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  1. #1 Hael
    March 28, 2008

    That’s pretty much the greatest thing I’ve ever seen.

  2. #2 Dan
    March 28, 2008

    It’s tough to suss the message, but I’ve got to admit, you’ve got some crazy mad skillz, PZ.

    Word up!

  3. #3 Inoculated Mind
    March 28, 2008

    Damn! How’d you post it before me?

    Spread this thing!

  4. #4 Brian English
    March 28, 2008

    That was sick and very cool. :P

  5. #5 phenohype
    March 28, 2008

    it made my week, that’s for damn sure

  6. #6 SteveC
    March 28, 2008

    Ho Lee Shit. That was amazing.

  7. #7 Justin
    March 28, 2008
  8. #8 Smart_Cookie
    March 28, 2008

    You science types sure must have WICKED parties. Rock on!

  9. #9 Dave Carlson
    March 28, 2008

    LOL. I’m not sure what to make of the message, but that was absolutely hilarious. Who made this?

  10. #10 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    March 28, 2008

    Still laughing uncontrollably when I watch it. I hope my wife appreciates the humor because I’m going to play it for her when she gets home whether she likes it or not.

  11. #11 Chris
    March 28, 2008

    More of that! If there’s one way to overcome creationists, it’s with cool. And this, is cool.

  12. #12 chuck goecke
    March 28, 2008

    I think this is the best thing ever!

  13. #13 Adrienne
    March 28, 2008

    And that little video is more entertaining and smart than “Expelled” could ever hope to be.

  14. #14 taliesin
    March 28, 2008

    Word up!

  15. #15 Chuck Goecke
    March 28, 2008

    And isn’t that Genie hot!

  16. #16 Wiggy
    March 28, 2008

    Best touch: Dan Dennett pimped out in full-brimed pimp hat and robe. Classic!

  17. #17 JRQ
    March 28, 2008

    Now THAT’S framing.

  18. #18 foxfire
    March 28, 2008

    Yay! PZ posted the link – this video is fantastic. I can understand most of the lyrics but not all – does anybody know if the lyrics have been posted anywhere yet?

  19. #19 Inoculated Mind
    March 28, 2008

    Now THAT’S framing.

    20 minutes and the thread is already won? No fair.

  20. #20 Luis
    March 28, 2008

    I’m honestly not quite sure who made that thing. I could swear it could be read slightly more easily as pro-creationist than pro-science.

    Who made that thing?

  21. #21 michael dorian
    March 28, 2008

    Virtual viral genius! I’d never seen Eugenie Scott in a bikini before… And who knew Hitchens was so gangsta?

  22. #22 danley
    March 28, 2008

    Hell yeah baby.

  23. #23 jdb
    March 28, 2008

    Yeah, Pimped Out Dennett pretty much stole that show for me.

  24. #24 michael dorian
    March 28, 2008

    No way–it’s far too smart to be pro-creationism. Whoever made it is on the side of the atheists… thank… something or other.

  25. #25 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    March 28, 2008

    I think Hitchens’ head band and cig is what sealed it for me.

  26. #26 Tracy P. Hamilton
    March 28, 2008

    Love your hat, PZ!

  27. #27 Steve Ulven
    March 28, 2008

    Funny, but we need some pro-science death metal out there. Oh wait, it already is out there, just nobody but death metal fans care (and can understand the lyrics).

  28. #28 michael dorian
    March 28, 2008

    Whoever made that video will probably be working for MTV soon, or for whomever the hell he/she wants to be working for. Maybe some big Hollywood studio. They deserve an Oscar.

  29. #29 SteveC
    March 28, 2008

    The lyrics are a bit suspect and conflicted…

    “Big gadget, this is little tool.”

    “on the shoulders of midgets”

    “… even hate dog too”

    “lost at Scopes, beaten down by the dopes”

  30. #30 Adrienne
    March 28, 2008

    I get the feeling that the video is meant to poke fun at both sides of the evolution/ID debate, albeit I agree with the commenter who said that it seems too clever and hip to be the work of a creationist.

    If it really is the work of the creationist, then he/she/it is vastly more talented and smart than the “Expelled” team. They ought to be jealous.

    I personally loved the line “And if I was dyslexic, I’d even hate Dog too.”

  31. #31 michael dorian
    March 28, 2008

    Yeah. Great line about dyslexia and hating dog. I think rhyming “dollah” and “Allah” is pretty badass, too.

  32. #32 James F
    March 28, 2008

    I think the intro statement is telling: “Reporting idiocy isn’t really squealing”

    Favorite touches: the octopus on PZ’s hat, Darwin raising the roof, and Pimp Dennett going “YEAAAHHHH!”

  33. #33 JRQ
    March 28, 2008

    If I’m hearing the lyrics right, this is a strong pro-science message:

    “You see this battle’s been raging since Zeus was on the Bottle
    between science like Democritus and faith like Aristotle
    who said the mover was movin’ like some magic trick
    but that’s not good logic
    my posse’s too quick
    for this religious schtick.

    ‘Cause science is the only way to know y’all,
    So stand with me y’all
    or you can fall, y’all
    so go ahead and take your pick
    [Genie]: (Yeah tell ‘em dick)
    [Darwin]: because if you don’t know me
    [Dawkins]: You don’t know Dick”

    This is simply not how a creationist would parody the pro-science side. Where are the farting noises?

  34. #34 Adrienne
    March 28, 2008

    Oh yeah, I loved the shower of creationists shooting from the top of the tower too.

  35. #35 SteveC
    March 28, 2008

    > Darwin raising the roof

    yeah, that was really well done, and hilarious.

  36. #36 Adrienne
    March 28, 2008

    OK, has Dawkins seen it yet?

  37. #37 br
    March 28, 2008

    I’m almost positive that the lyricist is MC Paul Barman – the resemblance to his voice and the fact that he works in “Democritus” makes me believe it’s him.

  38. #38 gyokusai
    March 28, 2008

    LOL!!! Can’t tell whether it’s satire or double-satire or mirrored reverse-triple-satire or something, but it’s hilarious! And cleverly done. The beat’s pretty cool—does anyone know where it’s from? Haven’t followed the rap charts for more than a year (a demand from writing my ph.d., actually).

    ^_^J.

    Oh yeah, and Hitch is da shiz, man!

  39. #39 UprightAlice
    March 28, 2008

    Really great video. To me, it doesn’t matter who created it — creationist, evolutionist, other — it is all kinds of awesome. I guess that’s the difference between us and them: we can take a joke.

    But, like many, I’m leaning toward it being from a snarky evolutionist.

  40. #40 gyokusai
    March 28, 2008

    If it really is the work of the creationist, then he/she/it is vastly more talented and smart than the “Expelled” team. They ought to be jealous.

    So true!

    ^_^J.

  41. #41 Patrick
    March 28, 2008

    To steal a popular turn of phrase….the stupid (ly hilarious)…it burns…

    I mean seriously…I was laughing so hard my lungs started burning. Drs. Myers and Dawkins are certainly giving Dre a run for his money here…but it’s Charlie D that’s stealing the show. I think I watched that little bit at the end with him raising the roof a half dozen times.

  42. #42 FutureMD
    March 28, 2008

    Hitchens with a fat J in his mouth = hilarious. My girlfriend was pissed at me for playing this so loud.

  43. #43 Sue Laris
    March 28, 2008

    It’s because of the stupidity of the creationists that a parody like this, like LBS, leaves one wondering at first if it truly IS parody. I wondered myself, until I noticed three things:
    1. The quality of the work was relatively high (except for a talent for blustering, ass-covering and whining craetionists have never shown that they are capable of anything artistic, unless directly aping [heh!] another source.)
    2. It had actual humor (the characterizations were actually funny, while honest laughter is anathema to constipated fundy types the world over)
    3. The “related links” were ALL for Dawkins and other skeptic stuff.

  44. #44 Buzz
    March 28, 2008

    Rivals MC Hawking’s work for greatest song on the internets

  45. #45 James F
    March 28, 2008

    Does anyone know who is supposed to be in the audience at 0:17?

  46. #46 Engineer-Poet
    March 28, 2008

    Have. Not. Laughed. So. Hard. In. MONTHS!

  47. #47 D'oh!
    March 28, 2008

    Ok… What’s up with the $ necklaces that PZ and others are wearing? Any theories? A parody of the Expelled’s Big Science theme?

  48. #48 Kevin
    March 28, 2008

    I’d pay good money to get one of those hats with the squid on it (Hint, hint).

  49. #49 Robyn
    March 28, 2008

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA! That was a-freakin’-mazing.
    Oh man, my head hurts from laughing.

  50. #50 Nic Nicholson
    March 28, 2008

    As I was watching it, I couldn’t decide if I was supposed to like it! What a relief, everyone else likes it too!

    Seemed pretty pro-creationist to me. Procreationist? I’M a procreationist! Well…I like TRYING to procreate…

    But I digress…

  51. #51 Brian Coughlan
    March 28, 2008

    As near as I can tell, all the lyrics and it IS overwhelmingly pro science. Enjoy:-)

    My name is D to the I to C to the K, Yeah I’m the Dickie D,
    I gots my phd and comin’ your way on the youtube to bust your world view
    so just listen to me and don’t you argue.

    You see, this battle’s been ragin’ since Zeus was on the bottle,
    between Science like Democritus and Faith like Aristotle,
    who said the mover wasn’t movin’ like some magic trick but
    that’s no good logic, my posse is far too quick for this
    religious sthick.

    Cos science is the only way to know y’all,
    you stand with me y’all,
    or you can fall y’all so go ahead and take your pick.

    ES: Yeah you tell him Rick …
    Darwin : Cos if you don’t know me …

    RD: YOU DON’T KNOW DICK!!

    Chorus : Yeah he’s the Dick to the Doc to the phd,
    he’s smarter than you he’s got a science degree!
    Yeah he’s the Dick to the Doc to the phd,
    he’s smarter than you he’s got a science degree!

    SH:On the shoulders of midgets we built up this machine,
    DD:YEAH!!!
    RD:Silence that watch… Paley
    Growing stronger and harder almost daily, storming wilber by force as we framed the discourse until the science split in schismatic divorce then Darwin took to the seas to see what no one had seen, and ever since then we’ve been increasingly keen, they may never adore us, but they’ll no longer ignore us, give it to ‘em PZ hit these BLEEP with the chorus!!!

    Chorus : Yeah he’s the Dick to the Doc to the phd,
    he’s smarter than you he’s got a science degree!
    The Dick to the Doc to the phd,
    he’s still smarter than you he studied biology!

    Then there was Darrow dukin’ it out with the straight and the narrow a ragin’ bull in the ring, he did his thing, and took it on the chin like he was bobby de niro.
    We might have lost at Scopes, beaten down by the dopes, and the stooges of popes, but in losin’ we coped, becomin’ more than we hoped, creationists slipped on the soap of their own slippery slope, what was impossible, improbable, is now wholly unstoppable …. the creationst foldup you hate us talking bull, don’t you know that this Dick BLEEP frickin’ unblockable …

    Chorus : Yeah he’s the Dick to the Doc to the phd,
    he’s smarter than you he’s got a science degree!
    The Dick to the Doc to the phd,
    he’s still smarter than you he studied biology!

    Now the machine of our making, sees culture ripe for the taking Cos I’m the rapper thats rappin the …. unlike the Catholic, Muslim or even the Jew, believes that no God but science could ever be true, hell if I was dyslexic I’d even hate “dog” too.

    Time to open your eyes, get yourself wise, the age of science has arised to be religions demise, and while you turkeys all cry, shouting why God oh why, I’ll still be poppin’ my collar earning my dollars in Allah.

    Chorus : Yeah he’s the Dick to the Doc to the phd,
    he’s smarter than you he’s got a science degree!
    The Dick to the Doc to the phd,
    he’s still smarter than you he studied biology!

    Chorus : Yeah he’s the Dick to the Doc to the phd,
    he’s smarter than you he’s got a science degree!
    The Dick to the Doc to the phd,
    he’s still smarter than you he studied biology!

  52. #52 michael dorian
    March 28, 2008

    Python meets Eminem meets Atheism–sheer brilliance! Anyone know who the “creator” is? I’d love to give the person “props” at my blog. (http://nyc-atheists.org/blog/)

  53. #53 SMgr
    March 28, 2008

    My bets are on the Southpark guys. It has all their hallmarks.

  54. #54 michael dorian
    March 29, 2008

    You think? That’s a good guess, but my money’s on someone less “notorious.”

  55. #55 SMgr
    March 29, 2008

    Sure, could be someone who grew up watching them. I’ve done animation and music. A lot of work went into this. There are endless little details that are really finely honed. This is professional, polished, piece.

  56. #56 David Dovey
    March 29, 2008

    “I get the feeling that the video is meant to poke fun at both sides of the evolution/ID debate, albeit I agree with the commenter who said that it seems too clever and hip to be the work of a creationist.”

    Agreed.

    For some reason Sam Harris with “grillz” seems to be do it for me. Not to mention RD before the songs’ movements (hands on hips, thrusting stomach out), and Dawkins “screwing the pooch.” Excellent.

    Although, knowing the quality of the average Youtube comment, I cringe to think what’s being said over on the actual Youtube page.

  57. #57 PaulR
    March 29, 2008

    Well… to whomever made this…

    You are a sick, twisted unholy mother@*#%$-er!!

    Don’t ever change!

  58. #58 foxfire
    March 29, 2008

    @51 – Brian, you wonderful person! Thank you for posting the lyrics. This meme will be in my head for a long time (The Dick to the Doc to the phd…)

  59. #59 Burt Humburg
    March 29, 2008

    I’m guessing JibJab.

    BCH

  60. #60 Engineer-Poet
    March 29, 2008

    The views count on YouTube seems to be stuck at 1066.

    Could YouTube have stuck this video in their “memory hole” to avoid having to acknowledge its popularity?  That and the censorship of anti-jihad videos means it is past time for a competitor to YouTube.

  61. #61 themadlolscientist
    March 29, 2008

    —ROFL—

    No worries, P-Zed – rappers don’t need to be able to sing!

  62. #62 andyo
    March 29, 2008

    Oh, so that’s what rap is for.

  63. #63 freelunch
    March 29, 2008

    It’s a bit in the style of JibJab, but they always sign their work. The poster is randomslice, someone new to YouTube.

  64. #64 ilya
    March 29, 2008

    HiT dEeZ nUtZ wIt Da ChOrUs!

    Yea. It rules.

  65. #65 Dave Carlson
    March 29, 2008

    Does anybody else get a Randy Olson-esque “third way” vibe from the video?

  66. #66 BathTub
    March 29, 2008

    I hadn’t heard of MC Paul Barman before, but a quick look around and he’s certainly a likely candidate. The video itself does look like a Jibjab video, at least a very similar style.

    What’s interesting to me is that it was posted to YouTube (a new dedicated accout), Dailymotion (same new account) and Mininova (a Torrent agregator) almost simultaneously, and it’s also on Kevin Millers Blog.

  67. #67 Jim Battle
    March 29, 2008

    How can any of the posters here think this was anything but anti-creationist, pro-science is beyond me.

    The line “…storming wilber by force” of course, is a reference to William Wilburforce. Brilliant.

    This is the best thing since slice sex. Or something like that.

  68. #68 polypterus
    March 29, 2008
  69. #69 polypterus
    March 29, 2008

    Acutally maybe it’s not.. nevermind.

  70. #70 Will K.
    March 29, 2008

    Oh man, Pimp Dennett made me laugh until I ruptured several things within myself.

  71. #71 CalGeorge
    March 29, 2008

    Instant classic!

    Poor Matt. The Nisbetian dream of limiting the influence of PZ and Richard Dawkins doesn’t seem to be going so well.

  72. #72 Cheezits
    March 29, 2008

    I gave it five stars. :-D

    I saw it linked on Kevin Miller’s blog, but then it disappeared.

  73. #73 October Mermaid
    March 29, 2008

    One of my dreams is to appear in a video like this someday. *Sigh*

  74. #74 danny salamander
    March 29, 2008

    Whoever is responsible for this should take their video editing software, sell it, take the money, buy a dog and shoot the dog.

  75. #75 Robert Maynard
    March 29, 2008

    I know it’s appealing to think that nobody who could produce such an entertaining video could possibly be anything other than “one of us”, but the imagery used in the film and the rap is as follows:
    Scientists have a machine, built over a long period of time, which is programmed to identify and expunge dissidence. It stamps the guys head with “EXPELLED” and tosses him out of the college. The chorus chants an argument from authority without irony, and “Dicky D” continuously speaks condescendingly to listeners who might try and argue with him and challenge naturalism.
    While thick with clever historical references, there is nothing in it that counteracts the explicit imagery that scientific academia is an elitist system which acts with robotic dogmatism to bully and throw out dissidents, imagery which goes hand in hand with Expelled and the Intelligent Design movement.

  76. #76 allonym
    March 29, 2008

    Old Chuck D raisin’ the roof at 3:45 is what put me on the floor. Great post!

  77. #77 BathTub
    March 29, 2008

    The video is still up on Kevin Millers blog. With the use of the Expelled stamp on the forehead I am fairly sure this is an official ‘viral’ video for it.

  78. #78 Robert Maynard
    March 29, 2008

    Of course, whether or not this imagery is being used ironically is a matter of debate.
    Although I chuckle every time I watch it, I’m of the opinion that this is actually a sly pro-intelligent design piece, or at the very least that it has an anti-establishment, (rage) against the machine vibe. :P

  79. #79 Cheezits
    March 29, 2008

    It beat the hell out of that Kent Hovind put-down video that was flagged for violating copyright last year.

  80. #80 Yes
    March 29, 2008

    #75 – Its pop culture entertainment; a joke, but thanks for explaining it to us. Get it?

  81. #81 Che
    March 29, 2008

    I still think it’s a viral video for Expelled that was created by a PR firm, hence the actual humor.

  82. #82 Robert Maynard
    March 29, 2008

    I pretty clearly stated that I found it really entertaining, but I’m puzzled by your insistence that ‘pop culture entertainment’ pieces are just meaningless things that aren’t specifically crafted to communicate ideas.
    At the moment I think the biggest joke is how much we’re willing to believe it’s not actually a dig at us, simply because of how funny and well made it is.

  83. #83 tacitus
    March 29, 2008

    I still think it’s a viral video for Expelled that was created by a PR firm, hence the actual humor.

    Now, wouldn’t that be the ultimate irony? A video meant to mock and ridicule evolutionists becoming a hit with the very same. Talk about missing the mark.

    In any case, if this was a viral video for Expelled, it would be a huge misstep. How many fundies and other ID-sympathizers do you know who appreciate rap music with bleeped out lyrics??

    You’d be lucky if you found enough to need two hands to count them. Not exactly a smart use of marketing dollars.

  84. #84 Dustin, OM
    March 29, 2008

    Pimp Dennett made my brain homunculus laugh until he spewed qualia all over the inside of my skull.

  85. #85 Dustin, OM
    March 29, 2008

    Now, wouldn’t that be the ultimate irony? A video meant to mock and ridicule evolutionists becoming a hit with the very same.

    I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what just happened. The Ass Prod is a giant failure of humanity.

  86. #86 DLC
    March 29, 2008

    Right! e to the MC Squared, Yo.

  87. #87 Rey Fox
    March 29, 2008

    “At the moment I think the biggest joke is how much we’re willing to believe it’s not actually a dig at us”

    It’s not. The wealth of references is far too rich to be the products of one of the blinkered bloviators of the cdesignproponentsist crowd. It would go over the heads of that target audience. This is just an over-the-top parody of the “Big Science” thing that they bandy about. Think about the Evil Atheist Conspiracy, this is the same kind of thing. It’s taking their grandiose statements about what the atheist/evolutionist crowd hides about themselves, which we know to be exaggerations or outright lies, and acting as if they were true and stating them outright to flag up just how absurd their notion of atheism/evolutionism is.

  88. #88 Tyler DiPietro
    March 29, 2008

    While the video is absolutely hilarious, I’m pretty sure it’s a viral video for Expelled (they use their logo, wouldn’t that be a trademark violation otherwise?). Sure, it’ll probably appeal to their target demographic about as much as Slayer, but they haven’t exactly shown themselves to be exemplars of competence…

  89. #89 Rey Fox
    March 29, 2008

    “Pimp Dennett made my brain homunculus laugh until he spewed qualia all over the inside of my skull.”

    TMI, dude!

  90. #90 Nippoless Nippleby
    March 29, 2008

    yeah, I’m pretty much seeing it the way RM does @75, 78

    but I don’t care. If the irony was an unintended consequence in the creative evolution of it, like say, Nipples on those of us with Y chromy’s, then let the muzak play anyway. It still feels good – just like havin nipps. :-))

    -NN,

  91. #91 Hank Fox
    March 29, 2008

    Bazowwie.

    Whoever did this, I want to have your children.

    Well, maybe not ME. But somebody should. We need about ten thousand more of you.

  92. #92 Sue Laris
    March 29, 2008

    Dear Robert Maynard,

    You seem far too serious to be taken at face value. If your posts about this are deadpan humor – some meta-meta-satire – I have now fallen for it , so please say “Gotcha!”

    If not, my many words!

    While I may be wrong about this (I am sometimes wrong when working by inference, which is why I try not to use it much), I find it as unlikely as Dr. Dr. Dembski offering a simple apology, or not welshing on a bet.

  93. #93 catta
    March 29, 2008

    If it’s meant to be insulting, it fails. Far too much fun. :)
    Ditto on the octopus hat. Those need to be mass-produced.

  94. #94 Robert Maynard
    March 29, 2008

    It would be a huge waste of marketing dollars, tacitus, if marketing was only about preaching to the choir, and not attempting to expand your audience demographics with a targeted delivery. There’s a volatile glut of anti-science sentiment amongst humanities departments, and there’s a large audience of young adults schooled in postmodernist rubbish, about epistemological ‘narratives’ as tools of dominance, who could probably be really receptive to this kind of message. We’ve already seen multiple humanities and social science professors coming out in defense of ID because of what they can only perceive as the aggressiveness of scientific hegemony. Don’t think the next generation won’t have some of these same elements.

  95. #95 Infophile
    March 29, 2008

    Actually, I believe there are exceptions to trademark infringement. A couple relevant here are using it for parody and making critical commentary on it. Of course, that doesn’t stop some people from trying to sue…

  96. #96 Robert Maynard
    March 29, 2008

    Sue,
    Why do I seem so serious? I enjoyed it as much as anyone here. I just think the intended message of the video is worth grappling with, in case we are being used to spread a viral message that is not to our benefit. :P

  97. #97 genewitch
    March 29, 2008

    I saw this earlier this afternoon, and it’s obviously a satire. it doesn’t even hide it.

    It’s over the top because it’s intended to be funny. Humor is exaggeration. If this was a rap video bill Nye style, it wouldn’t be as funny. This is good stuff.

  98. #98 genewitch
    March 29, 2008

    If they intended this to be derogatory to the science community, they failed. if they intended this as humor directed at everyone who gets it, they succeeded.

    How many ID/christian sites have linked to this?

  99. #99 Michael X
    March 29, 2008

    Guys, this emphatically is not slick creationist anything. If you’re spending time dissecting each and every possibly metaphor so as to uncover a creationist stunt, you can rest assured that this video was not meant to humor someone of your tastes. Though if it has, all for the better.

    I’m actually impressed that the lyrics are so smart, while being so rhythmically smooth. It’s nice to have someone getting some play who’s a good {Insert creative art here} and happens to be an atheist, than someone who’s an atheist, while only being a mediocre {insert creative art here}. My case in point is christian rock. They’re only known (by anyone) because of the message and not the skill at which they preform (as anyone who’s been subjected to it can tell you).

    That guy ain’t bad at all.

  100. #100 Tyler DiPietro
    March 29, 2008

    @ Robert Maynard, #94

    As much antipathy as I’ll admit to having toward POMO and deconstructionist gibberish in humanities departments, at least in its critique of science, it doesn’t seem as though Expelled will appeal much to them. Most of them are still leftists critical of the hegemony of Christianity on American culture, and thus probably not sympathetic to its message of poor, persecuted white-male Christians. It might explain why only one has made it a particular hobby-horse (Steven Fuller). I’m not aware of any others.

  101. #101 Thomas S. Howard
    March 29, 2008

    Hah! Independent confirmation of my theory as to what really went on at the “Expelling”. I previously advanced this on AtBC:

    PZ wasn’t “hustling and bothering” as Stewie Blesshisheart thought, but he was hustling and flowing. In truth, he wasn’t even there to see the movie at all, but was rather trying to get a demo of his latest jam “It’s Hard Out There For A Shrimp” into the hands of SkinnyBrit, a.k.a HolyGhostFaceKillah, a.k.a. The Muthafuckin’ MCDawk.

  102. #102 Justin H.
    March 29, 2008

    The prelude and the use of the “Expelled” logo convince me that this was made by the creationist side, but I think it backfired. The (apparently ironic) refrain “he’s smarter than you, he’s got a [science degree|PhD]” reminds me of a redneck pastor saying, “don’t let them sciencey types tell you that we evoluted from some rocks and monkeys!”

    Anyway, I thought it was great–as other posters have remarked, the references to people like Democritus are solid, and pretty flattering to our side. Epic fail and whatnot for the creationists, as usual.

  103. #103 Sue Laris
    March 29, 2008

    Last thing I say, since I have now lost respect for a few people here:

    “viral message” = the decade’s [vomits] “paradigm”

  104. #104 Baratos
    March 29, 2008

    “If I was dyslexic, I would hate dogs too” is the best line from that masterpiece.

  105. #105 ennui
    March 29, 2008

    We appreciate your concern. It is noted, and stupid.
    -Rapper Dicky ‘D’

    Should probably have been said directly to Robert Maynard and others who don’t yet get it. Keep watching and listening until you do! Dick to the Doc to the PhD!

    Dustin: My inner homunculus is pondering whether there is a shorter term for ‘meta-double-reverse-Poe’s-law’?

  106. #106 BathTub
    March 29, 2008

    The high res version of this required me to have the like the latest ffdshow and mpc installed, but it was very nice to watch and is a great source of funny images.

    http://homepages.inspire.net.nz/~bathtub/pimpdan.jpg

  107. #107 Dude
    March 29, 2008

    This is absolutely 100% NOT made by creationists or anyone associated with Expelled.

    If you take away the caricature heads you’d see a goofy looking bald guy with some RPGs (rape prevention glasses), and his “rap” has been linked on PZs blog in the past. He is definitely not a creationist or a believer.

    Yo.

  108. #108 Michael X
    March 29, 2008

    People, getting worked up over a stunt that didn’t happen is only going to get you laughed at. You’re giving the other side far more credit than it deserves. The expelled logo is not locked away in a jar that only creationists can open, much like the Harvard video on the inner life of a cell isn’t impenetrable either. You’re depriving yourselves of a good laugh, and giving kudos to the creators of this sharp rap.

  109. #109 Steven
    March 29, 2008

    Mega LuLz

    People are mental.

  110. #110 Michael X
    March 29, 2008

    Dustin

    Is your inner homunculus wishing he had DVR for the projector screen in front of him like mine does? But, as for the homunculus inside that homunculus who’s actually seeing the projector screen my homunculus sees, well, he couldn’t give a rats ass. He prefers indie rock.

  111. #111 allonym
    March 29, 2008

    I’m actually impressed that the lyrics are so smart, while being so rhythmically smooth. It’s nice to have someone getting some play who’s a good {Insert creative art here} and happens to be an atheist…

    Speaking of which (and still in the rap vein), have you ever checked out Greydon Square?

  112. #112 madprophet
    March 29, 2008

    First post by me. I first saw this link on Phil Plait’s site, but have been banned from that site since I suggested Sherri Shepherd should be prevented from breeding more. (might get banned here for the same thing).

    This video is truly a brilliant piece of work. What I like the most is the fact that the creator made it abundantly clear that yes, someone with a degree is indeed smarter than the person without.

    That may be not always true on an individual basis, but is completely true over a large sample size.

    I want to make it clear up front, I believe in evolution, and hold it it in the same regard as the “theory of gravity”. Both have been proven on the macro level beyond any level of doubt.

    But I admit, as much as I wish we had complete understanding of the creation of the universe, that is not true. We have some damn good theories, which we constantly refine, but we don’t know. Physicists have some really solid theories back to about 10 nanonseconds before the Big Bang. But we don’t “know” how the universe started. As I understand it, most of our laws of physics break down in that short interval, just before the Big Bang.

    So maybe, just maybe, the nutso creationists do have a tiny bit, but an important bit, of truth in their faith. (I do indeed differentiate between faith and empirical evidence).

    Consider the universe like a bonfire. 15 billion years ago some power we cannot grasp set fire to some kindling, which erupted into a huge fire (read as Big Bang), which included the creation of life. That power had no idea or control over the direction of evolution that life would take, but had a pretty good idea that life would be created.

    Maybe that is what God is. I could be dead wrong, and physics will indeed finally prove that the universe was created without any supernatural intervention. I would indeed welcome that certainty.

    But until then, I have a small part of of my mind open to the concept that maybe there is some power beyond what we understand that is responsible for the start (just the start) of the universe.

  113. #113 ChrisGose
    March 29, 2008

    A picture of Eugenie Scott ontop of a fat ugly man in a bikini top.

    That is the funniest shit for me in the video.

    This is clearly satire of the Expelled’s claim that scientists are these unstoppable bullies who run the science lab like a street gang.

  114. #114 Michael X
    March 29, 2008

    Allonym….

    *jaw drops* *head nods* YEAH!

    …um, hey… *cool, cool, demeanor resumes* Thanks.

  115. #115 Janine, ID
    March 29, 2008

    The views count on YouTube seems to be stuck at 1066.

    Could YouTube have stuck this video in their “memory hole” to avoid having to acknowledge its popularity? That and the censorship of anti-jihad videos means it is past time for a competitor to YouTube.

    Posted by: Engineer-Poet

    I just checked. It is still at 1066. Funny, that is a rather important year in English history. That was the year William The Bastard invaded and conquered the Anglo-Saxons from Normandy. I wonder if it means anything here?

  116. #116 Dustin, OM
    March 29, 2008

    Is your inner homunculus wishing he had DVR for the projector screen in front of him like mine does?

    No, see: I don’t actually have a Cartesian Theater. I just have a Cartesian Punch and Judy Booth. Sometimes I get Cartesian Bunraku.

  117. #117 H.H.
    March 29, 2008

    Yeah, I’m with #75. This has “Expelled” written all over it. They paid someone a good chunk of change to come up with this “viral” marketing campaign. However, idiots that they are, this too blew up in their faces.

  118. #118 rrt
    March 29, 2008

    I dunno if it’s exactly irony…but the “thing” about this vid is that it transcends the fight while being so deeply rooted in it. It’s hilarious regardless of any side it may or may not pick. I’m with those who think it’s more or less on the evo side, though. I agree, I’ve never seen this level of quality and genuine humor from our friends across the aisle, and I take the lyrics as science-friendly. Wouldn’t be surprised if the creator(s) fancy themselves centrists, but I really don’t care…I just wanna see vid of our real PZ doing those moves!

  119. #119 MC Escher
    March 29, 2008

    The semi-authoritative lyric transcript:

    (my thanks to Brian Coughlan for typing the better part of it out for me this evening)

    My name is D to the I to C to the K, Yeah I’m the Dickie D,
    I gots my PhD and comin’ your way on the Youtube to bust your world view so just listen to me and don’t you argue.

    You see, this battle’s been ragin’ since Zeus was on the bottle,’tween Science like Democritus and Faith like Aristotle,
    who said the mover was unmovin’ like some magic trick but
    that’s no good logic, my posse is far too quick for this
    religious sthick.

    Cos science is the only way to know y’all, you stand with me y’all, or you can fall y’all

    So go ahead and take your pick…

    ES: Yeah you tell him Rick …
    Darwin : Cos if you don’t know me …

    RD: YOU DON’T KNOW DICK!!

    Chorus : Yeah he’s the Dick to the Doc to the PhD,
    he’s smarter than you he’s got a science degree!
    Yeah he’s the Dick to the Doc to the PhD,
    he’s smarter than you he’s got a science degree!

    SH:On the shoulders of midgets we built up this machine,
    DD:YEAH!!!

    RD: Science silenced that watchdog wingnut Paley
    growing stronger and harder almost daily, storming Wilber by force as we framed the discourse that faith and science are split in schismatic divorce.

    Then Darwin took to the seas to see what no one had seen, and ever since then we’ve been increasingly keen, they may never adore us, but they’ll no longer ignore us,

    give it to ‘em PZ hit these BLEEP with the chorus!!!

    Chorus : Yeah he’s the Dick to the Doc to the PhD,
    he’s smarter than you he’s got a science degree!
    The Dick to the Doc to the PhD,
    he’s still smarter than you he studied biology!

    Then there was Darrow dukin’ it out with the straight and the narrow,
    a ragin’ bull in the ring, he did his thing, and took it on the chin like he was Bobby De Niro.

    We might have lost at Scopes, beaten down by the dopes, and the stooges of popes, but in losin’ we coped, becomin’ more than we hoped, creationists slipped on the soap of their own slippery slope.

    What was impossible, improbable, is now wholly unstoppable untoppleable, the Dick Doc’ll roll up as you creationists foldup

    you haters talkin’ bull,
    don’t you know that this Dick is un-cock-frickin’ blockable …

    Chorus : Yeah he’s the Dick to the Doc to the phd,
    he’s smarter than you he’s got a science degree!
    The Dick to the Doc to the phd,
    he’s still smarter than you he studied biology!

    Now the machine of our making, sees culture ripe for the taking,

    Cos I’m the rappinest, rabidest atheist who unlike the Catholic, Muslim or even the Jew, believes that no God but science could ever be true, hell if I was dyslexic I’d even hate “dog” too.

    Time to open your eyes, get yourself wise, the age of science will rise to be religion’s demise,

    and while you churchies all cry, shouting ‘why God oh why,’ I’ll still be poppin’ my collar earning my dollars in Allah.

    Hollah!

    Chorus : Yeah he’s the Dick to the Doc to the phd,
    he’s smarter than you he’s got a science degree!
    The Dick to the Doc to the phd,
    he’s still smarter than you he studied biology!

    Chorus : Yeah he’s the Dick to the Doc to the phd,
    he’s smarter than you he’s got a science degree!
    The Dick to the Doc to the phd,
    he’s still smarter than you he studied biology!

  120. #120 Sue Laris
    March 29, 2008

    Is it that late in the States? Is everyone with a brain watching “Monster Chiller Horror Theatre”?
    When self-admitted crazies like madprophet (anyone who takes about time BEFORE the Big Bang needs to at least check out Wikipedia or be willing to get graded by TimeCube units) and dullwits (unnamed) dominate the boards it’s time for me to say goodbye, lest their ugly rub off onto my pretty.

  121. #121 Damian
    March 29, 2008

    At the beginning of the video it says: “Reporting idiocy isn’t really squealing”. It is so obviously satire based on the claims of Expelled and other anti-reality groups.

    Also, notice that PZ has a picture of a squid on his hat!

    I am downloading it so that I can extract images of PZ and Dickie D holding their crotch.

  122. #122 Michael X
    March 29, 2008

    A Cartesian Punch an Judy Booth!? That beats the hell outta my Cartesian finger puppets. So much more… historical.

  123. #123 Thomas S. Howard
    March 29, 2008

    Is it just me, or did the sound of the Great Machine activating come from Robocop 2?

  124. #124 James
    March 29, 2008

    This video is obviously pro-science. That’s clear from the lyrics and overall “feel”. They’re exaggerating the claims of Expelled to a humorous level.

    By Occam’s Razor, this video is much more likely to be what it appears, rather than some clever reverse twisted creationist meta-satire.

  125. #125 David
    March 29, 2008

    Listen again. Look out for “Is this on”.

    Then go to the start of the Lynchburg VA vid, and then the questions with the moron mocking it trying to get a rise.

    Great reference, I liked it.

  126. #126 Chris
    March 29, 2008

    @119: The lyrics are:
    “I’ll still be poppin’ my collar earning MORE dollars THAN Allah.”

    I just hope whoever produced this video produces more.

  127. #127 C. L. Hanson
    March 29, 2008

    Too funny!!!

    I opened up this post for my 6-year-old this morning (since he likes the science blog videos), and the first thing he said was “Look, a gavial!” (in the masthead). I hadn’t even noticed, so he went on to point out the shape of the snout, etc.

    (As for the video, I think the song went over Nico’s head, but he liked the part where the machine grabbed the guy and threw him.)

    I just put up a new post about one of Pharyngula’s youngest fans and the fun science he’s learned: Me, my kids, and “teach the controversy”.

  128. #128 kathryn in california
    March 29, 2008

    MC Escher:

    Thanks for writing it up. I think there’s a couple of changes needed:

    Religious schtick in “that’s no good logic, my posse is far too quick for this religious sthick.”

    and
    Dollars per Hour in “my collar earning my dollars in Allah.”

  129. #129 Viscount
    March 29, 2008

    Chorus : Yeah he’s the Dick to the Doc to the phd,

    I think it’s “Dick to the Dawk to the PhD,” which is even better!

  130. #130 Oliver
    March 29, 2008

    I’m almost 100% sure we’ll find this is from the South Park boys. They tend to take the piss out of all sides and the head on the body thing is their trademark. Also, the production values of this are such that only someone with a lot of resources and experience can produce it. It’s clearly a professional production. I love the squid on PZ’s hat.
    Overall this is amazing..

  131. #131 Michael X
    March 29, 2008

    Oliver,
    I can do this on one mac.
    South Park is not involved in this.

    And hey, I love the squid too.

  132. #132 HadasS
    March 29, 2008

    “The line “…storming wilber by force” of course, is a reference to William Wilberforce. Brilliant.”

    Actually, I think it’s a reference to his son, Sam Wilberforce

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Wilberforce

    He lost that legendary debate with Huxley, back in 1860.

  133. #133 Zarquon
    March 29, 2008

    A squid hat would be a great thing to wear to a showing of Expelled. Also a great gift for Squidmas.

  134. #134 Yes
    March 29, 2008

    Reply to #82
    “I pretty clearly stated that I found it really entertaining, but I’m puzzled by your insistence that ‘pop culture entertainment’ pieces are just meaningless things that aren’t specifically crafted to communicate ideas.”

    If it is specifically crafted to communicate ideas, those ideas aren’t clear anyway. It would have to be read symbolically… oh, you are right religious people use symbols all the time… just kidding so do chemists. <–That was a joke, poor or not.

    “At the moment I think the biggest joke is how much we’re willing to believe it’s not actually a dig at us, simply because of how funny and well made it is.”

    If that is true, it doesn’t matter it is still funny/entertaining. They won! We laughed. They are still wrong about the other things though. Also, if it really is a poorly crafted dig at us we have you working out the mistakes and we can expose it like the robots… uhm clear thinkers we are.

    Cheers

  135. #135 catta
    March 29, 2008

    Funny, that is a rather important year in English history. That was the year William The Bastard invaded and conquered the Anglo-Saxons from Normandy. I wonder if it means anything here?

    I dunno, does either side have a large contingency of longbowmen at their disposal? This could be fun…

  136. #136 Pieter Kok
    March 29, 2008

    Anybody who thinks this is not a satire of Expelled and their recent PR debacle needs to grow an irony gland.

  137. #137 386sx
    March 29, 2008

    I’m almost 100% sure we’ll find this is from the South Park boys.

    I don’t think the South Park boys would censor any language out of their video!

    I would bet it’s from the Expelled people, what with the Darwinian gadget thingy grabbing the creationist scientist (who didn’t explain what the “something else going on” was) and expelling him and all that.

  138. #138 386sx
    March 29, 2008

    Anybody who thinks this is not a satire of Expelled and their recent PR debacle needs to grow an irony gland.

    Dude you’re the one who is da irony deficient if you don’t thinks it was from the Expelled crew yo!

  139. #139 MC Escher
    March 29, 2008

    @ Chris and Kathryn re: the lyrics.

    You are both right! Appreciate the correction.
    The line ought to read,
    ‘I’ll still be popping my collar earning more dollars than Allah’

    ‘Shtick’ should be sans ‘c’.

    And it should read Dawk, not Doc.

    Ah, but it is late and many moons have past!
    Good thing I titled it the semi-authoritative version.

  140. #140 Thomas S. Howard
    March 29, 2008

    386, no. While it certainly does get in some digs at scientists, this is obviously a caricature of what the ID people and their hangers-on think “Big Science” is. I’m thinking that maybe part of not taking credit yet is the hope that a bunch of IDists get all giddy about it only to discover later that, “Nope, sorry. You’re just being mocked again.” It just seems to me that someone who’s clever enough to put in all these little details has obviously been paying attention and would surely know that the pro-(real)science types aren’t going to start frothing at the mouth and demanding blood because their “idols” have been desecrated.

  141. #141 David
    March 29, 2008

    Would Expelled refer to Creationism, really? Thought it was Intelligent Design.

  142. #142 Michael X
    March 29, 2008

    Oy, I give up. Yes, everyone. It was creationists. They hide under your bed and make rap videos that seem like they should be cool but really arn’t! So clever they are… Just think how sharp a movie made by them would be if they could be so stealthy with a single rap video. I quake and tremble…

  143. #143 JCE
    March 29, 2008

    This was catchy, detailed (loved PZs cepahlopod beret), had no Ben Stein knee action that I saw and far too clever to be from the same minds as you-know-what. Am still laughing. If it mocked everyone so be it – it was certainly an unequal mocking and well worth it! :P

  144. #144 386sx
    March 29, 2008

    386, no. While it certainly does get in some digs at scientists, this is obviously a caricature of what the ID people and their hangers-on think “Big Science” is.

    Okay you guys are probably right. :D It’s too good and they metion creationism by name. Creationists wouldn’t do that.

  145. #145 Thomas S. Howard
    March 29, 2008

    catta:

    I dunno, does either side have a large contingency of longbowmen at their disposal? This could be fun…

    Wrong battle. You’re thinking of Agincourt in 1415. St. Crispin’s Day and all that. 1066 was Hastings, which was the big comeback of the crossbow and also marked the start of the dominance of heavy cavalry in English warfare, i.e. knights. Agincourt, which brought the longbow to bear so effectively, was one of the first clear signs of heavy cavalry’s eventual demise. Kind of ironic that Normans invading England from France really helped to kick off the era of knights in shining armor as popularly understood, and then a bunch of English under the command of William’s descendant invade France and make a huge contribution to the process of rendering them obsolete. Yay History!

  146. #146 Josh
    March 29, 2008

    #115: “I wonder if it means anything here”? Here in the U.S.? Yeh, it’s known as the year William the Conqueror invaded England and put a bunch of French-derived words into our language.

  147. #147 David
    March 29, 2008

    On a third listen I’m reminded of Goldie Lookin’ Chain.

  148. #148 tektone
    March 29, 2008

    Fan- fucking – tastic!!!

  149. #149 Daoud
    March 29, 2008

    It’s “D” to the “DAWK” to the the phd.

    It’s not by Ben Stein you idiots.

    And a high def torrent-version can be gotten here:

    http://www.mininova.org/tor/1278276

  150. #150 Thomas S. Howard
    March 29, 2008

    Thanks, Daoud. I was looking for that after someone mentioned it earlier. Are you the one responsible for this work of mad(skillz) genius?

  151. #151 Lago
    March 29, 2008

    “””The line “…storming wilber by force” of course, is a reference to William Wilberforce. Brilliant.”
    Actually, I think it’s a reference to his son, Sam Wilberforce
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Wilberforce
    He lost that legendary debate with Huxley, back in 1860.””

    There is really no sign he lost that debate. He was wrong yes, but much of the evidence showed he did very well against Huxley. It was that debate that turned Huxley around and made him realize he had to learn the art of debate and command it, hence “Darwin’s Bulldog.”

  152. #152 HadasS
    March 29, 2008

    “There is really no sign he lost that debate. He was wrong yes, but much of the evidence showed he did very well against Huxley. It was that debate that turned Huxley around and made him realize he had to learn the art of debate and command it, hence “Darwin’s Bulldog.””

    I’m pretty sure that at least the late Steven Gould claimed Wilberforce lost the debate, but it could be just his opinion.

  153. #153 booboo
    March 29, 2008

    It’s pretty clearly a pro-Expelled video, folks.

  154. #154 Lago
    March 29, 2008

    No, Gould claimed the popular idea that Wilberforce lost the debate was wrong…

  155. #155 Lago
    March 29, 2008

    “It’s pretty clearly a pro-Expelled video, folks.”

    Did you actually listen to the lyrics? Seems rather pro science actually, and says things that are not in-line with most creationists, especially ID people…

  156. #156 Thomas S. Howard
    March 29, 2008

    It’s kind of odd it hasn’t shown up on Uncommon Descent, even in a comment, at least not that I can find. I haven’t scanned any other cdesign sites yet.

  157. #157 HadasS
    March 29, 2008

    “No, Gould claimed the popular idea that Wilberforce lost the debate was wrong…”

    I’ll take your word for it, Lago, but I still say the video reference was for Sam Wilberforce, not his father.

  158. #158 Daoud
    March 29, 2008

    @150

    Tom I didn’t make the video but the theme seems fairly obvious. Listen with your eyes closed if you are having trouble with the words.

    I got the torrent from a poster on Dawkins forum. I agree with him that the the most contraversial aspect of the video, the machine, simply represents the “scientific method”.

    Very witty and creative.

    Props to whoever made it!

  159. #159 Lago
    March 29, 2008

    “I’ll take your word for it, Lago, but I still say the video reference was for Sam Wilberforce, not his father.”

    The video clearly shows “Soapy Sam”

  160. #160 Thomas S. Howard
    March 29, 2008

    Lago, quite. For example, it actually contains the word creationist. I don’t think dedicated IDists could bring themselves to use their version of the c-word. Big Tent and all that, but they really get touchy when anyone dares to associate ID with creationism.

  161. #161 Lago
    March 29, 2008

    “Lago, quite. For example, it actually contains the word creationist. I don’t think dedicated IDists could bring themselves to use their version of the c-word. Big Tent and all that, but they really get touchy when anyone dares to associate ID with creationism.”

    Yes, that is extremely strong evidence that this is not from the Expelled people, at least not directly…

  162. #162 Physis
    March 29, 2008

    Also, that isn’t the official Expelled logo that is stamped on the guy’s head; of course, a viral video might not use an official logo, but still.

  163. #163 Thomas S. Howard
    March 29, 2008

    Plus, there’s the “creationists slipped on the soap of their own slippery slope” line which clinches the Soapy Sam ID, pretty much.

  164. #164 Carlie
    March 29, 2008

    MC Escher, is your moniker from Weird Al?

    I love it. I’m pretty sure the machine is based on the one from The Incredibles. And it doesn’t really matter what “side” made it. I think it’s pro-science, but if it wasn’t, that’s even better, because backfiring makes it even more funny.
    Scientist: That’s hilarious!
    Cdesign proponentist: Yeah! Wait, I was trying to make fun of you.
    Scientist: I know! It’s great! It’s so funny!
    Cdesign proponentist:No, you weren’t supposed to think it was funny.
    Scientist: Why not? Isn’t it funny?
    Cdesign proponentist: Yeah, but not to you. It’s supposed to make you mad.
    Scientist: But I’m smarter than you, I’ve got a Ph.D! Woo! That’s good stuff!
    Cdesign proponentist: *sputters*

  165. #165 Thomas S. Howard
    March 29, 2008

    Oh noes! We’re all making DESIGN INFERENCES. Stop right now everybody. Darwinism depends on your restraint.

  166. #166 Lago
    March 29, 2008

    “Plus, there’s the “creationists slipped on the soap of their own slippery slope” line which clinches the Soapy Sam ID, pretty much.””

    The “slippery slope” also is often used for a response to people using the, God of the gaps” argument. As, over time, more and more things get answered, God slips down the slope…

  167. #167 Why
    March 29, 2008

    Detailed explanation of a joke kills it.

  168. #168 henwli
    March 29, 2008

    Absolutely fantastic video. This song will inhabit my iTunes “All Time Greats playlist” for some time to come. A million thanks for the torrent link, Daoud. Low-res doesn’t do justice to Genie’s bodacious bod.

    @tacitus #83

    Now, wouldn’t that be the ultimate irony? A video meant to mock and ridicule evolutionists becoming a hit with the very same. Talk about missing the mark.

    Been there, done that. I made a quick “Way of the Master radio” remix (music only) some time ago, in an attempt to parody Todd Friel’s arguments against evolution. And dontchaknow, someone pasted my track into a video promoting creationism. Of course, they edited it a bit to better suit their purposes (i.e. removed the punchline).

  169. #169 Tom H
    March 29, 2008

    Was I the only one that understood the machine they created to be Science?

  170. #170 Thomas S. Howard
    March 29, 2008

    Yes, Tom. Yes you were

  171. #171 Thomas S. Howard
    March 29, 2008

    Why:

    Detailed explanation of a joke kills it.

    /me watches clip again.

    Nope. Still fucking hilarious.

  172. #172 Scott Campbell
    March 29, 2008

    Between yesterday’s phone call episode and this video, my weekend is off to the most amazing start.

    Hilarious.

  173. #173 Reginald Selkirk
    March 29, 2008

    Oh sure, it’s got PYGMYS, but what about the DWARFS?

  174. #174 Why
    March 29, 2008

    Kills it from the tellers point of view.

  175. #175 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    March 29, 2008

    Lago, quite. For example, it actually contains the word creationist. I don’t think dedicated IDists could bring themselves to use their version of the c-word. Big Tent and all that, but they really get touchy when anyone dares to associate ID with creationism.

    I think that pretty strong evidence right there.

    Although ID isn’t about god and look at all the god talk bouncing around their echo chamber right now.

  176. #176 catta
    March 29, 2008

    @Thomas, you’re right of course. :) I think I got mixed up because of the shot-in-the-eye legend. And I really should know better. *sigh* Quote from Harold: “I’ve got to keep an eye out for William”…

  177. #177 Adrienne
    March 29, 2008

    Notice the line about “framing the discourse.”

  178. #178 I don't get it?
    March 29, 2008

    I don’t get it? Could someone please explain it to me?
    Thanks

  179. #179 JRQ
    March 29, 2008

    The IDiots are not responsible for this.

    Remember, if this was made by the expelled/DI/creationism folks, it would be the FIRST TIME EVER they put this level of effort into something for which the intended audience was a bunch of science-literates.

    There is just not enough overlap between those segments of the population who would get the jokes in this video, and those to whom IDiot PR is invariably directed.

  180. #180 Peter Lund
    March 29, 2008

    The machine looks like one of Agatha Clay’s little helpers, only megasized. Those who made this are definitely on the right side.

  181. #181 speedwell
    March 29, 2008

    Peter Lund, great catch on the Girl Genius reference, w00t!

    For the rest of you who are missing out: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php

  182. #182 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 29, 2008

    It’s a bit in the style of JibJab, but they always sign their work.

    What about the two scientists with the fake beards near the start? Aren’t those the exact beards of Jib and Jab?

    I’m almost 100% sure we’ll find this is from the South Park boys. They tend to take the piss out of all sides and the head on the body thing is their trademark.

    I can’t see piss taken on the Four Horsemen here — it’s all obvious parody. Concerning the rest of the second sentence, have you never been to http://www.jibjab.com?

    I don’t think the South Park boys would censor any language out of their video!

    Good point.

    ————–

    While thick with clever historical references, there is nothing in it that counteracts the explicit imagery that scientific academia is an elitist system which acts with robotic dogmatism to bully and throw out dissidents, imagery which goes hand in hand with Expelled and the Intelligent Design movement.

    It makes fun of “the explicit imagery that scientific academia is an elitist system which acts with robotic dogmatism to bully and throw out dissidents, imagery which goes hand in hand with Expelled and the Intelligent Design movement”.

    If there are any cdesign proponentsists that are capable of “mirrored reverse-triple-satire”, why is Expelled such crap?

    And even without this argument, the parody is obvious. “Sure we kick little puppies — we’re whatever threatens you!” It’s way over the top, with the university expelling people in lab coats like a geyser, and all the Democritus and Wilberfore references just don’t make sense if it isn’t satire.

    While the video is absolutely hilarious, I’m pretty sure it’s a viral video for Expelled [...]. Sure, it’ll probably appeal to their target demographic about as much as Slayer, but they haven’t exactly shown themselves to be exemplars of competence…

    I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what just happened. The Ass Prod is a giant failure of humanity.

    Yeah, I’m with #75. This has “Expelled” written all over it. They paid someone a good chunk of change to come up with this “viral” marketing campaign. However, idiots that they are, this too blew up in their faces.

    This is the Argument from Infinite Incompetence, frankly. You cannot be a meta-idiot — if you’re an idiot, it shows!

    ———

    I take it “raising the roof” is some kind of fixed phrase? What does it mean?

  183. #183 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 29, 2008

    It’s a bit in the style of JibJab, but they always sign their work.

    What about the two scientists with the fake beards near the start? Aren’t those the exact beards of Jib and Jab?

    I’m almost 100% sure we’ll find this is from the South Park boys. They tend to take the piss out of all sides and the head on the body thing is their trademark.

    I can’t see piss taken on the Four Horsemen here — it’s all obvious parody. Concerning the rest of the second sentence, have you never been to http://www.jibjab.com?

    I don’t think the South Park boys would censor any language out of their video!

    Good point.

    ————–

    While thick with clever historical references, there is nothing in it that counteracts the explicit imagery that scientific academia is an elitist system which acts with robotic dogmatism to bully and throw out dissidents, imagery which goes hand in hand with Expelled and the Intelligent Design movement.

    It makes fun of “the explicit imagery that scientific academia is an elitist system which acts with robotic dogmatism to bully and throw out dissidents, imagery which goes hand in hand with Expelled and the Intelligent Design movement”.

    If there are any cdesign proponentsists that are capable of “mirrored reverse-triple-satire”, why is Expelled such crap?

    And even without this argument, the parody is obvious. “Sure we kick little puppies — we’re whatever threatens you!” It’s way over the top, with the university expelling people in lab coats like a geyser, and all the Democritus and Wilberfore references just don’t make sense if it isn’t satire.

    While the video is absolutely hilarious, I’m pretty sure it’s a viral video for Expelled [...]. Sure, it’ll probably appeal to their target demographic about as much as Slayer, but they haven’t exactly shown themselves to be exemplars of competence…

    I’m pretty sure that’s exactly what just happened. The Ass Prod is a giant failure of humanity.

    Yeah, I’m with #75. This has “Expelled” written all over it. They paid someone a good chunk of change to come up with this “viral” marketing campaign. However, idiots that they are, this too blew up in their faces.

    This is the Argument from Infinite Incompetence, frankly. You cannot be a meta-idiot — if you’re an idiot, it shows!

    ———

    I take it “raising the roof” is some kind of fixed phrase? What does it mean?

  184. #184 Mark
    March 29, 2008

    Isn’t that B. Stein himself whapping Paley at 2:00?

  185. #185 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 29, 2008

    I don’t get it? Could someone please explain it to me?

    What exactly don’t you get?

  186. #186 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 29, 2008

    I don’t get it? Could someone please explain it to me?

    What exactly don’t you get?

  187. #187 I don't get it?
    March 29, 2008

    The joke. Why is it funny? Or is it not funny, but serious?
    Thanks

  188. #188 Dutch Delight
    March 29, 2008

    Ok, just watched again, I missed the analogy of the machine the first time around i guess, it just seems to represent a mechanism to uphold the philosophy of science.

    I’m skeptical anyone at the expelled production offices would have signed this off as a viral. It’s hard to know their intellectual capabilities though, they might just have been to stupid to get the references.

  189. #189 Jack Rawlinson
    March 29, 2008

    Hilarious. I’m baffled by the people here who think for one second this is anything but pro-science and anti-IDiot. The whole bit with the machine ruthlessly expelling ID-ers is clearly an OTT send-up of the “Expelled” paranoia. And the lyrics… totally pro-science, delivered with the characteristic dick-waving arrogance of the musical genre. Come on. No way is this pro-ID or pro-Expelled.

  190. #190 Cheezits
    March 29, 2008

    Way to overanalyze, guys. :-D

    I’m just jealous because the little twerp has been on Youtube for one day and already has 20 subscribers. By the end of the day, this video will have more views than all of mine combined. *sulk*

  191. #191 ice9
    March 29, 2008

    Not infringement to use the logo (if they did.) Fair comment, no worries.

    As the tradition of satire goes, this is ambiguous. Few satirists can resist slipping their real purpose into plain view at one point or another (see “open letter” spaghetti monster; even “Modest Proposal” tips its cards clearly). That’s how you make sure your effort goes in the right column. Given the narrow mindedness of the ID/Creationist audience, I’d say if it’s satire it is weak on the audience evaluation. In this case, whoever gets it best may be the target of the message, but if the supposed beneficiaries of the message can’t own it because they can’t understand it or are repelled by its mode or language then the argument is ineffective. It’s not enough to score a point; you have to know you’ve scored a point, and most of the people who favor “Expelled” would be mystified by the medium, annoyed and confused by the cultural references, and offended by the ambiguity.

    I think it’s an entertainment. It feels to me like a celebration of complexity (irreducible or not.) The process of understanding the video is in itself scientific.

    The style may be South Park, but it’s Terry Gilliam first. The video draws heavily on his Python and earlier work in visual form, animation, and in the glorious obscurity and smooth perfection of the allusions. (of course, so does much of today’s work, and the tools we have also lean us that way.) MC on the stage, curtain layers, audience reaction shot, things crashing through walls, complicated machinery (definitely from The Incredibles), stream-of-consciousness shifts, interior-exterior movements of POV, full production-number framework, and more.
    It’s pure fanzine speculation of the Brittany Spears vintage, but what are blogs for if not for taking absurd longshots under an alias? Gilliam did it. He’s bored because his current project is on hold because Heath Ledger died, and because Gilliam hates Ben Stein, and because as a child he Gilliam was taunted by Creationists and later was insulted by his PhD advisor at UC Pomona. (I made the last three pieces of evidence up. If Mathis can do it, so can I.)

    ice

  192. #192 G-Unit
    March 29, 2008

    ^^^ Thats what they want you to believe. As a Christian it is clear to me Dawkins is only saying the stuff he says for money. Look at the $ necklace. The message is clear, you wish technology (the machine) to “get rid of” decent Christians. You can hide it under a joke or even say Christians did it, but it is clear it is anti-Christian.
    G-Unit

  193. #193 Reginald Selkirk
    March 29, 2008

    Whoever made this may not have a lot of friends. The “backup vocals” are the very same voice as the lead, although the visual is of PZ rather than Dicky D.

  194. #194 Laser Potato
    March 29, 2008

    Shorter G-Unit: everything is an anti-Christian conspiracy, including donuts. ESPECIALLY donuts.

  195. #195 Dude
    March 29, 2008

    The second funniest thing about this video…

    All the people here who think it is some creationist creation!

    Seriously, you guys/gals are crackin me up!

  196. #196 JRQ
    March 29, 2008

    Re: “Whoever made this may not have a lot of friends”

    Judging by the 190+ comments here, he may have just made a few.

  197. #197 RedMann
    March 29, 2008

    When Dawkins kicked the dog, I immediately thought of ole Slimy Sal’s remark about Darwin and puppies.

  198. #198 n3rdchik
    March 29, 2008

    Ok – so I have a 3 year old running around singing “I ‘marter dan uooooooo, I gots a science degwee!!!!”
    Regardless of the intent – This morning I have been able to talk about the meaning of a PhD and confirm that both dancing robots and scientists are very cool. :-)

  199. #199 ice9
    March 29, 2008

    I would have paid for this if somebody had asked.

    Wasn’t the machine in The Incredibles part of some kind of artificial selection process, and Mr. I was coopted to participate in the process…and eventually the machine went for its creator? Can I get credit for a valid observation?

    ice

  200. #200 freelunch
    March 29, 2008

    The views are now at 12,718, so the counter appears to be working better, now.

    The high res version is worth getting, but still doesn’t offer any specific clues about the origin. When we find out who did it, I’m sure we’ll be able to go back and find the clues.

  201. #201 Muzz
    March 29, 2008

    Hi all. One of the new adherents here.

    I think this thing has been too long in the works for it to be a directly related, but it seems obviously in the same spirit as the article likening PZ Myers to Elvis. Here instead Dawkins is Eminem (and using all the knotty parodies and meanings he’s noted for). First comes the spooky gag with the machine, as the stuffy overbearing and slightly scary version that ‘Expelled’ would have you believe. Then the real story of science and scientists as hip outsider and streetfighter who won’t be denied, dissing anyone and everyone that stood in his way.
    I think who ever did it is having a poke at the whole situation, including Dawkins’ reputation for seeming arrogant and abrasive. But they’re coming from the science side of things and their conclusion is clear; Expelled and things like it are inadvertently making rock stars out of scientists.
    Quite a turn up, science being rock n’ roll or hip hop don’t you think? But hey, it tells it like it is, bothers mothers, fathers, conservatives and the establishment, calls daughters away from homemaking and motherhood where they belong. Works for me.

  202. #202 G-Unit
    March 29, 2008

    Didn’t know about the donuts. Thanks Laser Potato.

    Ice: God will credit you for your observation.

    G-Unit

  203. #203 gyokusai
    March 29, 2008

    Another minuscule amendmend to the lyrics:

    Time to open your eyes, get yourself wise, the age of science will rise to be religion’s demise

    should read:

    Time to open your eyes, get yourself wise, the age of science has arised to be religion’s demise

    Cheers,
    ^_^J.

  204. #204 Wesley R. Elsberry
    March 29, 2008

    “No, Gould claimed the popular idea that Wilberforce lost the debate was wrong…”

    IIRC, Gould’s analysis was that at the time, people did think that Wilberforce lost the debate, but they didn’t think that Huxley’s response was the critical one, but rather that of (again, IIRC) Hooker.

  205. #205 freelunch
    March 29, 2008

    David Marjanovi? asked:

    “I take it “raising the roof” is some kind of fixed phrase? What does it mean?

    It’s the palms to the ceiling, pushing up motion that is being done in the last few seconds. It’s an unsubtle request for louder audience reaction.

  206. #206 gyokusai
    March 29, 2008

    “amendment,” arrgh! Am I getting dxsleyic here? Beware of the god!

    ^_^J.

  207. #207 Puddock
    March 29, 2008

    FAB!! Nothing more to say, just FAB!!

  208. #208 Andrew
    March 29, 2008

    If that was double sarcasm it failed something fierce because it didn’t make creationists look stupid at all.

    It did make scientists look pompous and arrogant though.

    Gotta give the person props for making a funny video either way.

  209. #209 Thomas S. Howard
    March 29, 2008

    Speaking of kicking the dog, that’s long been a cheap way to impute evilness:

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/KickTheDog

  210. #210 gyokusai
    March 29, 2008

    No, again. What was I hearing!

    Make that:

    “The age of SCIENCES’ll arise!

    °_°J.

  211. #211 Danny Schade
    March 29, 2008

    Shouldn’t it be “Dick to the DAWK” instead of “Dick to the DOC”? I guess they both work. DOC to the PHD just seems redundant. :)

  212. #212 Rick
    March 29, 2008

    Sycophantic.

  213. #213 gyokusai
    March 29, 2008

    Danny Schadesez:

    Shouldn’t it be “Dick to the DAWK” instead of “Dick to the DOC”? I guess they both work. DOC to the PHD just seems redundant. :)

    Has been pointed out (see #129, #139), and it’s already sort of official, I guess! :-)

    ^_^J.

  214. #214 Bee
    March 29, 2008

    Srsly funny!

    PZed, you do attract a few anal overanalyzers.

  215. #215 Hank Fox
    March 29, 2008

    Can’t be by IDiots.

    The limit on their sense of humor is set permanently to “Droll.”

    “Screamingly Funny” is waaay beyond them.

    They also find creativity difficult. If they were insulting Dawkins and PZ, they’d come up with some sort of embarrassingly childish stick-figure caricatures. These were COOL. Dawkins as a chill, sexy rapper? No IDer would do that.

    Any part of it that seems to be referentially negative towards science is just balls-out gangsta pride IN science, with a few left-handed in-yo’-face bitch slaps thrown to Ben Stein’s Short-Bus Posse just to show them how much we’re not afraid of their silly shit.

    And I thought the New York Dolls’ Dance Like a Monkeyvideo was the coolest ever.

  216. #216 Beth
    March 29, 2008

    OMFG that was all sorts of awesome.

  217. #217 Logicel
    March 29, 2008

    Fortunately, there is less Dennett (clearly Dennett has missed his real vocation) than Dawkins or else I would be engulfed in hysterical laughter and unable to pick out a few finer points in re-watching the vid.

    The dollar signs hanging around the necks of all the rapsters is a cleverly relevant device to point out that bling is proof of success. Money is viewed in America as a positive item. Science mints the coin for the masses while religion mints it for a few. The predominance of dollar signs though out the vid, and especially strapped around the Science Machine (scientific method has provided so much for humanity) just drives this reality straight home. Science is Success and expressed via a symbol to which many, especially Americans, can relate.

    At the same time, this device cuts through the hypocritical relationship religions shared with wealth–wealth is for the religion big whigs and their sponsors, for the masses it is only spiritual ‘wealth’ that is encouraged.

    Until the makers identify from what angle they made this vid, it is useless to guess at that said angle. However, it quite revealing that the dollar sign aspect is seen by some as being negative. Oh, right–nobody wants money and the better standard of living it provides.

  218. #218 Citizen Z
    March 29, 2008

    Sign that it was made by the creationists/Expelled crew:

    Lyrics.
    Looks like it cost money to make.

    Sign that it was not by the Expelled crew:

    Whoever made the video knows what Richard Dawkins looks like.

  219. #219 MartinM
    March 29, 2008

    They also find creativity difficult.

    Oh, I don’t know about that. It would be rather hard to come up with, say, the ‘dancing Greenland’ hypothesis without creativity. What they find difficult is using their creativity in ways that aren’t utterly ridiculous.

  220. #220 Dutch Delight
    March 29, 2008

    I don’t see how anyone is over analyzing, it’s fun, interesting and educational to hunt in packs for all the symbolism in a short movie like this.

    Like any good piece of, dare i say, art, the motivation of the person who made it is nice to know, but doesn’t necessarily reflect the interpretations of the audience.

  221. #221 Blake Stacey
    March 29, 2008

    ice9:

    Wasn’t the machine in The Incredibles part of some kind of artificial selection process, and Mr. I was coopted to participate in the process…and eventually the machine went for its creator? Can I get credit for a valid observation?

    Yep, I think so.

  222. #222 Peter Ashby
    March 29, 2008

    @Thomas, you are right about the longbow not featuring at Hastings, but dead wrong about it featuring the crossbow. The crossbow is LATE medieval, really just before firearms appeared and around the time of the reformation. The pope excomunicated those who used them as it allowed any mean commoner to kill his betters. Of course that didn’t bother the protestants one little bit and handing your opponents an advantage was not a good idea so it went west. Those who were fastidious about it hired Swiss mercenaries to use them for them. William Tell’s Daddy almost certainly would have used one if the tale is true.

  223. #223 tsiatko
    March 29, 2008

    Since we don’t have a clear explaination of who created the video, the answer must be obvious, God.

  224. #224 Johannes
    March 29, 2008

    @ 182
    I’ll put my money on JibJab too. (or a JibJab ripoff – the lack of hallmark IS weird)
    It’s right down their lane both visually and in the aspect not taking a definite stand in the conflict they satirize.

  225. #225 C. L. Hanson
    March 29, 2008

    Are all the bodies the same person? This thing is too hilarious — I have to admit I can’t stop watching it. My little Leo likes it too.

  226. #226 ice9
    March 29, 2008

    re gunit: “Ice: God will credit you for your observation.”

    Glad on’t but I took that for granted–fall of the sparrow, all that. Now if PZ credits me…

    By the way among my high school video students the parody rap video is the highest accolade, and the iconography and subtle parsing of their parody is completely consistent with our reaction to this one. If the video were aimed at sophisticated and thoughtful young suburbanites 15-20 it would (in my view) be clearly pro-science in the detached ironic generation Y or KY or whatever we’re calling them now. They’d get it; I teach some kids who could do it, at least technically.

    ice

  227. #227 Hairhead
    March 29, 2008

    Jesus! (;-/) I cannot believe there is even a debate about what side this video is on. On every level, lyrically and visually, the video puts down creationism, supports methodological science, and most importantly, *assumes cultural sophistication and confidence on the part of those portions/persons of the science establishment they gently tweak*. Tell me, who’s more insulted about being portrayed as a rapper: Myers or Dennett?

    And, yeah, it’s very sophisticated and hysterically funny, particularly for well-educated people with a sense of irony who are not afraid to laugh at themselves (and that excludes the creationists automatically).

    Kudos to the Unknown Creator.

    Could this be a manifestation of the divine FSM? !!!

  228. #228 Thanny
    March 29, 2008

    The video is definitely not pro-IDiocy.

    The machine is definitely not from “The Incredibles”.

    The eye is reminiscent of HAL 9000, but it’s not an image from 2001 or 2010.

    Both the eye and the sphere itself look very familiar to me, but I can’t place them.

    I hope it doesn’t take too long for the creator to surface and explain some of the details.

  229. #229 C. L. Hanson
    March 29, 2008

    This whole: “He’s smarter than you, he’s got a science degree” reminds me of “Dr. Science” when I was a kid: “He knows more than you do, he’s got a Master’s degree — in Science!”

  230. #230 June
    March 29, 2008

    #120: … maybe there is some power beyond what we understand that is responsible for the start (just the start) of the universe.

    How about a universe that cycles forever between Big Bang and Big Stretch?

  231. #231 June
    March 29, 2008

    Correction: That referred to MadProphet at #112.

  232. #232 Nullifidian
    March 29, 2008

    Sign that it was not by the Expelled crew:

    Whoever made the video knows what Richard Dawkins looks like.

    Citizen Z FTW!

  233. #233 alex fairchld
    March 29, 2008

    People, come on – it is OBVIOUSLY a viral marketing piece for the Expelled film.

    - the timing
    - the anonymous nature
    - ‘Expelled’ logo prominently featured within 1 minute

    granted it’s a little ambiguous in content, but that’s exactly what these viral campaigns are all about. keep you guessing, but you still talk about the issue/product.

  234. #234 Nullifidian
    March 29, 2008

    People, come on – it is OBVIOUSLY a viral marketing piece for the Expelled film.

    Okay, so it’s a viral marketing piece for Expelled.

    In that case, it’s a viral marketing piece which parodies the central theme in Expelled, establishes a false idea about the production values of Expelled, and is going to attract an audience, if it attracts an audience at all, which is looking for a humourous take only to find some ham-handed and lugubrious sermonizing, while putting off an audience of genuine holy rollers with bleeped out lyrics and employment of popular music, rather than “worship songs”.

    If it is supposed to be viral marketing for the film, then I think Mark Mathis, Kevin Miller, and the rest of the Expelled crew deserve a big group hug.

    (Let’s see what Mooney and Nisbet make of that statement.)

  235. #235 madprophet
    March 29, 2008

    Reply to June:
    #120: … maybe there is some power beyond what we understand that is responsible for the start (just the start) of the universe.

    “How about a universe that cycles forever between Big Bang and Big Stretch?”

    Completely possible.

    The problem is we simply don’t KNOW. An example: We all accept gravity’s constant values, and we are extremely confident that those values are indeed constant throughout the universe. But we don’t KNOW how gravity really works. The guys at CERN are hoping to get a little closer to the truth, but nobody YET has any certainty why mass attracts mass. The last thing I am saying that gravity exists because God made it so. That is just nuts.

    But what I am saying is we simply don’t know how the Big Bang occurred. Until we figure that out with certainty, I think all theories have to be treated with some modicum of respect.

    Like I alluded to in my last post, the results and effects of evolution are as indisputable as the results and effects of gravity. But my question is simply, “what started the whole thing off?” Until that is answered, I cannot completely discount a theory of a higher power starting the whole damn thing off. I am not talking about some Judeo-Christian concept of a benevolent parent-like god that watches over your every move. That is just plain nuts.

    But bottom line for me, if energy cannot be created or destroyed, where did the universe’s energy come from in the first place?

  236. #236 Matt
    March 29, 2008

    @77 and others using this argument:

    The actual “Expelled” logo has a spray-painted “X” that is not present in the version used in the video. It is close to the original, but not the same. I don’t think there is any copyright infringement going on, so it doesn’t have to be used with permission.

  237. #237 Julie K
    March 29, 2008

    This is far too funny and clever to be the work of IDots/creationists. I can’t see them giving PZ a squid hat.

    (Oh yeah, I want one of those squid hats.)

  238. #238 CortxVortx
    March 29, 2008

    Re: #181

    Peter Lund, great catch on the Girl Genius reference, w00t!

    For the rest of you who are missing out: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php

    Is that … ?

    [squints]

    It is! She has trilobite berets!

    My kind of woman!

    I have been missing out. Thanks!

  239. #239 MartinM
    March 29, 2008

    But bottom line for me, if energy cannot be created or destroyed, where did the universe’s energy come from in the first place?

    The question is invalid, on multiple levels. Firstly, because it assumes that the Universe’s energy was not always around, and secondly, because there exists no global principle of mass-energy conservation in general relativity. We have no overwhelming reason to suppose that mass-energy is conserved on the grand scale, and even if we did, we have no reason to suppose that this is any kind of problem for any modern cosmological models.

  240. #240 alex fairchild
    March 29, 2008

    But my question is simply, “what started the whole thing off?” Until that is answered, I cannot completely discount a theory of a higher power starting the whole damn thing off.

    [blinks]

    umm… ok, don’t. But seriously, you are just about as atheist as one can get. Of course no one knows what happened before space time, the question is meaningless (so those physicists assure me, and they’ve got PhDs).

    You wanna call it ‘higher power’? go ahead! but if you then also believe that this power has no longer ANY effect on the current universe – then you my friend are an atheist.

    so…. enjoy the blog! i hope you care for tentacles a great deal, cause you’re gonna see a lot of ‘em.

  241. #241 lolocaust denier
    March 29, 2008

    The #1 sign it’s not promoting Expelled: there’s not a single mention of Nazi Germany.

    I had other observations but it’s just beating a dead horse now. I think the tone of the piece really favours the scientists, but clearly the general response shows that that’s subjective.

  242. #242 Dutch Delight
    March 29, 2008

    You should wonder whether there is any actual energy in the universe at all. I’ve understood that it might be the case that the total energy in the univery is 0 and all the forces and matter in the universe cancel each other out in the end.

  243. #243 MC Escher
    March 29, 2008

    a somewhat uncensored version:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtySkUo-PhU

  244. #244 MC Escher
    March 29, 2008

    woah.. Youtube pulled the video already!?

  245. #245 Ian
    March 29, 2008

    Come on, people, Ben Stein clearly had nothing to do with this. His ego is far too large to even consider marketing his movie in a way that doesn’t even include him.

  246. #246 Ian
    March 29, 2008

    #235: “This is far too funny and clever to be the work of IDots/creationists. I can’t see them giving PZ a squid hat.”

    Exactly! The squid hat can be nothing but a subtle compliment to PZ. The Expelled crowd simply wouldn’t do that.

  247. #247 Ian
    March 29, 2008

    #180: “The machine looks like one of Agatha Clay’s little helpers, only megasized.”

    I thought it looked familiar! I’m just ashamed I didn’t notice it myself.

  248. #248 Jeb, FCD
    March 29, 2008

    Which one of you guys knows Eminem? How did y’all get him to do that?

  249. #249 Rey Fox
    March 29, 2008

    “Okay, so it’s a viral marketing piece for Expelled.”

    “In that case, it’s a viral marketing piece which parodies the central theme in Expelled, establishes a false idea about the production values of Expelled, and is going to attract an audience, if it attracts an audience at all, which is looking for a humourous take only to find some ham-handed and lugubrious sermonizing, while putting off an audience of genuine holy rollers with bleeped out lyrics and employment of popular music, rather than “worship songs”.”

    In addition, it features the visages of several people who aren’t going to be recognized by anyone outside the evolution-creationism blogosphere and probably not by very many people INSIDE the ID audience (Eugenie Scott, Clarence Darrow, Daniel Dennett, PZ Myers). Most people would see this video and wonder “Who are all the bearded guys?”

    I don’t know much about “viral marketing”, but this video does not seem very catching to a wide audience.

  250. #250 blf
    March 29, 2008

    woah.. Youtube pulled the video already!? [refering to "a somewhat uncensored version"]

    Hard to say. It’s saying (emphasis added) “This video has been removed by the user.”

  251. #251 Dustin
    March 29, 2008

    woah.. Youtube pulled the video already!?

    Does anyone know why ThinkerHA’s account was shut down?

  252. #252 Hank Fox
    March 29, 2008

    It never gets old.

  253. #253 Paha Arkkitehti
    March 29, 2008

    Hank,

    I am wondering if it ever does – just can’t stop laughing at it. How sad it is that I did dl the hires-torrent, made it to my iPod and actually went to jogging with the vid in repeat. o_O

  254. #254 gyokusai
    March 29, 2008

    What are y’all talking about? The video’s up & running on youtube!

    Just went a sec for the bathroom, maybe.

    ^_^J.

  255. #255 Brownian, OM
    March 29, 2008

    If memory serves, I believe cdesign proponentsists’ disdain for art has already been established. Further, as there appears to be no evidence of plagiarism, it is this court’s opinion that the video is a parody of cdesign proponentsist claims.

    Thus to approximate the mental anguish inflicted on the defendants by concern trolling, I sentence the plaintiffs to 2.8 Tc.

    Judgment for the defendants.

    You may all be interviewed by Doug Llewelyn now.

  256. #256 Brownian, OM
    March 29, 2008

    It appears that a mix-up in the evidence room caused an incorrect link to appear in the comment above.

    The sentence should have read: If memory serves, I believe cdesign proponentsists’ disdain for art has already been established.

  257. #257 kathryn in california
    March 29, 2008

    Question: who are the scientists in the short film 30 seconds in?

    The scientist “little tool”–take away almost all of his mustache, remove the sideburn (triangle), and flip the picture. With that sweep of black hair he looks like a historic figure.

  258. #258 blf
    March 29, 2008

    A similar question about the audience shown gasping when Teh Machine is unveiled? Does anyone recognize any of them?

    gyokusai, the missing video a different one, see MC Escher@241.

  259. #259 Ferrous Patella
    March 29, 2008

    The “scientist” thrown out the window was named Bill. No sweater thought.

  260. #260 MAJeff, OM
    March 29, 2008

    Hitch really should have had a 40 instead of blunt.

  261. #261 nowoo
    March 29, 2008

    Did anyone else notice the Wilhelm scream at 1:39 as Aristotle falls down the well?

  262. #262 Pieter Kok
    March 29, 2008

    WRT the removed version: MC Escher (#241) said it was less censored. Perhaps the user thought it better to release only the censored version and pulled the original himself. That would be consistent with the YouTube message “removed by the user”.

  263. #263 June
    March 29, 2008

    MadProphet: Thanks for your thoughtful reply.

    You [#112] contemplate a power that created our universe. I [#228] propose that our universe always existed.

    Your concept requires a power that is able to control all of the energy of our universe and is able to plan/design/create all of its processes and mechanisms and contingencies for billions of years. My plan requires only what we already have in our universe.

    You would need to explain how your power was itself created (Sagan’s regression). I require no creator at all.

    If you were to propose that “something started the whole thing off”, I would simply deny that, with Occam’s Razor on my side.

  264. #264 MAJeff, OM
    March 29, 2008

    I just noticed it, and it has me laughing HARD–but did anyone else see Harris’s grill?

  265. #265 JCE
    March 29, 2008

    I see some of the irony meters are still in need of recalibration after last week. Is it pro-creationist? Is it anti-creationist? TEACH THE (non-existent) CONTROVERSY!

    This is OBVIOUSLY a viral marketing campaign…

    …for squid berets. It’s working. I want one, Julie K (#235) wants one and there are probably many people who still haven’t come out of the closet or even admitted to themselves that they want one. So – any ideas on how to get our collective tentacles on some hats?

  266. #266 Sastra
    March 29, 2008

    I love this video — and thanks to the folks who went through and did the translation. There are a lot of “in” jokes I missed the first time. And so many sly references that it’s clear this was done by someone following the issue very well.

    To be honest, I’m not entirely sure if it’s meant to be a creationist satire of Dawkins/Darwinism, or an evolutionist satire of what creationists think of Dawkins/Darwinism. Remember, the clip of the PZ Myers interview in the movie had a lot of us wondering what the big deal was — he said that religion was just fine as a hobby: that’s not offensive. And yet the audience gasped. Reciting the phrase “he’s smarter than you, he’s got a science degree” could, in theory, be their attempt to push the anti-establishment button for Christian teens, on the assumption that they’ll automatically scorn an “educated person” who lacks the wisdom to know God — or think he knows more than what their God-given common sense can figure out without the book-larnin’..

    Still, if I had to guess, I’d agree with the majority and say that it’s coming from the pro-science side (the robot, btw, clearly represent mechanistic science.) If it was coming from the EXpelled side, it would be filled with everyone applauding rows and rows of goose-stepping Nazis. I find it very unlikely that someone who had something to do with the movie would make no references to Hitler at all, considering that they constantly shove in clips throughout. It was their big climactic point. I saw nada nazis.

    I’d also agree with the majority and say that I wouldn’t care even if it was a pro-creationism video anyway. It’s funny. I’ll forgive almost anything if it’s funny ;)

  267. #267 MAJeff, OM
    March 29, 2008

    So – any ideas on how to get our collective tentacles on some hats?

    Create a design and put it on cafepress.

    On the other hand, isn’t PZ working on a book (I seem to recall a post about this). Remember how Borders (I think) in the UK was putting godless christmas cards (or something similar) in The God Delusion? OK, I may be off on details, but wouldn’t squid hats make an awesome product tie-in to that book?

  268. #268 MAJeff, OM
    March 29, 2008

    To be honest, I’m not entirely sure if it’s meant to be a creationist satire of Dawkins/Darwinism, or an evolutionist satire of what creationists think of Dawkins/Darwinism.

    Hold on, hold on. You mean texts don’t have inherent meaning, but are open to interpretation? Don’t tell the lit crit folks–they’ll assume they were right.

  269. #269 theorist
    March 29, 2008

    Conspiracy theory:

    What if “they” made the video slightly ambiguous on purpose. Then we all start making comments about how great we think it is. THEN the “originators” are revealed… THE DISCOVERY INSTITUTE. They post all our praise on their website, and include at the end of the Expelled movie.

    I’m worried. In any case, the video is pretty effin funny.

  270. #270 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 29, 2008

    It’s the palms to the ceiling, pushing up motion that is being done in the last few seconds. It’s an unsubtle request for louder audience reaction.

    Ah. Like a shield saying “APPLAUSE”. I see, thanks. :-) Fits the rest of the parody. :-)

    And I thought the New York Dolls’ “Dance Like a Monkey” video was the coolest ever.

    “This video is not available in your country.” WTF? I’m in France. ~:-|

    Sign that it was not by the Expelled crew:

    Whoever made the video knows what Richard Dawkins looks like.

    ROTFLMAO!!!

    It’s right down their lane both visually and in the aspect not taking a definite stand in the conflict they satirize.

    It does take a definite stand: it makes fun of the idea the makers of Expelled! have of science by exaggerating it into the ridiculous (those big dollar necklaces, for example — way over the top) — and so do JibJab videos. Have you watched those on Fearless Flightsuit, like the year reviews of 2O5 and 2O6 and “the world is nuckin’ futs”? (W: “Ah’llllliminate the taxes…” People in super-stretch limo sticking their fists out: “…tha’r breakin’ ah-r backses!”)

    Thus to approximate the mental anguish inflicted on the defendants by concern trolling, I sentence the plaintiffs to 2.8 Tc.

    How does that work?

    Did anyone else notice the Wilhelm scream at 1:39 as Aristotle falls down the well?

    Link doesn’t work.

    I see some of the irony meters are still in need of recalibration after last week. Is it pro-creationist? Is it anti-creationist? TEACH THE (non-existent) CONTROVERSY!

    LOL!

    This is OBVIOUSLY a viral marketing campaign…

    …for squid berets. It’s working.

    ROTFL!

  271. #271 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 29, 2008

    It’s the palms to the ceiling, pushing up motion that is being done in the last few seconds. It’s an unsubtle request for louder audience reaction.

    Ah. Like a shield saying “APPLAUSE”. I see, thanks. :-) Fits the rest of the parody. :-)

    And I thought the New York Dolls’ “Dance Like a Monkey” video was the coolest ever.

    “This video is not available in your country.” WTF? I’m in France. ~:-|

    Sign that it was not by the Expelled crew:

    Whoever made the video knows what Richard Dawkins looks like.

    ROTFLMAO!!!

    It’s right down their lane both visually and in the aspect not taking a definite stand in the conflict they satirize.

    It does take a definite stand: it makes fun of the idea the makers of Expelled! have of science by exaggerating it into the ridiculous (those big dollar necklaces, for example — way over the top) — and so do JibJab videos. Have you watched those on Fearless Flightsuit, like the year reviews of 2O5 and 2O6 and “the world is nuckin’ futs”? (W: “Ah’llllliminate the taxes…” People in super-stretch limo sticking their fists out: “…tha’r breakin’ ah-r backses!”)

    Thus to approximate the mental anguish inflicted on the defendants by concern trolling, I sentence the plaintiffs to 2.8 Tc.

    How does that work?

    Did anyone else notice the Wilhelm scream at 1:39 as Aristotle falls down the well?

    Link doesn’t work.

    I see some of the irony meters are still in need of recalibration after last week. Is it pro-creationist? Is it anti-creationist? TEACH THE (non-existent) CONTROVERSY!

    LOL!

    This is OBVIOUSLY a viral marketing campaign…

    …for squid berets. It’s working.

    ROTFL!

  272. #272 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 29, 2008

    What if “they” made the video slightly ambiguous on purpose.

    It isn’t ambiguous, for crying out loud! It uses the Colbert approach: “This administration isn’t sinking, this administration is soaring! If anything, they’re rearranging deck chairs on the Hindenburg!!!”

  273. #273 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 29, 2008

    What if “they” made the video slightly ambiguous on purpose.

    It isn’t ambiguous, for crying out loud! It uses the Colbert approach: “This administration isn’t sinking, this administration is soaring! If anything, they’re rearranging deck chairs on the Hindenburg!!!”

  274. #274 Thanny
    March 29, 2008

    #183:

    The guy hitting Paley is David Hume. Yet more evidence (as if it’s needed) that the creator couldn’t be a creationist.

  275. #275 freelunch
    March 29, 2008

    theorist worried:

    They post all our praise on their website, and include at the end of the Expelled movie.

    No danger. Dembski and his co-conspirators are neither informed enough nor sufficiently infused with humor to pull it off. However sly they think they are, I do not credit them with the ability or desire to make themselves a laughingstock so they can fake us out with brilliant marketing for a really bad movie.

  276. #276 CalGeorge
    March 29, 2008

    I see no ambiguity whatsoever.

    There’s the money worship at the end – and Darwin tries to object – but it’s just more of the in-your-face approach this video gloriously, thankfully champions.

    Dicky D and PZ! Wooooooo!

  277. #277 CalGeorge
    March 29, 2008

    What is happening to Darwin on the boat? I don’t get that bit. His face changes and then…?

  278. #278 Julie K
    March 29, 2008

    #273 – He throws up. Darwin was terribly sea-sick during his voyage.

  279. #279 CalGeorge
    March 29, 2008

    Everyone should go to YouTube, click on “Watch this video in higher quality” and watch full screen. Great!

  280. #280 Physicalist
    March 29, 2008

    Besides, who cares if it was made by a creationist? It’s funny. But it’s going to take a lot more than funny to transform ID into science. (I reckon it would take a miracle, now that I think about it . . .)

  281. #281 nowoo
    March 29, 2008

    Did anyone else notice the Wilhelm scream at 1:39 as Aristotle falls down the well?

    Link doesn’t work.

    Hmmm. Wilhelm scream. There, that’s better.

  282. #282 MAJeff, OM
    March 29, 2008

    Everyone should go to YouTube, click on “Watch this video in higher quality” and watch full screen. Great!

    Agreed. That’s how I noticed Harris’s grill.

    I’ve been returning to the video and giggling all day long.

  283. #283 Thanny
    March 29, 2008

    Forget the “high” quality on YouTube. Do what others have suggested, and get the high quality version here:

    http://www.mininova.org/tor/1278276

    Learn how BitTorrent works if you must – it’s worth it. The file is standard HDTV resolution (1280×720), and looks good even playing fullscreen on my 30″ monitor.

  284. #284 gyokusai
    March 29, 2008

    Thanks blf, I was wondering!

    Umh, MAJeff

    Hold on, hold on. You mean texts don’t have inherent meaning, but are open to interpretation? Don’t tell the lit crit folks–they’ll assume they were right.

    — that’d be the lit crit folks from the “New Critics” circle who started out in the 1930/40s and died out in the 60s! All serious lit crit theories and practices from then on do not assume that texts have fixed meanings. (One of these more modern theories, I have to admit, is the so-called and rather famous “Reader-Response Criticism” which was established by, among others, goofball Stanley Fish (not to be confused with other goofball, the NY Times blogger/lawyer Stanley Fish who recently specialized in Christian apologetics). But that isn’t the only reason I never got warm with Reader-Response theory. Luckily, it’s not the only one out there!

  285. #285 gyokusai
    March 29, 2008

    MAJeff never mind, the very second I hit the “post” button I realized I got your remark backward.

    LOL!!!

    ^_^J.

  286. #286 Wrought
    March 29, 2008

    Everything’s been said, but I couldn’t resist a comment on this brilliant, brilliant piece of parody.

    Of course it’s pro-science. The lyrics are clear on this.
    It sends up the religious by playing on their fears.

    The evil glint in Dawkins’ eye is just brilliant. How it will convince the religious that they’re right, and all they feared is coming true!

    They’ll HATE that we LOVE this. They’ll see all those dollar signs and KNOW this is EVIL and the work of the DEVIL. They’ll say “see how those atheists worship MONEY? Even they should recoil in FEAR at this imagery!” They just won’t get the JOKE at all.

    (The video is so damn funny I’m capitalising words to express my joy.)

    Hurrah! How can we make more people watch this? :)

  287. #287 Russell Blackford
    March 29, 2008

    Actually, gvkousai, it’s the same Stanley Fish – or maybe you know that and were joking? I hope I’ve cleared it up for anyone who took you seriously.

    And I’m rather surprised to hear that the New Critics believed anything as crude as that texts have fixed meanings.

    The New Criticism was a lot more sophisticated than that, and dificult to explain in a brief blog comment, but its main point was that literary texts are rife with ambiguity and various kinds of irony. Meaning can’t be read off them in some transparent way and cannot be equated with authorial intention.

    What might be said, I suppose, is that the New Critics were more optimistic about nailing down the ambiguities than some of the folks (most spectacularly the Yale deconstructionists) who came after them, though I’m not at all sure they were wrong about this. Literary texts are, indeed, ambiguous … but in practice they are not infinitely ambiguous because interpretation is always constrained by conventions for their interpretation (and they are usually written by people who have internalised those conventions). Actually, I don’t think Fish would deny that much, in fact much of his work is designed to make that point. However, he’d probably want to say that these conventions are ultimately arbitrary, or something of the sort. There could then be an argument with him about what this really means, etc., etc.

    The Yale deconstructionists obtained some of their most bizarre effects by deliberately reading texts in ways that did not use the conventions of interpretation that we usually employ (tacitly or explicitly), e.g. they would sometimes interpret texts by digging back into the etymologies of words to find meanings that would be “dead” as possibilities for most people … probably including the authors. Such techniques produced some bravura performances, but I think it was a dead-end for trying to understand how meaning is actually created by language.

  288. #288 Lago
    March 29, 2008

    I had someone that produces rap stuff listen to the video and he said it was almost certainly Jamie Kennedy from Malibu’s Most wanted

  289. #289 JW
    March 29, 2008

    Folks, I think this IS a viral video for Expelled. The only source for the video seems to be this “randomslice” user on YouTube, who created an account on 28 March and has no other videos. Wouldn’t you expect somebody who spent a lot of time and effort into making such a (now much-praised) video to take credit for it? Where’s the original web site? There is none. There is no source. Why would they hide? Because it’s Premise Media.

    Like lonelygirl and magibon, and many other examples, when a weird person/group or video/series comes out of nowhere, it’s usually viral/marketing in nature.

  290. #290 Torbjörn Larsson, OM
    March 29, 2008

    Oh my dog, that kicks ass! Someone must have studied biology!

    I had a hard time stopping ROTFL. And just thinking how that creationist frame of a machine of science must clash with their frame of a machine in the cell is throwing me in into another fit – it is truly a COG DISS machine.

    Let’s hear it for The DICK to the DAWK to the PhD!!!

  291. #291 Torbjörn Larsson, OM
    March 29, 2008

    Oh my dog, that kicks ass! Someone must have studied biology!

    I had a hard time stopping ROTFL. And just thinking how that creationist frame of a machine of science must clash with their frame of a machine in the cell is throwing me in into another fit – it is truly a COG DISS machine.

    Let’s hear it for The DICK to the DAWK to the PhD!!!

  292. #292 TAW
    March 29, 2008

    For anyone who isn’t sure of the entire cast (though I’m guessing everyone here will be), I’ve compiled a quick list of the Dawkins posse.

  293. #293 Lago
    March 29, 2008

    “Folks, I think this IS a viral video for Expelled. ”

    There is nothing about this video that resembles the Expelled, or ID peoples position. It backs science at every corner despite what you see at a glance…

    Again, I am going with Jamie Kennedy right now as the possible rapper..

  294. #294 trimtab
    March 29, 2008

    I took the second complete lyrics I found in the comments, and brought minor corrections and layout changes, while integrating other people’s corrections.

    Changed the “Yeah” in the chorus to “Yo”, that’s what I hear.

    I stand by “the age of sciences will rise to be religion’s demise”, again, that’s what I hear.

    —————————
    Beware the Believers

    Hello, is this on?
    Can I get some more hydrogen in my test tube, please?

    My name is D to the I to C to the K,
    yeah I’m the Dickie D, I gots my PhD
    and comin’ your way on the Youtube, to bust your world view,
    so just listen to me and don’t you argue.

    You see, this battle’s been ragin’ since Zeus was on the bottle,
    ‘tween Science like Democritus and Faith like Aristotle,?
    who said the mover was unmovin’ like some magic trick,
    but that’s no good logic, my posse is far too quick for this religious sthick.

    ‘Cuz science is the only way to know y’all,
    you stand with me y’all, or you can fall y’all,
    so go ahead and take your pick…

    ES: Yeah you tell him Rick …?
    Darwin : ‘Cuz if you don’t know me …
    RD: YOU DON’T KNOW DICK!

    Chorus: Yo he’s the Dick to the Dawk to the PhD,
    ?he’s smarter than you, he’s got a science degree!?
    Dick to the Dawk to the PhD,?
    he’s smarter than you, he’s got a science degree!

    SH: On the shoulders of midgets we built up this machine,
    ?DD: YEAH!
    RD: Science silenced that watchdog wingnut Paley?
    growing stronger and harder almost daily,
    storming Wilber?by?force as we framed the discourse
    that faith and science are split in schismatic divorce.

    Then Darwin took to the seas to see what no one had seen,
    and ever since then we’ve been increasingly keen,
    they may never adore us, but they’ll no longer ignore us,
    give it to ‘em PZ hit these ?BLEEP? with the chorus!!!

    Chorus: Yo he’s the Dick to the Dawk to the PhD,
    ?he’s smarter than you, he’s got a science degree!
    ?Dick to the Dawk to the PhD,?
    he’s still smarter than you, he studied biology!

    ?Then there was Darrow,
    dukin’ it out with the straight and the narrow,?
    a ragin’ bull in the ring, he did his thing,
    and took it on the chin like he was Bobby De Niro.
    We might have lost at Scopes, beaten down by the dopes,
    and the stooges of popes, but in losin’ we coped,
    becomin’ more than we hoped,
    creationists slipped on the soap of their own slippery slope.

    What was impossible, improbable, is now wholly unstoppable untoppleable,
    the Dick Dawk’ll roll up as you creationists foldup,
    you haters talkin’ bull, don’t you know that this Dick is un-?BLEEP?-frickin’ blockable?

    Chorus: Yo he’s the Dick to the Dawk to the phd,?
    he’s smarter than you, he’s got a science degree!?
    Dick to the Dawk to the PhD,?
    he’s still smarter than you, he studied biology!

    Now the machine of our making, sees culture ripe for the taking,
    ‘cuz I’m the rappinest, rabidest atheist who,
    unlike the Catholic, the Muslim or even the Jew,
    believes that no God but science could ever be true,
    hell, if I was dyslexic I’d even hate “dog” too.

    Time to open your eyes, get yourself wise,
    the age of sciences will rise to be religion’s demise,
    and while you churchies all cry, shouting ‘why God oh why,’
    I’ll still be poppin’ my collar earning my dollars in Allah.
    Allah!
    Darwin: Yes well I’ve told you.

    Chorus: Yo he’s the Dick to the Dawk to the phd,?
    he’s smarter than you, he’s got a science degree!
    ?Dick to the Dawk to the phd,?
    he’s still smarter than you, he studied biology!

    Chorus: Dick to the Dawk to the phd,?
    he’s smarter than you, he’s got a science degree!?
    Dick to the Dawk to the phd,?
    he’s still smarter than you, he studied biology!

  295. #295 rrt
    March 29, 2008

    JW: Sure, maybe.

    So friggin’ what?

  296. #296 ZekeCDN
    March 29, 2008

    Add me to the list of those who can’t believe how anyone could take this as being anything but pro-science.

    Oh and FWIW I’m still hearing “I’ll still be poppin’ my collar earning more dollars than Allah.”

  297. #297 trimtab
    March 29, 2008

    ZekeCDN #291

    I hear it now. That makes more sense.
    Thanks.

  298. #298 Bob L
    March 30, 2008

    Dawkins saying “If you don’t know me, you don’t DICK!” LOL What a dig and the Expelled crowd.

  299. #299 gyokusai
    March 30, 2008

    Russell Blackford, great comment, thanks! Now, I was indeed seriously foreshortening the New Critics’ position, you are of course right. But I didn’t insinuate that “fixed meaning” equates “authorial intention,” especially not with the New Critics! It’s just that they came pretty close to “fixed” (inherent) meaning, ambiguities included (7 types and stuff, but you know that, obviously :-)) I still like to read some of their brilliant essays from time to time. (BTW I’m pretty close to the Yale-ies myself, always been fascinated by the Johnson/Miller/Culler brand, and I just submitted my ph.d. thesis with a topic in that neighborhood. Culler was, by the way, an outspoken atheist, as was Empson, and they didn’t mince words.)

    Your remark that decon was a dead-end for trying to understand how meaning is actually created by language I find stunning—stunningly interesting, that is. I have to read your blog right away! And will come back to you, if you don’t mind, but not necessarily here in PZ’s backyard ;-)

    And sadly no, I wasn’t joking about the Fishes, not at all. It actually never occured to me that it’s the same person! How could it! Is that true? No it can’t be. You’re kidding.

    Okay I checked. He is. Mind if I puke? :-((( As if lit crit didn’t have a bad enough rep with the science crowd already *sigh*

    ^_°J.

  300. #300 kathryn in california
    March 30, 2008

    Taw @287
    Any guesses as to who the two scientists “Bill” and “Boris / little tool” are in the mini-film 30 seconds in? Boris almost but not quite looks like a Godwin’s rule character–hair parted on the other side, as if the image is flipped–to me.

    trimtrab @290

    What you hear as
    “I’ll still be poppin’ my collar earning my dollars in Allah.”

    I think could be
    “I’ll still be poppin’ my collar earning my dollars per hour.”

  301. #301 tus
    March 30, 2008

    man, this video was just so wrong…but so funny…i wish to never see Eugene scott in a bikini rubbing her stomach again….other than that this was a great video (and from one who loathes rap, thats saying something)

    and yes this is definately pro-science…creationists never understand enough about science to mention some of the things they listed, it takes someone who appriciates science to realy get this video, let alone make it. it seems to be parodying creationist claims such as dogmatic science, this idea of dawkins as a holy figure for atheists, the appeal to authority they use to say “look this guy is a scientist and he says intelegent design makes sense, and he is smarter than you” and it dispenses with creationists’ favourite claims, while a crationists made video would instead tote up those claims and make the refutation exceptionaly riddiculous. while this seems to make the claim itself riddiculous, creationists arent good at much except PR, they are politicians. and they would not give up an opportunity to make a fool of the opposition and make their claims look better. they would have named POOR scientists not good scientists and they would have downplayed faith in reguard to aristotle maybe even inverted their positions in the song. they would have picked the best of the pro-creationist side and the worst of the opposition.

    on top of that, its impossible for a creationist to make a video that doesnt make an atheist’s skin crawl.
    the fact so many atheists here like it is sign, its not a creationist. (which may have been proven in the past 300 posts, i kinda stoped around 60….)

  302. #302 kathryn in california
    March 30, 2008

    So can anyone give a short lesson on the technical details of how this was made?

    Are the dancing bodies taken from a video? Or has the state of the art in computer graphics gotten good enough to generate the dancers.

    Because most of the dancers look like they could be straight from a video. But then there’s Darwin with his 19th century suit–that would have to be made just for this, no?

  303. #303 Michael X
    March 30, 2008

    Kathryn,
    The process is simple. The bodies are of one man recorded normally. Superimposed on his face is the 2D face of whoever, which is likely a photo taken from the web. The jaw is then animated to follow the speech. The background is substituted the same way the faces are, in a way not unlike “cut and paste”. Simple really, and with technology as cheap as it is today, it can be done for very little money. All that is required is the right equipment and knowledge of the editing program. This of course doesn’t detract from the artistic skill and sharp usage of such technology, though the nuts and bolts are fundamentally easy to grasp.

  304. #304 kathryn in california
    March 30, 2008

    Michael X,

    Thanks. Do you think the artist used someone else’s video of dancers? It looks like standard music video dancing, with (if that’s what was done) a good job of extracting only the dancers for the picture.

    If he did, how did he do Darwin–could he superimpose / animate the clothing on top of the dancer’s body?

  305. #305 blf
    March 30, 2008

    TAW@287, thanks for the, ah, IDs. ;-)

    Any clew about the two scientists at the beginning (“Little Tool” and “Bill”?), or the members of the audience when Teh Machine is unveiled? One reason I’m wondering, besides simple curiosity, is the possibility that one or more may provide a hint as to the genius who created this. I understand it’s common practice for the, ah, creator ;-) to have a cameo role or similar.

  306. #306 Michael X
    March 30, 2008

    Kathryn,
    I’m pretty sure it was the same guy all around doing everything. Either that or he has alot of similarly pudgy friends who wanted to be in the video too. ;) As the guy seems pretty proficient in his skills I think he’s also pretty aware of the style he’s creating and the dancing involved, though I wouldn’t really call much of it “dancing” exactly, so I wouldn’t put it out of his ability to do it himself.

    As for the coat, it would be easy to find any long “oldish” looking coat, from either a thrift store, or a local costume shop, (if of course the artist didn’t have one himself or know someone else who did), and not really worry about any other authenticity issues. I’m pretty sure the guy just threw the coat on, and filmed the part.

  307. #307 kathryn in california
    March 30, 2008

    Michael X,
    For some reason–laughing too much, I guess–I didn’t notice that they’re all the same person.

    As a very uncoordinated person I consider any kind of competent movement to music as “dancing.” Is there a term / jargon for having moves to go along with the rhyme and the rhythm? It isn’t just standing with a microphone.

  308. #308 TOO MUCH
    March 30, 2008

    Talk about seeing what you want to see. Is there a scientific term for that?
    After the comments the machine is fitting and funny, look at yourself. The rest of the video is well done on many levels.

  309. #309 MC Escher
    March 30, 2008

    Thanks for making the lyrics a little more readable, Trimtab.

    I think you are dead on with the line “the age of sciences will rise to be religion’s demise” but I’d wager a fat stack of greenbacks that the final line before the ending chorus is “I’ll keep on poppin’ my collar earnin’ more dollars than Allah!”

    Oh, and I think that’s a “Holla’” immediately following, not another “Allah”.

    I suspect the author would disdain the sort of poetical laziness of rhyming Allah with Allah.

    This cat’s far to hip for that, Jack.

    Can I get a what, what?

  310. #310 Russell Blackford
    March 30, 2008

    gyokusai – I’m waving at you, but alas this (literary theory, etc.) isn’t stuff that I normally discuss in my blog. I couldn’t resist the opening here. Yes, Stanley Fish has a lot to answer for, not just as a literary critic but as a proponent of an entire theoretical approach to law, culture, religion, and much else. His literary theory and criticism is just one manifestation of it, and it includes a bizarre hostility to anything that smacks of Enlightenment liberalism.

    My view of the video, a view which I’ve been arguing for over on Dawkins’ site, is that it wasn’t made by either creationist types or scientific rationalist types. It was made, says I, by satirists with a South Park kind of sensibility (but not necessarily the South Park folks themselves). I.e., by people who would think that, in the end, Dawkins, etc., are probably right on the facts about evolution (and maybe even atheism) but are nonetheless obnoxiously arrogant, self-congratulatory, insensitive, ruthless, materialist, etc., etc. That’s the message that came across for me. They’re depicted as glorying in their victories with some intellectual justification, but in a totally obnoxious and destructive way, showing contempt and intolerance for anyone from outside their tribe and with a different view.

    It’ll be fascinating when/if we find out who perpetrated it. It has enough layers of irony to make me hesitate, but I’ve watched it a few times now and I’m reasonably confident that that’s the sensibility that it’s coming from.

    The risk that it takes is that Dawkins, etc., are presented with so much goddamn energy that they can seem just bad-ass and cool, whatever was actually intended. If it was done by people from the Expelled side, all I can say is that they lost control of their material … but I doubt that that’s the situation.

  311. #311 Lago
    March 30, 2008

    Still going with my suggestion it is Jamie Kennedy and friends

  312. #312 kevinj
    March 30, 2008

    @ Peter Ashby

    nope crossbows were around at the time of hastings although they were simple mechanically speaking, eg fairly weak in power and simple trigger mechanisms (the two being connected). there is evidence of normal bows (from the tapestry) as well although nothing like the english and welsh warbows.

    crossbows may have been put on the badlist in the 1100s, although that is debated and it certainly wasnt kept to.

    back on subject it is an amusing film, certainly looks better than that expelled shite.

  313. #313 386sx
    March 30, 2008

    Maybe it was produced by Richard Dawkins. It is titled “Richard Dawkins – Beware the Believers”. Note the “Richard Dawkins” in there in the title there. He is supposed to be a pretty “hip dude”, right? Come on people put two and two together.

    Keep pushin it kids it’s on it’s way to the top yeahh baby!!

  314. #314 386sx
    March 30, 2008

    Keep pushin it kids it’s on it’s way to the top yeahh baby!!

    Seriously it could easily go to number one… on a Sunday! Wake up you guys!!

  315. #315 Citizen Z
    March 30, 2008

    “I’ll keep on poppin’ my collar earnin’ more dollars than Allah!”

    I am 100% certain he is saying “I’ll keep Mary Poppins on call, yeah, singin’ more operas than Callas!”

  316. #316 ice9
    March 30, 2008

    I’m no expert but isn’t that an octopus on the beret? Don’t matter I want one.
    If we make them, we’ll need some XXL’s.

    ice

  317. #317 MicroZealous
    March 30, 2008

    A danger to life and property – I nearly choked on my coffee and sprayed my keyboard. Professionaly done and highly recommended. As to the agenda (reason vs faith)? The very ambiguity of the message encouraged me to listen carefully and make my own judgement. To me, this is a core value of reason. Hmmm . . . I choose . . .Reason!

  318. #318 amk
    March 30, 2008

    This video wins the Internet (it’s still up for grabs, right?)

    Never mind the mollusc hat. I like the fish-with-legs emblems that appear on various heads. I take that as subverting a Christian symbol to signify fish evolving into land animals, something to which creobots particularly object. Is this original?

  319. #320 buck
    March 30, 2008

    guys guys…the ID folks are too dumb to pull of this level of satire…and the references are too many and too subtle…most importantly the lyrics…definitely a pro-science production

    i have a hunch pz may have a big part in making this…i see that he hasn’t given a hat-tip like he normally does when someone refers him to it…also notice the lack of input from pz after the speculation is running wild? very very suspicious…also, seed media has the needed money…

  320. #321 Gordy
    March 30, 2008

    “I like the fish-with-legs emblems that appear on various heads. I take that as subverting a Christian symbol to signify fish evolving into land animals, something to which creobots particularly object.”

    Or it could be an attempt to provoke the folowing thoughts:

    “Why have they got those fish symbols on their heads? That’s a Christian symbol, isn’t it? But they’re not Christians… Oh, wait, it’s got legs. Ah, it’s a Darwinist symbol! Very clever (chuckle)”

    …thereby subtly making the connection that Darwinism is just another religion.

    Sorry if this spoils anyone’s enjoyment, but the timing of its release, the content, the style and the production quality all add up to make me pretty sure this is viral advertising trying raise consciousness about Expelled’s claim that scientists are being sacked for their beliefs. It also tries to create certain negative associations with prominent atheists. That’s not to say it will succeed – just that it appears to have those aims.

    It’s entertaining, of course – it has to be so that people will enjoy it and help spread it on the internet. That’s the whole point. And I don’t think it matters whether the Expelled team are creative enough to put this together or not. I suspect they know enough about marketing and are well funded enough to commission someone else to do it for them.

    By the way, this is my first post here. Love the blog, PZ. You’re a star!

  321. #322 Mike
    March 30, 2008

    It was made by JibJab, commissioned by the producers and advertisers of Expelled, which won’t be admitted to because of the less wholesome elements. They’ll claim that our side made it, or let the suspicion that it was go unanswered. There’s a reason this advertising is highlighting the atheists. Myers comments in the movie, now being leaked by Egnor on the DI complaints page (pity PZ couldn’t have let us know earlier), is what is going to be focused on by the general public who, believe it or not, are very upset by educators stating that they want to convert children to atheism. This will be the clip from the movie that we’re going to see over and over again, along with the JibJab video, and its going to produce “teach the controversy” legislation, that will pass handlily, across the country. This is what will happen if you folks continue with the religion vs science framing. It may already be too late.

  322. #323 Pieter Kok
    March 30, 2008

    Buck (#315) may be onto something. A video like this needs a widely read blog like Pharyngula to spread it over the net. I suspect PZ was tipped off by the makers, but was asked not to reveal their identity.

  323. #324 Ryan Cunningham
    March 30, 2008

    People, the video is pro-evolution. “The Machine” in the song is SCIENCE. Dawkins, PZ, Darwin, etc. helped build the machine, but IT does the expelling.

  324. #325 Julie K
    March 30, 2008

    That was my take – the machine is the scientific method and it expels the ‘so-called scientists’ and rejects the ‘quaint, though ludicrous, notions of the origin of life.’

    The lyrics are pro-science and the rap imagery screams the message that science and scientists are cool and successful.

    As Darwin in the video says “If you don’t know me you don’t know dick!”

    (And upon watching the hi-res version, I think it is an octopus and not a squid on PZ’s hat. I still want one.)

  325. #326 gmm
    March 30, 2008

    Is the 5 minutes to midnite a reference to the urgency of understanding of science and a shot at the rapturists?

  326. #327 malatesta
    March 30, 2008

    So Democritus is holding a cat, while Aristotle is holding a turtle – is the allusion to Schroedinger and Zeno?

  327. #328 themadlolscientist
    March 30, 2008

    The Machine is actually a cyber-Mike Wazowski.

  328. #329 physicsphilosopher
    March 30, 2008

    I’ve read most of the comments posted, so I don’t know if this has been addressed yet. In the line about Democritus and Aristotle the images come from the painting, ‘The School of Athens,’ but the images are of Aristotle first and then Plato, not Democritus and Aristotle. In the painting, it’s Plato that is pointing at the sky, hence, in the video it’s Plato that gets booted into the well, not Aristotle. It’s minor, but I thought that someone on this board with more knowledge of ancient philosophy than I have may be interested. If you want to see the painting (it’s a work of pure genius encompassing the great philosophers/scientists of Raphael’s time) and all the players involved, check out the following link: http://agutie.homestead.com/FiLEs/school_athens_map.html

  329. #330 J Myers
    March 30, 2008

    Any clew [sic] about the two scientists at the beginning (“Little Tool” and “Bill”?)
    They appear to be styled after the guys from the JibJab logo.

  330. #331 Ichthyic
    March 30, 2008

    and its going to produce “teach the controversy” legislation, that will pass handlily, across the country.

    I have to laugh at morons like yourself, that haven’t bothered to notice that every attempt to pass such legislation in the past 3 years in various different states has been shot down.

    oops.

    you really think that pointing out the ludicrous nature of creationism is going to HELP get legislation passed?

    yikes.

    the best way to kill a vampire is to shine light on it.

  331. #332 trimtab
    March 30, 2008

    The first few seconds have just now caught my attention.

    I find the rotating logo just hysterical: “Ministry of Science Propaganda,” in a cyrillic-looking font and accentuated “o” (with a few flipped characters). Also the antiquated men-in-black, (Soviet style?). Really, the only people who don’t know that the words “science” and “propaganda” cannot go together are CREATIns, IDiots, and cdesign proponentsists. Oh, and the Bush administration.

    The first two elements of the title smack of paranoia, reminiscent of totalitarian, iron-curtain regimes. However, the last part is just too funny.

    “Reporting idiocy isn’t really squealing”

    While snitching on your neighbours was encouraged in the former Soviet block (as is the case in any self-respecting totalitarian regime), the title seems to admit that there’s something tacitly wrong with this practice. (You would never get such an admission from a totalitarian power, would you?) However, when applied to idiocy (read “IDiocy”), it’s ok. How direct a criticism of ID to you need in order to know that this film is pro science?

    This also smacks of science’s answer to Expelled’s criticism regarding censorship: while intolerance is not acceptable, applying science to combat IDiocy is actually quite ok, because it’s not a form of intolerance. Science can not be reduced to a form of religion/dogma/fundamentalism…

    As to the lyrics:

    kathryn in california #295, I’ve settled on this one (see below). Sounds more like a “more” than a “my”, and more like a “than” than a “per”. Hope you hear the same.

    MC Escher # 304, correction noted (see below). However, regarding “Holla”, I thought the backup voices are merely echoing “Allah”. Not sure on that one.

    The title of the file contains “DickyD”, so maybe I should replace “Dickie D” with it.

    The latest corrections, minus what I’m not sure or disagree about, are below (comments about, and corrections to, these auditory hallucinations welcome):

    ——————————-
    Hello, is this on?
    Can I get some more hydrogen in my test tube, please?

    My name is D to the I to C to the K,
    yeah I’m the Dickie D, I gots my PhD
    and comin’ your way on the Youtube, to bust your world view,
    so just listen to me and don’t you argue.

    You see, this battle’s been ragin’ since Zeus was on the bottle,
    ‘tween Science like Democritus and Faith like Aristotle,
    ?who said the mover was unmovin’ like some magic trick,
    but that’s no good logic, my posse is far too quick for this religious sthick.

    ‘Cuz science is the only way to know y’all,
    you stand with me y’all, or you can fall y’all,
    so go ahead and take your pick…

    ES: Yeah you tell him Rick …?
    Darwin : ‘Cuz if you don’t know me …
    RD: YOU DON’T KNOW DICK!

    Chorus: Yo he’s the Dick to the Dawk to the PhD,
    ?he’s smarter than you, he’s got a science degree!?
    Dick to the Dawk to the PhD,?
    he’s smarter than you, he’s got a science degree!

    SH: On the shoulders of midgets we built up this machine,?
    DD: YEAH!
    RD: Science silenced that watchdog wingnut Paley?
    growing stronger and harder almost daily,
    storming Wilber?by?force as we framed the discourse
    that faith and science are split in schismatic divorce.

    Then Darwin took to the seas to see what no one had seen,
    and ever since then we’ve been increasingly keen,
    they may never adore us, but they’ll no longer ignore us,
    give it to ‘em PZ hit these ?BLEEP? with the chorus!

    Chorus: Yo he’s the Dick to the Dawk to the PhD,
    ?he’s smarter than you, he’s got a science degree!
    ?Dick to the Dawk to the PhD,?
    he’s still smarter than you, he studied biology!

    ?Then there was Darrow,
    dukin’ it out with the straight and the narrow,?
    a ragin’ bull in the ring, he did his thing,
    and took it on the chin like he was Bobby De Niro.
    We might have lost at Scopes, beaten down by the dopes,
    and the stooges of popes, but in losin’ we coped,
    becomin’ more than we hoped,
    creationists slipped on the soap of their own slippery slope.

    What was impossible, improbable, is now wholly unstoppable untoppleable,
    the Dick Dawk’ll roll up as you creationists foldup,
    you haters talkin’ bull, don’t you know that this Dick is un-?BLEEP?-frickin’ blockable?

    Chorus: Yo he’s the Dick to the Dawk to the phd,?
    he’s smarter than you, he’s got a science degree!?
    Dick to the Dawk to the PhD,?
    he’s still smarter than you, he studied biology!

    Now the machine of our making, sees culture ripe for the taking,
    ‘cuz I’m the rappinest, rabidest atheist who,
    unlike the Catholic, the Muslim or even the Jew,
    believes that no God but science could ever be true,
    hell, if I was dyslexic I’d even hate “dog” too.

    Time to open your eyes, get yourself wise,
    the age of sciences will rise to be religion’s demise,
    and while you churchies all cry, shouting ‘why God oh why,’
    I’ll still be poppin’ my collar, earning more dollars than Allah.
    Allah!
    Darwin: Yes well I’ve told you.

    Chorus: Yo he’s the Dick to the Dawk to the phd,
    ?he’s smarter than you, he’s got a science degree!?
    Dick to the Dawk to the phd,
    ?he’s still smarter than you, he studied biology!

    Chorus: Dick to the Dawk to the phd,
    ?he’s smarter than you, he’s got a science degree!?
    Dick to the Dawk to the phd,?
    he’s still smarter than you, he studied biology!

  332. #333 Sastra
    March 30, 2008

    Russell Blackford #305 wrote

    It was made, says I, by satirists with a South Park kind of sensibility (but not necessarily the South Park folks themselves). I.e., by people who would think that, in the end, Dawkins, etc., are probably right on the facts about evolution (and maybe even atheism) but are nonetheless obnoxiously arrogant, self-congratulatory, insensitive, ruthless, materialist, etc., etc.

    This sounds like a pretty good call — a bit of what Dawkins calls “atheist buttery.” I’m an atheist/evolutionist too, BUT … you guys are still condescending snots.

    It seems to work best viewed as a pro-evolution attack on the New Atheists and their ‘scientism.’

    On the other hand, lines like this — “they may never adore us, but they’ll no longer ignore us” — do sound a bit like a nod to the power of being outspoken. If it’s an attack, it’s a friendly attack. And, frankly, I can’t see any creationist writing that line. There’s no way they want to show atheist-evolutionists as hitherto downtrodden, but finally speaking up, even for a moment. That’s how they’re trying to portray themselves!

  333. #334 Ichthyic
    March 30, 2008

    This sounds like a pretty good call — a bit of what Dawkins calls “atheist buttery.”

    nope.

    the whole thing is poking fun at how the CREATIONISTS mislabel Dawkins et. al. as “obnoxiously arrogant, self-congratulatory, insensitive, ruthless, materialist, etc., etc.”.

    sorry.

    not sure how so many seem to be missing that, but it really is what makes it so funny.

    That’s how they’re trying to portray themselves!

    exactly. It’s how creationists are portraying the situation that is being lampooned here. That is the whole substance and theme of the vid, period.

  334. #335 Ichthyic
    March 30, 2008

    …even structurally, it attacks how the creationists portray things.

    how many times have you heard the creobots accuse PZ of essentially being “Dawkins’ chorus”?

  335. #336 J Myers
    March 30, 2008

    trimtab, Nice work. A few minor corrections:

    - “not good logic” (not “no good logic”)
    - “my posse’s” (not “my posse is”)
    - “shtick” (not “sthick”)
    - 1st chorus starts with “yeah”; others start with “yo”

    I’m not sure about the “Allah/holla” part; didn’t even notice that at first–it’s indiscernible in the reverb, whatever it is, though I’d guess it’s “holla” for reasons MC Escher provides. At the same point, SH and PZ say one word each, to which CD replies “Yes, well I’ve told you,” but I can’t make those out…. SH: you’re? pure? PZ: what?

  336. #337 amk
    March 30, 2008

    It seems to me that the film acknowledges the alleged arrogance of the “new atheist” – and celebrates it, as if it were saying that even if “new atheists” weren’t like that they should be. Why be shy about being right?

  337. #338 amk
    March 30, 2008

    Shorter DickyD: Science. It works, bitches.

    Oh, and PZ seems to be wearing a bandanna, not a hat.

  338. #339 Sastra
    March 30, 2008

    Ichythic #329 wrote:

    the whole thing is poking fun at how the CREATIONISTS mislabel Dawkins et. al. as “obnoxiously arrogant, self-congratulatory, insensitive, ruthless, materialist, etc., etc.”.

    Which only works as humor if it’s quite clear that Dawkins is not “obnoxiously arrogant, self-congratulatory, insensitive, ruthless, materialist, etc. etc.”

    I’m afraid that’s clear only to us (I mean not just you and me, of course, but the so-called New Atheist fan base in general.) Dawkins et al are attacked on a regular basis by other atheists, humanists, secularists, liberal religion evolutionists and so forth on the twin charges of scientism and rudeness.

    Take Matthew Nisbet (not literally.) When it gets right down to it, he’s on our side with evolution. He’s one of the Good Guys. He’s a friend. And he hates us. Well, not you and me, personally (I assume), but the whole Dawkins/PZ chorus. Do you think he would say the creationists are “mislabeling” Dawkins et. al?

    I’ll answer my own question. No. And he’s far from alone. Many atheists appear to be playing The-GOOD- Kind-of-Atheist shtick for all it’s worth. A few of these reviewers for The God Delusion sound like they either didn’t read the book, or they read a different one than me. Same situation as me breathing a secret sigh of relief that PZ’s interview in the movie was so tame, and Nisbet evidently letting it work him into a frenzy of fury so blind he didn’t know or care that telling PZ to “just shut up shut up god damn you” was really not the best way to “frame” the “expelled from Expelled” incident.

    You could be right. I can read the video as pure satire of creationism, a in-your-face depiction of the way they think atheists are. But I still think Russell’s got it.

    Will be interesting to see if we ever get a reveal and explication.

  339. #340 MikeM
    March 30, 2008

    I’m waaaaay late to the party (can’t stream video at work, doncha know…), and I have to voice my opinion.

    Awesome. Really well done.

    Youtube needs its on version of the Golden Globes.

  340. #341 themadlolscientist
    March 30, 2008

    Is the 5 minutes to midnite a reference to the urgency of understanding of science and a shot at the rapturists?

    It reminds me of the famous Doomsday Clock from the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists:

    The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists’ Doomsday Clock conveys how close humanity is to catastrophic destruction–the figurative midnight–and monitors the means humankind could use to obliterate itself. First and foremost, these include nuclear weapons, but they also encompass climate-changing technologies and new developments in the life sciences and nanotechnology that could inflict irrevocable harm.

    During the Cold War, the time on the clock was based only on the likelihood of nuclear war. When I was a kid, it was a big deal every time they reset the clock. Scared the hell out of me. I don’t know when they started including the other factors, but I don’t think they’ve started factoring in the Second Coming. :-)

    Right now, the clock is set at 5 minutes to midnight. I don’t know whether that’s a coincidence or not.

  341. #342 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 30, 2008

    Hmmm. Wilhelm scream. There, that’s better.

    Ah, thanks.

    It was made by JibJab, commissioned by the producers and advertisers of Expelled

    I am appalled at this slander of JibJab. Have you seen their videos about Fearless Flightsuit?

    I am also appalled at your complete lack of humor.

  342. #343 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 30, 2008

    Hmmm. Wilhelm scream. There, that’s better.

    Ah, thanks.

    It was made by JibJab, commissioned by the producers and advertisers of Expelled

    I am appalled at this slander of JibJab. Have you seen their videos about Fearless Flightsuit?

    I am also appalled at your complete lack of humor.

  343. #344 Michael X
    March 30, 2008

    This whole thread isn’t an insight into the creators ability to utilize irony and satire. It’s an insight into the simple ignorance a lot of science minded people have for hip hop culture. There’s no value judgement there, just a clear point to be made that then makes sense of the dick waving bravado that is being confused for the creator “commenting” on the characters of the scientists in question. The gold chains arn’t about money, they’re just what’s worn. It’s simply playing the part and the joke is having all these intellectuals dressed up as G’s. The arrogance, and in-your-face aspect isn’t directed at Dawkins et al, but instead is provided by hip hop itself, just like the bling is.

    This whole thing simply takes the issue and transports it into the hip hop culture, which is far from similar, and thus, the joke. I guess we shouldn’t be too surprised then that a good number of advanced degree intellectuals are having trouble relating.

    But hey… I could be wrong.

  344. #345 MAJeff, OM
    March 30, 2008

    MichaelX@338,

    EXACTLY!!!! This is a great play on the bravado of popular rap (I’m going to avoid the hip hop moniker because a lot of folks make a distinction–and I really like progressive political hip hop)

    After I posted about Hitch needing a 40 instead of a blunt, what popped into my head is that, given what popular rap has become, it should be a bottle of Courvoisier.

  345. #346 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 30, 2008

    Or it could be an attempt to provoke the folowing thoughts:

    “Why have they got those fish symbols on their heads? That’s a Christian symbol, isn’t it? But they’re not Christians… Oh, wait, it’s got legs. Ah, it’s a Darwinist symbol! Very clever (chuckle)”

    Look, it’s satire. It answers the question “if ‘Darwinism’ really were a religion like the silly cdesign proponentsists claim, what would it really look like”?

    Therefore the symbols all over the place (including the extra-large $ necklaces), the puppy-kicking, the “he’s smarter than you” chorus, and the machine that expels cdesign proponentsists left and right.

    Why do some people just not get it? Do you have that little experience with satire?

  346. #347 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 30, 2008

    Or it could be an attempt to provoke the folowing thoughts:

    “Why have they got those fish symbols on their heads? That’s a Christian symbol, isn’t it? But they’re not Christians… Oh, wait, it’s got legs. Ah, it’s a Darwinist symbol! Very clever (chuckle)”

    Look, it’s satire. It answers the question “if ‘Darwinism’ really were a religion like the silly cdesign proponentsists claim, what would it really look like”?

    Therefore the symbols all over the place (including the extra-large $ necklaces), the puppy-kicking, the “he’s smarter than you” chorus, and the machine that expels cdesign proponentsists left and right.

    Why do some people just not get it? Do you have that little experience with satire?

  347. #348 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 30, 2008

    The gold chains arn’t about money, they’re just what’s worn. It’s simply playing the part and the joke is having all these intellectuals dressed up as G’s. The arrogance, and in-your-face aspect isn’t directed at Dawkins et al, but instead is provided by hip hop itself, just like the bling is.

    No. The ridiculously large $ chains are about money — about the ridiculous IDology that scientists participate in the Darwinist conspiracy for money! It’s making fun of the IDologists! Eminem is chosen because he takes arrogance and carries it all the way to ridiculosity, like how this video takes the supposed arrogance evilutionists have according to the IDology and carries it all the way to ridiculosity!

    And here I thought I was the one with too many Asperger symptoms!!! [v?a???????]!!!

    (I hope this displays correctly. Outside the IPA my voiceless scream cannot be written.)

  348. #349 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 30, 2008

    The gold chains arn’t about money, they’re just what’s worn. It’s simply playing the part and the joke is having all these intellectuals dressed up as G’s. The arrogance, and in-your-face aspect isn’t directed at Dawkins et al, but instead is provided by hip hop itself, just like the bling is.

    No. The ridiculously large $ chains are about money — about the ridiculous IDology that scientists participate in the Darwinist conspiracy for money! It’s making fun of the IDologists! Eminem is chosen because he takes arrogance and carries it all the way to ridiculosity, like how this video takes the supposed arrogance evilutionists have according to the IDology and carries it all the way to ridiculosity!

    And here I thought I was the one with too many Asperger symptoms!!! [v?a???????]!!!

    (I hope this displays correctly. Outside the IPA my voiceless scream cannot be written.)

  349. #350 Owlmirror
    March 30, 2008

    hence, in the video it’s Plato that gets booted into the well,

    And well he deserves it. Plato was probably one of the first woo-spreaders around.

  350. #351 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 30, 2008

    And well he deserves it. Plato was probably one of the first woo-spreaders around.

    Exactly.

  351. #352 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 30, 2008

    And well he deserves it. Plato was probably one of the first woo-spreaders around.

    Exactly.

  352. #353 MC Escher
    March 30, 2008

    The gold chains arn’t about money, they’re just what’s worn. It’s simply playing the part and the joke is having all these intellectuals dressed up as G’s. The arrogance, and in-your-face aspect isn’t directed at Dawkins et al, but instead is provided by hip hop itself, just like the bling is.

    Can’t it be both Micheal X? We are talking about ‘mirrored reverse-triple-satire’ here afterall.

    #331 J. Myers- the line of Darwin’s at the end, “Yes, but I’ve told you” sounds like an actual a snippet from the movie- at least to my ears as it matches none of the other voices.

  353. #354 MC Escher
    March 30, 2008

    The gold chains arn’t about money, they’re just what’s worn. It’s simply playing the part and the joke is having all these intellectuals dressed up as G’s. The arrogance, and in-your-face aspect isn’t directed at Dawkins et al, but instead is provided by hip hop itself, just like the bling is.

    Can’t it be both Micheal X? We are talking about ‘mirrored reverse-triple-satire’ here afterall.

    #331 J. Myers- the line of Darwin’s at the end, “Yes, but I’ve told you” sounds like an actual a snippet from the movie- at least to my ears as it matches none of the other voices.

  354. #355 wamba
    March 30, 2008

    The scene in which “Boris” has his colleague “expelled” is ironic, considering that Soviet biological science was crippled in the mid-20th century by pseudo-scientists wielding political power. It was not “Darwinists,” but Lysenkoists who did the damage, which resulted in the starvation of multitudes.

  355. #356 Reginald Selkirk
    March 30, 2008

    It seems to me that the film acknowledges the alleged arrogance of the “new atheist” – and celebrates it…

    The video maker seems to be conflating the evo vs. creo fight with the atheist vs. theist fight. Harris and Hitchens have not been prominent faces in the evo vs. creo wars. Where is Ken Miller? Where is any theist evolutionist?

  356. #357 Reginald Selkirk
    March 30, 2008

    Oh my dog, that kicks ass! Someone must have studied biology!

    Don’t know what you’re talking about; there is no scientific content in the video. The video maker is familiar with some faces known only within the evo wars, but confuses them (deliberately?) with the new atheists. Dawkins only claim to authority in the video is that, scarecrow-like, he possesses a piece of paper proclaiming that he has a diploma. (According to Wikipedia, Dawkins actually possesses an MA, a D.Phil and a D.Sc., but not a Ph.D.) As noted by others, the historical figures mentioned are not accurately portrayed either. Why mention the Scopes trial but not Edwards v. Aguillard or Kitzmiller v. DASD?

    Musically and visually, it displays a lot of talent, but it does not display a detailed and accurate knowledge of the subject matter.

  357. #358 Michael X
    March 30, 2008

    Well, it could be triple-reverse-ironic-satire. But occam’s razor just seems to point to the fact that some guys had the idea of making a rap about this whole idiotic Expelled drama and like the gag of putting Dawkins et al in rap paraphernalia. And I like the idea too. I found it hilarious.

    So while the chains represent money in the simple sense of having it, which is a rap meme, it is emphatically not to be viewed as some metaphorical statement on the place of money are regards scientists, cdesign proponentists, or whatever else, which is what I meant about the chains not being about “money” in any conscious sense. I should have been clearer. It’s simply part of “dressing the part”. This whole thing is really much simpler than it’s being made to be, and the glorious, simple humor of it is being lost by taking it down rabbit trails.

    And David, be gentle with my satire meter. It’s a little overloaded at the moment.

  358. #359 J Myers
    March 30, 2008

    sounds like an actual a snippet from the movie
    … from Expelled? Why do you think that? Wherever it’s from originally, in this video Darwin seems to be offering it as a response to whatever Harris and PZ are saying – any ideas?

  359. #360 George Smiley
    March 30, 2008

    I harbor two suspicions. First: at least some of the commentors claiming that this is a viral vid are themselves paid or volunteer cdesignp’ist astroturfers. Second, that most of those who fit the first description but not the second are Seriously Humor-Impaired.

  360. #361 trimtab
    March 30, 2008

    J Myers #331,

    The first 4 corrections are noted. The Allah/Holla bit I’m still unsure of. Immediately after RD says “Allah”, we see Darwin at the moment “Allah” seems to be echoed, followed by SH, PZ and Darwin as follows:

    I’ll still be poppin’ my collar, earning more dollars than Allah.
    Allah!
    SH: Say what?
    PZ: What?
    Darwin: Yes, well I’ve told you.

    Still, there seems to be more in there than I can differentiate, though I can’t hear the “You sure?” you ascribe to SH.

    Never thought getting lyrics down pat could be this challenging :-)

    Cheers

  361. #362 386sx
    March 30, 2008

    Dawkins actually possesses an MA, a D.Phil and a D.Sc., but not a Ph.D.

    A D.Phil is the same thing as a Ph.D, I believe.

  362. #363 Michael X
    March 30, 2008

    MAJeff,
    I agree that musically the distinction needs to be made, as a lot of quality hip hop (and rap) is being made, though popular rap/hop is diluting the overall quality of both. But that’s just me. As for Hitch, if they didn’t have Courvoisier, maybe they could have used Cristal? Though, I’m sure Hitch would rather just go lowbrow and drink Hennessy… After that, my knowledge of high-class rap liquor fails me. Though I gotta admit, when I saw Dr. Dre and Pharrell do a Coors Light commercial I thought the world was about to turn on it’s head.

  363. #364 386sx
    March 30, 2008

    According to Wikipedia, Dawkins actually possesses an MA, a D.Phil and a D.Sc., but not a Ph.D.

    http://richarddawkins.net/articleComments,2409,Beware-the-Believers,RandomSlice,page5#152142

    “3. There’s no difference between D.Phil and Ph.D.
    Oxford and Cambridge adopted different abbreviations for the Latin form of “Doctor of Philosophy”. The rest of the world, for some reason follows the Cambridge form, Ph.D. (except Sussex, Buckingham and perhaps York although I am not sure about that). It would simplify matters if Oxford were to come into line with the rest of the world, but I don’t see it happening any time soon. There is absolutely no sense in which a D.Phil is superior to a Ph.D. The higher doctorate of science is the D.Sc (Oxford) or Sc.D (Cambridge).” –Richard Dawkins, famous celebrity rapper. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaGgpGLxLQw

  364. #365 Reginald Selkirk
    March 30, 2008

    “3. There’s no difference between D.Phil and Ph.D.

    That’s not true. One of them rhymes better.

    Dick to the Dawk to the Dsc

  365. #366 Mike D
    March 30, 2008

    Who is in the audience?

    I’m pretty sure the bald guy in the front row is Kevin Miller, but I haven’t been able to place the others. Anyone recognize any of the shocked folks in the audience?

  366. #367 Sastra
    March 30, 2008

    Reginald Selkirk #356 wrote:

    That’s not true. One of them rhymes better.
    Dick to the Dawk to the Dsc

    Oh my, you’re right.

    I really don’t know if the minor genius behind this video has been reading any of these comments — and if he has been, I’m not sure if he’s been laughing, or sneering, or shaking his head in annoyance or confusion or approval — but I do know one thing. If he read that, he just went “damn.”

    Why? Because “Dick to the Dawk to the Dsc” does sound better than “Dick to the Dawk to the Phd.”

    Of course, it wouldn’t have been as clear to the American audience. So if you are reading this, Anonymous Video Maker, it’s okay. It’s better you did it the way you did. Don’t feel bad.

  367. #368 JCE
    March 30, 2008

    One of the other 300-series posts got me back thinking on something that has puzzled me about this thread, so I scanned through the comments again, this time to see what was wrong with the pattern. There are three things that I expected to see in this thread by now that were *not* there and the thing is starting to smell… fishy :P

    Then I looked at the calendar(oh-ho!) and formed a reasonable testable hypothesis On the Origin of the Video. It’s better than my usual ones because it requires no work from me other than to sit back and wait – no messy field collection, no grueling lab studies and no statistics!

    Whoever the maker(s)is/are, wherever you are, after many viewings I am still liking this video and the music, lyrics, hats etc. but am also getting additional enjoyment from the fact that I now think you have punked us but good. I would like to stand you a beer or three someday, preferably before the first thesis analyzing the symbolism of it all ends up getting someone a degree.

    If it turns out that this is actually the work of the Expelled production team (current null hypothesis :P oh come ON people, are we really the sort who believe in miraculous changes to competency and senses of humour?) it will not change my opinion of the video one iota, although I would think a lot more highly of the Expelled team (if not their previous efforts, candor and general philosophies). I seriously doubt it but one of the nice things about being a scientist is that we are allowed to be wrong and change our minds when presented with verifiable contradictory evidence.

  368. #369 Thanny
    March 30, 2008

    #348:

    Scientific content? It’s about science as force in history, not any particular set of nuts and bolts from its practice.

    Consider the historical faceoffs referred to:

    Democritus vs. Aristotle
    David Hume vs. William Paley
    T.H. Huxley vs. Samuel Wilberforce
    Clarence Darrow vs. William Jennings Bryan

    This is the work of a very well-informed person. He/she even knew the “on the shoulders of dwarfs” line (changed to “midgets” in the video) that Sam Harris uses to describe Western Civilization’s level of progress in contemplative thought, his pet topic.

    Finally, the cephalopod on PZ’s hat is definitely an octopus – it’s crystal clear in the high-resolution version you can get via the torrent linked to several times in the comments here.

  369. #370 BathTub
    March 30, 2008

    One thing, The South Park guys are not Athiests, and don’t have a high opinion of Richard Dawkins.

  370. #371 Gordy
    March 30, 2008

    David Marjanovi? wrote: “Look, it’s satire. It answers the question “if ‘Darwinism’ really were a religion like the silly cdesign proponentsists claim, what would it really look like”?”
    OK, so why not use the red A? Why come up with a corruption of a Christian symbol? I think it’s because they specifically wanted that link between the symbol and religion.

    David Marjanovi? wrote: “Why do some people just not get it? Do you have that little experience with satire?”
    I do get it. Yes, it is satire and very clever satire at that. As I said above, it has to be entertaining in order that people will spread it around the internet. That is the nature of viral advertising. Why do you just not get that? :)
    I’m not trying to debate whether or not it’s funny, just the intent behind it.

    George Smiley wrote: “I harbor two suspicions. First: at least some of the commentors claiming that this is a viral vid are themselves paid or volunteer cdesignp’ist astroturfers. Second, that most of those who fit the first description but not the second are Seriously Humor-Impaired.”
    Well, I am an atheist and have no time for ID. Not quite sure why I should be humour-impaired, unless you think it’s impossible to find something funny and at the same time see a hostile intent behind it.
    You don’t have to take my word for it. Just look at the spin they put on the expelled from Expelled incident. Now think about how they could try to use this video and the reaction to it. I’m not going to speculate on here lest I end up doing their work for them, but I can think of a few choice ways that a cynical media manipulator could spin all this to make atheists look bad. We’ll see if it actually happens.
    I realise I’m swimming against the tide here and I admit I could be wrong, but I am sincerely trying to help.

  371. #372 J Myers
    March 30, 2008

    Why come up with a corruption of a Christian symbol?
    Gordy, that legged fish is mainstream. It is known much more widely than the scarlet A, pink unicorn, atomic A, etc. It’s been around for years, and I see it on several cars on my drive to work, on several more in the parking lot at my office… it’s everywhere (excluding various benighted backwaters, no doubt). There are many creative elements in that video, but the evolving fish is not one of them.

  372. #373 Physicalist
    March 30, 2008

    “Why come up with a corruption of a Christian symbol?”

    They didn’t “come up” with the Darwin Fish, it’s been around for well over a decade. I had one on my car in the early 90s, and I’d guess it had been around for many years before that.

  373. #374 Ichthyic
    March 30, 2008

    “Why come up with a corruption of a Christian symbol?”

    a better question:

    why did Christians corrupt a perfectly good pagan symbol?

    http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefsvesica.htm

  374. #375 Ichthyic
    March 30, 2008

    Why do some people just not get it? Do you have that little experience with satire?

    I kept thinking the same thing.

    The purpose and theme of the vid seemed rather obvious to me.

    I mean, gold dollar sign necklaces??

    c’mon, people. They are obviously paroding the image of scientists the creationists themselves attempt to portray.

    this a 100% pro science, anti-idiot parody.

  375. #376 Physicalist
    March 30, 2008

    If we didn’t have the evidence of the singing and the dancing to speak for the author being male, I’d guess that it would be the only non-photoshopped gasp in the audience 18 seconds in. But she’s a young woman (perhaps a friend of the author?). I would like to know whose faces those are; I’d be surprised if they were random images (some school board, or something?).

  376. #377 Gordy
    March 31, 2008

    J Myers & Physicalist >

    Thanks, I didn’t realise that. I live in a country that’s relatively free of religion so (thankfully) I have little exposure to these things. Sorry for the misinterpretation.

  377. #378 Ichthyic
    March 31, 2008

    Take Matthew Nisbet (not literally.)

    oh, I think there a few place I’d like to take young Matty too. A congregation of Phelpsians comes to mind. I think I would like to leave him with them for a couple of weeks; give him a real education.

  378. #379 Ichthyic
    March 31, 2008

    for people who like a “clearer” message…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_TH-eUUkbA&feature=related

  379. #380 tintenfisch
    March 31, 2008

    I just checked out Uncommon Descent. They’re claiming this video as a win for their side and they’re tickled pink that we just can’t see that this is a brilliant, creationist, anti-evolution masterpiece

    Doesn’t look like they have any better idea who made this than we do, but seems like their consensus is that this is from the Expelled team.

    I’m still on the fence. I could see this as going either way.

  380. #381 James F
    March 31, 2008

    But then why would they support it? I thought ID wasn’t creationism…oh, wait, never mind.

  381. #382 Ichthyic
    March 31, 2008

    I keep thinking I would love to have a little collar radio like “little tool”, so I too could call on “big gadget” whenever folks like Ken Ham skulk about.

  382. #383 Squiddhartha
    March 31, 2008

    Don’t forget, by the tenet that “any publicity is good publicity” (which is why PZ’s expulsion and the hoopla surrounding it were “bad for science,” remember?), even if this was made to mock science, it’s a win for the “Darwinists”!

    It’s face time for atheists and scientists — the only creationists that appear are getting kicked around. No mention of Behe, Dembski, Egnor…

  383. #384 Grammar RWA
    March 31, 2008

    This thread still going on 300 posts after Robert Maynard? What for?

  384. #385 Ichthyic
    March 31, 2008

    This thread still going on 300 posts after Robert Maynard? What for?

    because he took it as an attack instead of as parody?

    IOW, he was wrong.

  385. #386 Gordy
    March 31, 2008

    Good question, Grammar RWA. I’d love to know why it’s so obvious to some people and not at all to others.

  386. #387 Grammar RWA
    March 31, 2008

    Oh well. It’s not as blatant as it could be, and of course we’re all using different measurements.

  387. #388 Michael X
    March 31, 2008

    Ouch tintenfisch,
    I don’t often subject myself to Uh Duh, but damn if that isn’t some dim commentary. I saved that particular post for whenever they find egg on their face and try to erase it. I’m actually looking forward to it. I may have to start a blog just to show it off.

  388. #389 Torben
    March 31, 2008

    How likely is it that the IDiots makes a viral 1,000 times funnier, cleverer, and more knowledgeable than the movie it’s supposed to sell?

  389. #390 nameinuse
    March 31, 2008

    For what it’s worth, the rapper sounds a lot like MC 900 ft Jesus from back in the day.

  390. #391 Reginald Selkirk
    March 31, 2008

    I just checked out Uncommon Descent. They’re claiming this video as a win for their side and they’re tickled pink that we just can’t see that this is a brilliant, creationist, anti-evolution masterpiece…

    What’s the last development in the battle that the Creationists did not declare as a win? Seriously, if they had a functional, well-calibrated sense of judgment, they wouldn’t be creationists.

  391. #392 Reginald Selkirk
    March 31, 2008

    If it turns out that this is actually the work of the Expelled production team…

    I don’t recall anyone suggesting that it was done by the Expelled! team themselves, only that they commissioned it. Whoever did this had far more talent than Mark Mathis and Ben Stein put together.

  392. #393 tus
    March 31, 2008

    if they commisioned it, they commisioned wrong, the worst part…they wont know it…because they will think this actually SUPPORTS their view rather than satires…

    but i dont think this is by them, and the people at UD thinking it is…realy just a confirmation of poe’s law.

  393. #394 Ken Cope
    March 31, 2008

    Whoever did this had far more talent than Mark Mathis and Ben Stein put together.

    That’s a very low bar. That reduces the number of potential authors to pretty much everybody else.

  394. #395 snead
    March 31, 2008

    This is the most fun thread I’ve lurked in a long time.

    I posted about this at Kos last night and somebody suggested it might be Jamie Kennedy, whom I’d never heard of, but if you Google him you can see he’s about the same size, shape, and pastiness of the bodies in the video.

  395. #396 snead
    March 31, 2008

    Oops. I see too late that I’ve been scooped.

  396. #397 pedlar
    March 31, 2008

    Getting late … but everyone else and their dog has had a go …

    When I find myself (partially) disagreeing with, among others, the smartest (David M) and the wisest (Sastra) of the regulars here then something really weird is going on … but for goodness sake people stop being so damn clever.

    This is not made by you, its made by a rap artist, and a damn good one at that. So stop looking at it thru your eyes, your wise scientist eyes.

    Michael X @ 338 has got it dead right. Why? Because of all of us he’s got the nearest thing to ‘rap artist’ eyes. Read it again, and learn.

    This whole thread isn’t an insight into the creators ability to utilize irony and satire. It’s an insight into the simple ignorance a lot of science minded people have for hip hop culture. There’s no value judgement there, just a clear point to be made that then makes sense of the dick waving bravado that is being confused for the creator “commenting” on the characters of the scientists in question. The gold chains arn’t about money, they’re just what’s worn. It’s simply playing the part and the joke is having all these intellectuals dressed up as G’s. The arrogance, and in-your-face aspect isn’t directed at Dawkins et al, but instead is provided by hip hop itself, just like the bling is.

    Oh, and it’s (bleeping) hilarious.

  397. #398 Dude
    March 31, 2008

    I’m going with MC Frontalot as the author of the video.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nigRT2KmCE

  398. #399 Aspentroll
    March 31, 2008

    That was very well done.
    I really don’t know which side would be responsible for this. It seemed to be mocking Dawkins. But then,
    a whole lot of science was needed just to produce it,
    so since the creationists
    use bad science, mostly,
    I kinda doubt it was them. Besides that, don’t all rappers go to Hell?

  399. #400 Robster, FCD
    March 31, 2008

    It wouldn’t surprise me if it was a pro-expelled video. Remember how PZ and RD’s interviews raised the hackles of the creationists, while we saw nothing wrong with them at all (except the quotemining, scare music, and nose pans)?

    My biggest reason for thinking this was not a pro-expelled movie is that it doesn’t appear on the expelled website. the best they have to offer is a crappy jibjab free ecard.

  400. #401 Reginald Selkirk
    March 31, 2008

    That’s a very low bar.

    I’d be willing to throw in more of the Expelled! creative team, such as Kevin Miller, but I think that would only depress the bar further.

  401. #402 blf
    March 31, 2008

    J.Myers@325: “Clew” is an archaic spelling of “clue”. I prefer “clew” because it seems to better represent the sound of that word.

    I don’t know when “clue” replaced “clew” (or, indeed, if “clew” ever was the dominant spelling), but it was probably fairly recently (i.e., last c.100 years or so). Reason? The “clew” spelling was used by Arthur Conan Doyle in some of the Sherlock Holmes stories. (I do not know if or when he ever used “clue”.)

  402. #403 Spinoza
    March 31, 2008

    To the guy who asked who the hip-hop group/song is that is being referenced, it’s Naughty By Nature – O.P.P. from 1991… so uhh… yeah…

  403. #404 Paha Arkkitehti
    March 31, 2008

    For the JibJab speculation; they just (23 mins ago) commented on the film “well done!”, so they are not taking credit from this piece.

  404. #405 malatesta
    March 31, 2008

    @ #389

    I don’t think it’s MC Frontalot, but it is definitely somebody in the relatively tiny nerdcore scene.

  405. #406 Lago
    March 31, 2008

    Like I said above, I talked to someone who produces hip-hop and they said it sounds exactly like “Jamie Kennedy,” and also said that the guy in the T-shirt (The wife beater) looks identical to the way Kennedy dresses and his physical appearance. He said Jamie works with other people, so it would not be Jamie alone of he did it, but he said the main voice is near identical to him..

    I will try and see if I can get some video stuff from YouTube so you can compare…

  406. #407 Lago
    March 31, 2008

    Here is one by him…

  407. #408 Lago
    March 31, 2008

    I believe, from what you can see here, the Dennett body double is played by Bobby Lee, and the lead rapper is Jamie Kennedy, and whenever you see a skinny guy with a wife beater T-shirt it is Jamie

  408. #409 Lago
    March 31, 2008
  409. #410 Ichthyic
    March 31, 2008

    Here is one by him…

    ?

  410. #411 Ferrous Patella
    March 31, 2008

    Lago!

    Link!

  411. #412 windy
    March 31, 2008
    Oh my dog, that kicks ass! Someone must have studied biology!

    Don’t know what you’re talking about; there is no scientific content in the video.

    Maybe you need to study more biology. ;)

  412. #413 Lago
    March 31, 2008

    I have no idea why I am having trouble posting links but here I try again. This was the first video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goC2iRXywes

  413. #414 eliza
    March 31, 2008

    Cuttlefish, is that you? ;)

  414. #415 Ichthyic
    March 31, 2008

    I’m going with no on Kennedy being involved.

    the bobble-head style is similar, but the animations are much more complex (check the mouth movements) in the Kennedy vids.

    It is interesting that whoever did it hasn’t stepped up yet to claim it.

  415. #416 Lago
    March 31, 2008

    I did not even know about the bobble head but when I suggested Kennedy. I had someone who produces rap stuff listen to the original and dared him to name who might have done it, and he did not blink, and said this is Jamie Kennedy from Malibu’s most wanted. He is a comedian and rapper. The guys with him are often from other comedic groups like Mad TV.

    Here you can see the guy from the video is built very similar and dresses very similar to Jamie Kennedy, and Jamie has had several TV shows and has the access to animators galore…

  416. #417 Lago
    March 31, 2008
  417. #418 CrypticLife
    March 31, 2008

    Interesting that Dawkins wears a clock showing five minutes to midnight, which seems to reference the atomic clock to armageddon.

  418. #419 Carlie
    March 31, 2008

    I thought the clock was referring to the geologic time analogy with the beginning of the Cenozoic.

  419. #420 J Myers
    March 31, 2008

    blf, interesting, I did not know that, and I’ve read some of Arthur Conan Doyle’s Holmes books. Perhaps they had been edited to reflect our contemporary conventions… I have my linguistic and stylistic preferences as well–always use the Oxford comma, for instance–but holding to such lofty ideals, I find I only meet with disappointment. For instance, Dawkins omitted my cherished comma from The God Delusion. The heretic.

  420. #421 ATX
    March 31, 2008

    It’s certainly Jamie Kennedy…
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zg46D2Xs_00

  421. #422 386sx
    March 31, 2008

    They spelled Christopher Hitchens’s name wrong in the video desription. They spelled it like “Hitchins”. Must be the Expelled people!!

  422. #423 Fire Ant
    March 31, 2008

    The large ball of the machine looks like William Beebe’s Bathysphere………

  423. #424 Physicalist
    March 31, 2008

    Yep, you nailed it. Kennedy all right. Sure looks to me like the young woman in the Stu Stone vid is the same one as the non-photoshopped gasper eighteen seconds in. I’ll try to post the pic in a second . . .

  424. #425 Lago
    March 31, 2008

    I have posting that it was Jamie Kennedy for several days now…and no one believed me..

  425. #426 Lago
    March 31, 2008

    I also believe, as mentioned above, the D. Dennett body is played by Bobby Lee of Mad TV

  426. #427 Physicalist
    March 31, 2008

    Well, Lago, I believe you now. I tried to post up the pics at physicalist.blogspot.com.

    I’ll see if I can get a better grab of the young woman’s face in the 1984 vid. Do you know who she is? (And am I right to think that’s definitely her?)

  427. #428 Maybe
    March 31, 2008

    That’s not very compelling evidence, the girls look a little alike but I have no clue if it’s the same girl. And the voices don’t quite match up in my head. Could be him but I’d guess it’s someone pretty unknown.

  428. #429 Damian
    March 31, 2008

    I don’t know whether it is her, Physicalist, Lago, etc. She has totally different expressions on her face in the 1984 video, so it is hard to tell, but I can’t see enough similarity.

    I do think that you could well be right about who made the video, though. Nobody has logged in to the Jaime Kennedy youtube account for over 6 months.

  429. #430 Lago
    March 31, 2008

    Bobby lee is fat and out of shape and loves to show it off. He is from Mad TV. He is also friends with Jamie Kennedy and did a movie with him. Here is a video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvUtdEvOEKY

    Now compare his body with D. Dennett’s from the video…

  430. #431 Physicalist
    March 31, 2008

    I’m not positive it’s the same young woman either, but it’s a pretty strong match. Exactly the same hair (which is perhaps surprising), same face structure. I wish there were a higher resolution version of the 1984 video.

    Lago, I’d be willing to bet that you’re right about Bobby Lee and Dennett’s body.

    Put all this together with the fact that we’ve got Kennedy with the high quality rap bobble-head theme and I think the case is very strong.

  431. #432 MAJeff, OM
    March 31, 2008

    the Bobby Lee thing makes a LOT of sense to me with the Eugenie Scott character playing with “her” tummy….

    Then again, I’m not really caring who made it…it’s just fun.

  432. #433 Lago
    March 31, 2008

    I know we all could be wrong, but, as a guitarist, I can tell many guitar plays at one note, so when I asked someone that produced rap, and he did not blink, I must respect his opinion. He did admit it could be someone trying to copy Jamie Kennedy, but it must be at least that.

    So, if I am right, I must actually Credit “Shiz Murder” for figuring it out…

  433. #434 noblecaboose
    April 1, 2008

    #389
    No, it’s definitely not Front. But he did write a VERY COOL song about the “Wedge Strategy” called Origin of the Species satirizing the point of view of creationists.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJjcyguR5bg
    (it’s hard to hear the lyrics in the song)

  434. #435 Dude
    April 1, 2008

    #425

    “Origin” is the reason I think Its MC Frontalot. The writing style is similar! Not to mention Frontalot is a tall, pasty white dude, kinda skinny but has the nerd-belly.

    But the Jamie Kennedy argument is running a close second.

    It will be interesting to see who made it, if anyone ever owns up to it.

  435. #436 The Droids You Are Looking For
    April 1, 2008

    That’s a no on Jamie Kennedy. And a no for Bobby Lee.

    Flattering as both guesses are. *eyeroll*

    You will find the ones you’re looking for here

  436. #437 Lago
    April 1, 2008

    Seems we have smoked someone out..

  437. #438 JCE
    April 1, 2008

    Ha! Called it! Ok, where do I send the beer?

  438. #439 JCE
    April 1, 2008

    though wondering why it isn’t on same youtube account as the original. Bother.

  439. #440 Torben
    April 1, 2008

    I don’t get it. “Expect us”? Is this linked to the anti-scientology crowd, Anonymous? Of course the date is close to April’s Fools Day, but still.

  440. #441 agg
    April 1, 2008

    I think this video has opened whole new untapped as of yet market!

  441. #442 Mike D
    April 1, 2008

    You can count on t-shirts with the slogan:

    “I’m smarter than you. I’ve got a science degree.”

  442. #443 bitbutter
    April 1, 2008

    @ Dude, post #425

    I thought it might be mc frontalot also, so i asked him. He says no.

  443. #444 Physicalist
    April 1, 2008

    Oh well, so much for my attempts to be a cyber-sleuth. I give up.

  444. #445 386sx
    April 1, 2008

    They spelled Christopher Hitchens’s name wrong in the video desription. They spelled it like “Hitchins”.

    Thank you mysterious person for correcting that! :P

  445. #446 Robster, FCD
    April 1, 2008

    If it were anonymous, take this as a good sign. The “God does not exist, prove me wrong” threads at *removed by scientology* would make make the religion discussions here look like tea time with the Queen. That anonymous is not invading here is a sign that those who are aware of sciblogs like it too much to give it cancer.

  446. #447 J Myers
    April 1, 2008
    They spelled Christopher Hitchens’s name wrong in the video desription. They spelled it like “Hitchins”.

    Thank you mysterious person for correcting that! :P

    I had noticed that misspelling as well; figured it was just a careless mistake. What’s interesting is that they appear to have fixed the spelling without logging into their youtube account–last login for randomslice was 2+ days ago.

  447. #448 Grammar RWA
    April 1, 2008

    though wondering why it isn’t on same youtube account as the original. Bother.

    Because it isn’t by the same people. The dancing in the second video is exactly the same as the first. They just cut out some scenes and blackened the background. It would be trivial to do, nothing like the work that went into the first video.

  448. #449 Paha Arkkitehti
    April 1, 2008

    “What’s interesting is that they appear to have fixed the spelling without logging into their youtube account–last login for randomslice was 2+ days ago.”

    Nothing weird here – I often have my browser open for many many days with single YouTube login and it counts “from the beginning”…

  449. #450 Bert Chadick
    April 1, 2008

    I can’t read over 400 comments, but the first 100 or so gave me the idea that there was some controversy as to the creationist or evolutionist motives of the author. I’ve never met a creationist with that excellent a sense of humor or that level of, um, creativity. Their stuff is always ham fisted and sub-juvenile.

  450. #451 blf
    April 1, 2008

    Given that the genius who created this seems to be well informed, I wonder if there is any significance to her(? his? their?) listing an age of 107 in the YouTube profile:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/randomslice

    I can think of three reasons:

    1. It’s an arbitrary number. Move along.

    2. An anniversary of something 107 years(?) ago? (Any ideas what?)

    3. The combined ages of the creative team.

    And am I imagining it, or is there a face(? skull? fossil?) rotating in the center of the Ministry of Science Propaganda logo when the clip starts?

  451. #452 Rebel 16
    April 1, 2008

    I’m inclined to believe the ‘reveal’ as they use the uncensored audio track at the very end instead of “This Dick is un-*bleep*-frickin’-blockable.” I’ve really enjoyed both the video and the mystery surrounding it. Very high quality concept and execution. I hope the creators do more.

  452. #453 J Myers
    April 1, 2008

    Paha, good point, hadn’t thought of that.

  453. #454 amk
    April 1, 2008

    I’m inclined to believe the ‘reveal’ as they use the uncensored audio track at the very end instead of “This Dick is un-*bleep*-frickin’-blockable.”
    Up thread there was a link to an uncensored version on Youtube that was taken down again quickly.

    I call bullshit on this “reveal”. Show me the bodies without the heads and I’ll believe it.

  454. #455 Monty
    April 1, 2008

    That was the funniest thing I have seen all week. People should do this sort of thing more often

  455. #456 Carlie
    April 1, 2008

    Damn it, droids, that’s the third time today!

    BTW, check out YouTube’s featured videos of the day.

  456. #457 Thomas S. Howard
    April 2, 2008

    Umm, sorry to throw water on the Jaime Kennedy theory, but the girl Physicalist has identified in Kennedy’s “1984″ clip is Maria Menounos. That clip is from the movie “Kickin’ It Old Skool”, and, well, she’s in it. Of course, it could still be him, but this doesn’t count as evidence one way or the other.

  457. #458 BathTub
    April 2, 2008

    That’s actually a cool little follow-up video, I’m inclined to believe it’s the same guys.

  458. #459 Torbjörn Larsson, OM
    April 2, 2008

    Seems my reply never made it out of spam filter limbo:

    Oh my dog, that kicks ass! Someone must have studied biology!

    Don’t know what you’re talking about; there is no scientific content in the video.

    I’m afraid you are reading too much into this. It was an attempt of joke based on the rap text.

  459. #460 Torbjörn Larsson, OM
    April 2, 2008

    Seems my reply never made it out of spam filter limbo:

    Oh my dog, that kicks ass! Someone must have studied biology!

    Don’t know what you’re talking about; there is no scientific content in the video.

    I’m afraid you are reading too much into this. It was an attempt of joke based on the rap text.

  460. #461 Torbjörn Larsson, OM
    April 2, 2008

    I’m inclined to believe the ‘reveal’ as they use the uncensored audio track

    I guess that isn’t conclusive in this age of the video, but I assume that is the whole point of this. OTOH it clashes with the concept of Rick Rolling as I understand it.

    Too bad, as the follow up while still intelligent is unfunnily dismissive of science (and possibly Rick Rolling). The original video projected this deceit humoristically onto creationist strawmen.

    Either it isn’t the same makers, or they got hurried as this is an exclusive reaction to ScienceBlogs discussion, or they reveal their own assumptions. (Or possibly it is a meta projection, as scientology style beliefs is another strawman. But that is too much overloading to be funny to me.)

    Happily it doesn’t detract from the original video at all! Now I’m looking forward to see the uncensored version of it. (Lacking that, piecing it together could be a nice project for a rainy day.)

  461. #462 Torbjörn Larsson, OM
    April 2, 2008

    I’m inclined to believe the ‘reveal’ as they use the uncensored audio track

    I guess that isn’t conclusive in this age of the video, but I assume that is the whole point of this. OTOH it clashes with the concept of Rick Rolling as I understand it.

    Too bad, as the follow up while still intelligent is unfunnily dismissive of science (and possibly Rick Rolling). The original video projected this deceit humoristically onto creationist strawmen.

    Either it isn’t the same makers, or they got hurried as this is an exclusive reaction to ScienceBlogs discussion, or they reveal their own assumptions. (Or possibly it is a meta projection, as scientology style beliefs is another strawman. But that is too much overloading to be funny to me.)

    Happily it doesn’t detract from the original video at all! Now I’m looking forward to see the uncensored version of it. (Lacking that, piecing it together could be a nice project for a rainy day.)

  462. #463 dahduh
    April 2, 2008

    Here’s something for you conspiracy theorists out there. Why precisely were the words “Reporting idiocy isn’t really _squealing_” (my emphasis) put up at the start of the video? Doesn’t this suggest that the authors are in some way related to an organization that is _supposed_ to be advancing the ID view, but decided to engage in a little active subversion? For example, perhaps some of the more intelligent people in a company commissioned for ‘Expelled’ decided to put in a bit of overtime…

    Of course the ‘idiocy’ is probably also play on IDiot.

  463. #464 andyo
    April 2, 2008

    Given that the genius who created this seems to be well informed, I wonder if there is any significance to her(? his? their?) listing an age of 107 in the YouTube profile:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/randomslice

    I can think of three reasons:

    1. It’s an arbitrary number. Move along.

    2. An anniversary of something 107 years(?) ago? (Any ideas what?)

    3. The combined ages of the creative team.

    And am I imagining it, or is there a face(? skull? fossil?) rotating in the center of the Ministry of Science Propaganda logo when the clip starts?

    Posted by: blf | April 1, 2008 2:29 PM

    Oh, you lowly humans, always seeing purpose where there is none. The 107 years is probably that the oldest year you can put as your birth year is 1900? I am also 107, (now 108 maybe) years old in my hi5 profile (not endorsing that craphole of hi5, I only signed up to be able to see my friends (as in people I actually know personally and care for) and of course, to mock Jesus publicly at the same time.

  464. #465 DingoDave
    April 2, 2008

    Posted by: nowoo #259
    “Did anyone else notice the Wilhelm scream at 1:39 as Aristotle falls down the well?”

    Thanks for your keen observation nowoo, I hadn’t noticed it before you pointed it out.

    As to the question about whether the video either promotes or opposes the scientific method; it looks to me as though it throws everything onto the table, and then lets the chips fall where they may, according to the pre-dispositions of the individual viewer. (sorry about the mixed metaphors)

    The inclusion of the ‘Wilhelm scream’ is simply icing on the cake.

    What a clever composition. Bravo!

  465. #466 DingoDave
    April 3, 2008

    If you liked that, then try this. ‘MC Hawking, A Breif History of Rhyme’

    http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/233937#

    and then click on ‘WATCH THIS MOVIE’, then ‘PLAY’.

  466. #467 DingoDave
    April 3, 2008

    Or listen this.
    ‘F*ck the Creatoionists’, which you can find here:

    http://www.dizzler.com/music/MC_Hawking/Fuck_The_Creationists

  467. #468 DingoDave
    April 3, 2008

    Edit #456

    Or listen to this.
    ‘F*ck the Creationists’, which you can find here:

    http://www.dizzler.com/music/MC_Hawking/Fuck_The_Creationists

    Sorry. So many typos, so little time.

  468. #469 JRQ
    April 3, 2008

    So, I don’t know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but on the Expelled website (I won’t link to it) there is a link to a little jib-jab style video of the same cut-out-heads-on-bodies doing the can-can.

    On Vox Day’s blog (I won’t link that either), the commenters point this out as evidence “the machine” video was created by (or commissioned by) the Expelled group. Are they right?

    Well, if you watch the Expelled “can-can video”, you’ll notice immediately there is a clear difference between it and “the machine” — a difference we’ve been talking about all along (which Vox’s crowd unsurprisingly can’t seem to detect): The can-can video is doesn’t seem to contain anything resembling, or indicative of, wit.

    The humor content in the can-can video seems to consist exclusively of “silly-looking atheists dancing around in dresses.” It’s a little disappointing, but it shouldn’t be surprising — that’s what creationists think is funny. Its entirely in line with the level of sophistication of Dembski’s farting noises, or with Expelled itself. Like farting noises, silly dancing atheists are sort of funny, but are rather far removed from the clever lyricism and references of “The Machine”.

  469. #470 Tim
    April 3, 2008

    Pure genius!
    We’re not worthy!
    We’re not worthy!
    We’re not worthy!

  470. #471 Nick
    April 3, 2008

    i don’t know how some of yall are missing it but it is definately a pro-Expelled piece, mocking the perceived arrogance and agressiveness of Dawkins and company (depicting that the academic science community has become a machine-like institution trying to silence dissedents). “idiocy isn’t squeeling” probably means that ID believers are not squeeling as they are confronted with the new atheists. it says “ministry of science propaganda” in the beginning – which would not be in support of atheism. i think there is a skull in the upper portion of the globe and maybe something in the middle. i think the rapper may be the christian hip-hop artist KJ-52. the voice sounds like his, has a similar style, and is hilarious like he always is with his music. he probably teamed up with a bunch of young people in support of Expelled.

  471. #472 lightning
    April 3, 2008

    their target audience is you. they want you to see the movie so that you understand the other side of the debate. this debate has not been won. that’s why it has been going on so long, as the video shows.

  472. #473 LOLZ At tha BRITEZ
    April 3, 2008

    Y’all been viral videoed by the EXPELLED crew!

    Amazing how all these “brights” missed that part…
    …and the Dennet Drunk reference
    …and the sarcasm in the “he’s smarter than you”
    …and the questioning of AS.

  473. #474 amk
    April 4, 2008

    So, I don’t know if anyone has pointed this out yet, but on the Expelled website (I won’t link to it) there is a link to a little jib-jab style video of the same cut-out-heads-on-bodies doing the can-can.

    On Vox Day’s blog (I won’t link that either), the commenters point this out as evidence “the machine” video was created by (or commissioned by) the Expelled group. Are they right?

    What a crock. One minute’s research reveals that this is a pre-packaged JibJab “sendable” clip designed to be modified by the end user. It is not custom made for Expelled. Expelled haven’t even hosted it properly – wrong MIME type.

    http://www.jibjab.com/sendables/247/Starring_You/The_Can_Can

    Don’t be concerned about linking. The commenting software here automatically adds the property rel=”nofollow” to links, so Googlebot will completely ignore them, including for page ranking purposes.

  474. #475 Lilith
    April 6, 2008

    No doubt this was created to make fun of evolutionists. Isn’t it amazing how, occasionally, the IDers can be intentionally funny? How exciting! We may be witnessing actual genetic drift within the ID camp!

  475. #476 Chrys
    April 6, 2008

    “Science silenced that watchdog wingnut Paley”

    “We might have lost at Scopes, beaten down by the dopes,
    and the stooges of popes, but in losin’ we coped,
    becomin’ more than we hoped,
    creationists slipped on the soap of their own slippery slope”

    “while you churchies all cry, shouting ‘why God oh why,’”

    Wingnut, dopes, stooges of popes, and churchies?
    If this was made by IDiots, they sure are being hard on themselves

    Also with the references to “creationists foldup”, “creationists slipped on the soap of their own slippery slope” and the “the age of sciences will rise to be religion’s demise” – this is not something that Idiots would write or endorse.

    I think this video was not made by the IDiots; far too funny for their kind, but I may be completely wrong – who knows, maybe the IDiots do have some intelligence after all.

  476. #477 Cheezits
    April 6, 2008

    So, what ever happened to the person who posted the link to the video in the first place?

  477. #478 ennui
    April 6, 2008

    The first link that I saw was from TheModestAgnostic.

  478. #479 Cheezits
    April 6, 2008

    The first link I saw on this blog was from someone called Elphin. I wonder how they found out about it.

  479. #480 catta
    April 6, 2008

    What a crock. One minute’s research reveals that this is a pre-packaged JibJab “sendable” clip designed to be modified by the end user. It is not custom made for Expelled. Expelled haven’t even hosted it properly – wrong MIME type.

    Funny you should say that. I actually sent a little email about this off to JibJab support, who had this to say in response:

    You can trust that this is definitely an abusive situation. Our business development team has never reached out to the makers of Expelled, nor has our company approved using the Sendable in their own player.

    No idea if they’re going to follow up on this or let it slide. But hey, I like JibJab and they deserve to at least know that people are misusing their stuff.

  480. #481 Greg Laden
    April 6, 2008

    This is clearly an anti-evolution production. I don’t see why there is any doubt about this.

  481. #482 miko
    April 6, 2008

    Yikes, I hope some of you are embarassed at not recognizing someone parodying our side.

    Yes, confusing because it was actually witty and well done, but the message is obviously on the Expelled side.

  482. #483 Max
    April 7, 2008

    It was actually pretty clear to me that this was a parody of the “Darwinist” crew from an expelled viewpoint. To me that only makes it all the more hilarious. Were it not so ridiculously far from reality it might fall into the category of threatening and insulting, but it is. And let’s face it, to imagine any of this crowd as actual rappers is just too funny.

  483. #484 Thanny
    April 7, 2008

    I can’t believe there are still people who think it’s a creationist video.

    Maybe they’re all focusing on the braggadocio, which (as others have pointed out), is nothing but a function of the genre – rappers are shameless self-promoters.

    The “expelled” bit is blatant parody (of what the creationists are claiming), while the lyrics are well-informed and obviously pro-science.

    I wish the video’s creators would just come forward already and set the record straight, so I can stop feeling compelled to write up posts like this.

  484. #485 windy
    April 7, 2008

    Y’all been viral videoed by the EXPELLED crew!

    So how come all the funny went into this clip and none of it (by most accounts) into the actual movie? I think that violates the 2nd law of thermodynamics…

  485. #486 Roslager
    April 7, 2008

    This discussion has made me realize that most hip-hop and rap videos that feature a rapper and his posse were created by the rapper’s enemies in the easy-listening-music establishment with the intention to ridicule the rapper.

  486. #487 Cheezits
    April 7, 2008

    Over a week later, “It’s obviously pro-creationism!” and “It’s obviously anti-creationism!” I love it. :-D

    And still, the Elphin in the room has surprisingly little to say on the subject.

  487. #488 Parrotlover77
    April 7, 2008

    I think the beginning is clearly supposed to parody how Expelled (and fundies/IDers in general) protray science and scientists — building big evil “machines” telling us “don’t worry” and then ejecting any dissenting scientists. The “expelled” forehead stamp shows the source being made fun of.

    But when the rap comes on, it sets the record straight. The lyrics (posted a couple times in the comments above) clearly take a pro-science stance.

    Funny as hell, though. Wow. Loved it.

  488. #489 bigsexy
    April 8, 2008

    “meh” sums it up.

    taxing chorus. old ground.

  489. #490 ReligionIsACrutch
    April 9, 2008

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2fDVRnCSlM

    I think I have exposed who is responsible for this.

  490. #491 386sx
    April 9, 2008
  491. #492 JamesSp.
    April 12, 2008

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2fDVRnCSlM

    I think I have exposed who is responsible for this.

    ==

    Do you know nothing about Canada at all? Do you think it’s all backwater towns, fishing villages and igloos?

    Imagine you found out that this uploader lives in LA. Would you still assume that this video must have come from the Expelled crew, since Ben Stein (who lives in Malibu) is within the radius?

    Plus, British Columbia is notoriously atheistic and liberal (even by Canadian standards).

    Seems pretty unlikely that you’ve uncovered anything major, although it’s nice to know that he/she might live in Vancouver.

  492. #493 Physicalist
    April 12, 2008

    Well ReligionIsACrutch, that is interesting. I think I’ll just wait and see, though (once bitten, twice shy, and all that). I will say that if it was made for the Expelled folks, it sure gave an awful lot of comfort to the enemy. (Yankee Doodle comes to mind . . .)

  493. #494 quietthomas
    April 12, 2008

    By appearing to stay ambiguous in public, the expelled guys are generating a sense of controversy which will no doubt convert to profit. Thank modern programing for bit-torrent!

  494. #495 HE
    April 17, 2008

    Ad #465: Chrys, I agree with your stance but I hear the line “Science silenced that watchdog wingnut Paley” differently. I think the text is “Science silenced that watchdog wiener Paley”. There are multiple plays on words here, summarised below. I find this extremely witty and scientifically literate, like many of the other small gems in the lyrics.

    Paley is a watchdog in two senses: he watches the orthodox interpretation, and introduces the watch analogy famously attacked by Dicky D in his book.

    A “watch dog wiener” is a play on “hot dog wiener” (the type of sausage that goes into a hot dog)

    Paley is a wiener (i.e., a dick)

    Wienter-Paley is a famous theorem/integral in maths.

  495. #496 Jiminy Cricket
    April 27, 2008

    Excellent piss-take of evolution and its proponents, thanks for the laugh! What’s even more funny is watching the typical over-analysing of the evolutionists on here about something that is actually taking the micky out of them and they don’t even know it! :-) A few have caught on, not many.

    Funny thing is, I constantly see humor from creationists and clarity, but alot of seriousness and emotionalism from evolutionists and contrived complexity. Usually they rely on putdowns towards creationists as a mask for underlying annoyance that their theory is in crisis and is being further challenged as time goes on.

    This video is a riot! If it wasn’t meant that way, it sure backfired.

  496. #497 Pip
    April 27, 2008

    The best way to get these guys looking silly, is to make a video that “appears” to be pro evolution, watch them all crowd around in mutual admiration, missing the big picture, whilst they make fools out of themselves in the process. Giving eachother little virtual pats on the backs in who can outdo who in creation putdowns, whilst the creationists sit back, shake their head and laugh.

    The evolution gang mentality :-)

  497. #498 Jiminy Cricket
    April 28, 2008

    If you really want to have a laugh at these clowns on here who can’t even see the blatant obvious p*ss-take of this creative youtube video, with all the ongoing visual and verbal signals that even a child could “get”, take a look at the source of it
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUt7nZdUJIk&feature=related

    You questions are now answered. How to make a monkey out of an evolutionist? You don’t have to, they do it themselves. But thanks for the laughs guys, you were almost funnier than the video! Trust me, you’ve had a lot of people laughing.

  498. #499 Lachlan Hunt
    April 28, 2008

    I think it’s funny how this video was made by Michael Edmondson, of Float On Films which is associated with Premise media who made Expelled, but many atheists felt it was too clever to be made by creationists.

    It’s clear, at least to me, from the intro that it’s promoting the idea of a scientific conspiracy to reject intelligent design and expel scientists who believe it, even though most of the lyrics in the actual song take a pretty good shot at creationists.

    For instance, Lyric’s like “[Dawkins] is smarter than you, he’s got a science degree” fairly accurately sums up the position of intelligent design proponents within the scientific community. And “creationists slipped on the soap of their own slippery slope” nicely alludes to the slippery slope fallacies, such as that used in the film of Evolution leading to Nazis

    I think, even though the video itself has clearly been a viral success, the actual propaganda they wanted to promote has been sidelined by the more accurate, yet ironic, message that the whole Evolution/Intelligent Design controversy is a farse.

  499. #500 Sophia
    June 4, 2008

    This WAS hilarious, it was clever and such and adorable

    but the message makes me laugh even harder. it’s hilarious how the makers tried to make science look dogmatic, yet the message itself is ignored because of the adorableness of our beloved atheists of note. haha

  500. #501 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    Float On Films which is associated with Premise media

    no, it’s not.

    they were contracted by Premise to make the vid.

    that’s it.

    Edmonson is not a creationist.

    oops, there goes your false sense of schadenfreude.

    moron.

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