Pharyngula

You’ve missed your chance

I told you that Answers in Genesis was trying to hire a geologist. You’ve blown it now, they’ve gone and hired a real pro.

The addition of Dr. Snelling confirms AiG’s continued efforts to meet the highest standards in its research in creation studies, according to AiG President Ken Ham. “Dr. Snelling’s stature among the scientific community should be an unequivocal sign to the academic world and the media that serious research is being conducted at AiG and its museum,” Ham said.

Oh, sure: “Snelling’s stature among the scientific community” is a significant indicator. Let’s see…

Oh, my gosh—Ken Ham was telling us the truth! This is a sign to the academic world and the media about what kind of serious research they’re doing!

Comments

  1. #1 Brownian
    June 19, 2007

    Why would they want a real scientist? Aren’t real scientists responsible for the grand evil hoax that is evolution?

  2. #2 Brownian
    June 19, 2007

    “This is what God did for you by sending Jesus to die on the cross in your place. So that you wouldn’t have to go to Hell, God sent his only Son, Jesus, to die on the cross–suffering the punishment that justice demands. Then He rose from the grave, forever defeating death!”

    Ah, an omnipotent, universe-creating god who is limited to only one son whom god sent to ‘die’ and then come back to life in payment to god so god can forgive us for transgressing against god. Who buys this story?

    I’m submitting this bullshit to the annual Bulwer-Lytton Fiction Contest for bad writing.

  3. #3 Ichthyic
    June 19, 2007

    Would you sell one of your eyes for a million dollars? How about both eyes for ten million? No one in their right mind would! Your eyes are precious to you… but they are only a “window” for your soul.

    if both of my eyes are worth ten mill, and they are nothing compared to my soul…

    I just won the lottery!

  4. #4 AndrÚs Diplotti
    June 19, 2007

    From http://www.needgod.com/010.shtml

    Think of it this way… Imagine you’re in a courtroom again, you’re guilty of many serious crimes. The judge says, “It’s a fine of $500,000, or prison.” You don’t have anywhere near that amount of money, so the bailiff begins to walk you out of the courtroom when someone you don’t even know appears. He runs up to the judge with a check and says, “I’ve paid the fine for you.” Now that the fine has been paid, the law no longer has any hold on you. You’re free — because of the gift you were given.

    Perhaps I’d feel a little better if the guy who made the law, the guy who judged me and gave the verdict, and the guy who will execute the sentence weren’t all the same guy who is now offering to pay my fine in exchange of servitude. Some people have a really, really weird notion of justice.

  5. #5 woozy (god free for 45 years)
    June 19, 2007

    Ha! I answered NO to “have you ever broken the 1st commandment?” (thou shalt have no other gods before me). I don’t believe in any gods, and back when I did it was the Christian god, so I’m pretty sure I answered correctly. I then got told that if I’d answered NO I must be lying, therefore I’d actually broken 2 commandments. Hilarious.

    By the same logic (except I never believed in the christian god), I also answered “no” to the 1st commandment question. I wasn’t called a liar. Odd. Still, I’m going to hell.

    But it said it’d answer two questions. It never answered if I was a good person in God’s eyes!

  6. #6 Brownian
    June 19, 2007

    Um, hello? Why would Dr. Snelling even bother trying to get something published subject to peer review by a bunch of godless atheists, humanists, and other secularists? We know they’d just suppress his work so they can keep pubLIEshing articles purporting to support EVILution.

    Clearly, his lack of peer-reviewed work is a testament to his integrity and commitment to the TRUTH of the BIBLE.

    Note: Instead of producing EVILdence, I capitalised the words I’m emotionally invested in. That way you know my opinion won’t be swayed by your facts.

  7. #7 Brownian
    June 19, 2007

    “Dr. Snelling’s research has demonstrated that a global flood more than 4,300 years ago explains most rock layers and fossil deposits found around the world. Building from this foundation, Dr. Snelling has made predictions as to what should be found if a catastrophic global flood actually happened (e.g., the existence of extensive rock layers).”

    Let’s look at this, albeit superficially, since it’s not all that specific.

    Dr. Snelling’s research has demonstrated that a global flood more than 4,300 years ago explains most rock layers and fossil deposits found around the world.

    So, the existence of rock layers can be explained by a global flood, huh? Okay, let’s go with that. What are the implications then?

    Building from this foundation, Dr. Snelling has made predictions as to what should be found if a catastrophic global flood actually happened (e.g., the existence of extensive rock layers).

    Uh, what? The global flood theory, apparently supported by the existence of extensive rock layers, goes on to predict the existence of extensive rock layers?

    Am I somehow wrong in my interpretation of this paragraph?

  8. #8 David Marjanovi?
    June 19, 2007

    Please visit http://www.needgod.com

    That site presupposes the existence of God, mark. If you assume your conclusions instead of reaching them, you will not convince anyone.

    (Now let’s see if Lowercase mark is a hit-and-run troll, or if he ever comes back.)

  9. #9 David Marjanovi?
    June 19, 2007

    Please visit http://www.needgod.com

    That site presupposes the existence of God, mark. If you assume your conclusions instead of reaching them, you will not convince anyone.

    (Now let’s see if Lowercase mark is a hit-and-run troll, or if he ever comes back.)

  10. #10 David Marjanovi?
    June 19, 2007

    Everybody is going to hell and Everybody deserves to go to hell. The only way out is servitude to Jesus.

    Maybe.

    (Apparently they believe in good works rather than in SOLA FIDES. I thought they are Protestants?)

  11. #11 David Marjanovi?
    June 19, 2007

    Everybody is going to hell and Everybody deserves to go to hell. The only way out is servitude to Jesus.

    Maybe.

    (Apparently they believe in good works rather than in SOLA FIDES. I thought they are Protestants?)

  12. #12 lawilson200
    June 19, 2007

    Brownian wrote:

    The global flood theory, apparently supported by the existence of extensive rock layers, goes on to predict the existence of extensive rock layers? Am I somehow wrong in my interpretation of this paragraph?

    No, I think your interpreation is correct. Ham is fond of saying (I am paraphrasing) “that the best evidence for a “global flood” is a billion dead things buried in the ground. And what do you find? Billion of dead things buried in the ground.” So based on this logic, the mere fact we have stratified layers is sufficient to establish a global flood.

    If I knew that geology was going to be this easy, I could have saved myself the money and time and avoided the bachelor degree that I had earned in geology. Oh wait. Since I went into a completely different career field (occupational safety and health) my geology degree was a waste of money anyway.

    However, at least I know more about geology than Snelling does.

  13. #13 Ichthyic
    June 19, 2007

    Uh-oh… I’m headed for Hell.

    don’t forget:

    go through the main gate, right at the squid pits, and straight on to the endless bad sci-fi marathon. Make Joel Hodgson happy.

    oh, we just added a naming contest for the thing; entries being accepted until 7/7/07. Prizes to be awarded by Joel himself.

    Be there or be…

    well, we all know you’ll be there.

  14. #14 Science Goddess
    June 20, 2007

    At the risk of being slammed (again), I’d like to address the soul. As in “how do we know we don’t/have one?” Come on, folks, we’re scientists, and of course we can’t measure the soul. We can’t see, feel or hear it. It doesn’t show up on any of our meters. But then again, we couldn’t measure parts of the electromagnetic spectrum until we invented the radio.

    What if there is some kind of universal consciousness? We can’t measure it on our “soul-meter”, but we dimly feel its existence, which we interpret as religion (not literally [grin]).

    Richard Dawkins would call this “non-overlapping magesteria”, and he’d be correct. At least until we develop a “soul-meter”

    SG

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