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Posted on: November 26, 2006 10:14 PM, by PZ Myers
Just to squeeze in a couple of the Sunday carnivals here…
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DEEPAK CHOPRA RESPONDS:
The God Delusion? Part 3
November 23, 2006
Correction
Dear friends,
I want to thank the responders who pointed out that Fred Hoyle, the British astronomer who invented the phrase Big Bang, nevertheless opposed the notion of an expanding universe. I remembered one fact and forgot the other. My apologies.
Love,
Deepak
http://www.intentblog.com/archives/2006/11/the_god_delusio_2.html
Edited at HuffingtonPost:
If the universe is self-aware, it would explain the formation of a self-replicating molecule like DNA far more elegantly than the clumsy, crude mechanism of random chance. As the astronomer Fred Hoyle declared the probability that random chance created life is roughly the same as the probability that a hurricane could blow through a junkyard and create a Boeing 707.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-god-delusion-part-3_b_34497.html
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Addition at HuffingtonPost by Deepak Chopra:
The God Delusion? Part 4
I realize that I've dropped a bomb into the discussion. The instant the word 'intelligent' comes up, skeptics rush in to shout that one is defending Intelligent Design, which is a stalking horse for creationism, which is a stalking horse for fundamentalist Christianity, which is a stalking horse for Jesus as the one and only son of God. Such is the heated climate of debate at the moment, and Dawkins takes full (unfair) advantage of it. Only Jesus freaks could possibly believe in an intelligent universe.
However, if consciousness is innate in the universe, so is intelligence. That absolutely has nothing to do with God sitting on a throne in heaven creating Adam and Eve. If we remain sane and clear-headed, the reason to assume that consciousness exists is simple. There's no other way to account for it. Without a doubt there is enormous design, complexity, organization, and interconnectedness everywhere in Nature. You can either say "I see it, let me explain it" or you can say "Ignore it, it's just a byproduct of randomness."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/deepak-chopra/the-god-delusion-part-4_b_34842.html
Posted by: Ref | November 26, 2006 11:18 PM
An intelligent or conscious universe, like God, doesn't seem like it is within the bounds of science to prove or disprove. While the random formation of life is highly improbable, it isn't impossible (or I wouldn't be writing this). Chopra, like so many religious, argue from personal incredulity.
PZ, are you aware of any specific papers where researchers shows spontaneous formation of nucleic acids on (clay? limestone?) some sort of substrate. The experiment basically shows that it was possible for nucleic acids to form in the environment of early earth. This was 'proof of concept', if you will, of the idea of an RNA world that was the predecessor to cellular life.
Damn, or am I thinking of primitive cell membranes forming spontaneously, and that nucleic acids were already present?
Someone should know. I recall the discussion in Environmental Microbiology class, but have forgotten the details!
Anyway, Chopra may be an MD, but he has forgotten his chemistry!
Posted by: Shawn S. | November 27, 2006 4:27 AM
The UK comes one step closer to madness:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/education/6187534.stm
Posted by: Caledonian | November 27, 2006 7:51 AM
Typo alert for the Synapse link (Indeed, the word "synapse" has a transposition in the URL).
Posted by: David Harmon | November 27, 2006 8:02 AM
Peace equals Satanism
Wow, so peace equal Satanism, and parents with children in Iraq prefer the continuance of war. This is very odd.
Posted by: quork | November 27, 2006 9:33 AM
Cartoons (seriously) can teach us about faith
I'm guessing the person who wrote that considers it to be ironic.
Posted by: quork | November 27, 2006 9:38 AM
Caledonian, it would appear that the guy quoted in the article has a track record.
I've recently communicated with my MP about the Truth In Science mob, and there's a glimmer of hope that not only is the Education Secretary unlikely to take this suggestion seriously, but also that he might even be proactive about the issue, Blair's interference notwithstanding.
Posted by: gengar | November 27, 2006 9:38 AM
PZ, I'm interested in making charitable donations to celebrate Cephalodmas, and I was wondering if you (or another zeta-list blogger) would be interested in compiling a list of appropriately secular and humanist charities.
Posted by: Style Graduate | November 27, 2006 1:28 PM