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Category: Kooks
Posted on: March 10, 2008 2:49 PM, by PZ Myers
Here's more pernicious ignorance that we have to deal with: this is Oklahoma State Representative Sally Kern, benighted hate-monger, babbling lies.
Well, there is one part that is accurate, when she states that "We're not teaching facts and knowledge any more, we're teaching indoctrination", which is exactly right … at least in reference to her remarks.
(via Pam's House Blend)
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A legislator, Sally Kern,
Was simply voicing her concern,
But Sally Kern was unaware,
Or if she knew, she did not care,
That someone had a microphone
So Sally Kern was not alone.
"Oh, I'm not anti-gay" said Sally,
To the fifty-person rally;
"But there are things you have to learn"
And who will teach us? Sally Kern.
Sally Kern, she knows the answer--
Knows how gays are like a cancer,
Knows they're worse than terrorists
If Sally Kern can keep the lists.
So Sally Kern must raise her voice
Against unhealthy lifestyle choice;
The cost of life against God's Word
Is clear, the people gathered heard:
Disease and death, and then you burn
In Hell, or so says Sally Kern.
Then Sally Kern, in pure effrontery,
Tells us gays will harm our country:
If we embrace these sinful ways,
Says Sally Kern, allowing gays
To join the City Council ranks
Or work in schools, or stores, or banks,
Our country would be tempting fate,
And all too soon would be too late.
Now, such a stance may seem too stern
But heed the words of Sally Kern;
If we let gays live right among us,
Soon, like mold, or creeping fungus,
Even straights will be infected--
Sally Kern wants us protected.
The path to safety is God's Grace:
We must protect the human race.
Sally Kern just wants us purer...
Right. Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fuhrer.
http://digitalcuttlefish.blogspot.com/2008/03/ballad-of-sally-kern.html
Posted by: Cuttlefish, OM | March 10, 2008 2:55 PM
What an adorable little bigot. I bet she's the type that switches tags at WalMart and gives the poor minimum-wage clerk a hard time when the register shows a problem.
And she taught school for more than 20 years....
I hope her death is protracted and painful.
Posted by: Brownian, OM | March 10, 2008 2:57 PM
Since the Soviet Union has fallen, I'm not sure who's funding the Homosexual AgendaTM and our attempts to destroy the family and society. It could still be the Joos, who were also behind communism, but my bet is on the Free Masons. They've been at this shit for a while. Those Saudis have been getting tricksy lately, too, though.
I need to get myself on the finance committee so I can see contracts. Being on the implementation committee leaves one out of the loop from time to time.
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | March 10, 2008 2:59 PM
Cuttlefish, I love you.
Posted by: Nentuaby | March 10, 2008 3:02 PM
Hey folks, cut her some slack, eh! She can't help being born nasty.
Posted by: Richard Harris | March 10, 2008 3:10 PM
Deep down inside she obsessively fantasizes abour chewing Pamela Anderson's carpet.
Posted by: shrimplate | March 10, 2008 3:13 PM
Shrimplate, is that so wrong? I mean taking into account it's probably as disease-ridden as a rare burger from Denny's.
And remember, the Saudis are the good Muslims in Conservitania, they give money. It's probably Saddam and Bin Laden working together to fund the gay bombs that are secretly being detonated in our schools and the atheist drugs that are in vaccinations.
Posted by: Patrick | March 10, 2008 3:22 PM
Would (almost) rhyme if that were the correct spelling. But no, it's Führer, and pronounced in a quite different way. You know what the French u is like? That's it. I'll try to find a soundfile.
Absolutely wonderful poem apart from this, though!
You're thinking in a way too complicated way. It's teh libruls. Who else?
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 10, 2008 3:22 PM
There's a very brief video about this on CNN.com. They have some level-headed responses from a gay group, and reactions by Sally Kern and folks on the street. There's a lingering shot of her hand with a Christian fish ring.
At the end of the piece, they let Kern and some random folks at a gas station try to spin this as a free speech issue. It's not. Kern has every right to be a hateful, ignorant bigot. However, these extremist, inflammatory statements indicate a dangerously distorted worldview, making her less than a competant leader. I hope it's safe to say that she does not represent her constituents.
As an American, Kern's free to speak as she wishes. Gay and straight Americans have fought and died to establish and defend this right. But as an elected official, she is accountable for her lunatic delusions.
Posted by: Spaulding | March 10, 2008 3:23 PM
I hope it's safe to say that she does not represent her constituents.
She does. Welcome to America. As Molly Ivins said (I'm paraphrasing): "If you took all the crooks, idiots, and bigots out of the legislature, it would no longer be a representative body."
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | March 10, 2008 3:25 PM
Well I agree with her. I am your typical American male. I do not dress too fancy or elegant or whatever word is politically correct these days. I also tend to throw my sock on the floor and leave them their until they can support agricultural life. I eat pizza...every single day. And finally, four more words...beer...beer..beer...
So here I am a typical American male and I would like...??? what? ..Oh, Ok...and "Beer." So back to what I was saying. Once the "gays" have their way, I will have to pick up my socks and clean my apartment. Not only that, I will have to wear clothes that have been washed after every time I wear them! EVERYTIME!!! That is simply un-American! Did our founding fathers was their clothes everyday!? I think not!
Next, I will have to eat such nasty foods as goose liver foie gras and smelly ol' fish eggs. Pizza will only be allowed if I go to fancy brick oven places where the wine lists are confusing and the waiters are all better looking than me. It pisses me off that they could steal my date away in a second if it wasn't for the fact they were also part of the gay agenda!!
So I would like to say I agree with this woman who is simply fighting for my rights! I means, I gotta be me, yeah?
Posted by: Lago | March 10, 2008 3:26 PM
Lewis black on the gay threat
Posted by: J Daley | March 10, 2008 3:32 PM
I have generally found that gay people who support the gay agenda, ie. treating gays like anyone else, are open about their sexual orientation while they are campaigning for office.
This strikes me as being the opposite of "infiltrating", or sneaking in stealthily.
I wonder what she thinks of all those self-loathing closeted homosexual conservatives "infiltrating" her Evangelical Churches & Republican Party?
Don't Ask - Don't Tell.
Posted by: Jaycubed | March 10, 2008 3:34 PM
The Oklahoma House of Representatives recently passed House Bill 2211, which allows students to express their religious views in school settings. It even goes so far as to guarantee that if students want to respond to the question of the Earth's age on a science exam with the answer "6,000 years old," that the school must credit the reply as "correct." Aside from being an obvious affront to Science and Knowledge everywhere, it also manages to make a mockery of our educational system.
Another charming provision of the bill is that it allows students to declare at school-sanctioned assemblies that others must accept Jesus as their personal savior or go to Hell as a consequence. Nice.
In its attempt to ensure equal-opportunity stupidity, this bill also allows for, say, Wiccans, to promote their brand of Nature-nuttiness or the more radical faith-followers to call for outright assassination in their advocacy of religious fantasy.
Texas has an almost identical bill of late on their books. Maybe the middle of the country just wants to secede and rename itself "Godland."
Can't these dimwits just play their little god-games in the privacy of their own heads and houses of worship?
Apparently not.
Posted by: michael dorian | March 10, 2008 3:37 PM
Michael, I see you're new to bushzarro world. We am not followers of facts and knowledge.
Posted by: Patrick | March 10, 2008 3:45 PM
I say we dust off and nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure....
Cheers.
Posted by: Fastlane | March 10, 2008 3:48 PM
Is it time to feed the Christians to the lions yet?
Posted by: Eric | March 10, 2008 3:48 PM
Eric, that's a cruel thing to do to lions.
Posted by: Patrick | March 10, 2008 3:49 PM
Reminds me of our ex-friends who told us that they'd rather their daughter was in an abusive relationship with a man, than a happy loving relationship with a woman.
I'll just never be able to understand people like that.
Posted by: Robert Thille | March 10, 2008 3:50 PM
I left Oklahoma in part to get away from ignorant hillbilly women like Sally. As for House Bill 2211, I just discovered from a web search that one of my cousins who went into Oklahoma state politics as a Republican, Chris Benge (son of my mom's sister), has gotten promoted to the Oklahoma House's Speaker. That could make for an awkward family reunion some day.
Posted by: Mark Plus | March 10, 2008 3:50 PM
Is it time to feed the Christians to the lions yet?
People like this do help one to understand the Romans' point of view, not that I'd recommend violence. But go ahead, feed them to the lions, in a metaphorical sense. Rip 'em to shreds.
Posted by: Candy | March 10, 2008 3:54 PM
Actually, no. It was approved by the Education Committee, but has not been voted on by the entire House yet. If you assume a straight party line vote, which isn't a given, it would pass the House, since the Republicans hold a 57-44 majority. However, the Senate is split evenly down the middle with Democratic Lt. Governor Askins acting as it's President.
Posted by: carlsonjok | March 10, 2008 3:59 PM
I suppose she's talking about that bigot god that Christians worship, i know my Zeus would never condone such vile words in his name.
It's a disgrace really, this Christian god is tarnishing the reputations and divinity of other, obviously less bigoted gods just because in their arrogance Christians appropriated the term to be the actual name of their god.
Posted by: Dutch Delight | March 10, 2008 4:04 PM
You're thinking in a way too complicated way. It's teh libruls. Who else?
of course.
that's why we're mostly broke.
it takes a lot of money to fund this stuff in the face of Bushco.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 10, 2008 4:08 PM
She should practice free speech. She should also understand that many adults find her views abhorrent. Let her go to the public square and voice her opinion. Just like the edu-bigots of Dover. Gee, has she no courage of her convictions? She'll cry matrydom but is unwilling to lose anything for her Xstianity.
Posted by: Mold | March 10, 2008 4:10 PM
Since PZ does us the kindness of providing a forum where we can react to idiocy without self-censorship, here is what I have to say to Sally Kern:
Fuck you, asswipe.
Posted by: Tom | March 10, 2008 4:13 PM
The comments are going wild on that youtube video. There's a LOT of ignorant reality-twisting bashers defending that whore there.
Posted by: Michelle | March 10, 2008 4:21 PM
There's a LOT of ignorant reality-twisting bashers defending that whore there.
well, she had to get elected by somebody, right?
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 10, 2008 4:22 PM
@Ichthyic: Right. Eesh. It makes me sick that there are folks thinking like that.
They're right that she has the right to freedom of speech, but they make it seem as we don't have the right to call her a fucking twisted bitch for it.
Posted by: Michelle | March 10, 2008 4:32 PM
I blogged about the Sally Kern hate speech when it first came out last week, and today I put up another one about her name tied to an anti-science bill that passed the OK House. As someone from Oklahoma, I promise you we're not all like her.
Posted by: Jessika | March 10, 2008 4:34 PM
Re MA Jeff
Don't forget the Illuminati, the Bilderbergers and the Skull and Bones Crowd.
Posted by: SLC | March 10, 2008 4:39 PM
Well, Sally Kern is obviously welcome to say and believe whatever she pleases; she has that right. The problem I have is that people actually voted this ugly woman into office. Did they know she was such a swill-gurgling bigot when they cast their ballots?
Posted by: Dan | March 10, 2008 4:42 PM
P.S. Cuttlefish totally Godwined Sally Kern!
Posted by: zer0 | March 10, 2008 4:43 PM
It may be time to get rid of all that rainbow shit and bring back the pink triangle....
well, at least get rid of all the rainbows.
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | March 10, 2008 4:45 PM
They're right that she has the right to freedom of speech, but they make it seem as we don't have the right to call her a fucking twisted bitch for it.
of course; double-standard is the name of the game.
they keep seeming to think that saying: "Freedom of MY speech only" is the same thing as freedom of speech in general.
It's why the whole "teach the controversy" nonsense is such a laugh, logically speaking, as the same double-standard applies.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 10, 2008 4:46 PM
I CAN HAZ KRISTENZ?
Posted by: Leo | March 10, 2008 4:54 PM
Sigh... bang head on wall. Repeat.
To all non-okies, please accept my apology for the environmental, psychological, and financial damage caused to the country by "representatives" of my state (Inhofe & Coburn at the fed level, Kern and many many others at the state level...). Is there a more blighted state, representatively-speaking? Kern is a foul hag and it does not surprise me at all that she would say these things - it's horrifying that they ever let her near children.
Nice response from today's O'Colly, the campus newspaper at OK State; maybe there's hope! (?)
http://ocolly.com/2008/03/10/responding-to-lawmaker%e2%80%99s-anti-gay-speech/
PS - Great poem Cuttlefish!
Posted by: MLo | March 10, 2008 4:55 PM
Aren't the rainbows really supposed to stand for diversity anyway?
"i know my Zeus would never condone such vile words in his name."
Zeus would probably be more like, "The flamers? That's Dionysus' department. I hurl thunderbolts. At pretty much anyone."
Posted by: Rey Fox | March 10, 2008 4:58 PM
Aren't the rainbows really supposed to stand for diversity anyway?
But they're EVERYWHERE!
Last time I went to P-Town all I kept thinking was, "Oh, goody. Another gift shop filled with rainbow crap. Just what we need."
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | March 10, 2008 5:04 PM
You see, Cuttlefish's mind is about 50 times faster than mine. Maybe more. It's at times like this when I realize why I'll never receive my OM. I mean, I realized I never would some time ago, but I need to be reminded once in a while WHY I never will.
My point, though...
I bet we all underestimate the number of people who will agree with her. On OKC? Man, she has a majority. This could move her up in the polls there.
Unlike Eliot Spitzer. Wow, that's dysfunctional. How's he going to last the day?
Posted by: MikeM | March 10, 2008 5:05 PM
Unlike Eliot Spitzer. Wow, that's dysfunctional. How's he going to last the day?
Hire Billy Graham as a "spiritual advisor?"
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | March 10, 2008 5:08 PM
I hurl thunderbolts. At pretty much anyone."
EOS
(equal opportunity smiter)
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 10, 2008 5:08 PM
Here's another disgusting misrepresentation and quotemine from the DI, this time by Anika Smith:
Of course that's transparently about the bill with the Orwellian name "academic freedom." Here's the rest of the quote:
Glen D
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7
Posted by: Glen Davidson | March 10, 2008 5:20 PM
It's at times like this when I realize why I'll never receive my OM.
I wouldn't be too sure. Marisa Tomei called to congratulate me the day you guys awarded me one.
Posted by: Brownian, OM | March 10, 2008 5:21 PM
Next to belief in The Coming Armageddon (as a GOOD thing), I think the belief that "God punishes nations that fail to obey His Commandments" is one of the most dangerous, politically pernicious beliefs in Christianity. While not all versions and sects have retained it, there's more than enough Biblical support for it to remain in enough of them to interfere with rational government.
Really. If you believe that God notices and cares about the salvation of the community before He notices or cares about the salvation of the individual, there's none of that Jeffersonian "whatever my neighbor believes about God neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg" nonsense. It WILL break your leg -- when the country as a whole is punished. Thus, you've got a positive duty to stop people from doing things that harm nothing and no one but God -- in order to protect yourself from God.
Scary.
Posted by: Sastra | March 10, 2008 5:21 PM
reminds me of something Dan Savage had to say on the subject of rainbows, at least peripherally. My google-fu is weak today; I couldn't find the original anywhere, so I'll paraphrase from memory:
something like "Driving around Seattle with a small rainbow on your car is not 'out'. 'Out' is driving through North Dakota with a huge bumper sticker that says 'Big Fag'".
Posted by: thalarctos | March 10, 2008 5:24 PM
This - is - SPARTA!
Posted by: J Daley | March 10, 2008 5:27 PM
According to Ms. Kern, Eureka Springs has been taken over by the 'homosexual agenda.'
In unrelated news the Homosexual Agenda for World Domination (HAWD) released the following statement:
Today Eureka Springs! Tomorrow the World! Bwa ha ha ha ha!
Posted by: Chris | March 10, 2008 5:48 PM
David Marjanović, OM
I'd counter that the poem is in English, and the rhymes-with-purer is actually the English pronunciation of the German word.
Listening to this crank, I think it's time to go on the offensive: let's teach biblical scholarship to students. I think kids need to know there's no evidence of Noah's ark, that there's no fucking way Israel existed before 900AD. That there's no evidence of King David, and there SHOULD be. That the Exodus is a complete fabrication, etc. And, hey, maybe scholarly views differ... then we should teach the controversy. Fuckers.
Posted by: inkadu | March 10, 2008 5:49 PM
er, 900 BC, rather.
Posted by: inkadu | March 10, 2008 5:59 PM
Dammit. Why would she have to come from my state!
Tho, I'm not surprised, this is the most closed state in the union.
There are more churchs on each corner than their are gas stations (in some cases 3 churchs on some corners...its annoying)
Posted by: Neill Harmer | March 10, 2008 6:00 PM
...
...how the hell?!
Posted by: syntyche | March 10, 2008 6:06 PM
What people like Sally Kern cannot understand is this, it is parents who believe like she does that makes life hellish for those children who are GLBT. Too many young people have killed themselves off because they were rejected by their families and fell into despair. Too many young GLBT end up on the streets (And the shortened life expectancy that comes with street life.) because their parents kicked them out.
Of course, in her little tirade, there is no talk about how GLBT people destroy society. But, like most homophobes, she seems to be implying that being exposed to the idea of homosexuality makes people gay. Otherwise, why does she see it as a threat? Oh, yeah, right, the idea of homosexuality makes the invincible big sky daddy ill to the core.
"Shame on the person who didn't have the courage to come and say, 'I'm going to tape you and put it out on YouTube,'" she said.
What? She was too afraid to be this clear about her beliefs to the general public? Maybe she knows that if she kept things vague, she could deny she thought this way.
Shame on Sally Kern for not being truthful about herself.
Posted by: Janine, ID | March 10, 2008 6:09 PM
What's 'OM?'
Posted by: defectiverobot | March 10, 2008 6:14 PM
What is it with religious people and sex anyway? It seems the more fervent they are, the more hang-ups they have about human sexuality. The religious mind must offer all kinds of safe harbor for repression of all types, sexual and otherwise, to flourish.
Posted by: Alex | March 10, 2008 6:17 PM
Wow, that's motivational! Of course, I'd be compelled to tell my wife, who's about as hot and, for some reason I still can't figure out, married me (WHAT was she thinking??).
Posted by: MikeM | March 10, 2008 6:26 PM
I posted the following on a political forum yesterday (www.demokie.com). Silly Sally Kern has constantly introduced bills pushing her religious/creationist views. So far, all were eventually defeated, except for one (HB 2211 'Religious Viewpoints Antidiscrimination Act' that is now in the Oklahoma legislature. We are vigorously fighting this bill. Five organizations, including Oklahomans for Excellence in Science Education (OESE) have issued press releases against this proposed legislation, which is identical to one that became law in Texas last year. The same bill has now been introduced in Arizona.
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"One of her [Sally Kern] House colleagues that has to tolerate her told me: "She is dumber than a board!" Even some Republicans rolled their eyes at her words pushing HB 2211 in the House Sub-committee on Common Education. Much of her stuff likely comes from her spouse, the pastor of Olivet Baptist Church in OKC. He was ushered out (by the cops to his fancy convertible) at a lecture given by anti-creationist speaker Barbara Forrest at the OU Museum a couple of years ago. He was creating a disturbance by loudly shouting that he wanted equal time, no one was present at the creation so evolution is false, etc., etc.
His church also held a workshop for teachers where they were told that it was legal to teach creationism in science courses due to the Santorum 'amendment' to the No Child Left Behind bill. This is, of course, totally false as the Santorum stuff was NOT part of the law! It was only in a committee report and the Santorum words were not included in the law. We had someone who attended the workshop and made a full report."
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Posted by: VHutchison | March 10, 2008 6:27 PM
A little secret?
See, there are three verses in the Bible where Ezekiel the prophet explains exactly why God took out Sodom and Gomorrah. Homosexuality? Nope.
In fact, if you look it up, you'll see it's got Sally Kern's name on it. Oklahoma may not be a safe place to be these days, if Sally Kern's close by: Ezekiel 16.48-51
Why don't these fools ever read their own blessed book?
Posted by: Ed Darrell | March 10, 2008 6:27 PM
Cuttlefish is front-loaded? :)
Posted by: thalarctos | March 10, 2008 6:33 PM
Sally is busy, busy, with the Lord's work --
Also that year [2006], she introduced HB 2107, a measure that would have allowed teachers across the state to teach a range of scientific views on the theory of evolution. Supporters said the change would have given teachers the academic freedom to present the scientific debate on evolution; then students could think critically about the views and form their own opinions. Critics said it was a veiled way to bring religion into the classroom and teach intelligent design, which supposes that the universe is the work of an "intelligent cause."
The House passed the bill, 77-10. It died in the Senate.
(from http://newsok.com/article/3214388/1205182355)
Posted by: Joe Bob | March 10, 2008 6:37 PM
I'm a member of the ACLU so that she can say her hateful, ignorant speech, and so that I can tell her to go fuck herself with shotgun. And I don't care that someone might overhear me say that.
Posted by: Dahan | March 10, 2008 6:46 PM
ooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOK!!!
-Lahoma, where the stoopid comes sweepin down the plain...
Where the wavin stoopid
Can sure smell stoopid
When the stoopid comes right behind the rain!
yeah, needs work.
But as a formert resident of the state in question, I do believe I have captured something of the essence that is Ok!lahoma.
Vic Hutchison excepted, of course.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | March 10, 2008 6:46 PM
OM=Order of the Molly
Posted by: Stevie_C | March 10, 2008 6:48 PM
Off-topic: I love the new "top 5" list which I just had on the sidebar. "Top Five Most German". Other posts are just weakly German.
Posted by: Blake Stacey | March 10, 2008 6:56 PM
the link is broken. The page currently links to a slide show sponsored by the LGBT. It is interspersed text quotes with pics of people holding signs. No sources, no video.
Posted by: bill r | March 10, 2008 7:06 PM
Now if she had just said that "Greys [big eyed aliens] are infiltrating the city council," that would interesting, albeit kooky. At least it could make a good X-Files episode.
Alas, it's just the standard hate-speech. And remember that for her, it's not hate speech if she as a Christian says it--she's just tellin' it as it is. But if you ever criticize her behavior as a Christian, then it's pure hate speech, persecution, etc. Help me, save me please, Ben Stein!!!!
Reminds me of a religious extremist in our state that told a reporter that she sees the world only in terms of black and white with respect to all controversial issues.
Posted by: jeh | March 10, 2008 7:15 PM
Sven: Thanks for 'excepting me,' but I assure you MANY in Oklahoma despise Kern and her ilk. I would also point out that, unlike the neighboring states of Texas, Kansas, Arkansas, and Louisiana, Oklahomans prevented creationist bills, textbook disclaimers, changes in teaching standards, etc., from becoming law for the past 10 years. Of course, we do have the current HB 2211 to continue fighting this year.
Although Oklahoma received an 'F' from the Fordham Foundation for teaching standards not mentioning 'evolution,' the standards (PASS) do call for teaching all of the principal concepts of evolution. The absence of the word 'evolution' was clearly a political maneuver. Some of the history of the past battles in Oklahoma is covered on the OESE web site (http://www.biosurvey.ou.edu/oese/). We have a long way to go, however, to be sure teachers teach what the standards require - the same is true in many states.
Posted by: VHutchison | March 10, 2008 7:17 PM
MLo- thanks for the link to the college kid's response, good to know that our universities, even in that state, continue to be bastions of reason. The writer chose to replace the word "homosexual" with the word "jew" to compare her to Hitler (though Hitler killed gays too, so it wasn't really necessary lol) but I'll go one further. If the word "nigger" was used instead, she would be resigning in disgrace by tomorrow. I guarantee it. I'm all for free speech, she has the right to say whatever she wants without fear of being jailed, but a hateful bigot like that has no business making laws in this country. The voters would oust her in a heartbeat if she'd said anything about just about any other minority group in the country. But we gays, contrary to her paranoid delusions, don't have the kind of leverage necessary to produce that groundswell of outrage. To a majority of this nation (and if I'm exaggerating there, it's definitely a majority of Christians in this nation) gays are not equal to straights. We apparently choose to find the same-sex attractive, so we can be discriminated against. If they had to admit that at puberty we went through the same shit they did, and had no choice in the matter, they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. We are an aberration and ungodly, so our rights really don't matter, because we represent one last outcast group that they can use their god to bash.
Posted by: paul | March 10, 2008 7:27 PM
She said: "studies show" that those countries that have fully adopted the homosexual lifestyle don't last more than a few decades (or something very like that).
Does anyone know of a country which went down the gurgler after adopting the homosexual lifestyle? Is there a single case of a person becoming gay after following someone's example?
Posted by: Roger Scott | March 10, 2008 7:34 PM
Syntyche:
A quick peek over at Cuttlefish's den implies the verse was completed independent of PZ's post, hours earlier (the video's been making the rounds for a while now.)
Somehow I can't be disappointed. He may not be superhuman...er...supercephalopod...but he still rocks. :)
Posted by: rrt | March 10, 2008 7:40 PM
Replace "gay" and "homosexual" with "Jew" or "Bolshevist" or "Nigger" and you get a better understanding of the sort of people "social conservatives" and "Family Values" candidates really are. They're Nazis-redux.
Posted by: Andy James | March 10, 2008 7:46 PM
I have been hanging out at Pam's House Blend longer than I have been here. I have found that after three or four years of reading that blog that there's still stuff that straight people have to learn. I used to think that Don't Ask, Don't Tell was something that protects the rights of gay people to serve in the military, for example, but it's another version of "Stay in the closet or else!", for example. There have been a quite a few times that I have stayed out of discussions because I knew that I didn't have the knowledge of the issue to have an informed opinion. This hag seems to be (in her mind) an expert on the matter because she memorized a few facts that reinforce her biases. It's the same thing that creationists seem to do too. They also seem to think that when people disagree with their ideas, it is because we are christian-bashing. Maybe if they stopped blaming their stupidity on being a christian, christians would get more respect in general. In the last few years I have gotten to the point that whenever someone is bragging (deadly sin, no?) about how pious and how devout they are, I really don't feel like I can trust them. The more they talk, the more slimey they seem to become. It just seems like decent Christians don't have to shout about it on tv or post blustery replies about liberals and gays on the Internet. They aren't doing it for applause.
Posted by: Mena | March 10, 2008 7:49 PM
#68 Does anyone know of a country which went down the gurgler after adopting the homosexual lifestyle?
Is there such a country? I'm from western Europe, and as far as I can tell there are no countries that are inhabited entirely by homosexuals. Although I believe there are countries where very large closets are popular...
She's just an evil witch. Evil beyond even her own warped imagining.
Posted by: Ray M | March 10, 2008 7:50 PM
paul #67 wrote:
Oh, you are far too pessimistic. They also bash Wiccans and atheists -- enthusiastically.
Roger Scott #68 wrote:
She's just using the "study" of common sense. The actual quote is "Studies show, no society that has totally embraced homosexuality has lasted for more than, you know, a few decades." That's TOTALLY EMBRACED homosexuality -- which, of course, entails outlawing heterosexuality, and putting all those who attempt opposite-sex coupling in jail.
Now, do the math. How many decades does that society have? Assuming no integration. Not many, huh?
You don't need no fancy-pants "study" to figure that one out. Or previous example of such a society, neither. Darn tootin'.
Posted by: Sastra | March 10, 2008 7:55 PM
The following destruction of a wonderful state and song is unfortunately inspired by the present backward looking and ravening officials who have somehow lost touch with reality, offered with a tear and with apologies to Roger Hammerstein II) [the scansion may not be perfect]
Broad flat pate! Broad flat pate, gotta hood there mate!
Gonna rave you racist, sexist and peterfylers,
Pastor fer the cattle, polits and all haters!
Fevers, mores' the pity en the idiots roam,
Plen'y of air in cerebral dome,
Plen'y of room to swing a rope!
Plen'y of heart and plen'y of dope.
Oklahoma, where education's nothin' but a stain,
And the creos' bleat, their lord to meet.
When their wind makes our nation blush in shame.
Oklahoma, reps to constituents must lie,
Shout aloud not talk, and watch news faux- reason is they never wonder, why.
Your souls you have sold for a brand,
and the brand you believe in is bland!
And when we say--Yeeow! Dark ag-es here to-day!
We're only sayin' You're sling'in slime, Oklahoma! Oklahoma--Oi-vey!
Posted by: mothra | March 10, 2008 7:57 PM
Given that this wretch used to be a teacher, how about bets on who she "outed" for their own good. Maybe grades were lowered to accurately reflect good, Christianist values. Wonder if she was the liked or the hated teacher.
She most certainly did not voice her true opinions while running for office. Her words in the meeting support this and the Operation Harassment/Fundie march to local government warns officeseekers to avoid ever telling the public what they stand for. Dover should give an indication of why.
Posted by: Mold | March 10, 2008 8:02 PM
Representative Kern must have acquired her enlightened, tolerant attitude at the Olivet Baptist Church, where her husband, Steven Kern, is pastor. She certainly seems proud enough of her membership to list it on her official page.
http://www.olivetbaptistokc.com/
Nice to see they have so many (Hitler) Youth activities on the weekly schedule. I'm sure they'd be happy to learn of their success in spreading the good word. Why not drop them a line?
janela1019@sbcglobal.net
Posted by: fontinalis | March 10, 2008 8:12 PM
Oh c'mon. These morons hate everybody. Other Xians, especially the group run by the Antichrist, Catholics. Nonwhites. The Jews. THE MOSLEMS. The pointy headed intellectuals, scientists, wetbacks, nonwhites, Yankees, New Yahkers, and on and on.
I'm sure if you looked on this woman's To Hate and Kill List, >90% of the world's population would be on it.
Posted by: raven | March 10, 2008 8:13 PM
I dont know whats worse.....homo's with agendas or the tenured professor, latte drinking, "I know more than you do and my daughters an atheist lesbian," crowd.
Equally cringe inducing.
The lady is entitled to her opinion. She gets a classy "whore, bitch, asswipe" bar-b-queing from the lady you folks are .
Don't you have some kids paper to grade?
By the way. I don't believe in God and have nothing against homosexuals either. However, a lot of them are pushy and irritating.
Posted by: rk | March 10, 2008 8:20 PM
How DARE this woman call herself a Christian when she has power over men as a lawmaker & teacher.
1 Timothy 2:12
But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Shame on you!
It is clear that you will burn in Hell for eternity for your blasphemy.
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Posted by: Jaycubed | March 10, 2008 8:23 PM
How do dimwits like this get elected to anything? And it's not jusk Oklahoma. It's depressing to realize there are morons like this serving in every state and the US congress. And they keep getting reelected. Either people are ignorant of who they are voting or really believe in the same things as these dopes.
Posted by: Dumdum | March 10, 2008 8:32 PM
Posted by: shane | March 10, 2008 8:33 PM
a lot of them are pushy and irritating.
unlike yourself, right?
phht.
Posted by: Ichthyic | March 10, 2008 8:38 PM
#81
I just worked out the country that's headed down the gurgler... it's the good ol' god-fearin', bible-thumpin', bush-votin' US of A.
So there you have it. She was right, except for a couple of details: the country and the group causing the problem.
Posted by: Ray M | March 10, 2008 8:41 PM
Homophobia bingo with RK.
homo's with agendas. Tick.
...and have nothing against homosexuals either. However... Tick.
Posted by: shane | March 10, 2008 8:43 PM