Mike the Mad Biologist

Not so much. Because, according to a letter signed by over 400 hundred U.S. rabbis, Fox seems to have a Glenn Beck problem:

We are rabbis of diverse political views. As part of our work, we are devoted to preserving the memory of the Shoah, and to passing its lessons on to our future generations and to all humankind. All of us have vigorously defended the Holocaust’s legacy. We have worked to encourage the responsible invocation of its symbols as a powerful lesson for the future.

We were therefore deeply offended by Roger Ailes’ recent statement attributing the outrage over Glenn Beck’s use of Holocaust and Nazi images to “left-wing rabbis who basically don’t think that anybody can ever use the word ‘Holocaust’ on the air.”

In the charged political climate in the current civic debate, much is tolerated, and much is ignored or dismissed. But you diminish the memory and meaning of the Holocaust when you use it to discredit any individual or organization you disagree with. That is what Fox News has done in recent weeks, and it is not only “left-wing rabbis” who think so.

Abe Foxman, National Director of the Anti-Defamation League, a child survivor of the Holocaust, described Beck’s attack on George Soros as “not only offensive, but horrific, over-the-top, and out-of-line.” Commentary Magazine said that “Beck’s denunciation of him [Soros] is marred by ignorance and offensive innuendo.” Elan Steinberg, vice president of The American Gathering of Jewish Holocaust Survivors, called Mr. Beck’s accusations “monstrous.” Rev. Welton Gaddy, president of the Interfaith Alliance, called them “beyond repugnant.” And Deborah Lipstadt, professor of Holocaust Studies at Emory University, says Beck is using traditional anti-Semitic imagery.

“I haven’t heard anything like this on television or radio — and I’ve been following this kind of stuff,” Lipstadt said. “I’ve been in the sewers of anti-Semitism and Holocaust denial more often than I’ve wanted.”

We share a belief that the Holocaust, of course, can and should be discussed appropriately in the media. But that is not what we have seen at Fox News. It is not appropriate to accuse a 14-year-old Jew hiding with a Christian family in Nazi-occupied Hungary of sending his people to death camps. It is not appropriate to call executives of another news agency “Nazis.” And it is not appropriate to make literally hundreds of on-air references to the Holocaust and Nazis when characterizing people with whom you disagree.

It is because this issue has a profound impact on each of us, our families and our communities that we are calling on Fox News to meet the standard it has set for itself: “to exercise the ultimate sensitivity when referencing the Holocaust.” We respectfully request that Glenn Beck be sanctioned by Fox News for his completely unacceptable attacks on a survivor of the Holocaust and that Roger Ailes apologize for his dismissive remarks about rabbis’ sensitivity to how the Holocaust is used on the air.

Fox News responds in its usual classy way:

A Fox News spokesman brushed off the complaint in the usual fashion, attributing it to a “Soros-backed left-wing political organization.” But that’s not going to fly: The statement’s signatories included the chief executive of the United Synagogue of Conservative Judaism and his predecessor, the dean of the conservative Jewish Theological Seminary rabbinical school, and a number of orthodox rabbis.

Of course they won’t sanction Beck or apologize. Why should they? There’s no cost to them if they don’t.

So how do we impose a cost? Keep in mind, Beck and Fox News are miserable on many different fronts: the Coalition of the Sane is in this together.

Conserva-troll Be-Gone: Supporting the policies of the Likud Party doesn’t not make you an automatic friend of the Jews. Sorry.

Comments

  1. #1 Art
    February 1, 2011

    [blockquote]So how do we impose a cost? Keep in mind, Beck and Fox News are miserable on many different fronts: the Coalition of the Sane is in this together.[/blockquote]

    I think this is the action line. Fox, et al, bullshit and make up lies and are never taken to task, or pay any penalty. The lies get rebuffed and clearly shown to be false but remain points of reference. I suspect that this has to do less with the lies being factual statements, true or false, and more to do with them being emblematic of fear and feelings. They are the intellectual version of throwing the gun after you run out of bullets. They are an expression of pique and protest. An attempt to hurt and offend the opposition.

    The letter from a rabbis shows it worked. Mission accomplished. Look for more of this sort of thing until the means and will to extract a price is found and applied.

  2. #2 David
    February 1, 2011

    No insult against the opposition is too unfounded or too crazy for Fox. Obama’s not a citizen. Obama’s a communist, Obama’s a Nazi. Their attitude seems to be that they say something based, not on whether the data supports their claim, but rather on whether they think their claim might do damage.

    Their behavior is in line with the idea that the end justifies the means. They don’t mind making negligent and probably untrue statements, if it accomplishes their goals.

  3. #3 Capain Patriot
    February 1, 2011

    Glen Beck is not making war on Jews. He is simply comparing the far left radical troublemaker /communist revolutionaries to Hitler style government. Obama is NOT a nazi, but he does show qualities of a socialist revolutionary. Some of his interviews and speeches from before he was president sound like a DICKtator from a communist country. All the talk of “universal” healthcare, fundamental transformation, energy costs necessarily skyrocketing, collective good of the people, all sound radical socialist which usually ends up being run by fascist evil dictators like Castro, etc.

    All Fox News is doing is actually reporting the news that is happening that the left wing frauds in other media outlets refuse to cover. The lamestream media is actually on the side of the radical left nutjobs.

    Secular Oppressives always talk about Fox News and how much they hate it. They don;t have to watch. They could always go to a secular oppressive news agency such as CBS, NBC, PBS, MSNBC, CNN, NPR, Huff and Puff Post, New York Slimes, and about 50 other newspapers. We have ONE news agency that actually acts as an individual entity and doesn’t follow lock step with the rest of the lefties, and they all go crazy over it. I don’t understand.

    If you do not like Glen Beck, the change the channel. At least that’s what the left wing radical nuts told evangelicals when they tried to ban porn from tv. Back then the case was “free speech”, but I guess Fox News has no right to free speech. Only the left wing radicals get to decide what is free speech and what is not. That’s why I hate socialists. They always want to control everything. Control freaks should be their title.

    I applaud Glen Beck for his little tirades against evil and the fact that he is exposing the most dangerous warlords, criminals, and vermin that is secretly trying to destabalize the world on purpose in order to form a socialist nation. Wait. National Socialist sound familiar. Something about a National Socialist Labor Party. Hmmm….

    Hitler himslef was a hater of religion. He was a hater of capitalism. he was a hater of Israel. He was a friend of radical Islam. He was a friend to national socialism. Sounds like todays’ modern Democrat Party.

    Wasn’t it radical leftwing socialists who wanted to kill 25 million Americans back in the 1960s and form a new socialist union? Sounds like Hitler to me.

    All the van jones, Soros, Ted Turner, Cass Sunstein, Maurice Strong types of the world have many thing in common with Hitler. They all hate capitalism. They all Hate Israel (except Soros perhaps). They all love Islam, the more violent the better, they all love socilaism and athey all love getting the final say in who lives and who dies through medical death panels and forced abortions and population control. Yep Hitler would have loved them. Asshole is as assole does.

    I wonder if we can talk all the liberals and illegal aliens and socialists into moving to California and then hope an asteroid hits them the very second the last one is across the border. It would solve the world’s problems. No more revolution for social justice. Peace on earth at last.

  4. #4 Tercel
    February 1, 2011

    “[Hitler] was a hater of Israel.”

    Israel wasn’t founded until after WW 2. Learn to play, noob.

  5. #5 Drivebyposter
    February 1, 2011

    Captain Patretard strikes again!
    Gotta love the factually incorrect trolls.

    Show us where the fucking death panels are in the healthcare bill. And the forced abortions while you’re at it.

    Also demonstrate that Hitler hated religion, try reading Mein Kampf. It’s religion left and right in that thing. As justification for killing everyone.

    You are an imbecile.

  6. #6 Captain patriot
    February 1, 2011

    Didn’t Hitler say Christianity was a religion for the weak?

    Israel was not founded until after WW2? Are you sure about that? My Bible must have been written after WW2 then. Seems to me that Abraham was the father of three religions and the founder of Israel about 3000 years ago. At least that’s what my Bible indicates. Was WW2 over 3000 years ago? It was according to Toyota Tercel.

    You morons. Israel was founded long ago. Read the Old Testsament sometime and learn some history about the middle east.

    Hey drivebypuster. Are you at it again? Do me a favor. Take some gas-X, stick your head up your butt, then fart and blow your brains out. While you have your head in there, try to make peace ok? Nobody likes a drivebypuster.

    Death panels? Well. Techincially they are not called death panels. i is referred to as “end of life care”, aka assisted suicide, population control, death panels, whatever you want to call it. Same thing. Chnaging the name of something does not necessarily chnage its purpose.

    Forced abortions are not here yet, but Ted Turner would like to have it that way to ‘save the planet”. If he wants to save the planet, he should move to mars and take everyone who thinks like that way along with him. Environazis are such pests. Everyone knows that this whole global warming crap scam is nothing but a money redistribution ponze scheme. Everyone involved should be deported to the south pole – naked. Of course this sit ot “save the planet” of course.

    Once more, in case you head is still stuck for the enjoyment of it, Israel has been around for 3000 plus years. The land they occupy was given to Abraham by God himself. Read Genesis through Malachai. it explains the whole story.

  7. #7 Drivebyposter
    February 2, 2011

    Oh is that you Big Bad Teabagger?

    I wasnt aware that you were using multiple names. How pussyish of you.
    You never explained how I’m a pussy or how you’re anything but a troll.
    Stop wasting effort with your scatology and bestiality fetishes. They aren’t worth shit (pun intended) here.

    And those “death panels” sound like palliative care. You know…like taking care of people who are dying in pain after there’s nothing else that can be done for them medically. Are you against old age homes too?
    There’s no forced suicide. What’s wrong with assisted suicide if there’s no decent chance of getting better and you’re going to suffer needlessly and you get to decide on your own? Also most assisted suicide places require that it be a process that takes a couple days in case someone changes their mind and requires a mental evaluation to make sure the person is fit to even make the decision and isn’t just upset about something.

    Nice that you admit that you’re a liar on the forced abortion thing.
    Its fucking awesome how you can read Ted Turner’s mind and know what he wants when he hasn’t expressed anything like that.

    So your arguments about healthcare amount to nothing. By your own admission.

    Dipshit, Israel existed at 2 different points. The recent and relevant Israel was founded in 1948. It hasn’t been there for 2/3 of the 3000 years you say it has existed.

    God himself just told me I get your car. Give it to me.
    And if we are going by OT standards, shouldn’t you be out killing gays and witches?
    And the Israel doesn’t seem to give much of a shit about what god says about Israel seeing how the real life border doesnt match what is in the bible.

  8. #8 Katharine
    February 2, 2011

    Dude, Hitler hated secularism.

    Religion makes retards out of people, I swear.

  9. #9 Katharine
    February 2, 2011

    Also, a person’s religious book of choice is not proof of anything. You’re going to have to give evidence that’s stood up to the scrutiny of experts in the field you’re making claims about.

  10. #10 Wow
    February 2, 2011

    However, Katherine, when the book they write includes huge tracts of christian theology, their rhetoric uses the same theology within and all the people they are with, who support them and do their bidding applaud them as “a good christian”, then we can begin to say “they were Christian”.

    PS, Hitler didn’t get excommunicated for his acts. A women got excommunicated for divorcing their husband. Figure that one out on a moral scale. (hint: there isn’t one. the measure is “does this follow our rules yes/no?”).

    PPS note that nobody using this fact about hitler says that being christian means you will be a mass murderer. Yet a very loud section use atheism as the reason for being a mass murderer.

  11. #11 TTT
    February 2, 2011

    I applaud Glen Beck for his little tirades against evil vermin that is secretly trying to destabalize the world on purpose in order to form a socialist nation

    So you applaud him for having the exact same attitudes about Jews and even the same codewords about Jews that the Nazis did… but he’s actually not anti-Semitic? Fail.

    Beck’s vomit-broadsides against George Soros are indistinguishable from Der Sturmer / Elders of Zion anti-Semitism, even using the same iconography of “puppetmasters” and even “octopuses”. If you don’t know what that means, it’s your own fault for being historically illiterate, look it up for yourself instead of wasting other peoples’ time in an explanation. Julius Streicher did basically the same thing Beck did, and Eisenhower had him hanged.

    And then there are his multiple approving quotes from Nazi sympathizers and Jew-bashers, and that time his official Twitter feed gave its “thread of the day” award to a white supremacist Holocaust denial site. How many times does a person get to approvingly quote from some of the world’s most famous and open anti-Semites before you can come out and call him one himself?

    Beck is proof that you can support the Israeli army while at the same time being a bigot against American Jews and working constantly to have them marginalized–or worse.

  12. #12 Jim90069
    February 2, 2011

    Hitler was RIGHT wing, not LEFT wing. The Communists were and are LEFT wing. Educate yourself, Capt. Patriot! Nazi (Right) and Communist (Left) are terms that are NOT interchangeable.

  13. #13 eddie
    February 2, 2011

    Also, fox and other wingnuts’ support of israel is due to the fact that their governemt is continuing hitler’s policies of expansion, ethnic cleansing and genocide, putting barbed wire round people they consider untermensch and stealing their stuff.

    What gets me is why do liberals and/or progressives keep talking about them?

  14. #14 Captain patriot
    February 2, 2011

    @ drivebypusster

    As an independent sovereign individual I have the freedom and authortiy to choose whichever name I prefer. Sad that you do not have that same power since you are part of the “collective” that tells you what you must do rather than thinking for yourself as a sovereign person. Sad how society hates slavery so much but then enslaves themselves with socialism. Socialism is slavery. End of story.

    You are not getting my car. I am not communist, therefore I am not giving you anything. If you want it, you have to earn it.

    You are a dingleberry of the highest order.

    Your argument for socialism amount to nothing becuase socialism is a satanic ideal at best. Pun intended.

    Israel existed 3000 years ago. Yet the people who make Israel never went away. They were scattered abroad and returned to THEIR homeland in 1948. Therefore, Israel has only existed once.

    You big bad PEE HAGGER revolutionary numbnuts licker! I bet san fransicko would love you. Ever get your fudge packed before? Sound like you got it packed too tight there buddy.

    As for all the marxist lenninist america haters out there, I have a message. All together in unison, stick you arm up your neighbors but, grab their uvula and pull real hard. Screwing things up is what you are best at. Might as well complete the job.

    ___________________

    @ Jim

    Hitler was as left wing as it gets. Socialists are not right wingers. He was also a gun control nut. He control guns so that when his army took over the people would not have anything to defend theirselves with. Sounds like a democrat to me. Hitler was not a communist but ruled like one. To me there was little difference in Castro, Che, Mao, Lennin, and Hitler. All mass murderimg cock suckers. Especially that smartass homo che. I would loved to have pulled hi face hair out one by one. The little punk terrorist.

  15. #15 Roman
    February 3, 2011

    To be fair, calling the Republicans “Nazis” is something which I’ve seen done quite often by left-wing people on the Internet.

  16. #16 Lynxreign
    February 3, 2011

    @14 Captain patriot

    Wow, your ignorance is astounding.
    Hitler was as left wing as it gets. Socialists are not right wingers.

    Completely wrong. National Socialists are not Socialists. Hitler was right wing.

    Israel existed 3000 years ago. Yet the people who make Israel never went away. They were scattered abroad and returned to THEIR homeland in 1948. Therefore, Israel has only existed once.

    Wrong again. And in such a desperate way I hesitate to call it thought. It is simply inane drivel, wishful “thinking” at best. Germany was founded in 1870. There have been Germans for thousands of years. Does this mean you think Germany existed during the Roman Empire?

    Hitler himslef was a hater of religion. He was a hater of capitalism. he was a hater of Israel. He was a friend of radical Islam.

    You do love being wrong, but what can I expect of someone who loves Glenn Beck. Hitler was very religious. Hitler was a capitalist through and through. Israel didn’t exist in Hitler’s time. And Hitler being a friend to radical Islam is just inane.

    All mass murderimg cock suckers. Especially that smartass homo che. I would loved to have pulled hi face hair out one by one.

    In the future, please leave your little sex fantasies off the posts.

  17. #17 Lynxreign
    February 3, 2011

    @Captain parrot

    It occurs to me, it won’t make much of a difference if I point out that National Socialists aren’t Socialists because you don’t understand what Socialism is. You just know it is a big, scary word that your daddies on Fox keep telling you to be afraid of. Beck gives you someone to hate (other than yourself which would probably be your default state) and you latch on to whatever he says without understanding any of it.

    Your ignorance is appalling, exceeded only by your willingness to claim knowledge of history when you clearly haven’t read anything about it.

    Always remember “Patriotism is the last refuge of the coward.”

  18. #18 Captain Patriot
    February 3, 2011

    Socialism is the enemy of individual liberty and freedom. Is that not scary?

    Yes Israel has existed since God gave that land to Abraham. I support God’s people, not Islamofacists and left wingers who drool over their totalitarian style of rule.

    Patriots are cowards? Hmmm. People who stand up ans fight for their country’s sovereignty are cowards. That’s a new one on me. Seems to me that people who steal things from other people in order to make everyone “equal” are cowards and phsychopathic loons. Seek help. You need it.

    Hitler was not religious. He was involved in the occult (satanic)- the opposite of religion. He hated Jews – opposite of religion. He sided with Islamofascists – sort of religious. I suppose his love for “survival of the fittest” and views on evolution could be defined as religious. It does take a great amount of faith to believe in evolution. Hitler even stated that Christianity was a religion for the weak.

    Read a pre-1960s history book and learn somthing.

  19. #19 NJ
    February 3, 2011

    CP @ 18:

    Hitler was not religious

    Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2 –

    I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.

    CP @ 18:

    Read a pre-1960s history book and learn somthing.

    Perhaps how to spell?

  20. #20 Captain patriot
    February 3, 2011

    blah blah blah

    Spelling is irrelevant on a “science” blobs website. Just forget the whole argument. You will never get it. You probably still think humans evolved from apelike creatures.

  21. #21 Cpatain Patriot
    February 3, 2011

    Oh. You have alot of room talking about my spelling when you cannot even spell my post name out. What is wrong with people who abbreviate evrything. Too lazy to spell out whole words. Makes me sick. oops I meant MMS.

  22. #22 drivebyposter
    February 3, 2011

    It’s slavery to use one name in an anonymous discussion forum?
    That’s quite a fucking leap.
    Also that quote about Hitler saying Christianity was a religion for the weak or whatever?
    That was made up. By the French or something. The quote is supposed to have been said at a meeting, but if you were to read the entire transcript (in German, the original version), that quote isn’t there. It was thrown in later by a translator making the transcript of the discussion to make Hitler look evil-er or something.

    Also hating Jews is not the opposite of religious, it was considered part of Catholic doctrine and taught by many churches, but the Church urged that churches stop blaming Jews for christ’s death.

    Hitler was a lamarckian evolution, which was considered wrong even before Darwin’s theory, and Hitler banned all books supporting Darwinian evolution and all books that opposed christianity and creationism in general.

    Have you noticed that the majority of each of your posts is retarded ass insults and pissed off rants about how much you hate liberals, as opposed to substance? If you took out your remarks about fisting, bestiality, and stuff like that your posts would be pretty much GRR LIBERALS!!! I HATE YOU. YOU ARE EVIL. You aren’t even arguing a point, you’re just bitching at us and throwing out stupid talking points and various factual inaccuracies.

  23. #23 Captain Patriot
    February 4, 2011

    @drivebypuster

    right back at you.

    The Jews were not responsible for the death of Jesus. He came here on His own terms and agreed to take on death on behalf of the human race’s sin problem.

    Jesus willingly died. Do you really thing that the person who spoke the universe into existance could really be killed by mere man?

    Liberals do have their evil points. Social justice is one of those evil points. it is forbidden in some denominations. So is environazi justice too.

    Want to stop “global warming”? Then tell your govrnment to shut down HAARP and stop spraying aluminum into the atmosphere. Maybe it is man made after all. Military man that is.

    Evolution is a fairy tale for grown ups.

    McCarthy was right. The communists really did take over this nation.

  24. #24 NJ
    February 4, 2011

    CP @23:

    Then tell your govrnment to shut down HAARP and stop spraying aluminum into the atmosphere.

    So, a HAARP conspiracist, and (can’t quite tell from the aluminum bit) possibly a chemtrailer.

    Evolution is a fairy tale for grown ups.

    And, of course, a creationist. Plus previous posts give us mistaking Nazis for leftists (why did the Nazis hate the communists then?), standard use of socialism as an epithet without a shred of understanding, and a vast Soros-wing conspiracy to boot.

    Why don’t you tell us about the Protocols, the JFK assassination, the Illuminati & the Bilderburgs & the Trilateral commission as well as demonstrating you are both a troofer and a birfer?

    Do note that those non-standard spellings are generally recognized as insults.

    See, this is why you don’t have any friends. People listen to you and think Loughner or Cho.

  25. #25 Captain patriot
    February 4, 2011

    What do you know about the Trilateral Commission?

    Loughner was a radical anti-capitalist anti-George Bush left winger. His favorite readings indicated he was pure evil. Besides, his little worship of skulls and orange peelings noted that he was pagan – far from being right wing. Have you ever seen a Bush bashing pagan conservative before?

    I didn’t think so.

    Soros can kiss my buut. I will never give in to social justice or his new world order.
    He’s just a dirty old man with a fetish for tearing down capitialism and replacing it with satan inspired socialism.

    Do not know much about JFK except the CIA assasinated him and Oswald took the fall regardless of whether he was involved or not.

    Chemtrails? That’s an iffy thing. Never really seen a chemtrail myelf, so I couldn’t say.

    Birther? Well, I must admit that for a man of Obama’s intelligence and demeanor, he ha yet to provide proof that he was actually born here. It’;s not like we conservatives are asking for a blow job or something. All we want is to see his long form birth certificate. Is that too much to ask. It’s something that could take less than 5 minutes to do. Geez.

    Truther? Hardly. on 9/11 we were attacked by radical Islamofascists. The same tribe trying to take over Egypt. End of story.

    Have you ever read “The Politically Incorrect Guide To … ” series. Its good stuff. You will never see that hsitory printed in high school textbooks. Not as long as left wing radicals own and operate the education system.

    Oh, and global warming is a fairy tale for kids and grown ups alike. it fits right in with the universe just popping into existence all by itself.

  26. #26 lynxreign
    February 4, 2011

    @Captain Parrot

    Socialism is the enemy of individual liberty and freedom.

    Wrong. Not even a useful bad definition, simply propaganda and sloppy at that.

    Yes Israel has existed since God gave that land to Abraham.

    Wrong again. Please learn some history before you go trying to talk about it.

    Islamofacists

    A meaningless “scary” term.

    Patriots are cowards?

    People who constantly call themselves “patriots” and call others patriotism into question are, yes. That description seems to fit you.

    Seems to me that people who steal things from other people in order to make everyone “equal” are cowards and phsychopathic loons.

    As no-one is doing that, I’d suggest someone terrified of it as you are is the psychopathic one.

    Hitler was not religious

    Completely wrong. He frequently invoked Christianity as his cause, right down to having “God with us” on the belt buckles of his soldiers.

    He hated Jews – opposite of religion.

    Wow, you have no idea what you’re talking about. None whatsoever. Ever hear of the Inquisition? Progroms? Unless you’re suggesting that Christianity isn’t religion, which is a weird stance to take.

    He sided with Islamofascists

    What in the world are you talking about?

    It does take a great amount of faith to believe in evolution.

    No, that takes an education. Something you’re clearly lacking. Evolution is fact, moron.

    Read a pre-1960s history book and learn somthing.

    I’ve read plenty of history books, pre and post 1960s. I’ve read lots of original documentation as well. You haven’t the faintest clue what you’re talking about on any subject. My degree is in history, I’ve studied these things. You clearly haven’t.

  27. #27 Medicien Man
    February 4, 2011

    lynxreign

    So you never heard Islamofascists being involved in ww2 and you call yourself a historian? Of course there were a few good muslims who helped the Jews, but for the most part they were ever bit as evil as hitler himself.
    http://www.yale.edu/yiisa/jeffreyherfpaper2509.pdf
    Ever hear of Haj Amin al-Husseini ?

    Islamofascists is a term that descrimes jihadist muslims who want to Islamicize the entire globe and will kill and pillage to bring it to that point if necessary.

    Hitler hated Jews. If he loved them, he would not have killed 6 million or more of them. You dingleberry.

    Patriots love their country and protect and defend its borders from threats who desire to change that country from the inside out. Only soialists are america haters. if they loved America, they would not want to change it.

    Yes, socialism is the enemy of individual freedom and liberty. How is it not? It is enslaving. Yes stealing from someone to give that stolen good to someone else is now called wealth redistribution. I still call it theft, abuse, fraud, and criminal.

  28. #28 Medicien Man
    February 4, 2011

    lynxreign

    This is for you
    http://conservapedia.com/Nazi

    Read it and weep. Your revised and edited edition of your history books need to go back about 60 years and get some real history.

  29. #29 NJ
    February 4, 2011

    A question for our host, Mike.

    It seems ‘captain patriot’ and ‘Medicien Man’ are the same commenter. Is sockpuppetry considered out-of-bounds here?

  30. #30 kestrelsparhawk
    February 4, 2011

    It’s obviously too late to attempt to engage in dialogue, so I’m just going to suggest some points to those who disagree with the conservative posters, putting my (former) speech teacher’s hat on.

    1. An escalation of aggression never leads to good discussion. It closes it off.
    2. There are a lot of people, scarily, who believe such things. A few of them are good friends of mine, because we all agree that being wrong is not the same as being evil.
    3. If we want to come to agreement, we have to start where people are, as Saul Alinsky wisely said. Americans are taught that socialism steals from individuals, which is of course absolutely backwards. The point of socialism is that some things affect everyone and should be regulated by everyone. Until that issue’s addressed — and the difference between, say, a stalinist and Edith Nesbit or the Salvation Army clarified — there can be no argument, just verbal warfare.
    4. An appalling number of people think what someone calls himself is what he is — so if Hitler called his minions “National Socialists,” then they were socialists. Again, this is a structural problem, with education not giving its victims any tools to analyze.
    5. Being rather to the materialist left of socialism, I would point out that the majority of beliefs you decry are not merely common; there’s a definite correlation between class and belief. You might want to consider studying the reason for that, and (I’m trying not to get mad here; working class academic) being JUST A TRIFLE MORE SENSITIVE TO how your own privilege affects your reactions.

  31. #31 tybee
    February 5, 2011

    “I wonder if we can talk all the liberals and illegal aliens and socialists into moving to California and then hope an asteroid hits them the very second the last one is across the border.”

    i love the christian approach to society.

  32. #32 lynxreign
    February 10, 2011

    @Medicien Man

    Your incoherance is amazing! You should take that show on the road.

    Hitler hated Jews. If he loved them, he would not have killed 6 million or more of them.

    Of course he hated Jews, moron. The point I’m making is that hating the Jews does not equal “opposite of religion”

    “Islamofascists” is an incoherant term made up by and used exclusively by modern right-wing/conservative demagogues who want to whip up hatred and fear of a people. You know, like Hitler did about the Jews. It has no real meaning beyond that.

    if they loved America, they would not want to change it.
    So there’s nothing at all you want to change about America? You love Obama, taxes are just right, Social Security is perfect as it is, evolution is taught in schools, abortion is legal, the national healthcare law, etc… Remember, you just said if you want to change any of those things you don’t love America!

    Yes, socialism is the enemy of individual freedom and liberty. How is it not? It is enslaving. Yes stealing from someone to give that stolen good to someone else is now called wealth redistribution. I still call it theft, abuse, fraud, and criminal.

    Because that’s not socialism. It isn’t “enslaving”, it isn’t “stealing”. America has many “socialist” aspects to it today! There you go, hating America again. All it means is ussing public funds for the betterment of the nation as a whole. Social Security, Medicare, Public Roads, Public schools, these are all “socialist” to one degree or another. Taxes are “wealth redistribution”. Paychecks are “wealth redistribution”. Sales are “wealth redistribution”.

    This is for you
    conservapedia.com/Nazi

    Read it and weep. Your revised and edited edition of your history books need to go back about 60 years and get some real history.

    HA! You’re citing conservapedia! That’s the funniest thing I’ve seen all year! I only weep because there are people so ignorant that they think that site contains anything worthwhile. Again, idiot, I’ve read original documents from the periods I study, that includes 60 years ago. I’ve read history books from that era and ones from today and earlier and in-between. I look forward to hearing what your 60 year old history books tell you about Watergate. I’ve studied real history. You should stop listening to propaganda and listen to someone with a brain.

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