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Kathy Griffin is my new hero

We won’t get to hear Kathy Griffin’s Emmy award speech — it’s being censored. Here’s what she said:

In her speech, Griffin said that “a lot of people come up here and thank Jesus for this award. I want you to know that no one had less to do with this award than Jesus.”

She went on to hold up her Emmy, make an off-color remark about Christ and proclaim, “This award is my god now!”

The off-color remark was to say, “Suck it, Jesus.”

I thought it was funny. If I ever win an Emmy (do you have to be on TV to win that, or something?), I hope to remember to say something similar. It is, of course, ridiculous to censor someone for denying the influence of an invisible phantasm, but I guess the usual suspects got huffy. You know who I mean: the Indignant Sour Prune of the Airwaves, Bill Donohue.

The comedian’s remarks were condemned Monday by Catholic League President Bill Donohue, who called them a “vulgar, in-your-face brand of hate speech.”

Hate speech? Who did she hate? She laughed at an old superstition, mocking the habit of celebrities giving credit to an omnipotent ghost for nudging a shiny statuette their way. If Donohue were serious about his religion, he ought to be more upset at the trivialization of the Lord of the Cosmos into the guy who hands out trinkets.

Comments

  1. #1 Richard Wolford
    September 11, 2007

    Just one more reason to want to bed Kathy.

  2. #2 True Bob
    September 11, 2007

    She’s on my A-list now.

  3. #3 Kseniya
    September 11, 2007

    Are you serious?!? Damn you! Everyone knows the Hank-haters are destroying this country!

  4. #4 Brownian
    September 11, 2007

    Wouldn’t Bill and his cronies would have to be Jesus for this to qualify as hate speech against them?

    Cue religious ass-faces complaining about the protection from hate speech that homosexuals* “enjoy” but is denied all the good and honourable Christians because Liberals hate freedom and God in 5…4…3…2…1….

  5. #5 bernarda
    September 11, 2007

    Bill Maher’s comment about Bush applies equally to Donohue: he doesn’t pretend to have his head up his ass, it is really up there.

  6. #6 AJ Milne
    September 11, 2007

    I’ve always figured if I won an Oscar or similar, I’d really have to begin as follows:

    “First off: Mom? Thanks for nothin’.”

    … That said, Ms. Griffin’s line is pretty damned good, too.

    (No, I’ve really got nothing against my mom. But c’mon. It practically writes itself.)

  7. #7 skyotter
    September 11, 2007

    wah! wah! i have a right to not-be-offended! wah! etc.

  8. #8 Jim Kakalios
    September 11, 2007

    For that to count as “hate speech”, Donohue must think that Jesus can’t take it from the all powerful Kathy Griffin.

    Which raises the question of why does Donohue have such a low opinion of Jesus?

  9. #9 Blake Stacey
    September 11, 2007

    Mmmm, an awards speech, you say?

    “And to all the children of America: stay off the drugs, or you’ll end up just like me. Finally, I’d like to thank Japan for inventing the schoolgirl. . . .”

    Also: what sort of pusillanimous, superstitious hayseeds bowdlerize the phrase “Suck it, Jesus”? If you’re a news organization, you report what the woman said. Suck it, Associated Press.

  10. #10 ZacharySmith
    September 11, 2007

    Ya know, if I were religious, I’d like to think that the Big Guy has more important things to worry about than who wins an Oscar, Emmy or football game.

    And if I tell the invisible pink gnome living under my house to “suck it”, am I also guilty of hate speech?

  11. #11 Dustin
    September 11, 2007

    Suck it, Associated Press.

    I can’t tell you the number of times those exact words have left my lips.

  12. #12 Frac
    September 11, 2007

    I don’t know the odds of it reaching her, but I just left a note of support and approval on her web page. I’m sure she’s getting spammed with hate mail from the brotherly-love crowd. A few in the other direction will make for a nice change.

    http://kathygriffin.net/contactus.php

  13. #13 MAJeff
    September 11, 2007

    although I’m not one of her gays, I’d gladly become one after this performance.

  14. #14 Andrés
    September 11, 2007

    Really profound people, these Christians. They believe in a supreme being that will judge the world on the basis of their sexual preferences and their vocabulary use. Oh, I feel so shallow in comparison…

  15. #15 Andrés
    September 11, 2007

    Really profound people, these Christians. They believe in a supreme being that will judge the world on the basis of their sexual preferences and their vocabulary use. Oh, I feel so shallow in comparison…

  16. #16 MAJeff
    September 11, 2007

    Wanna tell the Academy to suck it for their censorship? Here’s the president’s email:

    dick.askin@emmyleader.org

  17. #17 Sinbad
    September 11, 2007

    Hate speech laws, even if/when consitutional, don’t apply here (and there’s no free speech issue either). At issue is poor taste and whether the network wishes to air the remark. E! is free to if it wishes or may edit. I would expect Griffin’s tasteless remark to be edited whether its object was Jesus, George W. Bush, Hillary Clinton or Richard Dawkins. A bigger star trashing a very unpopular object might not be edited, but I’m skeptical about that. The question is largely an economic one, in my view.

  18. #18 Chris Bell
    September 11, 2007

    Another reminder why the left should know better than to support hate speech laws….

  19. #19 stogoe
    September 11, 2007

    Sinbad, I disagree with your characterization of Griffin’s remarks as ‘tasteless’. They were both spicy and zesty and would have added a much-needed kick in the pants to the bland flavorless mush* the FCC lets past their censors.

    *I call it Rootmarm.

  20. #20 stogoe
    September 11, 2007

    Another reminder why the left should know better than to support hate speech laws….

    Based on this sentence I can tell you have neither paid attention to the discussion nor have any idea what you’re talking about.

  21. #21 Bert Chadick
    September 11, 2007

    I haven’t got time to watch her show, but You Go Girl anyway!
    As far as the Kiddy Diddlers of Rome go, well every day the sun comes up there are fewer of them. Unfortunately their lost souls just go off to buy another spiritual product, just as annoying and just as silly.

  22. #22 Sarcastro
    September 11, 2007

    Suck it, Flying Spaghetti Monster!
    I don’t really mean that…

    Helloooo! Flying Spaghetti Monster! He/She/It was made for sucking!

    Oh for Kibo’s sake, I’ve fallen into an infinite regress… so WHO made the FSM!?!?!?

  23. #23 Tiskel
    September 11, 2007

    It’s funny how many people are commenting on the site about how much of an outcry there would be if she said the same thing about Allah. I think it would be hillarious to see the same outcry the first time someone *thanked* Allah on one of those shows, or after winning a big game,etc.

  24. #24 Azkyroth
    September 11, 2007

    Hate speech laws, even if/when consitutional, don’t apply here (and there’s no free speech issue either). At issue is poor taste and whether the network wishes to air the remark. E! is free to if it wishes or may edit. I would expect Griffin’s tasteless remark to be edited whether its object was Jesus, George W. Bush, Hillary Clinton or Richard Dawkins. A bigger star trashing a very unpopular object might not be edited, but I’m skeptical about that. The question is largely an economic one, in my view.

    Will someone please explain to me why I repeatedly have to explain to grown adults that entity A “having the right” to do something has absolutely no bearing on whether or not their decision to exercise that right is worthy of criticism?

  25. #25 ERV
    September 11, 2007

    Sonja– I didn’t think Kathy Griffin was all that funny doing stand-up until I got hooked on her Bravo show, “My Life on the D-List”.

    Me too! She talks about her atheism/makes jokes at the expense of Biblos a lot on the show too!

    Go Bravo for not censoring her there!

  26. #26 AlanWCan
    September 11, 2007

    Land of the free^H^H^H^H^Htimid, home of the brave^H^H^H^H^Hprudish….or something.

  27. #27 SteveM
    September 11, 2007

    “reminds me of the “Jesus made me fumble. He hates out team.” comedy routine. Classic. And brilliant.”

    Could be George Carlin. Just saw an old performance of his on HBO last night where he asks, “…and what is it with sports people thanking Jesus for their achievement? How come you never see any of them blame Jesus when they lose? ‘Jesus made me fumble’ …”

  28. #28 Sinbad
    September 11, 2007

    Hi, Sinbad. I was wondering where you’d gone.

    I’ve been around, but hadn’t seen anything worth commenting on in a while.

    …though I have wonder if she’d said “Allah” instead of “Jesus” what the all-around reaction would have been.

    I suspect that would have been edited out too, though the level and nature of the fear behind the move would have been different.

    Kathy asks her mother why she still hangs out with those kid-f*ckers in the Catholic church, to which her mother replies, ‘Oh Kathleen, some of those priests hardly even touched those kids …’.

    Child-abusers of all stripes deserve big-time punishment, but I think we make priests far too easy a target. All professions with lots of contact with kids have serious issues here.

    http://someonesaygrace.blogspot.com/2007/08/selective-outrage.html

    Will someone please explain to me why I repeatedly have to explain to grown adults that entity A ‘having the right’ to do something has absolutely no bearing on whether or not their decision to exercise that right is worthy of criticism?

    Azkyroth, if you really intended to post this in response to what I wrote, it’s a non sequitur.

  29. #29 Ichthyic
    September 11, 2007

    If E! agreed and, more importantly, thought most viewers would agree with your assessment I suspect the remarks wouldn’t have been edited.

    you really don’t know how the Spanish Inquisition that calls itself the FCC works, do you?

    a much more likely explanation is that E! wasn’t willing to risk being fined by the FCC.

  30. #30 jeffk
    September 11, 2007

    “Will someone please explain to me why I repeatedly have to explain to grown adults that entity A ‘having the right’ to do something has absolutely no bearing on whether or not their decision to exercise that right is worthy of criticism?

    Azkyroth, I’ve been asking that question for years. Good I’m not alone.

  31. #31 Bechamel
    September 11, 2007

    a much more likely explanation is that E! wasn’t willing to risk being fined by the FCC.

    Um, the FCC’s jurisdiction in enforcing “decency” only applies to over-the-air broadcasts, not cable. E!’s only risk was outraged viewers.

  32. #32 Sinbad
    September 11, 2007

    But priests are deliberately protected by their employers when they are caught molesting children.

    Many have been and it’s horrible. Many teachers have been too (for example), by both school districts and teachers unions.

    One could also argue that with the priests’ position as next-to-God in the eyes of their communities and especially the children within those communities makes their abuses that much more heinous.

    True, although anyone in authority with a position of trust has similar status. Note too that the research I cited in my blog post suggests that teachers are even more of a threat to children than priests are, both on a numerical basis and on a percentage basis.

    [Y]ou really don’t know how the Spanish Inquisition that calls itself the FCC works, do you?

    You really aren’t aware of a little something called jurisdiction, are you?

  33. #33 Brownian
    September 11, 2007

    You don’t think the fact that priests claim access to a higher moral authority has anything to do with it?

  34. #34 Ichthyic
    September 11, 2007

    You really aren’t aware of a little something called jurisdiction, are you?

    nope, my bad. I thought the FCC had influence there too.

    I officially take my lumps.

    OTOH…

    http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11492

    oops.

    perhaps you need to investigate the actions of the FCC beyond their jurisdiction?

  35. #35 Ichthyic
    September 11, 2007

    “As the chairman of the FCC, Powell has a duty to regulate media in the public interest. “

    now this is concerning how the cable companies themselves decide what to show, but if the FCC feels it has a duty here…

    how is that within their jurisdiction, eh?

    while you are right that it’s unlikely E! would be influenced by the FCC in this specific case, you’re wrong to think that the FCC doesn’t and will not have an influence in cable broadcasts.

  36. #36 Ichthyic
    September 11, 2007

    oh, here’s another recent bit of news showing how broadly the FCC is involved in broadcasting, including the cable industry:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/26/business/media/26fcc.html?ei=5090&en=d6caaaf68ecd24be&ex=1335240000&pagewanted=print

  37. #37 craig
    September 11, 2007

    whoops, sorry for my repetitive comment. I hadn’t refreshed the page lately I guess, missed some comments.

  38. #38 Ichthyic
    September 11, 2007

    you’re too late, craig, read #79.

  39. #39 usagi
    September 11, 2007

    He’s not upset about the “hate speech”; he’s fuming about the heresy. Kathy’s raised Catholic (‘efin IRISH Catholic). And there’s no sanctions Billy and his minions can enforce. (Well, not technically true–I’m sure she’ll lose bookings over it, but that’s more a temporal matter than celestial, and boys like Billy love to sit in judgment and damn people to hell. See Orac on 9/8.)

    I’m delighted to hear she won this year. Although flipping off the winner (Extreme Home Makeover last time) and telling them to “Suck my dick!” while storming out could have made for some fun television as well.

  40. #40 Ichthyic
    September 11, 2007

    And there’s no sanctions Billy and his minions can enforce.

    did they stop using excommunication as a tool of obedience?

    oh wait, you’re talking about EFFECTIVE sanctions…

  41. #41 Sinbad
    September 11, 2007

    Ichthyic — That a bureaucratic agency would suggest that organizations in its regulatory field get together and propose a solution to a perceived problem (your first link) or lobby for additional regulatory authority (your second link) is not exactly man bites dog surprising. Moreover, neither fact in any way limits what E! could or should do in this situation.

  42. #42 Steverino
    September 11, 2007

    How is this any different then the Christian Right littering our TV viewing time with anti-gay BS>?

  43. #43 Steverino
    September 11, 2007

    …aside from the fact that..SHE WAS NOT SPEAKING HATRED ABOUT A GROUP.

  44. #44 Jen
    September 11, 2007

    Funny, since one of her stand-up specials is entitled:

    Everybody can suck it.

    I guess that includes Hank, Jesus, and me, too. And after spitting a gin & tonic across the keyboard watching her account of her run-in with Mary-Kate (here’s the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhjJ5wPzA0I)–sorry, I’m not confident enough to encode it–I am feeling fully willing to suck it.

    I’m starting to change my mind about KG.

  45. #45 cyan
    September 11, 2007

    The most productive way to change this further censorship is by a flood of emails to

    dick.askin@emmyleader.org

    as MAJeff posted in #39. (Thanks, MAJeff).

    Tell ‘em that you are or will be contacting the sponsors of this and future shows.

    Its the potential money that talks with producers, not ethics.

    It doesn’t matter if you think K.G. is funny or not. What matters is that in this matter, her opinion on the worthlessness of the supernatural is being censored because its thought that others whose views are similar to hers do not influence the market. Let’s show them that we care that our views should be regarded with every bit as much seriousness as those of godbots, because it will make a difference in profits.

    Write and send.

  46. #46 Aerik
    September 11, 2007

    You can’t make me ashamed of the fact that I love to watch Kathy’s show "Livin’ Life on the D–List.”

    I remember just before her father died, she did a bit about telling her parents about being booked for Rosie O’Donnels cruise for gay and lesbian parents and their families. She said that her parents, like most Catholics, take the lord’s name in vain more than anybody else. She did impressions of her mother with every variation of ‘god damnit’, ‘oh jesus h. tap–dancing christ’ and ‘oh, peter paul and all the apostles’ she could come up with.

    It’s not like they couldn’t see that kind of comment coming.

  47. #47 Shawn W
    September 11, 2007

    ‘Dick in a Box’ won an Emmy? lol!

  48. #48 Torbjörn Larsson, OM
    September 11, 2007

    Kathy Griffin advances on my list now.

    And that is not considering meeting both her and Emmy…

  49. #49 CJ
    September 11, 2007

    You could start out by crossing yourself with the sign of the “A” and then thanking (somewhat) faithful replication.

  50. #50 Kseniya
    September 11, 2007

    Alison – good point.

    I do respect a person’s right to believe…

    Whether or not I have respect for the belief itself, however, depends a quite a lot on the nature of the belief!

  51. #51 Steve_C
    September 11, 2007

    Exactly! Or how about a Nascar racer announcing he’s an atheist.

    The prayer before the race makes me groan.

  52. #52 Brownian
    September 11, 2007

    Steve_C, I’ve had just about enough of your in-your-face anti-country music and anti-NASCAR hate speech.

    Why do you hate freedom so much, commie?

  53. #53 Steven Carr
    September 12, 2007

    This was very predictable.

    There have been a couple of atheist books written in the past year with the inevitable results :- Hollywood actresses are no longer thanking Jesus for their awards.

    I’m sure that if Dawkins had known what would happen, he would never have started on that book. I hear that he is crying now that he has seen what his words have lead to.

    Is it too late to recall all the copies?

  54. #54 Norman Doering
    September 12, 2007

    The Catholic League has posted Griffin’s agent’s, Tim Curtis, email at the William Morris Agency: tc@wma.com

  55. #55 Brownian
    September 12, 2007

    Thanks Norman. From the CL’s site: ACADEMY TO CENSOR KATHY GRIFFIN; SHE STILL NEEDS TO APOLOGIZE

    Do they really expect her to apologise to a dead guy?

  56. #56 Brownian
    September 12, 2007

    Wait, wait. Pope John Paul II made several apologies for Catholic wrongdoings, including one in 2001 for the sacking of Constantinople in 1204.

    Given that Cathy’s blasphemy falls somewhere lower on the list of things one should apologise for (one would hope that telling Jesus to ‘suck it’ is less bad in God’s eyes than rape and murder, but no two True Christians? seem to be able to agree on who or what God hates most, but merely that He hates), she should be granted at least six centuries before she has to tell Jesus that she’s sorry.

    After all, it seems rather hypocritical that Catholics would expect an atheist to conform more strongly to their sense of morality than their own church.

  57. #57 Graculus
    September 12, 2007

    There are several wonderfully funny (yet tasteful) slang uses of ‘suck’ such as

    Erm, no. Unless it specifically refers to something other than penis, it’s a fellatio reference. Try Those phrases using “suck” as a transitive verb. English is a fairly rude language, all told. (Yay English!)

    My response was always the same- “wrong Jew.”

    If I were Jewish I would so steal this.

  58. #58 Alison
    September 12, 2007

    J Myers, you definitely have a point. Dawkins explained nicely why children accept the beliefs their parents teach them, and there’s no question that people who are indoctrinated early don’t necessarily have a choice. However, as adults, we CAN make that choice. Most of us atheists grew up with some of that religious indoctrination, but realized that it was wrong and left it. Children now are being born into and raised by families who practice non-mainstream faiths, but not so long ago, those faiths were becoming popular because of adult conversions. Holocaust denialists count adults among their new members all the time, adding to the unfortunates whose parents taught them this foolishness. The point is, while a belief might well be something you can’t help but have because you’ve been taught from birth that it’s true, it’s not something that cannot be changed. The whole point of challenging irrational beliefs is to change them, and it works often enough that continued challenging is justified.

    The hurdles to changing a belief may seem insurmountable, creating the illusion that they aren’t a choice. I see the apologetics and mental gymnastics required to maintain faith in the face of contradictory evidence as even further evidence that it’s a choice. You could even liken it to a heavy smoking habit, alcoholism, or drug addiction. It provides a feeling you think you need. It’s really, really hard to quit, so you either don’t try, or come up with an ever-expanding litany of why you can’t. There are repercussions from quitting – you lose your comfort source, you completely change the routines of your life, and you may have to remove yourself from parts of your social circle. Just like religion. But people quit smoking, drinking, and using addictive drugs all the time, too.

    It may not seem like a choice, but it is. And as a choice, it is open to criticism in a way that your genetics or family background or sexual orientation or intelligence are not. I wish there were a fast and efficient way of getting this across to the people who think that comparing criticism of religion to racism, sexism, etc., bias against inborn traits, is a good analogy. Sadly, the same mechanism that allows them to believe despite evidence prevents this.

  59. #59 Dave K
    September 12, 2007

    Kseniya wrote:

    “When I was old enough to be told why, I understood: the cock is implied, always. In another generation or two, that may no longer be true.”

    Actually, it’s already true, and it represents a big generational divide. In my own speech, and in the speech of the great majority of people younger than me (I’m 41), “suck” in the usual colloquial sense (“You suck” or “This sucks”) has absolutely no sexual connotations whatsoever. It’s just an informal, slangy word, with no more sexual connotation than “stink” in “You stink”. Yet most people just a few years older than me, and quite a few my age or even a little younger, get very uncomfortable with that use of “suck”, because to them it inevitably and directly implies fellatio. I remember the first time somebody got upset at me for using that word, because it had literally never occurred to me that it referred to sucking a penis, though once they pointed it out I could see that that was probably the origin of the expression. It just doesn’t have that meaning for me, and I’m pretty sure the same would be true of the vast majority of teenagers and young adults today.

  60. #60 CortxVortx
    September 12, 2007

    Re: #138

    Wow, lily, wonderfully incoherent rant!

    — CV

  61. #61 Rey Fox
    September 12, 2007

    “Thanks Norman. From the CL’s site: ACADEMY TO CENSOR KATHY GRIFFIN; SHE STILL NEEDS TO APOLOGIZE”

    See, they’re never satisfied. “Fairness” and “equal treatment” will never be enough for them. They want total immunity and deference. They, quite frankly, can suck it. And I hope Kathy tells them that.

    “you’re all a joke and the last laugh is for those who mock the living God to get a worthless award for a television show which on the whole is just a waste of the viewers time.”

    Har har. She won the award before she mocked the “living god”. And really, if the Emmys are so beneath you, then why complain about what the winners say?

    And also, is God really so insecure that he can’t stand not being given credit for every little thing?

  62. #62 Blake Stacey
    September 12, 2007

    john lennon returned his MBE (knight of the british empire) he was not going to go along with the wicked plans as such as he could see them

    First of all, it’s actually Member of the British Empire. Second, John Lennon was also the one who said “Imagine no religion”, “God is a concept by which we measure our pain”, and the following:

    Christianity will go. It will vanish and shrink. . . . I don’t know what will go first, rock ‘n’ roll or Christianity. We’re more popular than Jesus now. Jesus was all right, but his disciples were thick and ordinary. It’s them twisting it that ruins it for me.

    What are you trying to prove?

  63. #63 True Bob
    September 12, 2007

    Fatboy, my next door neighbor wanted the same thing. Then one day, his daughter said, with exasperation, “I just want something to SUCK!”. She wanted a popsicle.

    Expletives die off as they lose their uniqueness, their punch. I hear ‘bitch’ all the time, as ‘to complain’ (bitch bitch bitch), but I also hear ‘beeyotch’, on the good ole telly. Losing its impact.

  64. #64 Blake Stacey
    September 12, 2007

    I wonder if I’ll be able to get this URL through the spam filter: http://www.suckitjesus.com.

  65. #65 Kseniya
    September 12, 2007

    And that’s why they call him… “Blake!” :-)

  66. #66 Brownian
    September 12, 2007

    What was the point? Was lightning was going to strike and we would fall on our collectives knees to place ourselves prostrate to the big sky daddy?

    I can drink a helluva lot of beer without any ill effects, but people like Lily make me want to projectile vomit.

    Is it because her writing shows her to be a semi-literate dingbat? No.

    It’s because people like her are small-minded, selfish little brats whose concern is not bringing any message of salvation to us heathens (as patronising as that is), but witnessing for the sole purpose of currying favour with Jesus and God to win a place in heaven. It’s apparent from the glee and relish they demonstrate at the thought of unbelievers burning for eternity in hell.

    I first became an atheist when I realised that any god who would reward self-absorbed, sycophantic, tattle-tales like her wasn’t worth worshipping. (“Je-e-esus, Kathy Griffin said a bad word about you plus she won’t stay on her side of the ca-a-ar! When we stop for ice cream don’t give her any!”)

    Suck it, Lily. You disgust me.

  67. #67 crf
    September 12, 2007

    She didn’t follow the protocol.
    Before you make speech at the MTV awards, you’re supposed to ask yourself: What would mullah Omar do?

  68. #68 Pacati
    September 12, 2007

    All over the web it says, “Kathy Griffin to be censored.” She’s already censored.

    I’ve hit at least 40 websites trying to find out what the “off color remark about Jesus” was.

    “Suck it, Jesus.”

    Thank you. I was starting to wonder what was going on.

  69. #69 Brian F
    September 13, 2007

    The shock value is (a) part of her public persona and (b) arguably necessary to get people’s attention. Though I’ll admit that she would have gotten almost as much attention had she left the last bit off, it elevates the occurrence from only slightly humorous to hilarious.

    But then again, I’m all about the disrespectful humor, so….

  70. #70 Dan
    September 13, 2007

    it was tasteless to say it such a manner, do you think maybe Kathy has lost all perspective on what people think is the most holy person ever on earth.

    this is the Christian West after all, founded on Christian princepals

    but Kathy and anyone else who remotely thinks like her are delusional

    frightening….
    Posted by: lily straton

    What in the bloody hell is this retard trying to say? Is it something about Little Timmy being trapped in a well? The “Christian West?” WTF?

  71. #71 JohnnieCanuck, FCD
    September 14, 2007

    Kind of hard to tell what she meant by Christian West. That part about princepals might be a clue. Perhaps it is the place where little children get to be pals with princes of the church.

  72. #72 jackie
    March 8, 2008

    Kathy can say what she wants Now, but come Judgement Day she’ll wish she hadn’t, yes I’m Christian , MY GOD has better things to do than to get upset by her , after all He’s will be taking care of her when the time comes, no I don’t slam other Religions, God gave us all free will,if you want to follow someone who’s dead thats your perogative , I’d rather stick with a sure thing.
    A LOVER OF JESUS AND PROUD OF IT.<><

  73. #73 MAJeff, OM
    March 8, 2008

    A LOVER OF JESUS AND PROUD OF IT.>

    How hung is he? Is he any good?

  74. #74 Steve_C
    March 8, 2008

    hehe… look what the cat dragged in.

    Someone strayed in on a google search.

    I love STAR WARS and PROUD OF IT!

  75. #75 Janine
    March 8, 2008

    You can say what you want for I know you will be eternally punished when the time comes.

    Nah, you are not slamming anyone. You have your surrogate do it. You sad little person.

  76. #76 Michael X
    March 8, 2008

    “I’ll stick to a sure thing.” Said the muslim to the christian.
    “Well, we’ll all know what’s what on judgement day.” Said the catholic to the protestant.
    “I love the one true god!” Everyone says past each other.

    For a race endowed with google searching, we don’t seem to be using to learn about anything…

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