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Sherri “the earth is flat” Shepherd advances the atheist cause for us once again by demonstrating just how stupid going to church can make you. This time, it was about history: Jesus came before the Romans and the Greeks, the Greeks threw Christians to the lions, and nothing could have preceded Jesus.

It just goes to show, though, that there is no intelligence minimum for the chattering pundit class.

Comments

  1. #1 Ted D
    December 4, 2007

    My brain hurts in sympathy. Of course, any pain in the area of her brain is phantom pain.

  2. #2 Dan
    December 4, 2007

    That woman is clearly too stupid to fully appreciate just how stupid she truly is.

    In some circles, just the fact that she’s survived this long without killing herself could be seen as proof that there is a god.

  3. #3 pradeep
    December 4, 2007

    The interesting thing is that probably 40% of the United States’ population is just as clueless, just as unaware, and just as adamant in their beliefs.

    Let’s help evolution along for the sake of humanity, and have many, many smart children!

  4. #4 Steve P
    December 4, 2007

    ugh I can just envision house cows all over the US nodding in agreement with Flat Earth Sherri. How many people watching this vacuous drivel do you think went straight to their computers after this discussion to research the issue for themselves?

    Yep.. ZERO

    If any aliens in outer space can read this.. I’m ready please come get me.

  5. #5 Brett McCoy
    December 4, 2007

    It’s amazing that brain can generate enough power to keep that mouth moving.

  6. #6 pradeep
    December 4, 2007

    Problem is that if aliens somehow intercepted that broadcast, they would think we are the planet of the idiots.

  7. #7 Larry
    December 4, 2007

    Arrrggggh! Teh stupid!

    It burns!!

  8. #8 Rick T.
    December 4, 2007

    Sherri, at least allow that Mary and Joseph predated Christ.
    Being a stupid Christian is one thing but not knowing that Adam and Eve were supposed to be the first humans? Holy Shit! Was Jesus before them? Get your mythology strait.
    And until you do, have the sense to be embarrassed for yourself.

  9. #9 Glen Davidson
    December 4, 2007

    I suppose the “logic” is that true religion could not come into being, or change. And given religions’ claims, it’s not an unreasonable belief.

    The only trouble is, all religions, including every last one that is the “true religion,” did need to be invented, and thus fails internally (no, I don’t want to get into the details and rationalizations), besides failing externally.

    Sherri’s amazingly ignorant in all areas, it appears, including those untouched by religion. However, she does seem to be especially afflicted by ignorance through her initial glaring error of supposing that religion’s claims to “eternal truth” are not lies.

    Glen D
    http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

  10. #10 Norman Doering
    December 4, 2007

    pradeep wrote:

    Problem is that if aliens somehow intercepted that broadcast, they would think we are the planet of the idiots.

    And they’d be right.

  11. #11 Robert Thille
    December 4, 2007

    She’s not the only American idiot:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE
    sigh. At least I understand now how Bush got re-elected.

  12. #12 MAJeff
    December 4, 2007

    The privileging of christianity makes americans stupid. Pretty solid hypothesis, I’d say.

  13. #13 waldteufel
    December 4, 2007

    Sherri Shepherd has to be a poster child for what the Discovery Institute would love to create with every school child in this country.

    I can’t think of a strong enough synonym for the stupidity that this woman spews. Absolutely revolting.

  14. #14 MAJeff
    December 4, 2007

    I think now would be the time for readers of this site to flood her page with perfunctory vitriol,
    “STUPID CUNT”
    “FUCKING MORON”
    “IGNORANT DIPSHIT”
    come to mind.

    Everything but the first one. No need to turn into misogynists over an idiot.

  15. #15 N. Wells
    December 4, 2007

    (#8 wins the thread, IMHO.)

    If she’s not drummed off the show, perhaps we should petition the network to supply captions as needed that say “Warning: She’s completely wrong again.” Maybe they could be color-coded according to the severity of the error.

  16. #16 Bryson Brown
    December 4, 2007

    Ignorance is the problem– ignorance that doesn’t even realize there’s something there worth knowing. It’s the key attitude for these people: I don’t need to know anything, I’m a Christian! You can even half understand it: if ‘Jebus saves’ is really the most important thing in the universe to know, all these things the rest of us study and learn (even reading the bible and understanding the outlines of ancient history that locate Jesus, put him in an interpretive context that you could use to understand the religion that grew out of his life etc.) is really pointless. Of course you do need to know how to turn a key in your car’s ignition, etc. But that’s all important just because you can’t get through a day without it. Nothing counts but the practical and ‘Jesus’. Shepard gets through her days just fine not knowing anything about history, science, or anything else, for that matter. Once upon a time we expected peasants to be like that (though some, heroically, learned much more). Now, it’s encouraged (by some): what, me worry? I’m a Xian!

  17. #17 MAJeff
    December 4, 2007

    pradeep,

    Nope, she’s that stupid. She attributes her getting the position on the show to her fans’ prayers, and has previously said she’s not sure if the earth is flat and evolution is false…because of her bible. Exhibit A in the case of how Christianity makes you stupid.

  18. #18 Rachel I.
    December 4, 2007

    How…? What about, say, Jews? Dear ghods.

  19. #19 Bubba Sixpack
    December 4, 2007

    Is Shepherd on the show as the religious-right’s smartest representative? ;)

  20. #20 MAJeff
    December 4, 2007

    Is Shepherd on the show as the religious-right’s smartest representative? ;)

    It’s between her and Elizabeth Hasselbeck. She can give Shepherd a run for her money on the religio-stupid every so often.

  21. #21 Brownian, OM
    December 4, 2007

    I didn’t realize Atheists had an entry test either?

    You only have to be smart enough to realise that religion is a scam run by the evil to fleece the stupid.

    Really, all it takes is one or two IQ points above “food goes in here” to figure that out.

  22. #22 MAJeff
    December 4, 2007

    You only have to be smart enough to realise that religion is a scam run by the evil to fleece the stupid.
    Really, all it takes is one or two IQ points above “food goes in here” to figure that out.

    You’re right. Even Homer gets that it’s all a scam.

    Praise Jebus.

  23. #23 Robster, FCD
    December 4, 2007

    OMGWTFBBQ

  24. #24 Jsn
    December 4, 2007

    Amazing, just when I thought they couldn’t find anyone more idiotic than Elizabeth Hasselbeck.
    Sherri’s a big girl (nothing wrong with that) but when she dies, they can give her an enema and bury her in a shoebox…

  25. #25 MAJeff
    December 4, 2007

    So, Sherri thinks that Jesus came to Jerusalem before Noah was born?

    Not only that, she thinks there was a Noah.

  26. #26 That guy who was always on the TV in
    December 4, 2007

    “I’d buy that for a dollar!”

  27. #27 RickD
    December 4, 2007

    I randomly saw a bit of The View yesterday. This woman asserted that she could not picture voting for anybody who was not “a person of faith”. Barbara Walters was trying to push a secular line of logic, Whoopi was baffled, and the other woman was really trying to backpedal away from this line of logic, but nobody really challenged this bigoted notion.

  28. #28 MAJeff
    December 4, 2007

    This woman asserted that she could not picture voting for anybody who was not “a person of faith”.

    Most of the nation couldn’t picture doing such a thing.

  29. #29 truth machine
    December 5, 2007

    Just sayin’

    No one here cares what a moron like you says.

  30. #30 Brain Hertz
    December 5, 2007

    Why does Barbara Walters who presumably is not stupid keep her on? Does it really improve the ratings to have the most ignorant women in America on her panel?

    Well, we all watched it didn’t we?

    In some cases, several times just to make sure we hadn’t misheard it…

  31. #31 Bride of Shrek
    December 5, 2007

    @#72

    Or it could be just you’re placing way too much emphasis on equating a person’s worth to what they earn.

  32. #32 macdhai
    December 5, 2007

    Ummm, CIP, be that as it may…she’s gut wrenchingly, unarguably dumb. There seems to be a recurring theme, you see?

  33. #33 Kseniya
    December 5, 2007

    Until the conditions exist that would allow scientific reason and careers in this field to be rewarded better than pure moronity it might be better if we didn’t act so high and mighty about the matter.

    Uh… what?

    We shouldn’t object UNTIL the problem is solved?

    Well! That’s creative thinking, I’ll grant you that much.

    Are you really arguing that salary of a TV personality strongly corrolates with their intelligence, education, rationality, the correctness of their statements, or their cultural value? Surely not.

    Look. Capitalism is flawed. Huge sums of money get funneled thru the mass media into the pockets of all manner of mediocre talents and celebs. The moronic content of “entertainment” seems to go up every year. Freak shows pay, man, and that’s not exactly news. Owners of big tents have known that for centuries.

    The only way to reverse the trend (if it’s even possible) is to push back against it. The harder the better, if you ask me.

  34. #34 Azkyroth
    December 5, 2007

    No one here cares what a moron like you says.

    truth machine, it seems that you are not only factually correct but your choice of tone is completely appropriate here.

    (Holy shit it felt weird to type that.)

    Carry on.

  35. #35 RascoHeldall
    December 5, 2007

    Nobody in the world could be as stupid as that woman seems and still manage to operate within human society. The Darwin Awards would have claimed her long before adulthood.

    This MUST be a wind-up.

  36. #36 p4limpsest
    December 5, 2007

    @81. Nothing about what you’ve described of your life or career sounds like a miserable failure to me. There are many things that can make us happy in life, and a perfect job and more money are just two of them. And although neither of us can be a scientist, there are people like Dawkins, Greene, PZ, et al out there giving us more knowledge about life, the universe and everything than even some of the most brilliant minds of just a few generations ago had. Buck up, and be happy.

  37. #37 negentropyeater
    December 5, 2007

    It’s the producers of The View who have no sense of responsibility at all. Why do they hire such a person ? Do they get higher ratings for displaying such ignorance ? I guess unless viewers send emails and complain, nothing will change. Well, I guess people get what they deserve.

  38. #38 AllanW
    December 5, 2007

    The producers are probably laughing at the offended ‘intelligensia’ right now. Lets just reiterate once again what they respond to; popularity. They have no interest in being challenging, informative, educational. They can only be popular by keeping to a strict regime of unchallenging, comfortable lowest common denominator fare. The only way to change that? Stop buying the newspapers, stop watching that shit. Eventually, when there is no money in it they have to turn to something else.

  39. #39 Sigmund
    December 5, 2007

    The wierd thing is that The View requiring another host to replace Rosie O’Donnell actually had a choice between Sherri (Praise Jebus!)Shepherd and Kathy (Suck it Jesus) Griffin. Now one of them is funny, intelligent and has a long string of witheringly witty put-downs. The other knows her place and makes Barbara Walters feel superior.

  40. #40 zayzayem
    December 5, 2007

    I can empathise with someone managing to be this ignorant of reality.

    I grew up going to an 7th Day Adv school in rural Aus. We read Bible stories everyday (at least I know its not all boring crap; hooray Sodom & Gomorah, Elijah kicks some ass).

    I don’t think I new what a Jew was until I was about 15 and watched South Park.

    It really wouldn’t be surprising to me that a similar amount of people who believe that God created man and woman personally, think Abraham, Adam, David etc. were CHRISTian, and not the least bit Jewish.

    Remember, it’s religion it doesn’t have to make sense (actually, the less it does, the better, I mean if its so unlikely, it must be even more special, because it happened, it says so in the book, says the book)

  41. #41 JimV
    December 5, 2007

    Christianjb @ #22:

    Why does Barbara Walters who presumably is not stupid keep her on?

    Years ago I saw (I think on Randi’s Nova show) a clip of BW on “20-20″ interviewing Uri Geller and being awed by his mystical powers. There was also a Nova or Frontline exposing the junk science of those who think extreme autistics can use ouija-board devices to communicate with the help of “guides”, which featured a clip of her credulously interviewing the proponents. So I don’t presume she is not stupid, although there could be other explanations (maybe she thinks “stupid” sells).

    (A better commenter would have found links rather than trying to describe the above.)

  42. #42 Kseniya
    December 5, 2007

    Chuck Norris

    STUPID PRICK!

    Oh… sorry, guys. *blush*

    Seriously, though. What a maggot-brained, fascist asshole!

    Sigmund is correct.

    Of course he is! We’re working the same side of the street, though on different blocks: I expect to make at best a modest income (regardless of my educational level) in human services, treating the mentally ill. I only object to the notion that mockery has no place, here. “Lord, make my enemies ridiculous,” and all that jazz. I’m with Sigmund all the way, otherwise. Mockery is one thing, solving a socioeconomic value system problem of which Shepard is a symptom is quite another – though I would point out that internet fora are far better suited to the former. ;-)

    Upon reflection, however, it occurs to me that maybe the system works after all. I’d rather a dim bulb like Shepard be a freak in the freak show than a teacher, a medical researcher, or an ER nurse. As a matter of fact I’d love to see her make a million dollars as the official spokesmumbler for Duct Tape.

    (If it’s all an act, then I’d say to her, “Sistah, put your formidable powers of comedy to more productive use!” Parody that’s indistinguishable from reality is no longer parody, and starts to work against the point of view you wish to promote…)

  43. #43 Boosterz
    December 5, 2007

    This ranks right up there with republican politicians saying, “If English was good enough for Jesus, then it’s good enough for me”

    Or the always popular, “You can’t fool me young man, it’s turtles all the way down!”.

  44. #44 Kristine
    December 5, 2007

    Numad, I see your point. I was afraid that these women were trying to say Adam and Eve were Greeks. (I never watch The View.)

    But does anyone else besides me think that Bride of Shrek has a wonderful idea? Send them to the Creation Museum, so Sherri can repeat her “Christians came first” statement on the air! It would be hilarious. (Maybe she’d notice how white most of the biblical characters are.)

  45. #45 David Marjanovi?, OM
    December 5, 2007

    But just for the record, it’s generally better form to write “pre-dated” for an event which came before another event. I don’t know what the “rules” are for it

    Se-parating pre-fixes with hyphens from the words they are af-fixed to is a very recent af-fliction limited to English. It seems to come from pretending that English had spelling rules: people nowadays often use hyphens in words like “reevaluate” or “coossify” to prevent people from choosing the most common pronunciations of ee and oo.

    To return to the subject… let me echo several preceding comments in invoking Morgan’s Law: a sufficiently advanced parody is indistinguishable from a genuine moron.

    Indeed it is. I hope no one is questioning this?

    Give me ten minutes… er… three or four years with the turtles (and the procolophonids and the pareiasaurs and the placodonts and the lepidosaurs and the whatnots), and I’ll find out.

  46. #46 David Marjanovi?, OM
    December 5, 2007

    But just for the record, it’s generally better form to write “pre-dated” for an event which came before another event. I don’t know what the “rules” are for it

    Se-parating pre-fixes with hyphens from the words they are af-fixed to is a very recent af-fliction limited to English. It seems to come from pretending that English had spelling rules: people nowadays often use hyphens in words like “reevaluate” or “coossify” to prevent people from choosing the most common pronunciations of ee and oo.

    To return to the subject… let me echo several preceding comments in invoking Morgan’s Law: a sufficiently advanced parody is indistinguishable from a genuine moron.

    Indeed it is. I hope no one is questioning this?

    Give me ten minutes… er… three or four years with the turtles (and the procolophonids and the pareiasaurs and the placodonts and the lepidosaurs and the whatnots), and I’ll find out.

  47. #47 CJ
    December 5, 2007

    If there’s no BC from whence did that comic strip come?

    Who’d have thought they could have topped that blond chick for stupidity and yet …

  48. #48 onclepsycho
    December 5, 2007

    How much money does she make? fuck. FUCK.

  49. #49 Julie Stahlhut
    December 5, 2007

    It just goes to show, though, that there is no intelligence minimum for the chattering pundit class.

    What we sorely need here is a glass floor.

  50. #50 Jay Hovah
    December 5, 2007

    She gets to vote and so do her fans.
    Remember that and act accordingly.

    Posted by: Ugly American | December 5, 2007 5:13 AM
    ——————————

    But the authorities frown on putting poison in the water supply…(rimshot).

  51. #51 Stan
    December 5, 2007

    Here’s how her argument is correct–A Christian God created the world. Who cared how long it took–a few billion years probably. Adam and Eve were Christian because they looked forward to the Christ. Moses and all of the prophets in the Old Testament were Christian. In this sense, nothing predates Christians.

    I doubt this is what she meant, but in this sense her statement is accurate.

  52. #52 G
    December 5, 2007

    Of course, TrollBob, nothing pre-dated christians.

  53. #53 MAJeff
    December 5, 2007

    Your showing your ignorance of the Christian religion. She didn’t say “predated Christ” she said “predated Christians”. Based on the bible, which I’m sure few of you have bothered to look at, prophets have been anticipating Christs advent since the time of Adam.
    Bob

    Oh, please tell me this is satire.

    I’m an atheist because of reading the Bible.

  54. #54 Leon
    December 5, 2007

    Wrong on a few counts, Bob.

    1. Adam and his family didn’t anticipate Christ’s coming, nor did Noah’s. None of them said anything (that was recorded in the Bible, anyway) that made any reference to a Messiah.

    2. The OT does prophesy the coming of a Messiah…named Immanuel, not Jesus (Isaiah 7:14). Also, the Messiah was to be a direct descendent of the male line of King David–which, if Mary was a virgin, disqualifies Jesus of Nazareth.

    3. THERE WERE NO CHRISTIANS BEFORE CHRIST. That should go without saying, but apparently it passed you up. Christianity arose as an offshoot of Judaism. By definition, there were no Christians before Christ. Those prophesying the coming of the Messiah were Jews.

  55. #55 MAJeff
    December 5, 2007

    nope, not satire. Bob really is crazy.

  56. #56 G
    December 5, 2007

    negentropyeater,

    Great! Now, how do I get in touch with you without either of us divulging our e-mail when there are trolls about?

  57. #57 Janine
    December 5, 2007

    If you're here to make fun, then jack off.

    Science can show that miracles are possible and God lives. NASA has found that some electromagnetic fields are alive, and British studies show that ~3% of society is electrosensitive.

    Posted by: Bob | December 5, 2007 4:31 PM

    Bob, Bob, Bob… You do not seem to understand, we make fun of belief everyday. That is part of the fun of this place. You are kind of out of place here. If you do not like it here, may I kindly suggest that you jack off.

    Also, none of us here became neither an atheist nor an agnostic because of this silly bit theater. I am sure most look at this as the kind of ignorance that is encouraged by such a narrow view of faith. In other words, for most of the regulars here, Christ and christianity was invalidated long ago.

    I have to ask this, non sequitur much? Are you really saying that some electromagnetic fields are sentient?

  58. #58 Sastra, OM
    December 5, 2007

    Bob #125 wrote:

    Based on the bible, which I’m sure few of you have bothered to look at, prophets have been anticipating Christs advent since the time of Adam.

    This is valuable, because it is quite possible that this is what Sherri Shepard meant to say. It’s still wrong, but not quite as stupid as thinking human history began in the year zero. It’s a different variety of foolishness.

    Bob #129:

    Science can show that miracles are possible and God lives. NASA has found that some electromagnetic fields are alive, and British studies show that ~3% of society is electrosensitive.

    Also valuable, since he seems to be demonstrating a conceptual link between Christianity and some kind of vitalism — and is also directly addressing the question of whether or not science can examine the supernatural. If he’s not actually crazy, this might reveal some interesting connections in the religious mindset.

  59. #59 MAJeff
    December 5, 2007

    Ally,

    A clue: it’s all bullshit.

  60. #60 Janine
    December 5, 2007

    Ally, I prefer the bible in the original klingon. Oh, wait I reject the idea of a deity on principle. No need to read John about Logos.

    Wait, that is a greek word.

  61. #61 True Bob
    December 5, 2007

    Whew, I sure am glad I chose the moniker I did. Bob above, if you spent any time at all here (or just about any other atheist site), you’d know that very many atheists are very knowledgeable about the babble and many other religions as wel. But then I expect you aren’t very curious and won’t take any action that might educate you.

    Ally, if you’d bothered to read the thread, you would’ve seen that you added nothing to the discussion.

  62. #62 gex
    December 5, 2007

    What burns my chaps is that these folks who deride and undermine science and scientists, nonetheless feel free to take advantage of all that science/scientists bring them.

    Television where she and those overpaid athletes make all their money would not be possible without the Bible. Wait, no, that’s not right. That stuff wouldn’t be possible without science.

    I really wish that those who put more stock in their sky fairy than in science would at least live like the Amish. I’m sick of them shitting all over the discipline that makes their swanky, modern life possible in the first place.

  63. #63 Kseniya
    December 5, 2007

    Yup. Reading rants against science and intellectualism posted on the ‘net is… amusing. I might respect a similar rant scribbled with charcoal on a piece of bark and propped up against the front steps of the physics building at MIT, but oddly enough, one never sees that.

  64. #64 Scott Little
    December 5, 2007

    Holy mother shit. My eyes and ears just imploded. I have not been with it, never watch the view, but I can’t believe they have this person on the show for any reason other than comedy…

  65. #65 laticia salomba
    December 5, 2007

    yous are all critikul jus cause she is black. she is the prettiest smartest woman i knows.

  66. #66 Cory
    December 5, 2007

    I’m sorry for this. Please see past her ignorance. There are a lot of people out there, behind every cause, who are ignorant. Read through you newspapers, or flip through your television channels, it is pretty easy to see that the media is pretty dumbed down. A prime example would be Soap Operas, its not adequate to explain it, just observe it. People aren’t interested in using their brains to be more than titillated and entertained by sentimentality.
    I really don’t know how it gets lost in the shuffle, the deeper things within Christianity. There is so much to it that I never see mentioned in the cultural conversation. Its almost like believability is thrown to the wayside for the sake of abridging and streamlining it for the masses.
    I have a sleep disorder, where I am haunted by these entities. I love science, but the answer to everything in medicine is more pills. There are significant issues to be dealt with, that aren’t even addressed by science. Even religion doesn’t touch on many things. I really don’t know why the truth is hidden in books, obscured by translation and language.
    With religion and science, or even politics and self discovery, or sex or art, or anything, I can’t make all the ends meet, I am a limited resource, and its humbling to realize this. It seems apparent enough that there is structure and composure to reality, both revealed within the subjective revelation of my religion, and in what we’ve found in science via quantifiable analysis. The future will scoff at us like we scoff at the past, unless we take it upon ourselves to drop out of that volley, and in humility watch it go by, examining it as it passes.

  67. #67 Xenophile
    December 5, 2007

    Sherri + Glass Floor + Falling Anvil = Entertainment!

  68. #68 Bride of Shrek
    December 5, 2007

    Nah, Danny DeVito in a skirt on a glass floor- THAT would be vulgar!

  69. #69 MAJeff
    December 5, 2007

    Yech, the only way to stomach Sherri Shepherd is to compare her with the other clueless and vapid weirdo they had on the View: Star Parker.

    Don;t forget, Elizabeth Hasselbeck is still there as well. She gives idiocy a bad name, too.

  70. #70 Mirodz
    December 5, 2007

    Unfotunately, her stupidity was put in better use compare to sharp yet stagnant mind like most of us. don’t mid it guys anyway that grape is sour.

  71. #71 truth machine
    December 7, 2007

    “No one here cares what a moron like you says.”

    truth machine, it seems that you are not only factually correct but your choice of tone is completely appropriate here.

    You are such a hypocritical and pompous twit. My choice of tone is — in my judgment, which I credit far more than yours — alway completely appropriate.

  72. #72 truth machine
    December 7, 2007

    Unfotunately, her stupidity was put in better use compare to sharp yet stagnant mind like most of us. don’t mid it guys anyway that grape is sour.

    Sour grapes? That implies that, while we criticize her religion-addled foolishness, we really envy it. I think not. As for stagnant mind, speak for yourself.

  73. #73 Escuerd
    December 7, 2007

    Yeah, the claim that people in the Old Testament who believed in the coming of the Messiah could be classed as “Christians” seems like the only way to change this from being unprecedentedly stupid to typically creationist stupid. Giving her the benefit of the doubt, she’d still be an idiot, just a more typical one.

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