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Night at the Creation Museum

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  1. #1 Ezekiel Buchheit
    June 4, 2007

    I work for a YEC. My boss. A YEC. I went (please forgive me) to a bible study with him two years ago. It was my introduction to the whole concept and instrumental to my current Atheism.

  2. #2 djlactin
    June 4, 2007

    man, what a hoot. gonna share that one around!

  3. #3 Nate Smith
    June 4, 2007

    Does it say something about me, the video, or creationists that I can’t tell if this is a spoof or not?

  4. #4 Firemancarl
    June 4, 2007

    The lions keep ‘em in check! Bwaaahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

    That just slays me!

  5. #5 BK
    June 4, 2007

    “Bible Style” Yessir!

  6. #6 Dono
    June 4, 2007

    That’s genius. “Who let the Jew in the Creation Museum?”

  7. #7 Deepsix
    June 4, 2007

    Thanks for posting PZ! (assuming you linked this from my email).
    These guys are very good and post regularly on youtube, as well as their own site redstateupdate.com. They have lots of “commentary” on politics and pop culture. For a good laugh, check out their clips “impressions” and “scars”. Good stuff.

  8. #8 beepbeepitsme
    June 4, 2007

    Please tell me that these guys are takin’ the piss.

  9. #9 MAJeff
    June 4, 2007

    I remember sitting in a bus station in the 1950s, when Israel was in the news, hearing a long serious conversation between two drunks about whether Arabs were niggers. Where? St. Paul, Minnesota.

    I remember sitting in a coffee shop in Mankato, MN shortly after 9-11 and hearing two guys chatting about Islam after their NA meeting: “They don’t even believe in Jesus!”

  10. #10 Zeno
    June 4, 2007

    Hey! What are my cousins doing in a video? (And to think we share descent from a common forebear.)

  11. #11 Arnosium Upinarum
    June 5, 2007

    “BOBBLE perk in MURFizBURo, that’s ROT!”

    Ah, the lilting DRAAAAWL of the speech patterns is charming, in a revolting sort of way. Its like they enjoy listening to themselves…a way of sounding out, free of the responsibility of deliberation. (NO, of course not everybody in the south speaks without thinking, but the practice is disturbingly common. The affectation and emphasis on drawn-out and distorted voweled syllables is one of the chief reasons why I cannot listen to any popular or pseudo-rock singer without my gorge rising up at it, because the phoniness is so forced, so faked. I do not understand how anyone can possibly subject themselves to tuning in to “American Idol”, for example. Good blues is an excellent antidote, and then you can tell genuine expression from the faked style).

    Reminds me of when I once visited Huntsville Alabama (on an occasion related to a space-SCIENCE conference being held there). At the hotel bar one evening, a fellow struck up a conversation with me about farms. He offered to buy me drinks as he went along, enthusing incessantly about farms, in his charmingly drawling manner. I said, “yeah” and “uh huh” alot. After a long while he got rather miffed that I wasn’t similarly enthusiastic about farms:

    “HIGH, donchya got FARMS war ya cum frum???”

    “Uh, yeah – of course we do, we’ve got lots of farms, and good ones too. Lots of mom and pop operations still up where I come from.” (What else could I say? That I got off on agriculture too?)

    This went on for another solid half hour before I realized he was talking about “FIRE-ARMS”.

    Seriously, absolutely true story.

    In retrospect I’m just glad that the conversation hadn’t turned to religion.

  12. #12 Luna_the_cat
    June 5, 2007

    beepbeep, these guys ARE taking the piss. Easy way to tell these aren’t real redneck hicks: several times, they say “animatronic” without mangling the word even a little.

  13. #13 beepbeepitsme
    June 5, 2007

    luna

    Ahhh. Ty.

  14. #14 Deepsix
    June 5, 2007

    “beepbeep, these guys ARE taking the piss. Easy way to tell these aren’t real redneck hicks: several times, they say “animatronic” without mangling the word even a little.

    Posted by: Luna_the_cat | June 5, 2007 06:19 AM”

    Actually, they are both from Tennessee (the other flag in the background is the Tennessee state flag). However, I think they do stress their “redneck” accent a bit in these clips.

  15. #15 Jeff
    June 5, 2007

    THANK YOU for creating and posting this video. I am a Christian and believe in creation and think this is the best thing someone could have made to support the Creation Museum and spoof evolution. Christians have a great sense of humor and this is a good one!

  16. #16 Justin
    June 5, 2007

    This clip is the best… I too am a Christian, and love the Creation Museum… I thought that this was one of the funniest things… I know that this was most likely done to make us angry, but every Christian I show this to absolutely loves it! Thank you for sharing this!

  17. #17 PZ Myers
    June 5, 2007

    Hey, “Jeff”, “Joe”, and “Justin”, it’s a funny thing about this technology stuff: not only can my brain detect that your messages are amusingly similar, but the software tells me you’re all coming in from the same IP address, 66.42.196.194, from an ISP in Cincinnati.

    Every Christian I know loves to misrepresent themselves on the internet and play sockpuppet games! Thank you for revealing this!

  18. #18 Jeff
    June 5, 2007

    Where do you see any deception? This is a really funny video and we really do like it. Evereyone that sees it thinks it promotes the Creation Museum…honest, we really do have a sense of humor! We are passing it along to all Christians that we know. Thanks for posting it and keeping the publicity for the museum going. God bless you folks!

  19. #19 Graculus
    June 5, 2007

    Uh, god-botherer dude, the Bible doesn’t upset us. God-botherers do. The Bible itself is a comedy, as in “farce”.

  20. #20 Joe
    June 5, 2007

    Did you ever think, wait you usually don’t before jumping to conclusions, but that we all work in the same office and that’s how we’ve been passing around the video. Thou shall not falsely accuse. Anywho the video still rocks.
    Joe

  21. #21 Rey Fox
    June 5, 2007

    So you admit that the Bible contradicts itself.

  22. #22 Murray Rennie
    June 5, 2007

    Um…Jeff”, “Joe”, and “Justin”

    I just ran you IP through nslookup and got something interesting. Now I may be in error here and did something wrong…but why did it give me mail.answersingenesis.org?

    The only I know of that would cause you to have the same IP address would be if all three of your “machines” were behind a switch. Somehow the hostname “mail.answersingenesis.org” does not strike me as a switch name.

    I confirmed this by going to http://www.kloth.net/services/nslookup.php and entering the IP…I got

    DNS server handling your query: localhost
    DNS server’s address: 127.0.0.1#53

    Non-authoritative answer:
    194.196.42.66.in-addr.arpa name = mail.answersingenesis.org.

    Authoritative answers can be found from:

  23. #23 Joe
    June 5, 2007

    Murray, I don’t mean to insult you, but it’s a network, 200 computers in which all have the same outgoing IP. By the way, just showed the videp to 2nd shift and we all had another good laugh.
    Joe

  24. #24 Graculus
    June 5, 2007

    it’s a network, 200 computers in which all have the same outgoing IP.

    An office with 200 computers located in a town with a population of 340, and all of them answer to mail.answersingenesis.org.

    On dialup.

    And tell Hammy-boy that reverse psychology may work on his minions, but it doesn’t work on the adults.

  25. #25 Lady
    June 5, 2007

    The word of God is quick and powerful, and piercing even to the dividing asunder of of soul and spirit and of the joints and marrow and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. What is it you fear about the truth?

  26. #26 Zarquon
    June 5, 2007

    The word of God is quick and powerful

    The word of god doesn’t exist.

    What is it you fear about the truth?

    Nothing. There’s no truth in religion, just fables and fantasy.

  27. #27 Lady
    June 6, 2007

    If you think you got here by random chance [from goo to you] there is no accountability to the Creator God but you also have no hope. But if you believe the evidence all around you that the Creator God who made all things also paid in full the price for your sin you can have hope, be set free from sin and have the promise of eternal life with the one who died for you – Jesus Christ. Have you really swallowed the lie God is dead or does it occur to you He is very much alive – knowing every idle word spoken?

  28. #28 Zarquon
    June 6, 2007

    There’s lots of mucous involved in procreation, so from goo to you is the way it is. Too bad for you.
    And I’ll take no advice from someone who is ignorant and arrogant enough to tell me I have no hope when they’re a follower of someone who rips off his own friends.

    There’s more hope for health and happiness for people alive and not yet born in the honesty of scientists, as imperfect as that may be, than the fiction of the bible.

  29. #29 Eagle
    June 6, 2007

    I’m not in the same office and i loved the video and sent it to my entire church! hilarious! amazing how quickly the dialog went from thank you to accusations and insults. lighten up a little. we love it that you are talking about the creation museum – over 20,000 visitors in two weeks, every one leaving with a big grin. you oughta try it. even PhD’s leave with a grin. the more you talk about it, the more people go to the museum to see what the fuss is, and they all come out grinning. must be something good there. but be careful – the dinosaurs might have you for lunch!

  30. #30 Albatrossity
    June 6, 2007

    Perhaps one of these guys has the qualifications to apply for this job as a geologist/shill for the Creation museum.

  31. #31 David Marjanovi?
    June 6, 2007

    Have you really swallowed the lie God is dead or does it occur to you He is very much alive – knowing every idle word spoken?

    The idea is not that he has once lived and is now dead. The idea is that he never existed in the first place, like the tooth fairy. You have fallen among the atheists and should know what that means.

    Evolution is a different affair. Mutations are random — but selection is not, it is done by the environment. If you talk about evolution, you should know what that means.

  32. #32 David Marjanovi?
    June 6, 2007

    Have you really swallowed the lie God is dead or does it occur to you He is very much alive – knowing every idle word spoken?

    The idea is not that he has once lived and is now dead. The idea is that he never existed in the first place, like the tooth fairy. You have fallen among the atheists and should know what that means.

    Evolution is a different affair. Mutations are random — but selection is not, it is done by the environment. If you talk about evolution, you should know what that means.

  33. #33 Grauculus
    June 6, 2007

    If you think you got here by random chance

    Evolution is not random. Please visit Talk Origins for an explaination of what evolution is and the various ways you have been lied to by Creationists.

    the evidence all around you that the Creator God

    Got any evidence of your Creator God? If you want to believe in a deity that’s find by me, but now you are claiming that you have evidence and I’d like to see it.

  34. #34 Eagle
    June 6, 2007

    no i think you are on the right track when it comes to evolution – tooth fairy stuff. but questioning the historicity of Jesus the Christ does not win you any educational awards. He has been hated by many who testified of him: Cornelius Tacitus, “greatest historian” of ancient Rome who said “Christus, the founder . . .was put to death by Pontius Pilate, procurator of Judea during the reign of Tiberias . . . “; he was also spoken of by others who hated all that He represented: Lucian of Samosata, Saetonius, Pliny the Younger, Thallus, as well as the Jewish Historian Josephus. no, i wouldn’t go there if i were you, not if you want to retain any credibility amongst your educated cohorts. He lived, he died, he rose again from the dead, and what is more relevant for you, he is coming back. soon. sooner than you think.

  35. #35 Eagle
    June 6, 2007

    re: Evolution is not random.

    Since when has a scientific theory, either evolution or creation, become a lie? if someone comes to a different conclusion than YOU after looking at the evidence, does that make them a liar? this is pure emotion, not science. if you want some evidence, visit the Creation Museum. if you are too far away to get there, try reading The Young Earth, by Dr. John Morris, PhD Geologist. But you have to put your philosphy of atheism aside first before you will have even a chance of seeing the facts without bias. good luck.

  36. #36 MartinM
    June 6, 2007

    But you have to put your philosphy of atheism aside first before you will have even a chance of seeing the facts without bias. good luck.

    Creationists really have no sense of irony whatsoever, do they?

    Creationism supported by – people whose religious beliefs are in conflict with evolution.

    Evolution supported by – everyone else, pretty much.

    Doesn’t that tell you something?

  37. #37 Eagle
    June 6, 2007

    and which of the contemporary historians of Jesus who wrote about what was going on in Judea just then DIDN’T write about him? and since when do you have to have been alive to write a history report about the time being reported? After all – if it’s happening now, it’s news, not history. And remember this was in Judea, a dusty corner of nowhere, so who would have noticed, other than the over 500 witnesses whose testimony you choose not to believe because it was recorded in the scriptures? There’s more evidence of Jesus’ life than many other ancient figures. you can’t wish him away, no matter how hard you try.

  38. #38 Eagle
    June 6, 2007

    re: Creationists really have no sense of irony whatsoever, do they?

    so are you going to give me a reference for a book supporting evolution written by a creationist? or a book supporting creationism written by an evolutionist?

    well, duh! is this circular reasoning, or what? you have educated people with two different views. One group looks at the evidence and says, old earth, billions of years, no God, ergo, atheist. the other group looks at the evidence, says, young earth, can’t be more than thousands of years, created by God, i choose to believe based on the evidence.

    so why is one less reliable than the other, when both have the same credentials? or are we just going to hurl epithets instead of REALLY considering the evidence?

  39. #39 Graculus
    June 6, 2007

    Since when has a scientific theory, either evolution or creation, become a lie?

    Creation is not a scientific theory. If anyone claims it is then the options are 1) ignorant or 2) liar.

    I did not call you a liar, BTW.

    if someone comes to a different conclusion than YOU after looking at the evidence, does that make them a liar

    I said that you didn’t know what the Theory of Evolution is. Because the Theory of Evolution does not say that evolution is random. Please familiarize yourself with what the ToE actually says before making claims about what it actually says.

    But you have to put your philosphy of atheism aside first before you will have even a chance of seeing the facts without bias.

    How about you put your philosophy of Creationism aside and look at the evidence. There is a nice collection of such at Talk Origins.

    Do you worship God, or do you worship the Bible?

    Why do you claim that your God is a liar?

  40. #40 Eagle
    June 6, 2007

    re: Can you name a single contemporary who did mention him, let alone provide positive support for any of his miracles

    let’s see, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Paul, – just because someone gathered up the historical documents and published them in one book doesn’t make them lack credibility . . .

  41. #41 Graculus
    June 6, 2007

    just because someone gathered up the historical documents and published them in one book doesn’t make them lack credibility . . .

    Nor does it give them credibility.

  42. #42 Eagle
    June 6, 2007

    re: it’s probably a T1, and your point is?

    I live in another state than answers in genesis, and i am at home. i really exist, i really thought it was a funny video, and i really forwarded it to my whole church. they thought it was funny too.

  43. #43 Graculus
    June 6, 2007

    with the whole office behind that IP via NAT

    West Harrison doesn’t have any offices of a size to justify Cincinnati Bell putting in a T-1 (Fuse is their dial-up division). Take a boo on Google Maps. The only way 200 computers are getting in a building in West Harrison is if they are stacked floor to ceiling in the basement.

    The AiG website is hosted by Rackspace, that’s completely seperate.

  44. #44 Graculus
    June 6, 2007

    A-ah. so there we are. Epithets again.

    No, I don’t consider being ignorant of something to be a flaw. Only those who claim to have all the answers to everything could consider it an epithet.

    It does become a flaw when you are proud of your ignorance and insist on making statements about the fields that yo uare ignoarant about.

    Theory: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena.

    Creationism is neither plausible not scientifically accepted.

    say that since more people believe evolution, and this is a democracy, it must be true.

    No, that’s the Creationist argument. Science is not a democracy. This is both a strawman (“making stuff up”) and a reflection of your own arguments.

  45. #45 Eagle
    June 6, 2007

    the Creation Museum is not in West Harrison, it’s in Petersburg Ky with a Hebron Ky mail address. about 10 minutes from the Greater Cincinnati airport. the building is bigger than 50K sq feet, and there are that many people there. lots of dinosaurs too, but most of them don’t have internet access . . .

  46. #46 Graculus
    June 6, 2007

    the Creation Museum is not in West Harrison,

    mail.answersingenesis.org is, along with our sockpuppets.

  47. #47 Eagle
    June 6, 2007

    re: about the fields that yo uare ignoarant about

    come again? Creationism is a theory, is plausible, has much evidence [which you have not reviewed]; all Creationists have of course been taught evolution, [what choice did we have?] however, when we exercise thought and logic, and ask questions,we tend to make many mad. especially if we dare question the current dogma of evolution.

    Guess i started a firestorm this morning. maybe we should go back to the Budweiser comment, which i agree with – it is swill. signing off. got engineering work to do.

  48. #48 bliekker
    June 6, 2007

    Theory: a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena.

    Ok, smarty pants, how would you disprove your theory? If there is no way to disprove it, it ain’t science.

  49. #49 Jim Lippard
    June 6, 2007

    Graculus, this isn’t in West Harrison. If you look at Fuse’s rwhois entry for the IP address, it shows:

    network:Auth-Area:net-66.42.128.0/17
    network:Class-Name:network
    network:Network-Name:FUSE-BLK-66.42.196.192/27
    network:IP-Network:66.42.196.192/27
    network:IP-Network-Block:66.42.196.192 – 66.42.196.223
    network:Org-Name:Answers in Genesis
    network:Tech-Contact:FIA-ORG-ARIN
    network:Street-Address:2800 Bullitsburg Church Rd
    network:City:Hebron
    network:State:KY
    network:Postal-Code:41042
    network:Country-Code:US
    network:Created:20040820072820
    network:Updated:20070606150000
    network:Updated-By:hostmaster@fuse.net

  50. #50 David Marjanovi?
    June 6, 2007

    So, is creationism science?

    If creationists can answer the question “if I were wrong, how would I know?”, it is science.

  51. #51 David Marjanovi?
    June 6, 2007

    So, is creationism science?

    If creationists can answer the question “if I were wrong, how would I know?”, it is science.

  52. #52 Richard Simons
    June 6, 2007

    Eagle claims there is evidence for creation, presumably one of the Genesis versions rather than the Hopi, Ainu, Ancient Egyptian or other versions.

    I would appreciate seeing some of this evidence. Remember, references to one particular Bronze Age mythology are not evidence and criticisms of the theory of evolution are not evidence for creation even if justified (and I have never seen one from a creationist source that has been justified).

    Lady says

    If you think you got here by random chance [from goo to you] there is no accountability to the Creator God but you also have no hope.

    And who do you think you are to tell me whether I have hope or not? This is the kind of ignorance and arrogance expressed by fundamentalist Christians that is so irritating. At least find out the basics of the theory of evolution before posting to reduce the amount of twaddle.

    What is it you fear about the truth?

    Compare a creationist/ID site like Uncommon Descent and a pro-evolution site like Pandasthumb. See which one allows critical comments and which one doesn’t, than ask yourself who is afraid of the truth. BTW I have been banned from UD for attempting to post a comment no more offensive than this.

  53. #53 Graculus
    June 6, 2007

    Jim, the billing address and the physical location of the machine do not have to be congruent. It reads as West Harrison by geographical location. AiG’s website has the same billing address, but I doubt RackSpace has moved to Hebron, KY.

  54. #54 Graculus
    June 7, 2007

    Are you relying on some third-party IP geocoding?

    Yep. If the two locations were closer together and didn’t have a river between them I’d be inclined to think it was just that AiG was routed through West Harrison. I think their mail may be hosted offsite, at their “IT expert’s” home.

    All of those comments were made by a single person, no need for a network.

  55. #55 Ryan
    June 7, 2007

    I have see the author of this Blog ban people for less offensive comments like this.

    B.S Cocksnack. He only banned you because

    1. You use multiple aliases from the same IP address.
    2. You refuse to acknowledge anyone else’s points.
    3. You cut and paste.

    P.S – Welcome back.

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