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Category: Creationism
Posted on: August 14, 2007 8:51 AM, by PZ Myers
Some fellow calling himself "homersimpson123" (who thinks he is doing the world a service) has uploaded all of the Kent Hovind DVDs to bittorrent, as well as the horrendous gemisch he uses in his presentations. Since Hovind is rotting in jail for a good long while, this is your chance to torture yourself with some truly awful nonsense.
(hat tip to DaveX)
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Meanwhile, the series "Evolution" for PBS remains unwatched by the scientifically unwashed.
Oh, drat. Then there is this news from Cartoon Brew -- Ken Ham's museum has a slick ad. Virtuous faithful will pray that the Museum runs out of money to run it. Here's the link -- even the cartoonists worry about the morality of cartooning for cretionism, in the comments: http://www.cartoonbrew.com/advertising/creation-museum-spot
Posted by: Ed Darrell | August 14, 2007 9:19 AM
Bob
Posted by: Bob O'H | August 14, 2007 9:27 AM
The Hovind stuff has been posted on the usenet binaries groups repeatedly... also Ken Ham stuff.
Alt.binaries.multimedia.documentaries and alt.binaries.documentaries are pretty much flooded with all manner of insane BS videos, from creationist stuff to UFO videos to Kent Jones and various other new world order conspiracy crap.
Posted by: craig | August 14, 2007 9:29 AM
I feel rather like the cat who just dropped a "gift" of a half-eaten dead bird at the master's feet...
Posted by: DaveX | August 14, 2007 9:42 AM
Its been on YouTube for years, hasn't it ?
Thats where I first saw it (I haven't looked at them all, you only need to see one of them to know whats in the rest).
Posted by: MartinC | August 14, 2007 9:49 AM
http://www.cartoonbrew.com/advertising/creation-museum-spot
Posted by: Ed Darrell
That is a pretty slick add. Too bad science isn't founded on whimsy.
But what, no Unicorns?
Posted by: RamblinDude | August 14, 2007 9:53 AM
It is truely offensive for cartoon character, Homer.
Posted by: mndarwinist | August 14, 2007 9:57 AM
I'd sooner extract a botfly larva with my teeth than watch Mr Hovind's speeches.
Posted by: Stanton | August 14, 2007 10:00 AM
You said "gemisch"...maybe Korn was right...welcome to the tribe!
Posted by: PalMD | August 14, 2007 10:02 AM
I've watched one of his "debates" with Shermer.
That was enough.
Shermer makes a good effort. BUt Hovind just spouts so much nonsense he doesn't even know where to go. He basically uses the "that's not science" and picks apart some of the most common creationist lies. Also I think he uses there's no rabbits or any other modern mammal in the fossil record with dinosaurs.
Posted by: Steve_C | August 14, 2007 10:13 AM
Well look on the bright side, read the comments on the torrent and see this one:
http://www.demonoid.com/files/details/1298414/3570996/
It is about 13 hours old by this writing and there are a lot of seeds and many dl.
So all is not lost
Posted by: ORK | August 14, 2007 10:36 AM
If anyone wants to torture himself and download these, here's a demonoid invite code
6ogv8azck3me13qh1102i7y31e1ve44c62wmgof
Posted by: george | August 14, 2007 11:57 AM
Does anyone else love the fact that below the description of god using hovind to get his word to the masses, we get this link
Hot Girls! Rate the girls in this best amateur contest!
Plus an ad for Harry Potter?
Posted by: george | August 14, 2007 11:59 AM
I didn't know there is the word "Gemisch" (german for "mixture") in english. Learning stuff rocks!
Posted by: Horst from Stuttgart | August 14, 2007 12:16 PM
Matt over at Pooflingers Anonymous reviewed the entire 12 part "Blue Series" of Kent Hovind creation "science" videos:
http://pooflingers.blogspot.com/2005/08/hovind-files-lying-for-jesus.html
Matt survived, and even still blogs.
Posted by: blf | August 14, 2007 12:43 PM
Hovind says he is in jail because he is being persecuted by the followers of the religion of evolution. And also, his excuse for not paying taxes was that he is a member of the "Nation of God" not American.
Richard
http://lifewithoutfaith.com
Posted by: Richard | August 14, 2007 2:42 PM
I went on a geology field trip a couple years ago, and we ate breakfast one morning at a little diner with these placemats:
http://www.notgneiss.com/pics/front.jpg
http://www.notgneiss.com/pics/back.jpg
I quote: "If yoU coUld gEt nEar him, yoU coUld vEry Easily pUll off thE arm of the T-Rex. HE woUld diE bEcaUsE hE woUld blEEd to dEath." Apparently courtesy of dr.dino, video #3
Posted by: Karen | August 14, 2007 3:06 PM
Gemisch is not an English word in any way, shape, or form (compare to, say, schadenfreude, which can by now be considered a borrowing into English from German).
(I suspect it's got into a lot of people's vocabularies by way of Yiddish, though.)
Posted by: Nix | August 14, 2007 3:15 PM
Wonderful. Thanks Karen, especially for this:
"Scientists have theorized that T-rex could probably breathe fire."
So Adam's family could have used the king of the tyrant lizards to start camp fires as well as open coconuts for them.
It's so wrong of me to laugh at people who suffered religious abuse like this. Unfortunately they are doing it to their own children, too.
Posted by: JohnnieCanuck, FCD | August 14, 2007 4:09 PM
actually, I know quite a few masochists.
What their kink has in common, is either an ability to eroticise pain, or an ability to transmute pain into spiritual experience.
I shudder to think of what it would be like to try to eroticise one of Hovind's rants - or of who the person who could do so would have to be. And I can't personally imagine anything further from spiritual experience than Hovind's brand of religious tripe.
Posted by: anonymity | August 14, 2007 4:17 PM
At least he has his name right, because his namesake once said something right out of the creationist playbook:
"Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true." - Homer Simpson
Posted by: Godless Geek | August 14, 2007 4:23 PM
I found this at the CSE 'rotting in jail' link above. Anyone know if it is not just random stupidity?
Makes me think of that Naked Ape book by Desmond Morris that I once read.
Posted by: JohnnieCanuck, FCD | August 14, 2007 4:24 PM
Bletch! Karen, er, "thanks" for that... my b.s.-detector, irony meter, last-resort failsafe "WTF??!???" circuit, and several other parts I didn't even know I had and am not certain what they did have all just not only fused, shorted out in a storm of sparks, and gone supernova, but are now melting their way through the disk. Great A'Tuin and the elephants are gonna have a nasty surprise in a few moments...! Please tell me those aren't real...l please... er, hello? Hello...?
Posted by: blf | August 14, 2007 6:12 PM
Hovind has always said his material was "not copyrighted", trying to facilitate spreading his material. A colleague (Jennifer Urban) and I thought it would be a great idea to take his videos & annotate them, either with scientific accuracy or parody ....
Posted by: Laura Quilter | August 14, 2007 8:36 PM
LARA: Good idea. Turn them into anti-creationist material, using his slick, convincing-sounding style. Is it really masochistic though? Isn't it humourous, doubly so that anyone takes it seriously?
Posted by: PeteK | August 14, 2007 9:21 PM
There are some youtube smackdowns of Hovind out there.
They use his video and then point out the lies and flaws in logic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=furcepFlfZ4
Posted by: Steve_C | August 15, 2007 11:35 AM