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Godlessness bustin’ out all over

Scienceblogs are a hotbed of irreligiosity today. Besides my usual, expected, reflexive contumely (illegal in at least one state!), Aardvarchaeology is hosting the 59th Carnival of the Godless, and Revere rips into CNN’s anti-atheist bias. Sample stupid quote:

Listen, we are a Christian nation. I’m not a Christian. I’m Jewish, but I recognize we’re a Christian country and freedom of religion doesn’t mean freedom from religion.

Got that? We are not free to be atheists if we choose, according to Constitutional scholar and moderate voice of reason Debbie Schlussel.

Comments

  1. #1 Sastra
    February 4, 2007

    I read the transcript from the program, and the basic stance from most of the panelists seems to have been that atheists who are being persecuted or insulted in their communities have asked for it. Atheists start all the bad stuff off by trying to “impose” their views onto people who believe in God by forcing neutrality into publically-funded areas such as government building and public schools.

    Of course, they don’t call it “neutrality,” and they don’t make the critical distinction between public areas and publically-funded areas. Saying that a public school teacher cannot lead the class in prayer is to them the same as saying that a teacher cannot pray silently at her desk between classes.

    How ironic that the original question — are atheists being unfairly stigmatized? — is answered so affirmatively by a panel which unfairly frames the issue in order to stigmatize atheists.

  2. #2 Ichthyic
    February 4, 2007

    SCHLUSSEL: And the problem is that, you have these atheists selectively I believe attacking Christianity.

    I apologize ahead of time, but those who have lived long enough, or studied a bit of history surely have seen this kind of argument before, when applied to the issue of slavery, for example.

    hmm.

    90% of the country is supposedly xian (they use this to support their legislative efforts on a daily basis), and they have the gall to say atheists selectively attack xians???

  3. #3 Ichthyic
    February 5, 2007

    From now on, then, no more “Mr. Nice Atheist.” No more compromises. No more backing down.

    er, exactly what did you have in mind?

    *pulls up a chair to watch chris mudwrestle creationists*

    go man, go!

    seriously, though, I recall an effort a friend of mine and I made some years back where we wore black suits and knocked on Jehova’s witness’ doors and handed out literature on evolutionary theory to them.

    *sigh*, little more than a prank, but at least it was fun for a while.

    there’s only one thing you can do, well two, actually:

    make sure you don’t vote for a creationist, and that you point out to everybody you know when you find one running for office.

    and attend your local schoolboard meetings once in a while to make sure they aren’t trying to pull a fast one and shortshrift teaching science in your local schools.

    past that, what ya gonna do? get all medieval on their asses?

    meh, then they just can just claim real victimhood, rather than the false victimhood they do now.

  4. #4 Dave
    January 22, 2009

    US Constitution, Amendment I:

    CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

    This is the key point that many here seem to miss. Like it or not you are swimming in a sea of Christians. These horrible people are largely responsible for the existence of this country and everything in it (for good or naught). The second amendment clearly, in unmistakeable language, says that CONGRESS cannot establish a religion – by which, according to all known correspondence of the time – meant denomination. During that time period every state in the union had its own state religion. This was perfectly acceptable to most of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Paine would probably be the most notable exception. As long as the Federal Government didn’t get involved it was considered to be legitimate for states to do whatever they wanted in terms of esablishing churches or religions or whatever. This was clearly the intent of the Founders.

    To my knowledge there is no document claiming that this is a Christian nation. That being said, it clearly is a country founded by Christians and on largely Christian principles that were obviously “progressive” for the time.

    No, this is not officially a Christian nation. Yes, this was and still is a nation composed largely of Christians all of whom possess the constitutionally protected right to freedom of religious expression (as do all others). Noone has a constitutional right to not be offended by others religious expression. You do have the right to refute it, ignore it, but not to limit it.

  5. #5 Nerd of Redhead
    January 22, 2009

    Dave, keep your religious expressions inside your home and church. Nobody will bother you. Just keep them out of the public sphere. I have freedom from your religion.

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