.org
    911Blogger.com
    Infowars.com

  18. #18 Bart
    April 15, 2009

    “…World Trade Building 7 fell at exactly free fall speed…”

    Since objects in free fall accelerate at 32 feet per second per second, there is no unique and precise “free fall speed”. You might want to see a professional psychiatrist in regard to your issues.”

  19. #19 alain
    April 28, 2009

    You could argue endlessly about who did 9/11, how they did it, and how events that follow really happened (i.e. the falling of buildings, the missing bodies) and never to reach meaningful conclusion. Why? since you don’t have access to materials that could answer the questions. Why? because those had been promptly destroyed and/or hidden away.
    Why were they destroyed? So you all can bicker till the sun goes nova and never know the truth.

  20. #20 alain
    April 28, 2009

    …so, if you want to know the truth, put those who ordered the ‘cleaning-up’ of evidences on truth serum and ask them who ordered them.

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