Pharyngula

There goes my appetite

Not that I’m any fan of fast food anyway, but these photos of what the stuff really looks like has me cured. I may have to become a vegetarian, which wouldn’t be too bad. Or at least swear off cheese.

(via Greg Laden)

Comments

  1. #1 Ichthyic
    October 29, 2007

    Yes, you can work with a food stylist (high-paid professionals, worth every penny)

    wait… not only is there a career called “food stylist”, but it’s a high paying one???

    fuck me.

  2. #2 Ichthyic
    October 29, 2007

    Sure, why not?

    because 4 years of grad school only enables me to be able to compete with a zillion other biologists for jobs that pay middle-low income?

    that clearer?

  3. #3 Ichthyic
    October 29, 2007

    Then maybe you should have stuck around for two or three more years to finish your Ph.D. instead of leaving early. :-)

    bullshit.

    took you 7 years to finish, did it?

    last job I applied for had no less than 60 other PhDs competing for it.

    …and it payed about 48K/yr.

    you’re either lying, or you’re not in biology.

    from your blog:

    Random drippings of a leaky mind.

    indeed.

  4. #4 PZ Myers
    October 29, 2007

    Now, now, Ichthyic. Epistaxis was making a joke.

    But your numbers are on the generous side. $40K/year jobs in biology will attract at least a hundred applicants. And that’s very common.

  5. #5 Ichthyic
    October 29, 2007

    Now, now, Ichthyic. Epistaxis was making a joke.

    But your numbers are on the generous side. $40K/year jobs in biology will attract at least a hundred applicants. And that’s very common.

    indeed. you get slightly more money on the West Coast, but the same numbers generally apply.

    exactly why I didn’t get the humor in that joke.

    go figure.

    I’ve had to spend time in IT management, database programming, even professional photography myself to make ends meet in between bio gigs. I recall meeting people when I was working IT who made 70K a year for managing a company’s EMAIL SERVER for fuck’s sake.

    not that way NOW, since the bottom dropped out of the internet economy in 99/2000, but it still galls me that someone can make way more money doing something I can learn to do in a single afternoon than all the years I spent studying to be a zoologist.

    I understand it, to some extent, economic priorities being what they are and all, but it still pisses me off.

    pardon me if I miss a few jokes from time to time.

    :p

  6. #6 Ichthyic
    October 29, 2007

    Not really, it just comes off sounding like sour grapes.

    well, that’s because that’s exactly what it is.

    However, it is “justified” sour grapes.

  7. #7 Michael Ralston
    October 29, 2007

    For all that fast food has issues, taking the burgers home and sitting on them before the shot (I mean, seriously. Several of those were crushed in ways you don’t see unless you the customer do it!) is still … deceptive.

    As for Ichthyic: If you could make 30k/year more for doing a job you could learn to do in a single afternoon… what precisely is keeping you from learning it and going to do it, mm?

  8. #8 Ichthyic
    October 29, 2007

    As for Ichthyic: If you could make 30k/year more for doing a job you could learn to do in a single afternoon… what precisely is keeping you from learning it and going to do it, mm?

    um, I did. hence the IT management i mentioned, where I was making 80K/yr.

    things change though (like the bottom dropping out of the internet economy), and it certainly was never what i studied most of my life to do.

    i suppose you think nobody should get paid for doing something they actually want to do?

    that biologists should get paid less and have to compete for scraps because they enjoy what they do?

    hmm.

    sure you want to go in that direction with your argument?

  9. #9 autumn
    October 29, 2007

    At Ichthyic,

    Dude, what’s wrong with capital letters at the beginning of sentences? You use capitals in other situations, and I can’t think of any reason you fail to use them as they are expected in written speech.
    I’m not trying to insult or belittle you, but I want to know why some internet users are not concerned with the consistancy or style of their writing.

  10. #10 Ichthyic
    October 29, 2007

    but I want to know why some internet users are not concerned with the consistancy[sic] or style of their writing.

    sounds like you already know.

  11. #11 Ichthyic
    October 29, 2007

    We all eat organically grown, non GM, macrobiotic, vegan wholegrains.

    so THAT’s what vegemite is.

  12. #12 Ichthyic
    October 29, 2007

    yes, sorry for not grasping the humor, but I thought you were implying something else.

    BUt as for the pay, people set out on a career in science with specific goals in mind, and money is not among those goals.

    *sigh*

    How many times have I had extended conversations with various colleagues where we always lamented this catch 22.

    I’ve always wondered what would happen if all of a sudden biology students started EXPECTING to make a decent living being a scientist.

    would the pay rates start going up?

    many other people doing jobs that pay far more ALSO didn’t necessarily go into their professions with cash being the primary motivator.

    the problem is mostly due to public vs. private sector, and most public sector jobs typically being far less in salary.
    one reason so many scientists (me included) jumped ship to actually make a living in the private sector.

    the only thing that keeps our level of science in this country competitive at all any more is that there are simply so many scientists with degrees to begin with that they can flood the market.

    the entire “science” economy is a complete mess.

    bottom line:

    I always have considered the idea that a scientist becomes a scientist only because of a love of doing science to be a crock. There is absolutely no reason a budding scientist should have to look forward to a life of near poverty. It just shouldn’t be that way, and in the end, it’s holding the advancement of many (all, really) fields of science back.

    funding is ALWAYS a matter of setting priorities, and the priorities for the public sector in this country are completely fubar.

    That said, the years haven’t had a chance to wear at you yet, so I hope you get a great job as soon as you finish your thesis, so you never really have to think about this shit much.

  13. #13 Bride of Shrek
    October 29, 2007

    Ichthyic

    I’ll have you know Vegemite is the food of the Gods, Ambrosia, Black Gold. It is the only known thing on the planet that possibly deomnstrably supports ID. ..well, beer also.

    Don’t mess with the Mite!!!!!

    On another note I truly sympathise with you regarding pay rates in science. It’s pretty shit too here in Aus and understandably it results in a “brain drain” of good scientists leaving for overseas and an income they can live on. I was a microclimatologist (didn’t do PhD,only Masters) but to get to that point would have entailed the better part of 11-12 years of study- for $40K. I changed professions after a few years (dramatically actually- went and did Law) but science is always my first love and its only only blogs such as this that I can keep up with the intelligensia ( as opposed to speaking to bastard lawyers all day but thats another matter).

  14. #14 David Marjanovi?, OM
    October 29, 2007

    Ph.D.’s usually take far more than four years.

    Depends on the country. In France, after 3 years, you can (!) apply for a fourth year, but then it’s over, and you run into trouble. In Austria, 2 (!) years is the minimum, and there is no maximum.

    Inevitably, US theses tend to be more work than French ones and not necessarily comparable…

  15. #15 David Marjanovi?, OM
    October 29, 2007

    Ph.D.’s usually take far more than four years.

    Depends on the country. In France, after 3 years, you can (!) apply for a fourth year, but then it’s over, and you run into trouble. In Austria, 2 (!) years is the minimum, and there is no maximum.

    Inevitably, US theses tend to be more work than French ones and not necessarily comparable…

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