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The odious Sally Kern
Category: Kooks • Politics
Posted on: March 16, 2008 10:07 AM, by PZ Myers
Remember Sally Kern, the Oklahoma legislator caught on tape babbling about the gay conspiracy? It's worse than it sounded: it seems Kern has a gay son who she has essentially deleted from her public life.
And these are the people who claim ownership of the word "family"…
Here's something even worse than the self-destruction of her own family: Kerns is the sponsor of Oklahoma House Bill 2211, the "Religious Viewpoints Antidiscrimination Act". You can tell from the title what it is: a bill that would privilege religious opinions over scientific information in public school classrooms. The story is all over the Oklahomans for Excellence in Science Education page, as you might guess. The bad news is that the HB 2211 has passed in the House and is on its way to the Oklahoma senate, where we'd better hope it gets shot down. Here's what it does:
The bill requires public schools to guarantee students the right to express their religious viewpoints in a public forum, in class, in homework and in other ways without being penalized. If a student's religious beliefs were in conflict with scientific theory, and the student chose to express those beliefs rather than explain the theory in response to an exam question, the student's incorrect response would be deemed satisfactory, according to this bill.
The school would be required to reward the student with a good grade, or be considered in violation of the law. Even simple, factual information such as the age of the earth (4.65 billion years) would be subject to the student's belief, and if the student answered 6,000 years based on his or her religious belief, the school would have to credit it as correct. Science education becomes absurd under such a situation.
Oklahomans, call or write your state senators NOW.
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Posted by: Cuttlefish, OM | March 16, 2008 10:26 AM
There's no hypocrite like an old hypocrite. Protesting too much is always a sign of duplicity since hypocrisy seems to be associated with a form of self-loathing in my observation.
She's probably gay too and thinks she's in deep cover by mindlessly shooting her mouth off.
Posted by: Caveat | March 16, 2008 10:42 AM
Family values.
Yeah right.
Posted by: maxi | March 16, 2008 10:52 AM
Actually, Kern's son is denying that he's gay. He insists that he is straight, just "celibate". In other words, closet case.
Posted by: Romeo Vitelli | March 16, 2008 10:55 AM
Er, Romeo, that's not *always* true, y'know. (Mind you given that this is the son of a gay-basher, the probability is high.)
Posted by: Nix | March 16, 2008 11:03 AM
The Speaker of the Oklahoma House, Chris Benge, is my first cousin (son of my mother's sister). That could make for an awkward family reunion some day.
Posted by: Mark Plus | March 16, 2008 11:28 AM
Good grades for failing. Does anybody else see the issue here? A religiocrazy "A" that is indistinguishable from the "A" of a real student. Must be that PatU Law isn't doing enough for wingnut welfare. Or that Horowitz's quota system for halfwits isn't placing enough in academia.
Posted by: Mold | March 16, 2008 11:30 AM
An "Antidiscrimination Act," eh?
Someone has to explain to these people that you are not being oppressed just because you're not being allowed to proselytize on the public dime.
Posted by: Molly, NYC | March 16, 2008 11:37 AM
And in other news, all trees are made of wood. (sigh)
Posted by: puckishone | March 16, 2008 11:39 AM
In order to avoid those types of discussions, I make a point of framing sensitive exam questions along the lines of What do geologists consider to be the age of the earth?", or "what does your textbook list as the principal lines of evidence supporting evolution?"
Posted by: N.Wells | March 16, 2008 11:40 AM
But what makes trees alive are the wood nymphs. Only half-credit for you, Mr. Scientist.
Posted by: inkadu | March 16, 2008 11:41 AM
This is really good news for me and the other conceivable adherents of Seven Elevenism, a belief system that has suffered discrimination since the days of the Sumerians. You see, we believe that Seven and Eleven are the Holy Numbers and as such must always be equal. In addition, two plus two is equal to five, except on Thursdays, when it's Seventy-Leven. After we die, if we're found worthy enough, we can enter the Celestial Convenience Store, with junk food and beer for all eternity. Now, to move to Oklahoma...
Posted by: moioci | March 16, 2008 11:42 AM
Kern, Schalffley, Sacarides, Keyes, Pete Knight...I know I'm missing a few, but what is it about right wingers that makes them such horrible parents as to hate their children and try to make life worse for them?
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | March 16, 2008 11:45 AM
Blasphemer! You must repent your evil ways and convert to the true faith that is Seven of Nineism!!! I am using far too many exclamation marks, so you know what I say must be true!!!!!
Posted by: Ted D | March 16, 2008 11:51 AM
It does seem to be a pattern.
IIRC, one of Oral Roberts kids broke away from him and eventually committed suicide.
Art Linkletter's daughter jumped out of a window. He blamed it on LSD but there is no evidence she was on drugs.
George HW Bush's kids all turned out pretty weird. Some of their kids ended up even weirder, one of Jeb Bush's kids had a serious drug problem and the rest all seem to drink a lot.
Must be all that cognitive dissonance, hate, hypocracy, and corruption.
Posted by: raven | March 16, 2008 11:58 AM
Posted by: ERV | March 16, 2008 12:01 PM
Wouldn't OK teachers just have students: compare and contrast your beliefs with the scientific facts presented in class. Your response should show your thorough understanding of material presented in class (including x,y,z) as well as a thorough understanding of your own point of view. If your view is the same as the viewpoint said in class, clearly state that this is so.?
Posted by: Mike Fox | March 16, 2008 12:02 PM
If I was a teacher in Oklahoma, it would be time to just give up and move somewhere else. It doesn't seem like wallowing in Voluntary Ignorance is a good long term strategy but the fundies don't seem to care. The DFN has always been economically backward with higher rates of poverty, child poverty and social problems such as teen pregnancy. This bill will just perpetuate their norm. Wallowing, it is not just for pigs anymore.
Posted by: raven | March 16, 2008 12:04 PM
PZ writes:
and links to a page at queerty.com where the only evidence for that "seems" is a quote from bluegrassfool.blogspot.com of a quote originally posted at www.topix.com by some "John in Oklahoma City" who alleges:
Talk about stereotyping. Words fail. This is evidence?
If you want to read what the son has to say, see the news article "Sally Kern's son denies reports he is gay" in the Mar. 15, 2008 edition of Tulsa World at tulsaworld.com.
In that article, he says he is celibate and denies being gay. He says he "I practice celibacy to give to my God." Whether you believe that or not, he also says:
Nor mine. Sally Kern's homophobia is hateful enough on its own.
Posted by: Daniel Murphy | March 16, 2008 12:05 PM
Surely the Pastafarians can have a real laugh with this? it seems perfect for them. Gravity? Ha! The force of His Noodly appendages conquers all!
Posted by: hen3ry | March 16, 2008 12:06 PM
moici - you may think that Oklahoma could be heavenly, but the Celestial Convenience Store there would only have 3.2 beer.
Posted by: snoey | March 16, 2008 12:15 PM
Lo and behold this thread pops up a day after I receive in the mail a message, from my lovely republican representative in Washington, asking me to support that shining piece of legislation, H.R. 888.
Gee. What ever shall I send in response to my wonderful representative?
Posted by: BlueIndependent | March 16, 2008 12:17 PM
Does it apply to College? If so, I'm totally moving to Oklahoma and finish my degree in Physics there. I'd love to have A+ on every single exam, using my belief of a Flying Spaghetti Monster.
Posted by: Simon C. | March 16, 2008 12:20 PM
How long before there is a scenario like this? A high school student refuses to sit through a class about The Civil War because hearing about how the North won goes against the student's belief that the Confederacy was God's chosen country. Or will not sit through a biology class when the lesson is on how all humans are related when that student's god wants all the races segregated. Or will not sit through a social studies class that is about any non-christian culture ranging from the Inkas through the Chinese?
Posted by: Janine, ID | March 16, 2008 12:23 PM
So...this bill makes it possible for all students to pay no attention in their science classrooms, fill in exam questions with bullshit ("religiously based" or not, as I am sure lazy students are just as good as making up excuses) and not be penalized? Neat. Why don't we just let religious kids opt out of science all together? Or pass similar bills for math and English? Wouldn't that be swell! Now, kids can go to school and not have to LEARN anything!
This makes me very, very sad.
Posted by: Feast on the Lake | March 16, 2008 12:29 PM
snoey @ #21:"...Oklahoma could be heavenly, but the Celestial Convenience Store there would only have 3.2 beer."
Suffice it to say that even in my batshit crazy cosmology, the CCS ain't in OK!
Posted by: moioci | March 16, 2008 12:39 PM
This is the exact same bullshit that was trying to worm its' way into Florida law.
Posted by: firemancarl | March 16, 2008 12:50 PM
Well the bible does talk about hating family members in order to be Christian. Kern is just taking the bible literally and hating her own child. I wonder if she'd known he'd be gay if she would have had an abortion. Afterall, if her son's being gay is worse that the 9-11 terrorist attacks she has the potential of saving thousands of people.
Oh wait, she's a loon. Nevermind.
Posted by: Doug | March 16, 2008 12:53 PM
My religion teaches me that the answer to all geology related questions is a badly drawn picture of Homer Simpson driving a tank through a field of bowling pins.
Posted by: tincture | March 16, 2008 12:55 PM
Pastafarians Rejoice!
Finally, parents in OK can rest assured that their little Warriors of FSM can get a qualtiy education that will prepare them for a life making pasta. What else do you need besides tomato sauce and parmesan to glorify all that is His High Whole-Wheat Noodliness.
Our Pasta, Who Art In Properly Salted Boiling Water
Ronzoni Be Thy Name
Thy Appetites Come
Thy Will be done, on plate as it is in Italy
Give us this day our Garlic Bread
And Forgive us our Twriling Spoons, as we forgive those that Twirl their Pasta
And lead us not into Leftovers
But Deliver us from Pizza
For thine is the Pirate Ship, and the Parmesan, and the Eye Patches, for ever and ever. R-amen.
I pray to FSM that you will all stop suppressing the truth that is Al Dente.
Posted by: bugsoup | March 16, 2008 12:55 PM
I'd like to see some kind of (at least nominally) objective third-party accreditation system for high school science curriculum; an ABET for 9-12.
I'm an engineering student at the University of Alabama, Huntsville. Pharyngula is nearly my only link to the world outside of the miasma of religious fervor that surrounds me, even in 300/400 level technical classes; fellow students have prayed loudly before class for my soul, shamelessly plagiarized Kent Hovind at me, and warned me against eating octopus sushi on the grounds that the suckers will pull my tongue off.
The mistakes they make both in class and out are indicative of people who never really got the basics; I have no doubt that they performed admirably in high school, but I'd be willing to bet that the science curricula under which they studied was a bit lacking. Some kind of independent accreditation could help to make sure that an "A" in Earth Science from Oklahoma or an "A" in Physics from wherever the Hovind-clone came from would be distinguishable from the grades I received.
First post, by the way, although I've been lurking for a while. I had to tell someone about the octopus thing, though; it was absolutely hilarious.
Posted by: Ian Maddox | March 16, 2008 12:56 PM
When I was in high school in the Sheldon school district of Houston back in '80-81, my high school biology teacher had an assignment for us.
Using a 20 foot roll of butcher's paper, we were to draw a timeline of the Earth, marking off different events, such as where certain species first appeared (and later disappeared), where different bits of geology happened, and finally - where humans first appeared. (We were allowed to "zoom in" on the last couple of inches of the butcher sheet bringing them to a couple of feet.)
Then, after explaining the assignment to the class (to the groans of "20 feet? That'll take forever!"), our teacher then told us that if anyone believed that the Earth was under ten thousand years old, they'd still have to do the project - using a biblical timeline.
It was to be our choice. Half the class chose the biblical timeline. The thought was that less time = easier assignment. (Not quite true - you just had a narrower focus. Of course, your "facts" could be more easily picked out of an encyclopedia & a bible, and didn't require a lot of that hard biology stuff!)
Way back then I was Christian. I chose the ten thousand year timeline. I really knew the biblical timeline - besides, I had Algebra to study! Anything to lighten my workload... right?
I still feel bad about that.
Posted by: Calladus | March 16, 2008 12:58 PM
Ian Maddox:
You can find octopus sushi in Huntsville? Wow, the place has globalized since I left.
Posted by: Blake Stacey | March 16, 2008 12:59 PM
The following letter to editor from a YEC creationist who has been spouting the same garbage since the early 80's gave me a good laugh. Needless to say, he did not attend my talk to which he refers. Anyone with a little knowledge of evolution and the history of biology can see his gross fallacies. I like his reference to 'gentlemen' - there were more women present than men. This is the crap we deal with in Oklahoma - and elsewhere.
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"DON'T FALL FOR FALSE GOD OF EVOLUTION
The Norman Transcript , 16 March 2008
[http://www.normantranscript.com]
"-- Editor, The Transcript:
In reference to the Democratic luncheon story in the March 8 issue of The Transcript, it is ironic that an evolutionist, the retired zoology Professor Victor Hutchison, would try to further worsen the relationship Democrats already have with God by asking them to deny that God created the world. They are already in big trouble with God by insisting it is lawful to murder unborn children (About 48 million in the last 45 years--Hitler would be jealous). Of course the other planks in their platform, the redistribution of wealth etc., would make Stalin proud.
"A 2005 Harris poll showed that 73 percent of Republicans and only 58 percent of Democrats believe that God created man. So please Victor let's not make it any worse for the Democrats. Oh, another poll showed that only one out of 20 biologists believe in God. So that is why so many Christian kids get blown away in biology or zoology classes. In engineering we don't brainwash, but teach hard science backed up with facts.
"I wonder if Victor explained to the gentlemen that all of the proposed theories of evolution have collapsed. These theories were; Lamarckism, then Darwin's first attempt -- Pangenesis, Haeckel's fake drawings of embryos (still used in some biology books today) Neo-Darwinism mutations, Hopeful Monster Mechanism of Richard Goldschmidt (i.e. a reptile laid an egg and a bird hatched out, etc, etc.), and variations on the Hopeful Monster -- Punctuated Equilibrium, and Quantum Speciation, (these sound so much more scientific), Marxist Saltation Monsters, and my favorite laugh, is the last one conjured up ... Panspermia. These all so nicely agree with the lack of evidence.
"There is not one iota of evidence for evolution. Unfortunately, many have been brainwashed by teachers like Prof. Hutchison into thinking it is true. Others aren't so sure, but not wanting to believe that after they die they will have to face a Judge and a Judgment, they latch on to evolution. They don't want to believe that a holy God laid out commandments, for us. They would rather believe that they could do anything that they wish, with no consequences. But God will not be mocked. Victor Hutchinson and Edward Blick are both old retired professors, well past their prime. We will both die sooner than our loved ones wish, and we will both meet Holy God. It is appointed unto man once to die, after that the judgment. There is a holy God that died for you and who loves you. Please don't fall for the false god of evolution, but turn to the one, true God.
EDWARD BLICK
O.U. Emeritus Professor of Engineering"
Posted by: vHutchison | March 16, 2008 1:05 PM
bugsoup#30 wrote:
No pizza??!! Ok, the Pastafarians just lost me ...
I'll also join in to mention that I read the same article on Sally Kern's son, who denies being gay. Ok, fair enough. It's a bad idea then to use this as another example of someone in the religious right with a gay child fighting against gay rights. Going on to argue that because he's "artistic" or "celibate for God" it's probably only a cover is not only blatant confirmation bias, but unfair to the young man on a personal level (it also gets into the 'bigoted' area itself: "music major? He's gotta be a fag.") Tch tch.
Posted by: Sastra | March 16, 2008 1:11 PM
Hmmm... Lawyers draft a bill that will almost certainly lead to litigation. Brilliant idea! Business is slow, so they introduce a bill that will potentially lead to more lawsuits!!
Posted by: Barry | March 16, 2008 1:12 PM
A god could have created human life without any afterlife or moral obligations. Theists assume that their god has to arrange the universe for their convenience, when it doesn't have to do anything of the sort.
Posted by: Mark Plus | March 16, 2008 1:17 PM
"Last Tuesday Bill Gates testified before Congress saying that on the economic front, America "is at a crossroads" and will almost certainly become a second-rate economy without massive attention to science & engineering in schools and changes in government policies toward innovation."
Thank you Sally! This is exactly what we need. Let's give our children the ability to write literally anything on an exam without having the fear of being marked incorrect. Our exam scores will skyrocket! I'm assuming that our economy will follow suit.
Posted by: Barry | March 16, 2008 1:22 PM
"Religious Viewpoints Antidiscrimination Act" = "Spare Religious Viewpoints from Reality Act".
Posted by: Scott | March 16, 2008 1:34 PM
Sastra#35 said: "No pizza??!! Ok, the Pastafarians just lost me ..."
Don't worry, He is pretty flexible (no pun intended). That is why He created The Eight "I'd Really Rather You Didn'ts".
Posted by: bugsoup | March 16, 2008 1:38 PM
Hey Vic! I left a comment, but I dont see it anywhere?
Posted by: ERV | March 16, 2008 1:40 PM
It is easy to see Sally Kern and her cobigots as a cross between the three stooges and Godzilla. After all she is amusing in a horror show sort of way.
But it isn't quite as funny when you think about what they are attacking. Our civilization. Toynbee pointed out that 18 of 22 civilizations fell from within. Our civilization will fall someday. And when it does, the people holding the knife and gutting it will look a lot like Sally Kern and her gang of cultists. It may even be them. Damn, I was hoping the USA would hold together for at least my lifetime.
Her bill merely legalizes the norm, Voluntary Ignorance. Did I ever mention that these people are sick in the head, stupid, and evil?
Posted by: raven | March 16, 2008 1:47 PM
Daniel wrote
It is sad that people felt it necessary to spread these rumours about Kern's son. Sally Kern made her hateful comments, let's not go after the rest of the family and be nothing much better than that which we oppose.
Posted by: PvM | March 16, 2008 1:56 PM
heh. I din't know that Cuttlefish does haikus...
Posted by: demallien | March 16, 2008 1:57 PM
Blake Stacy:
I'm a transplant; haven't gotten desperate enough to try the local sushi offerings. On the other hand, a bunch of army bigwigs are moving down here soon - a bevy of hifalutin' restaurants are opening up in preparation, including a couple that are actually really quite good. Things are looking up culinarily, if not intellectually.
I'm still chasing the career I picked as a 5-year-old, trying to learn how to build spaceships. Can't decide whether it's Sally Kern that should be on the first one, or myself. :D
Posted by: Ian Maddox | March 16, 2008 1:59 PM
As a current college student I fully support this bill. Why? Because now I will never get a question wrong on a test. Ever.
"I'm sorry, professor, but my religious beliefs require me to answer that Jesus is the President."
Posted by: Joshua Arnold | March 16, 2008 2:05 PM
I am so frikkin tired of this canard that without god there are no consequenses to ones actions and therefore no morality. When in reality, it is exactly the opposite, it is these fundamentalists who believe that simply "accepting Jesus" gets one into Heaven regardless of one's actions in life. It is atheists who realize that this life is it baby, and you'd better make the best of it because there is no "heavenly reward" afterwards. That it is in the here and now that consequences for ones actions will occur. And I am also so damn tired of hearing this kind of shit coming from the mouths of my fellow engineers, people I believe should be firmly grounded in reality and rationality.
Posted by: SteveM | March 16, 2008 2:07 PM
Hmm, psychotic AND sociopathic, that's a rare combination.
Posted by: Bill the Cat | March 16, 2008 2:08 PM
Canonically, the Sally Kerns of the world go on the "A" Ark....
Posted by: Eamon Knight | March 16, 2008 2:13 PM
I suggest that all colleges and universities work together to develop a test to distinguish baptards from legitimate students as a part of the regular admissions process. That will force the baptards into the 'bible colleges' where they can get the 'edumacation' they truly deserve.
Hey, the world needs ditchdiggers, too.
Posted by: Awk & Pshaw | March 16, 2008 2:14 PM
Awk & Pshaw, we had to take math and foreign language tests for appropriate placement at my uni. If you took 4 years of Spanish in high school but you couldnt pass the test, you were placed in Spanish I. If you had taken Calc in high school but you couldnt pass the math test, you were put in the appropriate lower level math course.
You could do the same with science/history, if you had to. Or you could just flunk Bio 101 or Bio 102, like the Creationist kids in my classes...
Posted by: ERV | March 16, 2008 2:21 PM
Hey Raven, don't worry. If the cultists ever take over the USofA there will still be us godless secularists over the pond here in Yurp. Today's Grauniad had a nice article about Anglican country vicars at war with their ageing and dwindling flocks (down to single figures at services) who won't let the vicars remove some pews so the buildings can be more useful than just for one hour a week. This is in villages where the pub and the post office closed years ago. All they need to do is wait a few years for the crusties to cark it and the community can have the building, without awkward tennants.
I see that the latest local ex church here has finally found a buyer, there is building work going on though I don't know what it will be. Still zoned commercial though, we already have one with an Indian restaurant downstairs and a snooker hall up on the main road. Oh and newish flats suspiciously located on the churchless church road.
When my saintly mother went to the big presbyterian church while visiting she reported the minister requesting that the parisihioners do more to attract men, yup over populated by little old ladies, like my Mum.
In a couple of generations there will hardly be any left. Been going on for a while. We live in a 1960s estate up the hill from the village centre with the churches and the shops etc. No new churches up here. Older suburbs closer in to the city, just postwar, have the only modern churches in the city. IOW by the sixties congregations were already declining to the point that it was not worth building new churches for all the people moving in. There is lots of new house building locally too, and still, no new churches. We are truly a post xian nation, the corpse has not quite stopped twitching, but it won't be long. Oh and if the theocrats over there get jiggy with the military, why then we can just cuddle up with those nice Russians....
Posted by: Peter Ashby | March 16, 2008 2:27 PM
Double-gah.
I'm having trouble telling reality from satire these days. I guess I'm not the first person to admit to this...
Posted by: Kseniya | March 16, 2008 2:28 PM
I am a longtime follower of the IPU, only partly due to my gluten intolerance. I don't worship no new fangled deities.
Posted by: Peter Ashby | March 16, 2008 2:29 PM
If it happens, there might well be an exodus of intellectuals simply as a matter of self preservation.
To some extent this is happening on the west coast of NA. My relatives go to a church in an upper income area. Because it is an expensive place to live, most of the residents tend to be older. There are around 300 members. Almost none of them are people with children. They don't really have enough kids for day care or sunday school. The majority of the congregation is old, and mostly older women.
These are mainline liberal Xians and they rarely say anything about fundies but when they do, it is obvious they don't like them.
No idea what it is like in the bible belt. It may be different or it may not be. It would take someone more curious than me to brave the muck and find out.
Posted by: raven | March 16, 2008 3:01 PM
Actually, I view this as good news. It is in the same category as politicians that wear their religion on their sleeves. My reasoning? Basically, that any light shown on the superstitious will eventually show it for what it is. Unreal. Don't get me wrong. There can be a significant lag time in some cases. An example is evolution. It's been over 150 years since Darwin first wrote about his observations. But does anyone in this audience really think that the truth of science will not eventually win out? I take a much longer view than most. Science will not win out, that it is the truth of the nature of reality, until long after all of us are dead and gone. Big steps mostly come in small foot shuffles. I believe that in a thousand years humans will look back, much as we look back at the Enlightenment and they will see that this time was the last hurrah for the superstitious.
The truth and beauty of science is that it is self correcting. That is, it will never become static. It will always change as we collect more information. There can be no orthodoxy unless the orthodoxy is that there will always be change. I and my descendants can live with that.
But back to Oklahoma. Politicians like Mike Huckabee, whom I've read is a young earth creationist, and Sam Brownback, a dominionist of the creepiest order, need to have their views widely disseminated. By doing so their ideas are exposed to the light of day. If a politician brings his religion to the public square then his decisions are open to public scrutiny and question. Would anyone in the twenty first century believe a politician who stated that hurricanes were becoming more prevalent because Poseidon told him so? I don't think so. I think that in the thirty first century humans will view current superstitions in the same light as we view first century superstitions. Archaic.
I know. I know. Oklahoma. Let those educators teach those kids that way. As they get older they will see that their education has not prepared them for the real world. This will keep them out of the best jobs. And perhaps force them into a society of their own making. The implications of this type of segregation are immense. Can you say secession? Can you see a secular U.S. and a theocratic U.S. of G.(od). Don't laugh. Stranger things have happened. All this is not without great upheaval and pain. But science will triumph over religion. Of that I have absolutely no doubt. Self correction based on new evidence makes it so.
Posted by: Thomas Williams | March 16, 2008 3:06 PM
#56 I'm very nervous about any big war pitting the rational and secular against the fundamentalists. Because if we won and they were backed into a corner, let's say they had access to nuclear weapons. If they think they might lose anyway, what's the harm in it for them to launch those things? After all, Jesus will intervene and save THEM before the bombs land.
And then, if worst comes to worst, we're all left with a slowly rotting hell of a planet.
Posted by: October Mermaid | March 16, 2008 3:13 PM
My all-time favorite movie portrayal of a fundie zealot nutjob: Anthony Zerbe in "The Omega Man".
Not a great adaptation of "I am Legend", to be sure.
But the satire is spot on.
Posted by: Rick R | March 16, 2008 3:21 PM
I am so sickened by this legislation....its fucking sad as hell.
Posted by: Andrew | March 16, 2008 3:24 PM
it seems Kern has a gay son who she has essentially deleted from her public life.
And your evidence for this is an anonymous comment on a blog? Is the rest of your research this thorough?
Posted by: wtf | March 16, 2008 3:43 PM
People, especially Republicans, are really fucking stupid. That's all I have to say.
Posted by: Alex | March 16, 2008 3:58 PM
Get back on the high road, PZed. Retract your comments about her son.
One might almost think this was a thoughtless remark coming out of the homophobic past you and I were both raised in.
Regardless of his orientation, you aren't being fair to him. He's got enough problems as it is. Where would you be today if she were your mother?
Posted by: JohnnieCanuck, FCD | March 16, 2008 4:12 PM
BlueIndependent #22: What ever shall I send in response to my wonderful representative?
Goatse? Tubgirls? Rickroll?
Posted by: AlanWCan | March 16, 2008 4:14 PM
We desperately need this legislation! Our society needs a permanent uneducated underclass to perform menial tasks. This legislation will ensure that Oklahoma will provide us a large supply!
Posted by: waldteufel | March 16, 2008 4:32 PM
Just flicking thru the comments, I didn't notice anyone linking yet to the article where Jesse Kern tells his side of the story.
http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/article.aspx?articleID=20080314_1__OKLAH67120
Whatever else, it seems he at least follows the commandment to honor thy mother and father.
Posted by: pedlar | March 16, 2008 4:37 PM
Waldteufel (#64), and others: Don't think that this is only in Oklahoma. Yes, we are getting a lot of publicity at the moment, but, again, the exact same bill is now LAW in Texas and has been introduced in Arizona and a similar bill is in the Florida legislature. Other states will follow, and not just in the south.
ERV (#41): Thanks, good response! Should anyone wish to send Blick a similar message! : edblick@ou.edu
Posted by: vhutchison | March 16, 2008 4:47 PM
It struck me that this bill is just one to legalize Voluntary Ignorance, stupidity, and delusions.
Any religion that needs to pass such laws is probably on its way out. No matter how much legislation gets passed, reality is what it is. Think these cultist bigots are scared witless? You betcha.
The Hubble space telescope, a few geologists, a few fossils, and a few biologists and they are lost and terrified. Not much of a religion that can't deal with knowledge and reality.
Posted by: raven | March 16, 2008 4:49 PM
Dear Oklahoma douchebags,
Please supply three adult menial idiots each week, not too scrawny, to feed to my lion. Usual terms and conditions.
Thanks,
Your Friendly Neighbourhood Atheist
Posted by: blf | March 16, 2008 5:00 PM
Re: #68, blf, don't worry about scrawniness. This is Oklahoma, remember. Plenty of stupid morbidly obese adults to go around. Just make sure your lions don't start getting fleshy.
Posted by: Adrienne | March 16, 2008 5:03 PM
It is so comforting to know that "purity" is not just for daughters to give their fathers at purity balls. A lack of having sex is a tangible thing to give to the big sky daddy.
What a pleasant upbringing he must of had. And it seems that he is not able to leave it behind.
Posted by: Janine, ID | March 16, 2008 5:12 PM
Weird. Who said anything bad about her son?
Posted by: PZ Myers | March 16, 2008 5:22 PM
Holy wisdom thou speakest!
It's not about him, it's about her. Her son is "celibate for God" in a denomination that has no monachic tradition whatsoever? The hypothesis that he's gay and she can't deal with it, so it drives her insane and therefore she gives insane speeches, is quite parsimonious.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 16, 2008 5:24 PM
So if I state that the earth is flat in a geography exam can I get an A grade?
Posted by: grinch | March 16, 2008 5:30 PM
So when do we start working on the multiple choice Oklahoma exam?
Posted by: grinch | March 16, 2008 5:32 PM
"Blasphemer! You must repent your evil ways and convert to the true faith that is Seven of Nineism!!! I am using far too many exclamation marks, so you know what I say must be true!!!!!
Posted by: Ted D"
Sorry Ted D., you DIDN'T CAPITALIZE ENOUGH WORDS TO MAKE WHAT YOU SAY TRUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In FACT you DIDN'T CAPITALIZE ANY WORDS!!!!!
HOW DO you EXPECT TO BE BELIEVED if you DON'T CAPITALIZE ANY WORDS????!!??
Posted by: Jaycubed | March 16, 2008 5:47 PM
Q: What is the age of the Universe?
A: Fleem.
Q: In Einsteins equasion of E=MC2 what is E?
A: God, because God is everything.
Your grade is A+, Great job!
Posted by: Eric Paulsen | March 16, 2008 5:51 PM
Do the new rules also apply to math? Just think of the opportunity to make math fun for the masses: No more messy irrational numbers; for example, pi and e could both be rounded to 3. How convenient!
Posted by: foxfire | March 16, 2008 6:13 PM
"So if I state that the earth is flat in a geography exam can I get an A grade?
Posted by: grinch"
No, you get a "D+". The bible doesn't say it is flat, only that it has four corners. And everyone knows that it isn't flat as evidenced in the bible by many stories, such as Moses climbing Mt. Sinai to chat with Yahweh. You can't climb something flat.
The correct answer is that the Earth is a quadrilateral as no mention is made of the angles or length of sides.
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Posted by: Jaycubed | March 16, 2008 6:28 PM
Let's stipulate that homosexuality is not bad, that the adult son of a state legislator has no expectation of privacy, and his sexual orientation is somehow relevant to his mother's political agenda. All that rather misses the point, doesn't it? The point is that you wrote "it seems Kern has a gay son." But the link you sent your readers to had no evidence of that but a third-hand no-last-name blog comment asserting that he must be gay because "when he wasn't cruising the toilets he was in the glee club and a piano major."
Posted by: Daniel Murphy | March 16, 2008 6:29 PM
It's not about him, it's about her. Her son is "celibate for God" in a denomination that has no monachic tradition whatsoever? The hypothesis that he's gay and she can't deal with it, so it drives her insane and therefore she gives insane speeches, is quite parsimonious.
That's nothing more than an argument from consequences. How about a little evidence instead?
Posted by: wtf | March 16, 2008 6:32 PM
Out here in Dumbf**kistan teh gayz tend to take courses and jobs that define them as teh gay. It's about roles and society.
The planters never cared much for all that book larnin'. It was the evil North that brought us public education because they needed smart folk to run the machines and the industries. Planters only needed breeding stock and who needs smarts for that? Bush and Cheney are planters (aristos) that want crap education for the middle and working classes and frat-style "marriage colleges" for the rich. Can't have Jena wedded to the Peruvian she partied with, can we.
Posted by: Mold | March 16, 2008 6:34 PM
This kind of legislation opens the door to one of my favorites, Miraculous Mathematics. MM works like this: when you get stuck proving a theorem, you just say "and then a miracle happens!", and you're done, Q.E.D. I have come up with an elegant proof of the Riemann Hypothesis using MM (and its negation, but I prefer the former...).
Posted by: Joe Bob | March 16, 2008 6:40 PM
It's a bit like telling a fluent Italian/Chinese/French (etc) speaker they can write in their own language about their own language and literature in an English exam. Of course we can't ask them to learn what's on the course, because that would be discriminating against their unique and special languages.
Posted by: jetso | March 16, 2008 6:50 PM
"How about a little evidence instead?
Posted by: wtf "
The fact that she scrubbed him from her official web-site biography immediately after the controversy started is pretty good circumstantial evidence.
March 4th:
http://209.85.207.104/search?q=cache:FpWyuMhIW4AJ:www.okhouse.gov/Committees/Member.aspx%3FMemberID%3D87+sally+kern&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=firefox-a
Today (and 5 days ago when I first looked):
http://www.okhouse.gov/Committees/Member.aspx?MemberID=87
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