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Watch out, if you signed up for one of the Expelled showings, you might find your email address shared with more people than you expected.

I think John ought to sell his newfound mailing list — it’s jam-packed with the gullible, so it would be rather valuable to the unscrupulous.

In slightly related news, Wired wrote up the latest incident, and did something irritating: they illustrated it with the stupid picture of Stein in short pants. I’m thinking I should break out my shorts and have my knobby knees in a counter-illustration.

Comments

  1. #1 SpotWeld
    March 31, 2008

    I should break out my shorts and have my knobby knees in a counter-illustration.

    What, no kilt?

  2. #2 GumbyTheCat
    March 31, 2008

    Add a guitar and you can tour with AC/DC!

  3. #3 George
    March 31, 2008

    That’s okay. I assumed that, so I used the email I use for stuff that triggers junk email to sign up – no worries there.

  4. #4 Sastra
    March 31, 2008

    I should break out my shorts and have my knobby knees in a counter-illustration.

    You just can’t stop trying to kill off people’s faith in God, can you?

  5. #5 Glen Davidson
    March 31, 2008

    I see that their dearly spoken desires for fostering dialog between “Darwinists” and their detractors proceeds like it always has, by trying to prevent any dialog with the former at all.

    To be fair to them, they do seem to at least be aware that they can’t compete in any free marketplace of ideas, nor can their complaint that they’re not allowed to present their BS stand up to any sort of scrutiny.

    That is to say, while they’re probably in denial, they’re quite afraid of exposure. Hence they (like their lies) are vulnerable to exposure, and, contrary to Nisbet and Mooney’s counsel, we do well to pound away at the vulnerable position in which their intellectual dishonesty leaves them.

    Glen D
    http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

  6. #6 Glen Davidson
    March 31, 2008

    IOW, they’ll always mess up, because they’re trying to shore up a pack of lies that isn’t even internally consistent.

    Plus, they’re so worried about their lies being exposed that they act rashly, without coming up with a story with which they can stick.

    Glen D
    http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

  7. #7 Richard Eis
    March 31, 2008

    Well, i don’t know about writing about your FRUSTRATIONS and RAILING against the IDiots. More like trying not to laugh at their complete ineptitude.

    PZ 2 (including the own goal), ID 1 (under false pretences)

  8. #8 Denis Loubet
    March 31, 2008

    I think Wired could have chosen a better word than “railed”, dammit.

  9. #9 Sarcastro
    March 31, 2008

    Strong Bad: Oops! Lookit that! I dropped a CD of five-thousand email addresses!

    Bubs: Whoops! I dropped a quarter for each one!

  10. #10 Tulse
    March 31, 2008

    Yow — the Expelled folks better hope Prof. Lynch is a nice person, as I can imagine all sorts of mayhem that could be caused with those addresses and some simple mail spoofing (“Dear Expelled ticket holder, the screening you have signed up for has been moved to the following location: Cheaters Gentlemen’s Club…”).

  11. #11 GBruno
    March 31, 2008

    The audio of PZ “crashing” the call can be found at http://www.skepchick.org.

    Scroll down to find the appropriate article.

  12. #12 Glen Davidson
    March 31, 2008

    Oh, and Kevin Miller (who wrote Expelled with Stein) has this to say about his primary audience:

    You’ll have a difficult time finding any thinking Christian who believes in a literal ark anymore, Rich.

    Posted by: Kevin Miller | March 31, 2008 at 11:42 AM

    kevinwrites.typepad.com/otherwise_known_as_kevin_/2008/03/best-documentar.html#comment-108899512

    To be fair to him, he does back off from that claim:

    I’m not saying they’re not out there, Cheezits. And despite the fact my original post was somewhat derogatory, I’m not saying people who believe such things are stupid or ignorant. They just have a different perspective on biblical inspiration than I do. So I should probably revise my original statement to say, “Not all Christians believe in a literal ark, particularly those who have done a thorough study of the possible sources for that story.”

    Posted by: Kevin Miller | March 31, 2008 at 12:34 PM

    kevinwrites.typepad.com/otherwise_known_as_kevin_/2008/03/best-documentar.html#comment-108905852

    My response to him:

    Actually, Kevin, I’d appreciate you advertising the fact that the literalists aren’t “thinking Christians,” since they’ll likely be your primary audience.

    I’d also be extremely surprised if you, say, insert this opinion onto the “Expelled” site.

    kevinwrites.typepad.com/otherwise_known_as_kevin_/2008/03/best-documentar.html#comment-108916890

    I’d call this potential ammunition.

    Glen D
    http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

  13. #13 winky
    March 31, 2008

    PZ,

    tomorrow, for April Fool’s, could you explain the evolution of the human penis to us.

    many thanks

  14. #14 Brownian, OM
    March 31, 2008

    Given that people like “boughtbythecross” and “covenant-dad” can’t even sign up for an email account without without splooging on Jesus, one has to wonder why they’re so taken with with a non-Christian idea like ID. (I mean, it’s not like they specify that the Designer is the god of Abraham or anything like that.)

  15. #15 bigjohn756
    March 31, 2008

    All right, Sastra! Very funny!

  16. #16 HidariMak
    March 31, 2008

    Didn’t the Expelled team recently announce their promotion to theater owners, mainly “show our crappy movie instead of something decent for a chance to win $1,000″? I guess selling e-mail addresses to spammers is how they plan to raise that capital. I also guess that theater owners saw a better profit by more than $1,000 when they aired disasters such as Alvin & the Chipmunks, Gigli, and Battlefield: Earth than they might with Expelled.

    Speaking of their big budget, did anyone hear if the Expelled soundtrack is legit? The Killers, John Lennon’s estate, and others are likely outside of Expelleds budget, but their songs were used in the preview screenings anyways.

  17. #17 daenku32
    March 31, 2008

    LOL. The ‘moderator’ on the call sounds like Bill Lumbergh (from Office Space)

  18. #18 James F
    March 31, 2008

    #12

    You’ll have a difficult time finding any thinking Christian who believes in a literal ark anymore, Rich.

    Ken Ham will be so disappointed.

  19. #19 James F
    March 31, 2008
  20. #20 dave
    March 31, 2008

    Sung to the tune of Carnival Music,

    Step right up please
    And behold the knobby knees
    Of the king of the kneebones.
    Better stand back twenty feet
    Or these knobby knees will eat you up.

    One is bald and one is hairy.
    Hide the children, it’s too scary!

  21. #21 Matt
    March 31, 2008

    I think PZ would be better off changing into that bling gear from that youtube video. Pity he didn’t get the pimp hat.

  22. #22 Ichthyic
    March 31, 2008

    I think John ought to sell his newfound mailing list — it’s jam-packed with the gullible, so it would be rather valuable to the unscrupulous.

    I can’t resist…

    PZ, didn’t you sign up on the website?

    :P

  23. #23 Milo Johnson
    March 31, 2008

    That photo was intentionally staged and chosen out of most likely hundreds of pictures taken during the photo shoot to portray Ben Stein in a humourous light, with his knowing cooperation, participation and probable approval. Just because it’s used by someone else to portray Ben Stein in a humorous light that isn’t favorable to him doesn’t make it wrong to use. If you don’t want photos of you blowing donkeys used against you, don’t blow donkeys, or at least don’t pose for photos of you blowing donkeys!

  24. #24 Brownian, OM
    March 31, 2008

    I think John ought to sell his newfound mailing list—it’s jam-packed with the gullible, so it would be rather valuable to the unscrupulous.

    I don’t understand. Don’t the producers of Expelled already have this list?

  25. #25 Brownian, OM
    March 31, 2008

    If you don’t want photos of you blowing donkeys used against you, don’t blow donkeys, or at least don’t pose for photos of you blowing donkeys!

    Now you tell me.

  26. #26 Warren
    March 31, 2008

    “I should break out my shorts and have my knobby knees in a counter-illustration.”
    Don’t forget to play “Bad to the Bone” when ya do.

  27. #27 jeh
    March 31, 2008

    Here’s the link for the Expelled site’s privacy policy–no easy opt out (see “Do we disclose your personally identifiable information to third parties?”)

    http://www.expelledthemovie.com/privacy.php

    Act quickly or expect to get some unusual offers from third parties from now to the end of time.

  28. #28 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 31, 2008

    So:

    1) The E?pelled! people are stupid enough to throw the e-mail addresses of their customers around in public.
    2) Kevin Miller is sane enough to not consider people who believe in the Ark “thinking Christians”, but stupid enough to tell his audience that.

    E?pelledgate is ballooning at a rate approaching that of the expansion of the universe. I actually hope it doesn’t trigger the Big Rip.

    The stupid oxide… <headshake>

  29. #29 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 31, 2008

    So:

    1) The E?pelled! people are stupid enough to throw the e-mail addresses of their customers around in public.
    2) Kevin Miller is sane enough to not consider people who believe in the Ark “thinking Christians”, but stupid enough to tell his audience that.

    E?pelledgate is ballooning at a rate approaching that of the expansion of the universe. I actually hope it doesn’t trigger the Big Rip.

    The stupid oxide… <headshake>

  30. #30 Glen Davidson
    March 31, 2008

    re #12, Kevin Miller has changed what he’d written previously. Instead of:

    You’ll have a difficult time finding any thinking Christian who believes in a literal ark anymore, Rich.

    Posted by: Kevin Miller | March 31, 2008 at 11:42 AM
    kevinwrites.typepad.com/otherwise_known_as_kevin_/2008/03/best-documentar.html#comment-108899512

    It’s now:

    You’ll find that a lot of Christian don’t believe in a literal ark anymore, Rich.

    Posted by: Kevin Miller | March 31, 2008 at 11:42 AM

    He writes further down in a post: “Glen: I’ve amended my comment to better reflect my point of view.” Uh, yeah, that’s why you did it.

    Even if that were the case, the dishonesty of the attempt to “change history” is appalling.

    Glen D
    http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

  31. #31 Ichthyic
    March 31, 2008

    Now you tell me.

    Merciful Cthulhu, who/what did you end up inviting to that party in your pants the other night?

    I left way too early.

    :p

  32. #32 Ichthyic
    March 31, 2008

    Even if that were the case, the dishonesty of the attempt to “change history” is appalling.

    if not unexpected.

  33. #33 MAJeff, OM
    March 31, 2008

    Now you tell me.

    Canadians.

  34. #34 Bill
    March 31, 2008

    We at Motive Entertainment are committed to protecting the privacy of our customers, and we treat any information you share with discretion, care and respect.

    Like emailing it out to everyone else who gave us their information…

    This is a huge violation of their privacy policy and constitutes a security breach. I believe their correct course of action should be for them to contact everyone in their database and let them know that their personally identifiable information had been deliberately distributed (this is too moronic to be an accident) against their privacy policy and to fully disclose the impact of the violation. Very embarrassing…

    Oh wait! I bet they try to blame in on PZ. I mean, that guy was able to hack their teleconference. Who knows what kind of mad hackzor skillz he might have?

  35. #35 Ichthyic
    March 31, 2008

    Who knows what kind of mad hackzor skillz he might have?

    LOL

  36. #36 Ted D
    March 31, 2008
    Who knows what kind of mad hackzor skillz he might have?

    LOL

    Posted by: Ichthyic | March 31, 2008 6:36 PM

    Oh, you’re laughing now, but just you wait. You can type really fast with that many tentacles.

  37. #37 Ichthyic
    March 31, 2008

    Oh, you’re laughing now, but just you wait. You can type really fast with that many tentacles.

    actually, that many arms are hard to control.

    I bet it all balances out

    somehow…

    besides, I’d bet my ten fingers on a standard keyboard against 8 arms (and a couple of tentacles) any day.

    now a keyboard DESIGNED for cephalopods, OTOH…

  38. #38 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 31, 2008

    1) The E?pelled! people are stupid enough to throw the e-mail addresses of their customers around in public.
    2) Kevin Miller is sane enough to not consider people who believe in the Ark “thinking Christians”, but stupid enough to tell his audience that.

    3) Kevin Miller is at war with Eastasia. Kevin Miller has always been at war with Eastasia.
    4) World Magazine tries to praise E?pelled!, but doesn’t know what “risible” means.
    5) Kevin Miller himself doesn’t know what “risible” means.
    6) Kevin Miller is too stupid to use a dictionary. Instead, he rushes to blog about the supposed praise E?pelled! has received.

    Expect one new item in this list every 10 minutes.

  39. #39 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 31, 2008

    1) The E?pelled! people are stupid enough to throw the e-mail addresses of their customers around in public.
    2) Kevin Miller is sane enough to not consider people who believe in the Ark “thinking Christians”, but stupid enough to tell his audience that.

    3) Kevin Miller is at war with Eastasia. Kevin Miller has always been at war with Eastasia.
    4) World Magazine tries to praise E?pelled!, but doesn’t know what “risible” means.
    5) Kevin Miller himself doesn’t know what “risible” means.
    6) Kevin Miller is too stupid to use a dictionary. Instead, he rushes to blog about the supposed praise E?pelled! has received.

    Expect one new item in this list every 10 minutes.

  40. #40 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 31, 2008

    Merciful Cthulhu

    ROTFLMAO!

    now a keyboard DESIGNED for cephalopods, OTOH…

    Hey, the QWERTY keyboard isn’t designed for fast typing anyway.

  41. #41 David Marjanovi?, OM
    March 31, 2008

    Merciful Cthulhu

    ROTFLMAO!

    now a keyboard DESIGNED for cephalopods, OTOH…

    Hey, the QWERTY keyboard isn’t designed for fast typing anyway.

  42. #42 Ichthyic
    March 31, 2008

    Expect one new item in this list every 10 minutes.

    LOL

    Breathtaking inanity on parade!

    I’m getting diabetes from all the sweet irony these idiots generate on a daily basis.

  43. #43 Sven DiMilo
    March 31, 2008

    “I never! had sexual relations with that donkey–with Miss Lewasskey.”
    -Brownian Clinton

  44. #44 Geral
    March 31, 2008

    I went to the Expelled website and I STILL can’t get passed the “No Intelligence Allowed!” banner!

  45. #45 defectiverobot
    March 31, 2008

    OK, here’s why the movie is going to flop: I was just poking around their website and I noticed a little button that will find a theater that’s showing the alleged movie. I clicked it and looked for a theater in Chicago that was showing it…and there wasn’t one. The closest is in the town of Addison, which is about 20 or so miles west of the city.

    There isn’t a single theater in Chicago proper that is showing this movie. Is this because of some athiestic conspiracy (as the producers will surely argue)? Doubtful. It’s probably because most theater owners are savvy enough to know that the movie is going to bomb and there’s no economic reason to take the time and effort to project a movie to an empty theater.

    Ironically, the movie will be showing in Batavia, a town which has it’s entire economy virtually wrapped up in the success of it’s most famous resident: Fermilab. Frankly, I’d love to go see it at that theater if I knew if any of the Fermilab scientists were going to it.

  46. #46 defectiverobot
    March 31, 2008

    Oh god, Geral, what does that say about me? I got past the “No Intelligence Allowed” banner!

  47. #47 Monado, FCD
    March 31, 2008

    I don’t know. I saw a documentary of some group going to the Middle East to find the wreck of the Ark. They got all excited when they found some old timbers half-way up a mountain and declared success. Their find turned out to be the ruins of a Crusader fort from about 900 years ago. It was one of the innumerable ways in which broadcast media pander to the risible.

  48. #48 dsmvwld
    April 1, 2008

    it would be rather valuable to the unscrupulous.

    So it would be valuable to, well, you, PZ. Yes? After all, you unscrupulously used the teleconference code for two way calls and then blamed it on the filmmakers.

  49. #49 Rey Fox
    April 1, 2008

    And he feels really bad about it, too.

  50. #50 themadlolscientist
    April 1, 2008

    No! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! NOT THE KNEES!!!!!!!!!

    Speaking of knees, my Enquiring Mind has wanted to know from the very beginning:

    What were Expelled‘s promoters – who (supposedly) want us to take their idiot flick seriously – thinking when they put a 60-something guy wearing an old-style short-pants prep-school uniform on all its posters, anyway?

  51. #51 themadlolscientist
    April 1, 2008

    Oops, forgot this:

    What, no kilt?

    Yeah, the kilt would be a much better choice – complete with a sporran in the shape of an octopus. Or better yet, a squid, with those additional two sexy penises tentacles.

  52. #52 Lilly de Lure
    April 1, 2008

    What were Expelled’s promoters – who (supposedly) want us to take their idiot flick seriously – thinking when they put a 60-something guy wearing an old-style short-pants prep-school uniform on all its posters, anyway?

    I think they felt that if it worked for Angus Young it could work for Ben Stein.

    Chalk it up to yet another epic fail from the Expelled Crew!

    Apart from anything else, if those knees are intelligently designed by anyone s/he either has an exceptionally nasty sense of humour or wasn’t taking his/her meds that day!

  53. #53 wazza
    April 1, 2008

    Lilly, your comment reminds me of the old Billy Connolly joke: one day, when the angels were putting man together, they approached God and told him that they had a surplus of elbow skin. God considers for a while, then tells them to make little bags of it, to carry the mens’ testicles, and prevent them from having to carry them in their hands… but the angels failed in the aim of their task, and ever since Man has had to keep one hand on his balls.

  54. #54 phantomreader42
    April 1, 2008

    defectiverobot:

    Oh god, Geral, what does that say about me? I got past the “No Intelligence Allowed” banner!

    Well, you are a DEFECTIVE robot, after all. :P

  55. #55 defectiverobot
    April 1, 2008

    I was rather hoping the defect wasn’t obvious…

  56. #56 Tim Fuller
    April 1, 2008

    What you worried about PZ? These fools probably couldn’t pick you out of a crowd if their life depended……ooops.

    The email lists of their hardcore ‘believers’ are already prescreened for people who believe fantastic tales with no basis in fact. A marketer’s dream and the President’s ‘Base”.

    Enjoy.

  57. #57 Michael
    April 2, 2008

    I’ll tell you what’s PZ is worried about. If the film was pro-creationism or not. If the film producers were as direct like me who say right out, I’m doing a film that is going to about creation science verses Evolution science, and I would like the Evolutionist side represented. Most likely PZ wouldn’t do it, how many evolutionists would have the guts to do such an interview knowing the overall production isn’t favoring their position? And then be opinionated later on.

  58. #58 wazza
    April 2, 2008

    Michael, when PZ was asked to do this, he was told the film would be a balanced look at both sides. Otherwise he wouldn’t have done it, because creationists have a reputation for twisting peoples’ words through creative cutting and quote-mining.

  59. #59 karen
    April 2, 2008

    Someone – via anonymous remailers – has been spamming assorted Usenet newsgroups (I’ve seen variants posted to alt.history, alt.archaeology, alt.politics, alt.publish.books, alt.sci.planetary, seattle.politics, alt.gossip.celebrities, rec.arts.tv), exhorting readers to see “Expelled”; the latest missive urges people to rent a theatre to screen it themselves, or to contact their local theatres to urge them to screen it …

  60. #60 m?rc m?rc m?rc m?rc m?rc
    December 31, 2008

    thank’s

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