Pharyngula

Future science media star

On The Infidel Guy, Abby of ERV goes up against a ranting crackpot, Leonard Horowitz, who thinks AIDS is the product of a secret conspiracy. She handles herself very well. It’s painful to listen to—Horowitz is a master of the bellowing Gumby style of discourse, and he believes in some very looney things. He’s also smart enough, though, that he knows some of his stuff is going to go over as immensely kooky to an informed audience, and he gets evasive at several points.

Some highlights occur when he’s called “Mr Horowitz”, and he goes on an indignant tirade about his credentials. Another is when he ducks and dodges on the issue of evolution, and tries to claim that the “brand new science of genetics and electrogenetics” (electrogenetics?) is going to require major changes of our understanding of evolution. Unfortunately, he doesn’t get into his really fun stuff:

Among the world’s foremost authorities on the subject of bioterrorism, vaccination risks, and public health, Dr. Horowitz’s expert diagnosis here dovetails perfectly with Bible prophecies. Pay special attention to his disclosures regarding the infamous “Mark of the Beast.” Dr. Horowitz reveals sacred Bible codes that give expanded meaning to the infamous “666″ prophecy (Rev: 13:18) while implicating widely trusted vaccinations, medical biochips, politicians, and institutions that have advanced some of the most horrific population-controlling ploys ever conceived. Anthrax, smallpox, and vaccinations are all part of the same deadly swindle.

Kudos to Abby for being able to deal with such a fraud and kook, and being far smarter than Horowitz, but Reggie Finley needs to get better guests than a quack like that.

Comments

  1. #1 PZ Myers
    April 4, 2007

    It is unwise to try and drown someone who will have her hands around your throat and can easily hip-check you into deeper water.

    This, of course, may be even more proof that she is a witch.

  2. #2 Kristine
    April 4, 2007

    Ps – Kristine wont float if you try to drown her….
    Natural? I think not.

    *Sprouts tentacles, releases ink, disappears into coral reef*

    When I worked at Schmitt Music some people wouldn’t buy any choral music that had ISBNs on it, because they thought it was the mark of the beast.

    From Horowitz’s site: DNA: Pirates of the Sacred Spiral… Stunning evidence compiled herein proves DNA is nature’s bioaccoustic and electromagnetic (that is, spiritual) energy receiver, signal transformer, and quantum sound and light transmitter.

    Yeah, that sounds like a great book. *Tentacles break ocean’s surface, grasp Horowitz’s ship, and pull it down* Take that, Captain Nemo.

  3. #3 Carlie
    April 4, 2007

    Not entirely related, but Kristine’s story about the ISBN numbers and churches reminded me of another music store church story. I had a friend who worked at a music store, and he said that the Assembly of God churches were reeeeally touchy about how their denomination was abbreviated on inventory sheets.

  4. #4 Chris Noble
    April 4, 2007

    Abbie wrote:A ‘fun’ HIV debate for me would have been a conversation with one of the researchers on a pro-circumcision study, or a debate on the long term effects of our current medication strategy, or something along those lines.

    No, a fun HIV debate would be to have Horowitz, Duesberg and the Perth Group debating each other.

    HIV was created by the US government to wipe out blacks and gays

    … but HIV has never been proven to exist

    … yes it has but it’s just a harmless retrovirus

    ….

    I’d pay lots of money to see that.

    Once again I congratulate Abbie on a great (if painful) “debate”.

  5. #5 razib
    April 5, 2007

    i’ve been on his show. just sayin’…..

  6. #6 ERV
    April 5, 2007

    pablo: hehehe Not that Gumby. These Gumbies. :)

    Thanks Chris!!

    I just want to encourage everyone to ask any questions you have about HIV or HIV Deniers, or ask about anything Horowitz said but I didnt/havent addressed. The listeners totally got ripped off by his Gumbying, and didnt get to ask any Qs.

  7. #7 andyo
    April 5, 2007

    Oh, man the part about evolution was awesome! I was laughing pretty hard. I loaded this and other podcasts on the ipod and listening at work. These are great, thanks for the tip. I didn’t know about these.

  8. #8 jre
    April 5, 2007

    From the on-line blurbs, I see that Mr.^H^H^H Dr. Horowitz’ books are black holes^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H beacons of ignorance^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H illumination, e.g.:

    THIS BOOK MONUMENTALLY PRESENTS THE WISDOM OF “INTELLIGENT DESIGN” VERSUS THE LUNACY OF CHEMICAL TOXICITY, PHARMACEUTICAL SORCERY, AND EVOLUTION OF THE SPECIES.

    Now, where have I heard that before? Ah, yes — the auto-Horowitz.

  9. #9 David Marjanovi?
    April 5, 2007

    Electrogenetics is the basis for designing medicines that can short circuit the electrical charges in cancer cells and produce their selective electrocution.

    Electrogenetics describes the energy requirements, energy exchanges, and electronic circuits, which allow gene reactions to occur in the living state.

    Woo.

  10. #10 David Marjanovi?
    April 5, 2007

    Electrogenetics is the basis for designing medicines that can short circuit the electrical charges in cancer cells and produce their selective electrocution.

    Electrogenetics describes the energy requirements, energy exchanges, and electronic circuits, which allow gene reactions to occur in the living state.

    Woo.

  11. #11 David Marjanovi?
    April 5, 2007

    Now, where have I heard that before? Ah, yes — the auto-Horowitz.

    ROTFL!!! :-D :-D :-D

    Read the script (it’s a text file).

  12. #12 David Marjanovi?
    April 5, 2007

    Now, where have I heard that before? Ah, yes — the auto-Horowitz.

    ROTFL!!! :-D :-D :-D

    Read the script (it’s a text file).