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Why do we even stoop to mentioning Vox Day?

Category: Kooks
Posted on: March 12, 2008 5:01 PM, by PZ Myers

Let me answer my own question: because he is an appallingly freakish idiot, and always a reliable source for the most amazingly inane claims. Don't worry, that link takes you to Mark Chu-Carroll's evisceration of his latest insane rant, that women are intellectual inferiors who can't teach biology or calculus and are incapable of practicing computer science or art. Vox Day. Can he do any of those things? I think not.

By the way, my wife is director of institutional research at a local college, and my daughter is a computer science major. Women outnumber men in our computer science program and have parity in our biology discipline. It's amazing how they do those things and know more than I do in their fields with such inferior brains.

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#1

In fine tech school fashion, our introduction to biology survey course is called "Bio for boobs." It is accurate, in the sense that the vast majority of the women studying at WPI are biology majors, and that the vast majority of biology majors are women... but biology majors don't typically take that class, so the ratio is perhaps sub-par.

(All that said, my fiancee sat next to me in that class, and she is an Aerospace Engineer.)

Posted by: B. Dewhirst | March 12, 2008 5:08 PM

#2

The best math teacher I ever had was a woman. Calculus I, the first course I took after going back to college after a five-year hiatus.

She was Chinese, if that matters, and her English was not perfect by any means, but nevertheless she was far better than most other profs I had.

But of course, one anecdote doesn't prove anything. How about this: Vox Day is an idiot. There, that anecdote is pertinent.

Posted by: Donnie B. | March 12, 2008 5:16 PM

#3

I wondered how long it would take that to hit here, but I knew it would make it. :)

Is "equalitarianism" even a word? He kept using it like he was very proud; I think he made it up his very own self.

Posted by: Carlie | March 12, 2008 5:18 PM

#4

My favorite science teacher thus far (8th grade) was female. In fact, I wouldn't be very surprised if she read Pharyngula. :P

Posted by: Alex | March 12, 2008 5:19 PM

#5

The wrong-headedness of folks like Vox Day is a continual source af amazement. I wonder if he can possible have a social life. Then again, even Hitler and Charlie Manson had "firends."

Posted by: michael dorian | March 12, 2008 5:21 PM

#6

Only on WorldNetDaily could someone claim that equal rights is the "primary threat to the survival of western civilizations", and only an odious arch-conservative sociopath rebel-wannabe like Theodore Beale aka "Vox Day" could make such rank declarations and attach his pseudonym and (apparently decade-old) picture to it. What a vile human being.

Posted by: tyaddow | March 12, 2008 5:22 PM

#7
Don't worry, that link takes you to Mark Chu-Carroll's evisceration of his latest insane rant

Insane maybe, but he's obviously qualified to be President at Harvard.

Posted by: Jennifer | March 12, 2008 5:22 PM

#8

#2: I knew a Chinese student at Bryn Mawr who got thrown into second year calc because the administration assumed she'd had first year calc in China. She hadn't, but aced the course anyway. She went on to major in physics, and IIRC, graduated in three years. Take that Vox Day.

Posted by: Heather Kuhn | March 12, 2008 5:24 PM

#9

How can somebody so stupid feed himself?

Posted by: Skwee | March 12, 2008 5:26 PM

#10

Vox Dick: thinking little thoughts with the tiny head.

So what does he think women are good for? Let me guess.

Posted by: hje | March 12, 2008 5:28 PM

#11

I get the feeling Sam Harris hasn't figured out yet how crazy Vox is. According to Vox's blog Sam is taking the trouble to honestly answer questions Vox emails him.

I wonder if Sam has read Vox's book? Has Sam seen what Vox says about him?

Posted by: Norman Doering | March 12, 2008 5:29 PM

#12

I'm very keen to hear from any lesbian professors out there who "believe that heterosexual procreation is a myth" (!!!) C'mon--you know who you are.

Posted by: DanioPhD | March 12, 2008 5:29 PM

#13
Is "equalitarianism" even a word? He kept using it like he was very proud; I think he made it up his very own self.

Er, yes. dictionary.com lists it as a synonym of egalitarianism.

Posted by: Ian | March 12, 2008 5:31 PM

#14

Vox is just crazy and stupid. No point in making the simple complicated.

More interesting is when he will go postal and shoot up a mall or something. There is crazy and then there is crazy and potentially dangerous. Vox isn't anyone you want to live within gunshot range of.

Posted by: raven | March 12, 2008 5:32 PM

#15

How did he manage to write a book? I didn't think most printers do crayon. *snicker*

Seriously, if his logic is this weak and his grasp of human experience so tenuous (or so strongly suborned to his political and religious beliefs), then he seems singularly unqualified to be writing apologetics. It's like President Bush writing a treatise on how to run a fair and open government or on how to analyze and deal with events logically, or Enron comarketing a book with Andersen Consulting on honest accounting procedures - his justifications of anything are likely to be inconsistent and fallacious, and unable to withstand a sidelong glance, much less sustained scrutiny.

Posted by: Hap | March 12, 2008 5:38 PM

#16

The foolish arrogance starts with his adopted handle "Vox Day," clearly a play on "Vox Dei." Whatever or whoever he's the voice of, I'm quite sure it isn't God.

Posted by: knutsondc | March 12, 2008 5:42 PM

#17

For a long time I resisted the realization that Vox's pseudonym is a play on vox dei: the voice of God. Now, however, I am finally prepared to allow this thought into my brain, as it allows me to charge him with blasphemy along with the vicious stupidity we all know and loathe. Even an atheist has to take offense at the notion that the Almighty would spout such feeble-minded drivel.

Posted by: Stephen Stralka | March 12, 2008 5:47 PM

#18

Hey, no fair. knutsondc posted my comment before I could finish writing it.

Posted by: Stephen Stralka | March 12, 2008 5:48 PM

#19

I was just skimming his WND article.

"the predominantly Christian United States produces more science per capita than any of the many more secular nations"

Produces more science? What the fuck does that mean? How much science was produced this year?

Again i have to point out that this idiot's book is the one that says that women who have been sexually abused are 50 times more likely to commit suicide than women who were raised Catholic.

Posted by: Brian W. | March 12, 2008 5:52 PM

#20

Can someone please set up a panel discussion between this moron and Christiane Nüsslein-Volhard, where he demonstrates his male superiority. How about Gertrude Elion, Rita Levi-Montalcini, Barbara McClintock. Maria Mayer died in the 70s and I'm sure she could still give him an intellectual beat down.

In fact, as his little wee-wee and y chromosome gives him such an edge, here's a handy dandy list of people to whom I'm sure he'd be happy to demonstrate his intellectual superiority.
Failing that, can we justlock him in a room with some of these women?

Posted by: AlanWCan | March 12, 2008 5:54 PM

#21

"Women outnumber men in our computer science program"

Wow. That's amazing. As a computer science graduate, I'd say fewer than 10% of the comp sci students were women.

Other articles seem to confirm that:
"Next spring, when 22 computer science graduates accept their Tufts diplomas, only four will be women... it has become one of the least gender-balanced fields in American society." (Dec 2005)
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2005/12/18/in_computer_science_a_growing_gender_gap/

Posted by: tinyfrog | March 12, 2008 6:05 PM

#22

Ol' vox is a prime example of the general principle that the stupider someone is, the more likely they are to believe that they are smarter than everyone else.

I'm going to have to give him the old

http://imagechan.com/img/5078/Fractal%20Wrongness/


Posted by: syntyche | March 12, 2008 6:21 PM

#23

I hate to break the news to you, but Barbara McClintock has also been dead for 16 years.

She'd still be able to outthink Theodore Beale.

Posted by: PZ Myers | March 12, 2008 6:24 PM

#24

Women outnumber men in your CS major? Interesting -- here at Tech it's the most overwhelmingly male undergrad major, I think.
Geology is, incidentally, the highest-percentage female, although I think biology has us beat by a factor of 15 or so in absolute numbers. (Oh no, I'm in a GIRLY discipline! Heh.)

Posted by: octopod | March 12, 2008 6:38 PM

#25

To be fair Vox Day is challenged by a special kind of intergenerational stoopid. I mean, for fuck's sake, he had the kind of parents who would name a child after a brand of guitar... unless they were naming him after Ultra Vox, in which case I think Midge Ure would vomit.

Posted by: Bride of Shrek | March 12, 2008 6:39 PM

#26

When my daughter was in high school, she was asked by her Algebra teacher to tutor some of her fellow students who were having trouble learning it. Care to guess the gender of every student she tutored? Hint: starts with "M".

Posted by: EyeNoU | March 12, 2008 6:39 PM

#27

I thought trophy wives were supposed to sit at home and comb their hair while they looked in mirror....

Posted by: sailor | March 12, 2008 6:46 PM

#28

I'm a video game artist and if I didn't know how a computer works I'd be in deep shit. I been around them all my life, and I built this computer I'm using from parts I bought separately. I installed my windows (TOTALLY LEGALLY I SWEAAAAAAR) and I can do my own troubleshooting.

Mysoginist jackass.

Posted by: Michelle | March 12, 2008 6:48 PM

#29

Brian W. asked:

How much science was produced this year?

Patents, journal articles and Nobel prizes might be one way to measure it. I'm pretty sure that American scientists win a heaping helping of the Nobel prizes every year (and even when they don't win as Americans they often wind up here). We very well might produce the most journal articles and patents too.

However, most of the guys doing that stuff are atheists.

The nut cases haven't chased them away yet. But Vox is trying.

Posted by: Norman Doering | March 12, 2008 6:49 PM

#30
To be fair Vox Day is challenged by a special kind of intergenerational stoopid. I mean, for fuck's sake, he had the kind of parents who would name a child after a brand of guitar... unless they were naming him after Ultra Vox, in which case I think Midge Ure would vomit.
Actually, "Vox Day" is the pseudonym of Theodore Beale, in that, he has the arrogance to think that, as a Christian Dominionist, he speaks for God, despite the fact that the Bible mentions that God reserves special calamities for those who claim to speak for God without God's specific permission to do so.

Posted by: Stanton | March 12, 2008 6:50 PM

#31

Oh yea, and I'll add that while I was in highschool I had a constant 100% grade in visual basic programming for two years. Top of the class. For all it's worth, since it was just highschool level VB. Still made my own cheap RPG, puzzle and solitaire game. I didn't continue programming because I wanted a more artistic approach at computer work. So I became a game artist.

Damn. I'm such a dumb woman.

Posted by: Michelle | March 12, 2008 6:52 PM

#32

Stanton @#30
I did know that I was just trying to be witty. But its only 8.30 in the morning here and its way too early to try and be funny. Teddy's stoopid (whilst no doubt encouraged by his parents) appears to be entirely his own. Witness his haircut.

Posted by: Bride of Shrek | March 12, 2008 6:55 PM

#33

Oh how times change, 20 years ago my wife was the only female in her compsci classes and largely the only woman in her maths papers (she has two degrees). She ended up collecting all these lame duck guys who needed mothering.....

Posted by: Peter Ashby | March 12, 2008 6:59 PM

#34
PZ: By the way, my wife is director of institutional research at a local college

I think it's really enlightened of you, PZ, to have given your trophy wife permission to work outside the home.

Posted by: Zeno | March 12, 2008 7:00 PM

#35

I found the data on Nobel prizes on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_laureates_by_country

304 Americans have won Nobels. Highest number on the list. More than double the runner up, the UK.

Posted by: Norman Doering | March 12, 2008 7:03 PM

#36

Whoa, women outnumber the men in your CS department. Holy hell I went to college a decade too early.

At my university the ratio was about 30:1 of men over women. It's great to see that going away, some of the best software people I know are women. Also, it will be a boon to the chronically date deprived CS majors like I was. =)

Posted by: Fedaykin | March 12, 2008 7:06 PM

#37

Yep, Vox Day is using brilliant 12th century science and philosophy in his arguments. I'll bet he doesn't fly in airplanes for fear of flying off the edge of the Earth.

Posted by: gg | March 12, 2008 7:06 PM

#38

Normally I'm not given to ad hominem, but I want to see Hellga from American Gladiators make mulch out of Teddy.

Posted by: Lycosid | March 12, 2008 7:06 PM

#39

Only double the UK? but, but, you have at least 3X our population. You slackers!

Posted by: Peter Ashby | March 12, 2008 7:18 PM

#40
The wrong-headedness of folks like Vox Day is a continual source af amazement. I wonder if he can possible have a social life. Then again, even Hitler and Charlie Manson had "firends."

On come on now that is a base and vile accusation. Charlie would never associate with a loser like Vox, he has far too much class.

Posted by: Natasha Yar-Routh | March 12, 2008 7:18 PM

#41

OH, I love the part where the idiot says:

"The idea of biology classes being taught by lesbian professors who believe that heterosexual procreation is a myth or calculus courses being taught by women who can't do long division may sound impossible today, but tell that to any software developer, and he'll be able to provide you with plenty of current examples of computer science engineers, some with advanced CS degrees, who have no idea how to even begin writing a computer program."

You know, I've met plenty of CS graduates that couldn't program "Hello, World" if their life depended on it. None of those people were women.

See, the one thing the sex discrimination of maths and sciences does (and please don't presume that I think this makes it all good!) is that generally only the best and brightest women overcome the discrimination. The opposite is true for males. Because of the presumption that if you are male you are good at math and science, a lot of males coast through their degrees.

Posted by: Fedaykin | March 12, 2008 7:25 PM

#42

Peter Ashby wrote:

Only double the UK? but, but, you have at least 3X our population. You slackers!

Actually the US is close to 3x UK Nobels, but not quite. And that does shoot down Vox's "per capita" claim on science, at least as measured by Nobels won because we're about equal in terms of population with the UK slightly ahead. VD did say:

"the predominantly Christian United States produces more science per capita than any of the many more secular nations"

And besides that, it contradicts Vox's early claims that science is a bad thing:
http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2007/03/religions-war-on-science-part-1.html

And that's in addition to most of those scientists "producing" that American science being atheists and agnostics.

Posted by: Norman Doering | March 12, 2008 7:34 PM

#43
On come on now that is a base and vile accusation. Charlie would never associate with a loser like Vox, he has far too much class.
Especially not with Voxie's haircut.

Posted by: Stanton | March 12, 2008 7:36 PM

#44
We very well might produce the most journal articles and patents too.

Most recent data on this I could find:

http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/seind04/c5/tt05-20.htm

so, yeah.. Vox is pretty much talking out of his arse, as usual. What a tool.

Posted by: syntyche | March 12, 2008 7:39 PM

#45
More interesting is when he will go postal and shoot up a mall or something.

As soon as God tells him to.

Hey, he said so himself.

"the predominantly Christian United States produces more science per capita than any of the many more secular nations"

How soon we forget that academia is pinko-commie-liberal and of course godless... I love the smell of doublethink after midnight.

I mean, for fuck's sake, he had the kind of parents who would name a child after a brand of guitar... unless they were naming him after Ultra Vox

If he's really God-given (theodoros) may be doubted for several reasons, however, too...!

Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | March 12, 2008 7:45 PM

#46
Is "equalitarianism" even a word? He kept using it like he was very proud; I think he made it up his very own self.

Yes, Carlie! I'm quite sure he made it up!

He does that a lot.

Vox loves to coin words. It makes him feel smart, like some kind of intellectual giant, like a thought-leader, like a pioneer of ideas that are so new, existing language cannot even properly describe them!

LMAO!!!!!!

Posted by: Kseniya | March 12, 2008 7:56 PM

#47

Ok ok, he didn't make that one up. But he does do that.

Posted by: Kseniya | March 12, 2008 7:57 PM

#48

Ok ok, he didn't make that one up. But he does do that.

it doesn't matter. the point is that he deliberately chose a rarely used synonym of egalitarian to begin with.

this indeed, is indicative of exactly the problem you delineate:

It makes him feel smart, like some kind of intellectual giant, like a thought-leader, like a pioneer of ideas that are so new, existing language cannot even properly describe them!

and yes, he does do that all the time. It's beyond pompous on in to the realm of complete nutter.

One might even say it's his "calling card".

Posted by: Ichthyic | March 12, 2008 8:03 PM

#49

I thought it wasn't the size of their brains that held women back, but rather the length of their bears. Everyone knows "longer beard = wiser."

Posted by: jfatz | March 12, 2008 8:12 PM

#50

Don't forget the medical/pharma/vet fields, where men are becoming scarce in many places. There are 24 men out of 131 in my vet school, for example.

Posted by: drew | March 12, 2008 8:20 PM

#51

David Marjanović wrote:

As soon as God tells him to.

That's why we call him "future toddler chopper, Vox Day":
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2007/02/mailvox-sharpening-knives.html

Posted by: Norman Doering | March 12, 2008 8:20 PM

#52

(All that said, my fiancee sat next to me in that class, and she is an Aerospace Engineer.)
Posted by: B. Dewhirst | March 12, 2008 5:08 PM

The fiancee in question here. Huzzah for general science credit with no lab requirement!

Anyway. I will whip li'l Teddy's sorry ass left, right, and sideways at any form of math or science he chooses.

*cracks knuckles*

Posted by: Carolyn | March 12, 2008 8:33 PM

#53

It's harder to consider women property if they're as smart as you. That's what it's all about isn't it?

Posted by: shane | March 12, 2008 8:33 PM

#54

BTW, Nobel prizes per capita. Heh heh the US is 11th.

Posted by: shane | March 12, 2008 8:37 PM

#55

Well I say its about time Iceland came first at something.

Posted by: Bride of Shrek | March 12, 2008 8:43 PM

#56

Unbelievable.

To think that we could be sitting beside a nitwit like this Vox Day.

Posted by: Jório | March 12, 2008 8:45 PM

#57

"the predominantly Christian United States produces more science per capita than any of the many more secular nations"

A quick breakdown of the wikipedia Nobel laureate information (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_laureates_by_country):

United States: 304 Nobels, 304 million people = 1 Nobel / million
United Kingdom: 114 Nobels, 61 million people = 1.87 Nobels / million
Switzerland: 25 Nobels, 7.5 million people = 3.33 Nobels / million
Sweden: 28 Nobels, 9.2 million people = 3.05 Nobels / million
Norway: 11 Nobels, 4.7 million people = 2.34 Nobels / million
Netherlands: 18 Nobels, 16.4 million people = 1.1 Nobels / million
Italy: 20 Nobels, 59 million people = 0.34 Nobels / million
Germany: 99 Nobels, 82 million people = 1.2 Nobels / million
France: 54 Nobels, 64 million people = 0.84 Nobels / million
Denmark: 13 Nobels, 5.5 million people = 2.36 Nobels / million
Belgium: 11 Nobels, 10.5 million people = 1.05 Nobels / million

The United States actually doesn't fare that well when you calculate Nobels per capita. Looks like Switzerland, Sweden, Denmark, and Norway top the pack. Those countries also have some of the highest rates of atheism in europe.

Posted by: tinyfrog | March 12, 2008 8:55 PM

#59

shane wrote:

BTW, Nobel prizes per capita. Heh heh the US is 11th.

And those countries that are ahead, a group of them are ahead on believing in evolution and low on religion. Check out the charts on my blog:
http://normdoering.blogspot.com/2008/02/religion-as-force-for-ignorance-and.html

Posted by: Norman Doering | March 12, 2008 9:05 PM

#60

Those pesky women folk aren't going to outlive me, I'm getting that artery clearing stuff advertised on Vox's Page; Just four tiny capsules per day is all it takes.

Posted by: chuckgoecke | March 12, 2008 9:08 PM

#61

Vox better hope that some women can program; my wife wrote a large part of the OS for the Patriot Missile System. Degree in math from Brown, and in CS from Toronto. Of the 15 or so bosses I've had in 40 years in computers (MITRE, Unisys, NRL, Prime), all but about five have been female. Not counting the wife.

Posted by: Bob Munck | March 12, 2008 9:14 PM

#62

The wrong-headedness of folks like Vox Day is a continual source af amazement. I wonder if he can possibly have a social life. Then again, even Hitler and Charlie Manson had "firends."

Posted by: michael dorian | March 12, 2008 9:25 PM

#63

Vox claims the USA produces large amounts of science because it is Xian.

Vox also claims that all scientists are evil atheists.

If Vox and his fellow wingnut Death Cult Xians had their way, we wouldn't be doing any science anymore. We would be too busy hunting, gathering, and working at subsistence agriculture to bother.

A few contradictions here but Vox and contradictions is the norm. For all his claiming not to be descended from monkeys, his style is remarkably similar to the ones I've seen in zoos.

Posted by: raven | March 12, 2008 9:29 PM

#64

Oh boy,

I just had a quick surf around his site and you wouldn't believe the mysogynistic filth being bantered around in his comments sections. Not very nice talk for Christshuns if I may say so myself. Their leering over the breasts of one of the book critics and speculation as to the location of her tattoos is disgusting. These are peurile, dirty minded little boys that hate women, quite obviously because no woman would touch them.

Posted by: Bride of Shrek | March 12, 2008 9:32 PM

#65

We would be too busy hunting, gathering, and working at subsistence agriculture to bother.

well, almost...

We'd be too busy hunting, gathering, and working for SOMEONE ELSE in a feudalistic society to bother.

after all, money can always buy science from actual enlightened countries, even if ours becomes a complete Idiocracy.

The likes of GW would be more than happy to turn america into a feudal society, and would easily rationalize the result as being "good for everybody", because they themselves would be doing so well.

Posted by: Ichthyic | March 12, 2008 9:37 PM

#66

As a female scientist (or, at the very least, scientist-in-training -- I'm a second-year graduate student), I can't even muster up any offended feelings about Vox Day's blog entry. I mean, I don't even have to wonder whether I could kick his ass in science. His pathetic, meandering non-sequituriffic "argument" makes it quite clear to me that he's not worth my ire.

Not that I have a problem with people heaping abuse on him -- he clearly deserves it in spades.

Posted by: Mollie | March 12, 2008 9:46 PM

#67

Oh,yeah, almost forgot this bit. I work for an oilfield service company here in Texas. I compile data while the well is being drilled for the geology team. The three geologists, and the geophysicist who is also the team leader? All women.

Posted by: EyeNoU | March 12, 2008 9:54 PM

#68

Oh,yeah, almost forgot this bit. I work for an oilfield service company here in Texas. I compile data while the well is being drilled for the geology team. The three geologists, and the geophysicist who is also the team leader? All women.

Posted by: EyeNoU | March 12, 2008 9:57 PM

#69

Vox Day is a Christian theologian? No wonder he gets in a hissy fit over women being consider equal to men. His magic book says girls have cooties.

Posted by: Bob L | March 12, 2008 10:06 PM

#70

A few years ago when I was a rabid, far-right Christian, I was a fan of VD's, natch. Of course, the wafer-thin logic didn't hold and I am now a happy atheist. But all this bullshit coming from his direction is most unsurprising. I actually think he's embarrassed about the fanboy echo chamber that is the whole of his blog, but there isn't much he can do about it, as it's the only affirmation he gets.

Posted by: monty burns | March 12, 2008 10:20 PM

#71

Christian in name only. You should read the very unJesuslike things he's written about Japanese women on his blog.

Posted by: monty burns | March 12, 2008 10:25 PM

#72

I am now a happy atheist

mazel tov!

uh, wait, I mean:

Free at last, free at last
I thank God you're free at last

no, that's not it...

ummm...

congratulations!

yeah, that's the ticket.

:)

Posted by: Ichthyic | March 12, 2008 10:29 PM

#73
A few years ago when I was a rabid, far-right Christian, I was a fan of VD's

That was funnier than you probably intended.

Posted by: shane | March 12, 2008 10:39 PM

#74

Thanks for the love. I had actually written "nontheist" first, then I figured what the hell...I'm buzzing and there's no point in splitting hairs. I think I'm in good company here.

Posted by: monty burns | March 12, 2008 10:40 PM

#75

I think I'm in good company here.

belly up to the bar.

Posted by: Ichthyic | March 12, 2008 10:43 PM

#76

btw, you might want to check this thread out:

http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/04/what_kind_of_atheist_are_you.php

Posted by: Ichthyic | March 12, 2008 10:45 PM

#77

*snorts* you're right! I was lost in horrible memories of the daily rantings of bitter divorced men at vox's. Christian Libertarians...neither Christian nor Libertarian, discuss.

Posted by: monty burns | March 12, 2008 10:46 PM

#78

Christian Libertarians...neither Christian nor Libertarian, discuss.

been there, done that.

see if you can find the thread on Ron Paul using the search engine up top.

be warned:

the level of stupid presented by self-proclaimed "libertarians" in that thread might cause a rash.

Posted by: Ichthyic | March 12, 2008 10:48 PM

#79
Vox loves to coin words. It makes him feel smart, like some kind of intellectual giant, like a thought-leader, like a pioneer of ideas that are so new, existing language cannot even properly describe them!

Hey! I like to coin words. :(

(My most recent is "ilcliterate," referring to the state of being grossly ignorant about female sexual anatomy and physiology.)

Vox Taedium is shitting on my doorstep with this. :/

Posted by: Azkyroth | March 12, 2008 10:56 PM

#80

Ack, how the hell did I miss such a juicy post? Thanks for the reminder.

But let's not stop talking about how much Vox sucks. Or how amusing it is that he derides women for being stupid when his wife is...not that bright.

Posted by: monty burns | March 12, 2008 10:58 PM

#81

no worries.

the difference is that he does it to make himself look smart.

you do it for humor value.

it's not hard to distinguish the two.

Posted by: Ichthyic | March 12, 2008 10:58 PM

#82

Or how amusing it is that he derides women for being stupid when his wife is...not that bright.

yeah, but is she a trophy wife(tm)?

Posted by: Ichthyic | March 12, 2008 10:59 PM

#83

To the knuckle-draggers at his blog, yes. To me, she is Scrawny Generic Unfunny White Woman.

Posted by: monty burns | March 12, 2008 11:03 PM

#84

Must be blind too if she lets her hubby get away with that haircut.

Posted by: Bride of Shrek | March 12, 2008 11:05 PM

#85

VD confuses me. I mean, I'll most likely never sleep with a woman. As much as I adore the women in my life, there's just no spark. However, I probably know more about their sexuality, what they enjoy, what turns them on, etc., than almost any straight man any of them will encounter (and some of those straight men owe me a bit of gratitude for tips given to the girlfriends).

While I may not "love women" like heterosexual men do, I love women far more than a straight misogynist like VD. I want them to have a say in how their own lives progress. I want them to have a say in how the communities and societies in which they live are organized. I think they're the best folks to figure out what to do with their own bodies. I treasure the relationships I have with them, even though I have no desire for nookie with them. Hell, with my own feminist readings and work in the field of sexuality education, my amateur faggot ass could probably give a straight girl more fun than some woman-hating putz like Day.

There are some things I just don't get at a very basic level. One is how someone can so despise women. Sure, there are some individual women I'm not overly fond of; but there are individual straight people, and individual gay men.....

But to hold women as a group in such contempt? Beyond me.

Posted by: MAJeff, OM | March 12, 2008 11:05 PM

#86

MAJeff,

Its probably because you have intrinsic respect for people and their identities. Your like or dislike or someone is probably based on personality not on gender. People like Mr Day are small weinered little men who are fundamentally scared of women because they fear their own inadequacies being exposed.

Oh, and as for

"I mean, I'll most likely never sleep with a woman"

I keep telling you, its because we live on different continents and Mr Shrek might get his gills ruffled by it. Otherwise.....;-)

Posted by: Bride of Shrek | March 12, 2008 11:11 PM

#87

I keep telling you, its because we live on different continents and Mr Shrek might get his gills ruffled by it. Otherwise.....;-)

I'll make you dinner (and frustrate you even more with what I can do with flavors and sensuality). Happily. But..I wants a sexy man. We can go shopping and hunting together, though.

Posted by: MAJeff, OM | March 12, 2008 11:42 PM

#88

Check out the Planetary Society blog, run by Emily Lakdawalla. In particular, see this article for February 29TH: http://planetary.org/blog/article/00001344/ I am truly in awe of these ladies (Emily, too).

It has been my great fortune throughout my life to have been in the company of a large number of spectacularly competent women, nearly all of whom are smarter than I am. My wife should have received a Ph.D. for the work she did for her M.S., and the only reason the two of us together can keep a half-step ahead of our daughter is through age and experience (and ganging up on her).

Misogynistic buffoons are beneath contempt. Smack them down hard whenever they appear.

Posted by: Hairy Doctor Professor | March 13, 2008 12:09 AM

#89

Read his new book and put an honest review on Amazon.com exposing what a crackpot he is.

* Free download = http://irrationalatheist.com/downloads.html
* Amazon.com page for the book = http://www.amazon.com/Irrational-Atheist-Dissecting-Trinity-Hitchens/dp/1933771364

Posted by: Eric | March 13, 2008 12:41 AM

#90

phht.

I'd say I'd rather wipe my ass with the paper, but that would mean I would have had to either purchase a hardcopy, or else print out the downloaded version.

neither of which is worth time and/or money.

morons like Vox are a dime a dozen. taking the time to make fun of their blog posts is about as much effort as they're worth.

Posted by: Ichthyic | March 13, 2008 12:46 AM

#91

I hope Vox's dad has a female judge at his trial.

Posted by: Kristine | March 13, 2008 12:46 AM

#92

Enough! A gay man and a married woman should not be flirting! My evil lesbian brain is frying!

Posted by: Janine, ID | March 13, 2008 12:52 AM

#93

#89: I would have to go take a shower after downloading that book - no, thanks!

Posted by: CalGeorge | March 13, 2008 12:55 AM

#94

My evil lesbian brain is frying!

mmmmmm.

fried brains...

unfortunately, I've already eaten this evening.


Posted by: Ichthyic | March 13, 2008 12:55 AM

#95
Enough! A gay man and a married woman should not be flirting! My evil lesbian brain is frying!

"The rallying point for the counterattack against the deployment of sexuality ought not to be sex-desire, but bodies and pleasures." Foucault

Back in MN, there was a group of us who would go dancing. Whenever NIN came on, one particular woman and I would hit the dance floor. I once left teeth marks. Later, I found out that people were staring at us saying, "I thought he was gay."

In everyday life, yeah. In that moment, it didn't matter. It was Trent Reznor and bodies enjoying each other.

Posted by: MAJeff, OM | March 13, 2008 1:13 AM