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Church and State, hand in hand

What an attractively symmetrical graph:

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People who don’t go to church mostly disagree with GW Bush; people who do go to church regularly mostly agree with GW Bush. Unfortunately, these results are from a poll taken in 2005, so it may have lost some of that symmetry since—I certainly hope it has, and that all of the bars in “agree for the most part” category have since gotten smaller.

Comments

  1. #1 David Marjanovi?
    June 28, 2007

    To see Bush re-elected

    You mean, elected for the first time, if at all… I still haven’t seen evidence that anyone won the elections of 2004.

  2. #2 David Marjanovi?
    June 28, 2007

    To see Bush re-elected

    You mean, elected for the first time, if at all… I still haven’t seen evidence that anyone won the elections of 2004.

  3. #3 Blake Stacey, OM
    June 28, 2007

    Some years ago, a chap named Natapoff proved that having an Electoral College actually increases the average person’s voting power, because it ups the odds that the rest of the country will deadlock and your vote will be the one which decides the election. This leads inevitably to screwy results when the elections are closely matched.

    Of course, nobody looks at the process except when the elections are a close call, so we don’t see the full range of effects at work.

  4. #4 David Marjanovi?
    June 28, 2007

    But you can’t say the guy didn’t win the election because the Electoral College voted him in.

    I’m not talking about the electoral college (and I’m not an American — been there for a whole week in my life so far).

    For 2004, I’m talking about the… “glitches” and the “irregularities”. These range from the clearly unintended — people finding out that they reset the voting machines after each vote by deleting all votes — to the quite fishy — like districts with incredibly low or incredibly high turnout (sometimes over 100 %), or the fact that the head of the Bush “re”election campaign in Ohio was in charge of counting the votes — in fact they all ran through the computer on his desk. The way elections are handled in the USA is outrageous.

    For 2000, I’m talking about the fact that Captain Unelected got 55.5 periodic % of the votes of those people who had the right to vote — all nine of them. What the Supreme Court did was a coup, there are no other words for it.

    Oh, and never mind the fact that a recount of the Florida ballots of 2000 showed that Gore won under all criteria for “validly marked ballot” except one — and this one is explicitely illegal under Florida law.

    —————

    Comments 17 and 18 are still spot-on, though, except that I have a hard time imagining anyone who really deserves Fearless Flightsuit.

  5. #5 David Marjanovi?
    June 28, 2007

    But you can’t say the guy didn’t win the election because the Electoral College voted him in.

    I’m not talking about the electoral college (and I’m not an American — been there for a whole week in my life so far).

    For 2004, I’m talking about the… “glitches” and the “irregularities”. These range from the clearly unintended — people finding out that they reset the voting machines after each vote by deleting all votes — to the quite fishy — like districts with incredibly low or incredibly high turnout (sometimes over 100 %), or the fact that the head of the Bush “re”election campaign in Ohio was in charge of counting the votes — in fact they all ran through the computer on his desk. The way elections are handled in the USA is outrageous.

    For 2000, I’m talking about the fact that Captain Unelected got 55.5 periodic % of the votes of those people who had the right to vote — all nine of them. What the Supreme Court did was a coup, there are no other words for it.

    Oh, and never mind the fact that a recount of the Florida ballots of 2000 showed that Gore won under all criteria for “validly marked ballot” except one — and this one is explicitely illegal under Florida law.

    —————

    Comments 17 and 18 are still spot-on, though, except that I have a hard time imagining anyone who really deserves Fearless Flightsuit.

  6. #6 David Marjanovi?
    June 28, 2007

    As an American, I am compelled to support our country to show unity behind our president.

    But that’s it. If he wasn’t elected, he’s not the president.

    And if he was, the Iraq war is still illegal, which means in your logic that you are compelled to get your country rid of the criminals who started it. Don’t you agree?

  7. #7 David Marjanovi?
    June 28, 2007

    As an American, I am compelled to support our country to show unity behind our president.

    But that’s it. If he wasn’t elected, he’s not the president.

    And if he was, the Iraq war is still illegal, which means in your logic that you are compelled to get your country rid of the criminals who started it. Don’t you agree?

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