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Maybe she has a really good saving throw, though

Category: Weirdness
Posted on: May 31, 2006 7:05 AM, by PZ Myers

I've got good news and I've got bad news for Clara Jean Brown.

Worried about the safety of her family during a stormy Memorial Day trip to the beach, Clara Jean Brown stood in her kitchen and prayed for their safe return as a strong thunderstorm rumbled through Baldwin County, Alabama.

But while she prayed, lightning suddenly exploded, blowing through the linoleum and leaving a blackened area on the concrete. Brown wound up on the floor, dazed and disoriented by the blast but otherwise uninjured.

She said 'Amen' and the room was engulfed in a huge ball of fire. The 65-year-old Brown said she is blessed to be alive.

The bad news is that God hates her and is trying to kill her. The good news is that he's gotten incompetent in his dotage. I mean, lightning and a fireball? And both missed? Hey, God, here's a suggestion: next time, use Magic Missile. It doesn't do as much damage, but it never misses, and heck, she's a little old lady—she probably doesn't have much in the way of hit points.

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#1

Posted by: gravitybear Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 7:18 AM

Magic Missle?! *snort*
One of my favorite spells of all time!

#2

Posted by: Miguelito Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 7:36 AM

Comet Fall is my personal favourite.

#3

Posted by: Peiter Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 7:37 AM

She is blessed? By whom, Satan? Or was it Satan who threw lightning her way? Religious people confuse me...

#4

Posted by: Bronze Dog Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 7:53 AM

Wow. I don't even have to make a D&D or other gaming reference. PZ is truly one of us, one of us, one of us.

Who'd have thunk an old lady would have the evasion class feature? If not magic missile, God should use a spell that doesn't allow a reflex save. Probably something with a Will save, since she probably doesn't have much of that.

#5

Posted by: AgonThalia Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 7:55 AM

The good news/ bad news thing reminds me of the old show "The Critic" where movie review Jay Sherman says "my therapist was right, God does hate me."

and maybe the whole rapture things is just a modified "mass teleport" spell, and judging by god's casting ability, there could be thousands of christians accidentally teleporting into the vacuum of space, or into the sun. (oops)

#6

Posted by: Bronze Dog Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 8:00 AM

It's probably more like Plane Shift. The question is, is Heaven big enough to accomodate people being poofed in 5d100 miles off target?

#7

Posted by: No One Of Consequence Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 8:06 AM

...Plus at God's supposed level, he would get multiple Magic Missiles to hit her with. Even rolling all 1's, I would think he would be able to kill her.

#8

Posted by: Jake B. Cool Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 8:35 AM

My favorite is the Meteor Swarm spell found in Planescape:Torment, where you actually get to watch from the Meteor's point of view.

At least, living in Alabama, she was probably safe from a Cone of Cold spell.

#9

Posted by: Seth Gordon Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 8:40 AM

If only her family had been praying for her...

#10

Posted by: cution Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 8:51 AM

This confirms the results of that prayer experiment, that it's actually harmful.

#11

Posted by: Kristine Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 9:02 AM

So that's the cause, then.

Everybody, stop praying! Stop NOW!

#12

Posted by: Tsiatko Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 9:14 AM

Reminds me of the old National Lampoon spoof of the "Watchtower" magazine whose headline read:

"Floods, Tornados, Hurricanes- are they part of God's plan or is he just clumbsy?"

#13

Posted by: Vitis Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 9:15 AM

I wonder if Clerics ever find it disturbing that their god uses Wizard spells?

#14

Posted by: Vitis Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 9:16 AM

Wait, what am I thinking? God is obviously multi-classed. Duh!

#15

Posted by: Jormungandr Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 9:31 AM

"...Plus at God's supposed level, he would get multiple Magic Missiles to hit her with. Even rolling all 1's, I would think he would be able to kill her."

Only if she has less than 10 HPs (maximum of 5 missiles, 1d4+1 each)...
...and she dosn't stabilize as she bleeds to death...
...and God does not have the Maximize Spell feat...

...damn, I'm a geek... ;)

"I attack the darkness!"

#16

Posted by: Michael Drake Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 9:34 AM

Guess there's just something about her that rubs God the wrong way.

#17

Posted by: HPLC_Sean Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 9:50 AM

I salute your D&D reference even if it means we are all worshippers of the occult and will surely burn. Mrs. Brown obviously made two very important saving throws when it really counted. Boy, if this lady thinks she's blessed, I'm really curious to see what happens when she's cursed!

#18

Posted by: BlueIndependent Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 9:51 AM

she's a little old lady--she probably doesn't have much in the way of hit points.

HA HA! Now that is genuinely funny. =)

Well luckily the woman is safe after such a close call. But you all do realize this was God testing her with his might and magic to see just how faithful His dutiful daughter was, right? ;)

#19

Posted by: Bronze Dog Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 10:03 AM

Another bonus for magic missile: It's only a 1st level spell, so it's more energy efficient than 3rd level spells like lightning bolt and fireball.

Oh, and I put in my own two cents.

#20

Posted by: AJ Milne Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 10:14 AM

How 'bout that. God does play dice with the universe. And frequently loses.

#21

Posted by: Ed Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 11:32 AM

My great grandfather was killed one Sunday as he journeyed between his Mormon wives -- a sudden summer squall, he took refuge in his buggy under a tree. The bolt neatly took him out, left the horses fine. Surgical strike, you might say.

My grandfather was plowing one Sunday, and a dust devil picked up the horse, spun it around and put it down. Plowing on a Sunday again a few weeks later, a bolt from the blue knocked both the horse and my grandfather to the ground. As he described it, he got up, got the horse up, took the horse to the barn and never plowed on a Sunday again.

It certainly made his Sundays more pleasant.

#22

Posted by: moonflake Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 11:42 AM

IIRC, some friends and I worked out that Jesus would only have to be a 15th level cleric to perform all his miracles. It's the feeding of the 5,000 that's the tricky part, the rest are actually quite low level spells.

I wonder what God's alignment would be? I think we can judge from incidents like this that it's not likely to be Lawful Good.

#23

Posted by: Keith Douglas Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 11:47 AM

Bronze Dog: I haven't played in years, but according to the 1st edition Manual of the Planes, the 7 Heavens, like all Outer Planes, is infinitely large, so yeah, there's room, assuming a finite number of saved.

moonflake: The OT god is pretty close to chaotic neutral, IIRC.

#24

Posted by: HPLC_Sean Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 11:48 AM

I'd have to say that God is probably Chaotic Neutral.

#25

Posted by: saurabh Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 12:14 PM

What the hell are you talking about, moonflake? 'Create food' is a level 1 cleric spell... it would just take a shitload of mana.

#26

Posted by: Bob O'H Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 12:16 PM

It's never the big beasties (like gods) that cause problems anyway. They're easy to deal with: it's being attacked by the men with pointy sticks that kills you.

Bob

#27

Posted by: George Cauldron Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 12:31 PM


Who'd have thunk an old lady would have the evasion class feature? If not magic missile, God should use a spell that doesn't allow a reflex save. Probably something with a Will save, since she probably doesn't have much of that.

'Create food' is a level 1 cleric spell... it would just take a shitload of mana.

Is it just me, or did it suddenly just get a lot more nerdy in here?? :-)

#28

Posted by: Ian H Spedding Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 12:37 PM

Forget Magic Missiles, a Type II Phaser from 2287 will do the trick - vaporises a saucepan from right around the contents without leaving a mark (STVI: The Undiscovered Country). Now that's precision!

#29

Posted by: No One Of Consequence Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 1:03 PM

  • I was thinking that create food and water was possibly even a cantrip, but I never play a cleric, so I wouldn't know. But with the latest rules, I think you can trade down spells, so he could cast the needed 1st level spells using the high spell slots.
  • I think prayer improves your saving throw as well, but she still should have only saved for half unless she has tumble/evasion
  • yes, it is even nerdier/geekier than usual...and I love it.
  • #30

    Posted by: Bronze Dog Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 1:11 PM

    Nerd is the new black.

    #31

    Posted by: False Prophet Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 1:18 PM

    "I'm the God of the Truth and Light!"

    "If you're the God of Light, why are you casting magic missile?"

    [raucous laughter]

    "Where are the Cheetos?"

    :)

    #32

    Posted by: An Anonymous Coward Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 1:37 PM

    Boy, if this lady thinks she's blessed, I'm really curious to see what happens when she's cursed!

    Well, at the caster's option, she'd have either a -6 decrease to an ability score (minimum 1); a -4 penalty on attack rolls, saves, ability checks, and skill checks; or a 50% chance each turn to take no action instead of acting normally. Come on, man, it's right there on page 203 of the PHB! ;)

    #33

    Posted by: George Cauldron Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 1:44 PM

    Suddenly I feel like my acne is coming back, my hair is getting greasier, this weird pocket protector has just sprouted on my shirt, I can't get any dates, and Jimmy Carter is president again!

    #34

    Posted by: George Cauldron Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 1:48 PM

    Tho of course, the advantage to this is that no one's heard of Ann Coulter and George Bush Jr. is still just a harmless cokehead somewhere in Texas...

    #35

    Posted by: Paul W. Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 1:52 PM

    Bronze Dog sez:

    Nerd is the new black.

    After seeing the thread on the Left Behind game, my new African American wife has taken to calling me Untidy Whitey. Maybe now I can nip that in the bud and be her New Black.

    #36

    Posted by: mythusmage Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 2:13 PM

    It could be worse, it could've been Mythus. In Mythus lightning bolts and fireballs are targeted. The target takes the most damage, while those around him take substantially less. But, electrical attacks can get real bad if the target is in contact with metallic objects, while heat attacks can set things on fire. And no save. She's lucky He missed, and rolled crappy on damage.

    #37

    Posted by: Stanton Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 2:23 PM

    If you ask my opinion, God doesn't hate this old lady, and isn't/wasn't trying to kill her, yet.
    If He wanted to kill her, she'd be dead already. One way, or another.
    More likely, He was simply taking advantage of the situation and sent a divine message letting Mrs Brown know that she needs to remodel her kitchen, and get a tile floor, instead of tacky (and flammable) linoleum.

    #38

    Posted by: Alon Levy Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 2:23 PM

    Why does an entity that I presume is a Greater Power need to resort to low-level spells? Death Spell or Power Word, Kill shouldn't be big problems for a god.

    #39

    Posted by: Xtopher42 Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 2:26 PM

    20's. That's how she rolls.

    I think this is perhaps the most gloriously nerdy post I've seen from you yet, PZ.

    #40

    Posted by: Rich Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 2:55 PM

    Magic Missle violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

    #41

    Posted by: PZ Myers Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 3:01 PM

    Magic Missle violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics.
    Crap. It's a rules lawyer.
    #42

    Posted by: Rich Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 3:05 PM

    Phhh!

    New class "IDiot"
    NO IT'S NOT A CLERIC ALRIGHT JUST SHUT UP.

    HP 1D6.

    Level----------Ability
    1--------------"God of the gaps"
    3--------------"Qoute mine"
    5--------------"Polymorph diety into pseudoscience"


    saving throws:

    Peer review - 2
    Logic - 4
    Seperation clause - 18
    Religious indoctrination - 23


    #43

    Posted by: RCP Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 3:10 PM

    Since God randomly attacked some old lady, would it be safe to say that God is chaotic-evil?

    #44

    Posted by: Marcelo Greco Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 3:21 PM

    Why does an entity that I presume is a Greater Power need to resort to low-level spells? Death Spell or Power Word, Kill shouldn't be big problems for a god.

    But they don't look cool. Read Exodus again and see how the big guy has love for theatrics.

    #45

    Posted by: bernarda Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 5:23 PM

    I saw a similar story in a documentary on tornado chasers. There was a church with a tower in Oklahoma which was struck by the tornado. For some reason, two women were in the top of the tower praying. The church was destroyed and all of the walls of the tower were ripped away. Surprisingly the structure of the tower and the stairways remained, which the women walked down. There were pictures to prove it. One of the women was interviewed and she said that on coming down, she said "Amen".

    #46

    Posted by: NelC Author Profile Page | May 31, 2006 7:40 PM

    Magic Missle violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics.

    I'm pretty sure that summoning fireballs and lightning suffer from the same limitation.

    Crap. It's a rules lawyer.

    Well, God sounds like a munchkin, so perhaps it's appropriate.

    #47

    Posted by: moonflake Author Profile Page | June 1, 2006 3:20 AM

    saurabh: what are you talking about? there's no mana in AD&D.
    RCP: I'm with you on Chaotic Evil :)

    #48

    Posted by: wintermute23 Author Profile Page | June 1, 2006 7:06 AM

    God cannot possibly be considered Chaotic. Setting up a detailed body of arbitrary law (such as Leviticus) and doling out infinate punishment for minor infractions (eat a cheeseburger, go to Hell) is the act of a strongly Lawful god.

    My money's on Lawful Neutral: The Law is the Law, and you had better obey it, regardless of whether the Law is good or bad in any given circumstance.

    #49

    Posted by: Jormungandr Author Profile Page | June 1, 2006 7:59 AM

    "saurabh: what are you talking about? there's no mana in AD&D."

    This may be an example of people raised on the book/dice version of D&D (the true version) vs. the people raised on the computer/game console version of D&D (the heretics ;) ).

    #50

    Posted by: Keith Douglas Author Profile Page | June 1, 2006 8:30 AM

    Alon Levy: The lord is vengful but not merciless?

    wintermute23: But arbitrarily enforcing it isn't terribly lawful. If the ancient Hebrews had been the only group and it was applied consistently (e.g. people getting lightning bolted for speaking 'YHWH' allowed like in the old days), then, maybe.

    #51

    Posted by: Bronze Dog Author Profile Page | June 1, 2006 8:44 AM

    Let's not forget he killed a bunch of baby kobolds.

    (For non-D&Ders: D&D forums apparently have an ancient moral "debate" about whether or not a paladin would lose his lawful good powers if he killed baby kobolds out of spite. "Baby kobolds" is sometimes terminology for any pointless thread about alignment.)

    #52

    Posted by: RickU Author Profile Page | June 1, 2006 11:39 AM

    Just remember. It's not your child's fault. It's their gym teachers fault.

    #53

    Posted by: Flex Author Profile Page | June 1, 2006 2:57 PM

    Bronze Dog wrote,

    "D&D forums apparently have an ancient moral "debate" about whether or not a paladin would lose his lawful good powers if he killed baby kobolds out of spite. "Baby kobolds" is sometimes terminology for any pointless thread about alignment."

    I stopped playing D&D before forums existed and this debate was old even then. The silliness of the alignment system meant that most monsters are born with an inherent, unalertable morality.

    Wait... this idea seems to have cropped up in other venures recently....

    Maybe the good Rabbi is a D&D player?

    ;)

    -Flex

    #54

    Posted by: zilch Author Profile Page | June 3, 2006 1:28 PM

    "Look at all these votive gifts," Diagoras the atheist was told in the sanctuary of Samothrace, which houses the great gods who were famous for saving people from the dangers at sea. "There would be many more votives," the atheist unflinchingly replied, "if all those who were actually drowned at sea had had the chance to set up monuments."

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