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Did anyone else get a recent flood of email from Michael Korn?
Category: Creationism
Posted on: July 20, 2007 8:47 AM, by PZ Myers
I'd just like some reassurance that there are other targets out there, since Korn is on the run.
An anti-evolutionary Christian extremist suspected of sending threatening letters to biology professors at the University of Colorado has gone on the lam, according to a staff member familiar with a police investigation into the matter.
Not that I'm panicky or anything, but I am more comfortable knowing he's in Colorado than just somewhere.
OK, just to be on the safe side, I let the local police know that this guy is on the loose, and that he'd sent me some strange email yesterday. It's highly unlikely he'd show up here … but if he did, there would be only one reason for him to be here.
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Would this guy have to be Muslim before we here on the news about an individual expressing terrorist threats against working US scientists who is now eluding police at large?
What, do you just get a complete pass from being labeled "terrorist," no matter how many people you wish to or even succeed in killing, as long as you're some lunatic fundamentalist Christian?
Posted by: El Cid | July 20, 2007 9:05 AM
That should be "hear" on the news, instead of "here" on the news, sorry for the typo.
Posted by: El Cid | July 20, 2007 9:06 AM
He's probably heading for Florida. These loons seem to gravitate down there frequently when they run like the cowards they truly are.
They'll catch him when he eventually blows something up (or scrape him off a wall when his stupidity catches up with him). I fully expect to be hearing about him on the news eventually... because El Cid's right. We don't hear about home-grown fundie terrorists in the "liberally-biased" media until they actually hurt someone.
Posted by: Vyoma | July 20, 2007 9:22 AM
How long until the Religious Right protests his imminent capture on grounds of religious freedom? "We're being persecuted!"
Posted by: Tom @Thoughtsic.com | July 20, 2007 9:26 AM
Well, this serves as sufficiently unambiguous evidence that Korn actually WAS the guy sending threatening letters.
It will be useful to remember this case in the future.
Posted by: Caledonian | July 20, 2007 9:46 AM
PZ, as many commentors have already suggested, contact your local authorities and even the Feebs.
Seriously.
And let us know, okay?
Posted by: Bruce | July 20, 2007 9:49 AM
I am just a lowly student, so I haven't received any threats (yet), but I have recently started to receive plenty of emails from J.C.'s Little Proselytizers. Good Lord (if I may)! They are in BAD form. I can't even make an argument out of the two page paragraphs and the (sometimes) CAPS LOCK CRUISE CONTROL!!!!!
Posted by: Will | July 20, 2007 9:53 AM
P.S. I think I stole that "cruise control" comment from someone. aka, I am unoriginal.
Posted by: Will | July 20, 2007 9:54 AM
Good point, but one that will obviously be ignored by the public. He's not a terrorist, he's a persecuted Christian faith warrior.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | July 20, 2007 10:02 AM
"Well, this serves as sufficiently unambiguous evidence that Korn actually WAS the guy sending threatening letters.
No, it doesn't. There have been plenty of people railroaded into unjust convictions on the basis of 'He wouldn't have run if he didn't do it.' and it's crap logic whether it is a lunatic like Korn or a black man accused of raping a white woman during Jim Crow (just to throw the reasoning into the starkest possible light).
I don't see any reason to doubt Korn is the guy, but bad and dangerous reasoning is bad and dangerous reasoning no matter who it is applied to and that reasoning has long been a favourite of police and prosecutors who lack actual evidence. Expunging the idea that only the guilty run will be a step toward reducing wrongful convictions.
Posted by: Mike | July 20, 2007 10:15 AM
What Bruce said--including the UMM police force, to the degree such an entity exists.
Posted by: RavenT | July 20, 2007 10:17 AM
I was amazed that wired thought those threats were bad. I've seen plenty worse.
(a list here: http://membracid.wordpress.com/2007/07/12/weekly-wtf-more-threats-by-creationists/
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Posted by: bug_girl | July 20, 2007 10:24 AM
I didn't say that his guilt logically followed. But, given the circumstances, we can abandon any reticence we may have had about calling him guilty.
If he is actually innocent of sending those messages, he's done the worst possible thing he could, short of taking hostages.
Posted by: Caledonian | July 20, 2007 10:25 AM
Ominous development. Will we see another Waco, Ruby Ridge, Paul Hill, World Trade Center towers, Oklahoma federal building, Eric Rudolph etc..
The CU, Boulder administration would have to be totally brain dead not to have enhanced security around the biology building right now. Their legal liability, credibility, and jobs are on the line if anything bad happens on campus and MK is involved.
Posted by: raven | July 20, 2007 10:29 AM
Perhaps you should get in contact with Jeffry Mitton (if you haven't already)at the UofC. He seems to know what's going on, and there may be information he has that's not being reported that may be of interest to you. Those biology professors in Colorado recieved threats for simply teaching reality, while you, in addition to teaching reality, have actually taken a stand against Korns' brand of lunacy. He may be harmless,but he definitely "ain't right" and I adjure you to get all the info you can.
Posted by: Steve Fisher | July 20, 2007 10:47 AM
1. I guess we will find out if the CU terrorist is a lone crank or part of a network or organization. Wandering around the USA gets expensive fast unless you have a destination in mind. And Korn didn't strike me as the independently wealthy type. In fact, he seemed to be unemployed.
Let's hope he doesn't hole up in some small town somewhere in Minnesota or something.
2. Not sure what laws are being broken here. If he hasn't been arrested or indicted, as far as I can tell, everyone has freedom of movement in the USA. And leaving town is an old and effective way of avoiding problems. Definitely looks like a lot more is going on under the surface than we know about right now. Wonder if the cops are going to put out an All Points Bulletin or if Korn will end up on a wanted poster in the post office? LOL, not a great career choice IMO.
Posted by: raven | July 20, 2007 10:59 AM
"every true Christian should be ready and willing to take up arms to kill the enemies of Christian society."
So much for the sixth commandment.
Posted by: CalGeorge | July 20, 2007 10:59 AM
Holy crap. PZ, what everyone else said, OK?
Every person to whom this goon's sent stuff should get his photo, blow it up, and post it by every office building -- and publicize that they're doing so. If Korn knows that his mug's being plastered everywhere, it might keep him from doing something really stupid.
Posted by: Phoenix Woman | July 20, 2007 11:03 AM
Not a bad idea Phoenix Woman - I've only gotten a little from him, and I live across an ocean, so I obviously don't take him seriously as a threath. However, people living in the US, and receiving threaths (or mails that could be perceived as such) should certainly take their precautions.
Posted by: Kristjan Wager | July 20, 2007 11:14 AM
My search-fu isn't working. Where can I get a photo of this guy?
Posted by: Bronze Dog | July 20, 2007 11:14 AM
I don't like the sound of this at all, PZ. I do hope you will contact your campus and local police, just a heads up for them and a little peace of mind for yourself.
Posted by: robin andrea | July 20, 2007 11:24 AM
Where can I get a photo of this guy?
From his site, for one.
(I also saved it, 'case it disappears... sure others have).
Posted by: AJ Milne | July 20, 2007 11:24 AM
Don't forget that any place in the USA has fundamentalist churches where he can go for sympathetic shelter, food and other necessities. He could stay underground quite a while that way.
Posted by: RavenT | July 20, 2007 11:31 AM
What makes you think he's in Colorado? Faith? Tsk, Tsk!
There are no bigger targets for the creationismfascists than you.
Posted by: nal | July 20, 2007 11:36 AM
Absolutely. Just look at how long Eric Rudolph was on the lam.
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Posted by: DOUCHEBAG | July 20, 2007 11:42 AM
Thanks, AJ. Saved a copy for myself.
Posted by: Bronze Dog | July 20, 2007 11:42 AM
Harboring a fugitive from justice is just the xian thing to do, I guess. That would make Korn part of a network or conspiracy and the churches accessories to a crime. Of course, in their view, Korn might be a martyr to the cause rather than a wingnut terrorist.
Not sure how unified the fundie cults are. IIRC Falwell, Robertson, and Billy Graham all hated each other for schizmatic reasons. There are so many variants on the theme, I've never been able to keep track of them. Never wanted to either. What is the difference between Pentocostal, evangelical, etc..sects?
Posted by: raven | July 20, 2007 11:43 AM
... and not to freak anyone out more still, but if he immigrated to Israel after graduation as he says, might he well have had some military training? Israel has conscription. Believe it's a pretty short period if you're much past 20, but still, he'd have had a bit of training, at least.
Posted by: AJ Milne | July 20, 2007 11:48 AM
You mean Korn Dog?
http://thestubborncurmudgeon.blogspot.com
Posted by: John Danley | July 20, 2007 11:55 AM
I'm still pondering Douglas Adams' contention that many (most?) people still need an artificial god to find meaning for their life:
http://www.biota.org/people/douglasadams/
I think these nutcases (Korn, not Adams ;-/ ) indeed all nutcases, prove the point. Faced with a total loss of self-worth they turn to something that seems worthy and permanent - religion. One at a time they are an oddity that occasionally turns lethal. As a group, they are a menace to humanity itself. Which is the point that Hitchens makes here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY8fjFKAC5k
"And this is the religion that exhibits the horrible trio of self-hatred, self-righteousness, and self-pity."
A toxic mix that always shows up in the psyche of every religious nutcase. Well, okay, every nutcase, but they usually drag religion into their nuttery.
I think we, humanity as a whole, are in a transitional period where we're disposing of the old artificial gods and transitioning to new ones. It's going to be a messy process, but I think if we think of it -as- a process we can get a better grip on managing it.
PS: My charactization of Korn as a nutcase is my opinion and not an assertion, so don't sue me.
Posted by: TW | July 20, 2007 12:34 PM
Arm thyself.
Posted by: Michael | July 20, 2007 2:16 PM
All of you should be careful about opening packages, this guy seems to be one step away from being another Theodore Kaczynski.
Posted by: mena | July 20, 2007 2:17 PM
Anyone got a flyer? Nothing in Google Image Search yet:
"(Korn's) picture has been circulated on flyers saying: 'If you see this guy dial this number,'"
bigdumbchimp.blogspot.com/ - Jul 20, 2007
Posted by: Hank Roberts | July 20, 2007 2:39 PM
Hey! Wait just a minute here! I thought God The All Powerful promised No More Floods? Was he lying then, or is he lying now...
Posted by: J-Dog | July 20, 2007 2:45 PM
He's not the only X-ian to resort to terrorism. Fortunately they seem to incompetent to ever actually pull it off.
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/161625.html
Posted by: Brian W. | July 20, 2007 2:58 PM
I'd get body armor.
Posted by: Steve_C | July 20, 2007 3:04 PM
Seriously - religious nutcases need their own room at the crazy house. Korn probably ran off to Hovind's "museum" and is now residing in the tail section of the plaster dinosaur.
Be careful.
Posted by: possummomma | July 20, 2007 3:19 PM
from the story posted by Brian:
*shakes head*
too bad he didn't finish the job on himself, then he could have been nominated for a Darwin award.
Posted by: Ichthyic | July 20, 2007 3:40 PM
Well J-dog, down south of the border in England they are having more than their fair share of floods. Very global warming it is. God must be both a Scotsman and a golfer though since the Open just along the coast from here has enjoyed reasonable weather though the wind blew a bit today, enough to discomfort Tiger anyway. Lots of sunshine for my seedlings too which is nice.
Posted by: Peter Ashby | July 20, 2007 3:49 PM
More amusement: "The suspects said the group has three levels of involvement: Bible study, consensual fighting and destructive acts. Because one of their beliefs is free thought, however, participation in all three levels is not mandatory, they told police."
What do you get when you mix religious nuttery with Fight Club? These guys.
Posted by: Rey Fox | July 20, 2007 3:51 PM
James Kopp was on the lam (for murder) for 3 years with a little help from his Christofascist friends.
None of this is helping, is it?
Posted by: Graculus | July 20, 2007 3:56 PM
@ #31:
Thanks for the Douglas Adams link - I'd never seen that transcript before. Excellent stuff.
Posted by: VWXYNot? | July 20, 2007 4:08 PM
PZ
The blog looks good on the iPhone. At the soho store playing with one.
Posted by: steve_steven | July 20, 2007 4:45 PM
El Cid,
Eric Robert Rudolph is called a terrorist, and no, he doesn't get a pass because he's a christian.
-jcr
Posted by: John C. Randolph | July 20, 2007 6:25 PM
PZ, I been wondering what all those freaking emails were about, the guy ain't coherent and thinks me as a Christian is opened minded about the process in which God may have created life, that I am more dangerous. But we have conceal carry in Texas and I sport a Taurus 357. So if'n he bugs me I'll take care of him for ya.
Besides I like Korn, and I got me a big o'l pot to boil him in. Lord have mercy on me, but why did you let this evangelical (Satans's work) crap get out of hand.
Just teasing no emails to me.
Posted by: The Physicist | July 20, 2007 10:20 PM
PZ - I don't know if your small town is anything like the ones I've lived in, but when an outsider comes to town everyone seems to notice. Usually the new face becomes the talk of the town just for buying coffee at the local diner. And all the locals know the police just like on the old tv show, Mayberry RFD.
Posted by: Paguroidea | July 20, 2007 11:17 PM
Michael at 2:16- my thoughts exactly. And PZ- since you're in Colorado, shoot to kill, on sight. He was coming right for you.
Posted by: tekel | July 24, 2007 9:22 PM
is Minneapolis-St. Paul close enough to Morris for you?
Posted by: concerned christian | July 25, 2007 12:22 PM
What do you mean by "close enough", Mr Korn? Minneapolis is on the other side of the state from me, about a 3 hour drive away.
Posted by: PZ Myers | July 25, 2007 12:41 PM
Oh, and your IP address, 198.86.116.230, puts you in North Carolina. That's even farther away, in case you're confused.
Posted by: PZ Myers | July 25, 2007 12:45 PM
very good. you know how to analyze an IP address.
you seem to think that i need to personally track you down. but no, its much simpler. i can rely on prayer to motivate the God you hate to destroy the godless heretic He hates.
your name is jewish. thanks for being a "light to the nations" and teaching Gentiles to hate their Creator.
are you one of those jews who whine perpetually about the Holocaust? why? Hitler greatly admired your pal Darwin and acted according to the dictates of his logic!
but in my experience, Jews like you who oppose Creationism received plenty of hebraic education in your youths and even believe in the Genesis account. your support of Darwin is simply a ploy to emasculate Christianity, while leaving Judaism to reign supreme. many, like my own biochemist father, think they are actually serving God's interest by destroying the simple faith of the average Christian. but they are gravely mistaken, since rather than serving as a light to the nations they are blinding them to their Creator.
if Jews want the Gentile world to respect them, they must learn to respect the fact that the Gentile world also is created in God's image. you vainly imagine that by denigrating the Godly image of Gentiles you alone will remain to reign supreme. but really in destroying the Divine image of the rest of humanity you also are dooming yourselves. like the fool who drills a hole in the bottom of a boat and imagines that he can enjoy the ride while everyone else drowns.
in fact Jesus rebuked them with these very same words in the famous parable in Luke 20:
The Parable of the Tenants
9He went on to tell the people this parable: "A man planted a vineyard, rented it to some farmers and went away for a long time. 10At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants so they would give him some of the fruit of the vineyard. But the tenants beat him and sent him away empty-handed. 11He sent another servant, but that one also they beat and treated shamefully and sent away empty-handed. 12He sent still a third, and they wounded him and threw him out.
13"Then the owner of the vineyard said, 'What shall I do? I will send my son, whom I love; perhaps they will respect him.'
14"But when the tenants saw him, they talked the matter over. 'This is the heir,' they said. 'Let's kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.' 15So they threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.
"What then will the owner of the vineyard do to them? 16He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others." When the people heard this, they said, "May this never be!"
17Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written:
" 'The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone[a]'[b]? 18Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."
19The teachers of the law and the chief priests looked for a way to arrest him immediately, because they knew he had spoken this parable against them. But they were afraid of the people.
wake up before it is too late. the more you mess with God's creation, the more reason you give for God to pour out His wrath upon you. He has withheld His anger because you too, as His creature, deserve His love. but His patience is not infinite. and your doom in hell will be when it finally runs out...
Posted by: concerned christian | July 25, 2007 1:30 PM
PZ, I hope you're sharing this whole exchange with the local authorities and the FBI...this guy is not only seriously delusional, he's escalating.
Posted by: RavenT | July 25, 2007 1:41 PM
I am just cathching up on this story. Can anyone point me to the actual death threats. I don't want to invest myself if they are no truly death threats. The authorities seem to be somewhat in doubt as to if a crime was committed.
Posted by: Dave | July 25, 2007 2:01 PM
Anyone who thinks they can pray for god to punish his enemies and thinks that's a moral thing to do, and that it will actually happen.
Is not in touch with reality.
Wouldn't be surprised that he has visions or hears voices in his head.
Posted by: Steve_C | July 25, 2007 2:05 PM
There were threats. No one mentioned if they were death threats.
"I'm going to kick your ass" isn't a death threat. It is a threat however.
Repent or be punished is a threat.
Posted by: Steve_C | July 25, 2007 2:09 PM
Yeah, he's mainly made veiled threats -- messages to let me know that he knows who I am and where I live, that sort of thing. He's all bluster, though -- that silly attempt to imply that he's in the twin cities when he's linking in from North Carolina makes him look rather pathetic. They're not just veiled threats, they're empty veiled threats.
And yes, I'm keeping the local police informed, more for their entertainment than because I'm worried.
Posted by: PZ Myers | July 25, 2007 2:18 PM
Dave:
You can start here.
Posted by: Blake Stacey, OM | July 25, 2007 2:20 PM
i am not threatening you. i am warning you that God will destroy you if you dont stop lying about darwin. there is no evidence for macroevolution, and therefore God can destroy you for being a liar in addition to a blasphemer.
if i didnt care about you and all your deceived colleagues, i wouldnt warn you.
you might not like the message i bear, but at least be grateful i care enough to exhort you to reconsider your intellectually dishonest views.
not like most Christians who despise what you teach, but wont utter a word in protest, because they dont care if you spend eternity in hell.
but i do...
Posted by: concerned christian | July 25, 2007 2:37 PM
btw, do you consider all pastors who give fire and brimstone sermons about sinners being damned to hell to be terrorist hate mongering threat proliferators?
on one point i will agree with you, though. most christians are pathetic wimps and dishonest to boot. they prefer to rant and rave about the "moslem" enemy across the sea than to attack the enemies of american society who lurk within.
those enemies are darwinian teachings, for one. american christians will not attack the domestic enemies, because it might endanger their ministries, their tithes and offerings, their profitability. but i am homeless and have no vested monetary interest in my ministry. that is why i can speak the truth to you in love.
but most christians love mammon and therefore their voices are silenced.
Posted by: concerned christian | July 25, 2007 2:42 PM
He needs psychiatric help obviously. I hope he gets some.
No one is worried about god here. Just deluded christians with nothing left to lose but something to prove.
Posted by: Steve_C | July 25, 2007 2:49 PM
I read the article at http://www.pandasthumb.org/archives/2007/07/creatoterrorism_1.html
There were several loosely quoted remarks there, but nothing of substance yet. I'm wondering why these documents are not being posted in their entirety? The fact they are not leads me to believe this is much less a matter of threat than of annoyance.
Posted by: Dave | July 25, 2007 2:57 PM
Whatta maroon. I would love to see a psychological case study on this guy. Possibly involving electrodes and genitals.
Posted by: AtheistAcolyte | July 25, 2007 3:25 PM
Here's hoping Christian Psychoboy ends up on the wrong side of a police firearm...suicide by cop would be funny as hell.
Posted by: SleezyP | July 25, 2007 3:47 PM
Acts 19:23 And the same time there arose no small stir about that way.
Acts 19:24 For a certain man named Demetrius, a silversmith, which made silver shrines for Diana, brought no small gain unto the craftsmen;
Acts 19:25 Whom he called together with the workmen of like occupation, and said, Sirs, ye know that by this craft we have our wealth.
Acts 19:26 Moreover ye see and hear, that not alone at Ephesus, but almost throughout all Asia, this Paul hath persuaded and turned away much people, saying that they be no gods, which are made with hands:
Acts 19:27 So that not only this our craft is in danger to be set at naught; but also that the temple of the great goddess Diana should be despised, and her magnificence should be destroyed, whom all Asia and the world worshippeth.
Acts 19:28 And when they heard these sayings, they were full of wrath, and cried out, saying, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.
Acts 19:29 And the whole city was filled with confusion: and having caught Gaius and Aristarchus, men of Macedonia, Paul's companions in travel, they rushed with one accord into the theater.
Acts 19:30 And when Paul would have entered in unto the people, the disciples suffered him not.
Acts 19:31 And certain of the chief of Asia, which were his friends, sent unto him, desiring him that he would not adventure himself into the theater.
Acts 19:32 Some therefore cried one thing, and some another: for the assembly was confused; and the more part knew not wherefore they were come together.
Acts 19:33 And they drew Alexander out of the multitude, the Jews putting him forward. And Alexander beckoned with the hand, and would have made his defense unto the people.
Acts 19:34 But when they knew that he was a Jew, all with one voice about the space of two hours cried out, Great is Diana of the Ephesians.
Acts 19:35 And when the town clerk had appeased the people, he said, Ye men of Ephesus, what man is there that knoweth not how that the city of the Ephesians is a worshiper of the great goddess Diana, and of the image which fell down from Jupiter?
Acts 19:36 Seeing then that these things cannot be spoken against, ye ought to be quiet, and to do nothing rashly.
Acts 19:37 For ye have brought hither these men, which are neither robbers of churches, nor yet blasphemers of your goddess.
Acts 19:38 Wherefore if Demetrius, and the craftsmen which are with him, have a matter against any man, the law is open, and there are deputies: let them implead one another.
Acts 19:39 But if ye inquire any thing concerning other matters, it shall be determined in a lawful assembly.
Acts 19:40 For we are in danger to be called in question for this day's uproar, there being no cause whereby we may give an account of this concourse.
Acts 19:41 And when he had thus spoken, he dismissed the assembly.
Posted by: Dave | July 25, 2007 3:55 PM
The fact is that any knowledgable christian will indeed blaspheme darwinian evolution and all other evolutionary thought, micro mutant evolution excepted. Posit the existence of God and Heaven, Satan and Hell. If evolution, and the teaching of it, is persuasive to cause children of any age, K-12 and beyond, that there is no after life and no God to believe , no Gospel to believe, no need to repent and believe, NO Christ who grants the ability to believe... and these children wind up for eternity in hell??? The deceived will be held to a lesser punishment than the "churchman" who teaches evolution, but all, ALL need to consider:
Mat 19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
Mat 19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
Mat 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
Mat 18:7 Woe unto the world because of offenses! for it must needs be that offenses come; but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh!
Mat 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Posted by: Dave | July 25, 2007 4:08 PM
Rey 7:12 Your book's a bunch of hooey and it carries no weight here.
Posted by: Rey Fox | July 25, 2007 4:21 PM
I knew it was coming.
Dave the apologist sympathizer.
Posted by: Steve_C | July 25, 2007 4:34 PM
"Dave the apologist sympathizer."
...and bible quote spammer.
Posted by: Seamus Ruah | July 25, 2007 5:15 PM
Apparently, quoting the bible IS an excuse for not thinking.
Posted by: Simon G. | July 25, 2007 5:52 PM
Quoting the bible is evidence of not thinking. Believing in the bible is evidence of an inability to think on the part of the believer. Religion is a sickness of the mind which preys upon the foolish and the weak.
Posted by: tekel | July 25, 2007 6:12 PM
I marvel how quickly you begin to slander me as unthinking and a spammer. You must do this or actually address the points I make. In fact it seems that at the appearance of the Bible verses your thinking capacity vaporizes!
I am no sympathizer. I am a fellow apologist. You might find that to be able to present the Bible accurately takes a lot of thought, were you ever inclined to read it with a mind to understand it. I have had to do this on my own largely, for apart from a few bible colleges and teachers, most churchmen are not teaching it.
Did anyone see the parallel betwen the Ephesian Diana worshippers and the Darwinian ape worshippers? If the creationists were evr vindicated and received as there were before the scopes trial there would be not a few psuedo scientists and professors on the beach.
It all would be humorous if not for the multitudes of wasted lives walking into hell's gates singing the praises of Darwin.
Here's a challenge for you: Tell us who now are the "favored races"?
Psalm 139:17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!
Psalm 139:18 If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee.
Isaiah 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Isa 55:10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:
Isa 55:11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.
Posted by: Dave | July 25, 2007 8:13 PM
Dave, quoting scripture doesn't do anything here. It doesn't disprove evolution, it doesn't excuse Korn's actions and it sure doesn't do anything to convince a large part of us that you and Korn aren't completely off your rockers.
Addressing actual points instead of spamming bible verses would be a better choice to address the issues above.
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | July 25, 2007 8:58 PM
How am I to take YOU seriously when you call yourself a (Rev.) BigDumbChimp? It is hard to take your views seriously when you call yourself that. Those who dismiss God dismiss the image they are created in, and sink to lesser images.
We are persuaded by God of hell to come for the unbelievers. We love you enough to warn you, and to oppose the satanic verses of westen academia, namely evolutionary doctrine. We would not be as vigilant in this opposition were the creationist doctrine also offered in public schools and universities. The work of creationists is of a high standard. Unless I am wrong, and I think not, you and most of your colleagues around the world are far less studied in creation science than creationists are in evolutionary theory and "evidence".
The thing that puts you on the other side of the river is the politics and economics of academia, IMHO.
Posted by: Dave | July 25, 2007 9:26 PM
Dave sez: "...I think not..." and who can argue with that?
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | July 25, 2007 9:33 PM
I'll have you know that I am legally an ordained Reverend.
In comedy yes. It is so fraught with poor technique and distortion of actual science that it is laughable.
Posted by: Rev. bigDumbChimp | July 25, 2007 9:41 PM
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Posted by: Blake Stacey, OM | July 25, 2007 9:50 PM
Posted by: AaronInSanDiego | July 26, 2007 2:28 AM
Why remain where I am rejected out of hand. Pearls before swine??? You still have yet to show Mr. Korn's offenses as anything more than an annoyance to your godlessness. Similar to my offenses, I supppose. I really appreciate the FACT that I can talk to God about you. And about Mr. Korn, for whom I am asking divine guidance and protection.
The history of iconoclasts had a new chapter begun when liberal pols and evolutioninsts enshrined the likes of Chas. Darwin and Lucy. May God bless everyone of us by exposing and destroying your icons before the entire world, even today.
Posted by: Dave | July 26, 2007 8:19 AM
I guess the question is, does he talk back?
Posted by: Rev. BigDumbChimp | July 26, 2007 10:39 AM
Posted by: Stanton | July 26, 2007 10:48 AM
Suffer the little children! Humperdumperdoo!
Posted by: Rey Fox | July 26, 2007 10:49 AM
Dave.
Are you an idiot? Do you comprehend the absurdity of telling the people here that we're going to hell unless we repent? Quoting the bible to us is like reading from a bad fantasy novel.
It won't move us any more than a sermon by Ted Haggard or the Dodo Dobson.
Don't be absurd.
Posted by: Steve_C | July 26, 2007 11:02 AM
Furthermore, doesn't the Bible say it's blasphemy for a mere mortal, Christian, or otherwise, to determine whether or not God sends another person to Hell for all eternity simply because that other person does not think as the first does?
Posted by: Stanton | July 26, 2007 11:05 AM
On racism: There are only two races: Male and Female. (IT'S A JOKE!
But according to Hitler, Darwin was inspirational, and useful propaganda, as he was for Jim Crow.
Onward to Rome...
Posted by: Dave | July 26, 2007 11:11 AM
Furthermore, doesn't the Bible say it's blasphemy for a mere mortal, Christian, or otherwise, to determine whether or not God sends another person to Hell for all eternity simply because that other person does not think as the first does?
Dear Stanton, it is a serious matter to judge a man worthy of hell. None of us should think we ever could send another to hell by our own word. We cannot at all do so. We can influence others to remain unrepentant and unbelieving, (Matthew Ch. 23) and there by merit some responsibility for their destiny. That is a sobering thing to contemplate. But to believe God and his word is to believe not only John 3:16, but also John 3:17 and 3:18. That is God's authority, and it is the standard by which all will pass or fail.
Posted by: Dave | July 26, 2007 11:19 AM
Eugenics has nothing to do with Darwin you troll.
HItler was a christian as were almost all the white southern men who wrote the Jim Crow laws. Racism has nothing to do with Darwin. Slavery existed BEFORE Darwin.
You're an idiot.
Posted by: Steve_C | July 26, 2007 11:23 AM
The work of creationists is of a high standard.
The perhaps most important element in comedy is to be able to make the most outrageous and bizarre statements while keeping a straight face. Dave clearly masters this art unto perfection.
Posted by: forsen | July 26, 2007 11:33 AM
"IT'S A JOKE!"
But it's not funny.
Oh,