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Crash this poll

You know how we all love to screw up online polls … here’s another one. Scroll down to just below “What others are saying”, on the left, where the poll question is:

Do you think the theory of Intelligent Design should be taught in our education system?

“Yes” is currently leading by about 3:1. If everyone goes over there and votes “no”, it will raise Mark Mathis’s blood pressure a few points.

(via Skippy)

Comments

  1. #1 Simon C.
    April 25, 2008

    Will his blood pressure increase proportional to the numbers of people voting no?

    I sure hope it will be exponential. Anyway, I’m guessing they will just reset the vote as soon as they are losing. They can’t afford bad publicity on their own webpage, right?

  2. #2 mezzobuff
    April 25, 2008

    Done!

  3. #3 iain
    April 25, 2008

    Done! Don’t read the comments there unless you enjoy pain.

  4. #4 Mike Kandefer
    April 25, 2008

    It’s surely appropriate to vote “no”, but I’d really like to hear the answers to, “What is it?”

  5. #5 J
    April 25, 2008

    Wow…already less than 2:1. Nice!

  6. #6 Dennis N
    April 25, 2008

    What a great poll, whenever we need a policy decision made, we should consult the people of Myspace. The National Academy of My Space. If Mark Mathis is somehow now de-aging to 17 years old, that violates the laws of thermodynamics, so that means there was a designer, so… I can’t keep track of their arguments anymore.

  7. #7 Dana Hunter
    April 25, 2008

    We’re catching up! Hee hee. Oh, how I love the smell of steaming mad IDiot in the morning…

  8. #8 Blake Stacey
    April 25, 2008

    That site design would confirm the faith of a dystheist. Fucking MySpace.

    I was the 374th person to vote No, against 491 who voted Yes.

  9. #9 Zeph
    April 25, 2008

    interestingly enough, that’s the first decent looking MySpace page I’ve ever seen. it’s unfortunate that it’s Expelled’s page…

  10. #10 mikeg
    April 25, 2008

    oh yeah! keep ‘em comin’

  11. #11 Penny
    April 25, 2008

    Ha! It even lets you vote multiple times (but I got bored after 5…)

  12. #12 Mike
    April 25, 2008

    Someone should try to get this on fark.com. The combined PZ/Fark attack could be kind of fun.

  13. #13 V
    April 25, 2008

    916 total votes when I voted NO

  14. #14 Paul Burnett
    April 25, 2008

    It’s 491 Yes to 393 No – keep up the good work, everybody!

    I love the “comments” from such luminaries as James Dobson and Michael Medved.

  15. #15 Barklikeadog
    April 25, 2008

    Keep it up. we’re almost equal now.

  16. #16 Steven Lingard
    April 25, 2008

    And I understand “W” wants to use tax money to shore up these bible thumping yahoo’s educational system!! What a dunce! What a fuckin’ dunce!! When will these slime molds learn to read??!!

  17. #17 Rich
    April 25, 2008

    It won’t accept multiple votes, I just looked. You can push the button repetedly but the counter does not change. The most horrorfying part is the comments,”My 16 year old home schooled daughter and I saw Expelled last night. Great Flick!!! Here’s Kent Hovind, Dangers of Evolution…” poor kid has’nt got a chance….

  18. #18 Aaron Golas
    April 25, 2008

    Aaaaand the NOs are winning, 492 to 503, as of now.

  19. #19 Ericb
    April 25, 2008

    We’re now officially ahead.

  20. #20 Chili Pepper
    April 25, 2008

    999 votes, and Yes and No are at 49 per cent each.

  21. #21 Matt
    April 25, 2008

    Awesome, apparently i was the tying vote!

  22. #22 Blake Stacey
    April 25, 2008

    Incidentally, someone with a MySpace account should post a note like the following: “Nice idea for a movie. But why don’t you tell the stories of the people who REALLY got “EXPELLED” — people like Steve Bitterman, Alex Bolyanatz, Richard Colling, Chris Comer, Christopher diCarlo, Terry Gray, John E. Jones III, Nancey Murphy, Gwen Pearson, Paul Mirecki, Eric Pianka and Howard Van Till? You know, the people, many of whom are faithful Christians, who have been pressured, harassed, fired and even threatened with death for accepting evolution.”

  23. #23 PZ Myers
    April 25, 2008

    Cool. It only took 20 minutes for us to beat their poll. Keep it up! Run the scoreboard!

  24. #24 Dennis N
    April 25, 2008

    Home schooled children have their computer time limited, so they can’t do much voting. It’s so they don’t stumble upon the 8th deadly sin: PZ’s blog. I wonder how many Hail Mary’s they’d have to say to make up for reading this.

  25. #25 mikeg
    April 25, 2008

    just stay on the page and refresh after each vote

  26. #26 firemancarl
    April 25, 2008

    I just voted

    45.06% yes

    53.66% No

    Wooot!

  27. #27 Slyer
    April 25, 2008

    I really do not understand the commenters, from what I’ve heard it’s a terrible film even if you support intelligent design, it’s that bad.

  28. #28 MikeB
    April 25, 2008

    Question: What are we trying to accomplish with this stunt?

    Heh. Nevermind.
    That was fun!

  29. #29 Chris
    April 25, 2008

    Rich @ #17. It did allow me to vote twice. I think it may be because I use the Flashblock extension in Firefox. And if I want to see a flash element played I have to click on it to allow it.

    The no’s are ahead now! Woot!

  30. #30 dennis
    April 25, 2008

    i voted “NO”, but then thought it over and would like to recant:

    why stop at teaching Intelligent Design in biology? we should also teach Flat Earth Science in geology courses. and Perpetual Motion science in physics. and Conspiracy Science in history. discussion of the 4 elements: Air, Earth, Water and Fire should be mandatory in chemistry. Everyone knows the moon landing was faked. This should be brought up in all astronomy courses. also, cooking classes would be vastly improved if it was mentioned that the moon was made of cheese-a infinite source of mozarella!

    mmmm…pizza…

    hey, what wine would go well with the moon?

  31. #31 ericb
    April 25, 2008

    “I really do not understand the commenters, from what I’ve heard it’s a terrible film even if you support intelligent design, it’s that bad.”

    You’re assuming that the comments are from actual people rather than sockpuppets posted by a PR firm they hired.

  32. #32 Sastra
    April 25, 2008

    I actually had trouble deciding what to vote on this one. The question “Do you think the Theory of Intelligent Design should be taught in our educational system” had two excellent responses — and the best one was probably the last one: What is it?

    What IS the “Theory of Intelligent Design?” In science, the word “theory” does not mean “some idea someone came up with.” It’s a formal term. What are the mechanisms, the model, the testable predictions? Saying “this sure didn’t happen through evolution” is not a science theory. Neither is “looks like someone could have put it together.” Nor is “if it works well, someone must have wanted it to work like that.”

    Still, I voted “no” because, like with all polls, you have to kind of psych out what they intend each response to mean, and I thought the “what is it?” answer was too open to being interpreted as “Great, tell me more!” as opposed to “You ain’t got nothin’, do ya?”

    And I voted once, because I am one.

  33. #33 wildcardjack
    April 25, 2008

    Well, I did my part.

    If it actually required any effort I’d have passed it up. But the general nature of the site would produce a self selected sample group biased towards Yes. Right up until the anti-selected sample group shows up with our shivs and zip guns like at mob riot at a wedding.

  34. #34 rattitude
    April 25, 2008

    What’s the bet the poll will quietly vanish away…

  35. #35 Rowan
    April 25, 2008

    Just voted:

    Yes 493

    No 733

    Its gonna be a landslide!!!!

  36. #36 Forodrim
    April 25, 2008

    493 vs 758 good job :)

    those comments on their site are really sickening.

  37. #37 wintremute
    April 25, 2008

    voted.
    We’re up by about 2:1 now.

  38. #38 embertine
    April 25, 2008

    Heh, we’re winning pretty comprehensively now. I had a quick visual tour around the rest of the site, but the stupid was so overwhelming that I was temporarily blinded. Maybe that’s really what happened to Saul on the road to Damascus?

  39. #39 sidelined
    April 25, 2008

    It is now at 61 % now and climbing fast enough to see significant differences as fast as you can refresh.Woohoo!

  40. #40 MicroZealous
    April 25, 2008

    My vote single handedly put NO to 61%.

  41. #41 Bob L
    April 25, 2008

    Apparently if you reload the webpage you can vote again. You’ve got to love this (Creation) Scientific polling stuff. It makes ballot box stuffing so easy.

  42. #42 wintremute
    April 25, 2008

    How long before this “poll” gets pulled down? Anyone taking bets?

  43. #43 Jason G.
    April 25, 2008

    62% for logic and reason. 803-493 is the current tally.

  44. #44 Deb
    April 25, 2008

    DONE!

    Wow, I got a little thrill from helping to crash that poll, what’s wrong with me?

  45. #45 dennis
    April 25, 2008

    sock puppets? sock puppets?!?

    Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can lie on the internet will. There is a pestilence upon this land, nothing is sacred. Even those who arrange intelligent design sites are under considerable economic stress at this period in history.

  46. #46 qbsmd
    April 25, 2008

    The counter on the “no” side is going up too fast for me to tell if I can vote multiple times or not. It seems to be gaining 5-10 people in the time it takes the page to refresh and then process my vote. The “yes” side has been at 493 since I started paying attention.

  47. #47 xander
    April 25, 2008

    Of course, the really sad part is that, when they notice that they are losing the vote, they are going to (a) blame it on a vast atheistic, Darwinianismist conspiracy, and claim that they are being oppressed by big science. This will be taken as a sign that they are in the right! Heh.

    Also, ewwwww! MySpace!

  48. #48 Jason G.
    April 25, 2008

    Gained 100 yes votes sionce I posted about 4 minutes ago.

  49. #49 Alex
    April 25, 2008

    @#45

    That gave me a good idea. I tried voting for “yes.” Still 493.

  50. #50 peterbr
    April 25, 2008

    866 No to 493 Yes
    @Blake Stacey – I tried, but you have to be their friend to do it, and I’m not willing to go that far.

  51. #51 yank in london
    April 25, 2008

    Always glad to help!

  52. #52 Rowan
    April 25, 2008

    When Blake (post #8) voted it was yes (491) v no (374)…

    …now its yes (493) v no (924)

    What a response…LOL!!!

  53. #53 DaveX
    April 25, 2008

    The trouble is that folks like us see things like Pharyngula each day– it’s troubling to read those comments, and remember just how many people are totally deluded. Anyways, I did my part, and the NO votes are in a far lead at the moment.

  54. #54 Clair
    April 25, 2008

    I came across the poll from elsewhere, but was pointed here, too. I wanted to leave a comment saying, “I love propaganda” but of course, I can’t because that “user” is not my “friend” on the site. Oh well.

  55. #55 ishmael9913
    April 25, 2008

    Bam! A vote no… wow… rather high on the no sides. I dig. :D

  56. #56 Jason G.
    April 25, 2008

    Sorry. My previous post should have said 100 NO votes.

  57. #57 Britomart
    April 25, 2008

    I think we should start teaching Alchemy.

    With a little effort there we could soon have the national debt all fixed.

  58. #58 MicroZealous
    April 25, 2008

    Rattitude & wintremute re bet:
    I’ll bet a pledge of $10 to NCSE! Poll will be offline in 12 hours.

  59. #59 Michelle
    April 25, 2008

    Done, m’lord. Now the No is leading. :P

  60. #60 croor
    April 25, 2008

    the NOs outnumber the YESs 2 to one now.

    last count : 493 for YES (this hasn’t changed at all over twenty minutes)

    995 (make that 1005) for NO.

    yay!

  61. #61 jetmags73
    April 25, 2008

    Done! Whoo-hoo fun! And that’s a good question: What is intelligent design? Yes why don’t they answer that? I propose the following: “It’s a scientifically scientific science-dealy that proposes certain life forms (Behe, Dembski, Hovind, Ham) began their existences abruptly and with certain of their features intact (scales, tails, horns, fake memories, fake sanctimony, idiocy, odor, etc.)

  62. #62 drew
    April 25, 2008

    493 yes:1015 no now

    Less than a third voting yes at this time.

  63. #63 Armchair Dissident
    April 25, 2008

    We were way ahead when I voted. When will people LEARN! If you’re going to release a piece of nonsense propaganda and annoy a lot of well-informed people, don’t put up a poll! It will get stuffed – always!

  64. #64 wÒÓ†
    April 25, 2008
  65. #65 Forodrim
    April 25, 2008

    If you follow some of the comment on the expelled myspace site, you will find some really amusing blogs:
    http://www.atheismisdead.blogspot.com/ :D

  66. #66 matt
    April 25, 2008

    1014 to 493. They must not have as rabid a blogoblog following. All hail use of technology and information for good! oh god I created a new religion… scientology! wait, that one’s taken? damn

  67. #67 Epinephrine
    April 25, 2008

    Still about 2:1 for No, keep up the good work!

  68. #68 rhonan
    April 25, 2008

    493 yes vs. 980 no: so at least 247 people have voted no since the past person voted yes. Schweet! More fortunately, they are using a third-party poll, so they probably don’t have a way to gin the results.

  69. #69 Matt
    April 25, 2008

    Done.

    You know, they say getting atheists to organise en masse is like trying to herd cats… but every time you give us a heads up on an internet poll, we always manage to turn it our way.

  70. #70 Joel
    April 25, 2008

    Just voted it now stands at:

    493 Yes
    1075 No.

  71. #71 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    [sarcasm]
    Big Science tries to silence ID Truth again…
    [/sarcasm]

  72. #72 Blondin
    April 25, 2008

    I would kind of like to see this movie shown in schools. In science class, in fact. It should be shown, as part of a segment on critical thinking, as an excellent example of Orwellian doublespeak propaganda. It really demonstrates how a claim/position, that has no merit what so ever, can be considered viable by people who have never learned how to think objectively.

  73. #73 matt
    April 25, 2008

    Matt:
    Unbeknownst to you, cat’s special power is poll domination.

  74. #74 Clair
    April 25, 2008

    These people (Creationists/ID proponents) make /no/ sense. Even when I thought I was religious, I absolutely didn’t want this subject to be taught in school. Frustrating.

    *scratches head*

  75. #75 Gareth
    April 25, 2008

    I don’t see why they can’t teach the Theory of Intelligent Design in class. After all, it would only take less than 30 seconds.

    “Today, children, we’re going to learn the entire Theory of Intelligent Design. Are you ready? Here goes…

    God did it, now stop asking stupid bloody questions.

    There. Now, get your biology textbooks out, and we’ll crack on with evolutionary theory.”

  76. #76 Dennis N
    April 25, 2008

    What about the possibility they created the pool at 400ish Yes and 0 No, to give themselves a head start? No, they’d never bear false witness like that…

  77. #77 Blake Stacey
    April 25, 2008

    493 to 1149.

    Let this be a lesson to Ass-Prod Mathis and the rest of Premise Media: don’t pin your hopes on something completely unscientific.

  78. #78 Reginald Selkirk
    April 25, 2008

    Someone used their “comments” section to post a Kent Hovind video, but Intelligent Design has nothing to do with Creationism. Uh huh.

    Apr 19 2008 9:29 AM
    My 16 year old home schooled daughter and I saw Expelled last night. Great Flick!!! Here’s Kent Hovind, Dangers of Evolution…
    seminar 5

  79. #79 jghughes
    April 25, 2008

    11:30, and it’s already >2:1 for NO. Nice work everybody!

  80. #80 Stanton
    April 25, 2008

    Done.

    You know, they say getting atheists to organise en masse is like trying to herd cats… but every time you give us a heads up on an internet poll, we always manage to turn it our way.

    You’d be surprised how easy it is to herd cats when you sling an opened can of catfood or spill milk willy-nilly in your desired direction.

  81. #81 charles
    April 25, 2008

    we’re killing them. And surprisingly, poll is still online.

  82. #82 Dennis N
    April 25, 2008

    Sorry, didn’t realize they used a 3rd party. Although maybe they used it without permission, but they don’t have a history of doing that already. Wow, I’m incessantly sarcastic.

  83. #83 Bryson Brown
    April 25, 2008

    Wow– that site is an ugly sight. Couldn’t bring myself to list them as ‘friend’ just to post a comment. But the no vote continues to climb. It’s important, I think, not to let these people imagine that their little club is unnoticed or unopposed– if one call to flood a poll overwhelms their numbers, it’s a good message to send, especially if it leaves them gnashing their teeth.

  84. #84 Robert Ward
    April 25, 2008

    Actually, I’ve been able to vote quite a few times, and I’ve been paying attention to the counter and it definitely goes up. I’m trying to get the “What is it” vote up.

    Good times.

  85. #85 Aaron Golas
    April 25, 2008

    Someone stuffing “What is it?” now? It’s up from 7 to 200 and rising…

  86. #86 Carlie
    April 25, 2008

    You forgot the maroon banner alerting us to our orders. :)

  87. #87 Sili
    April 25, 2008

    I refuse.

    I’m not doing anything until I get my Friday cephalopod, thank you very much.

  88. #88 J
    April 25, 2008

    Coral Ridge Ministries is on their friend list.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

  89. #89 QuickEye
    April 25, 2008

    The results of the poll show the text “Thank you, we have already counted your vote.” at the top. That would suggest that one cannot vote twice.

    1375 No vs 495 Yes.
    Yesss! :D

  90. #90 MB
    April 25, 2008

    Who’s taking bets on how long it stays up now that it’s
    65.74% no to 24.12% yes?

    Can’t wait to see the “PZ hacked our website” claims…

  91. #91 sf atheist
    April 25, 2008

    Just voted and this is so much fun. The NOs are way ahead.

  92. #92 Rick at shrimp and grits
    April 25, 2008

    Done! Don’t read the comments there unless you enjoy pain.

    That’s a good warning for any myspace page, really. But I do have to agree somewhat with #9. Unlike most myspace pages, the site didn’t IMMEDIATELY make my eyes bleed.

    Well, except for the pictures of Ben Stein…

  93. #93 Blaidd Drwg
    April 25, 2008

    495 Yes
    1400 NO
    As of 1142 EDT

    BWAHAHAHAHA!

    Just a thought, PZ, in the future, you might consider creating an e-mail alert list for situations like this. I’m fairly sure that someone from the creo camp will read this post, and cry ‘FOUL’ about this effort. It would be more effective to be able to do this kind of action on the sly…

  94. #94 William
    April 25, 2008

    496 Yes
    1509 No

    As of 10:47CDT

    Made me laugh out loud, that did.

    I mean, er… sorry, poor little film! So sorry!

    >>chortle<<

  95. #95 Hairhead
    April 25, 2008

    It’s now 1483 to 496.

    It’s depressing, though, the number of reasonably intelligent people who are being taken in by the film. Go check out http://www.mrcranky.com/movies/expelled.html.

    The reviewer there, even though he pans the movie, accepts as fact the moviemakers’ claims that people are being fired and harrassed in the scientific/educational community for promoting Intelligent Design. Oh, and the reviewer also mixes up Evolution with Abiogenesis. Please, a couple of people, pop by the site and leave comments.

  96. #96 Dennis N
    April 25, 2008

    #92, some wrong people will sneak onto the list and point to a secret conspiracy, might as well keep it in the open. Its a public vote either way.

  97. #97 RT
    April 25, 2008

    Yes (496 votes)

    No (1683 votes)

  98. #98 Giford
    April 25, 2008

    Guys, you’re only 200 votes away from pushing ‘yes’ into 3rd place behind ‘What is it’.

    I suggest a change of tactics!

  99. #99 Darby
    April 25, 2008

    Soon the poll will be gone and all that will remain will be their traffic statistics.

    Maybe we haven’t thought this through…

  100. #100 sasha
    April 25, 2008

    LOL this is hilarious, the pharyngula community is amazing. vote tied in 20 minutes, and 1:3 –> 3:1 reversal in an hour!

    i want to vote but cant go on myspace during work! :(

  101. #101 biogeek
    April 25, 2008

    it’s now less than 20% yes, more than 65% no, with the rest as What is it, or Not sure.

    Did anyone else notice the Petition they link to near the top
    of the page? They’re planning to send it to “appropriate state and federal education officials and departments.”

  102. #102 FhnuZoag
    April 25, 2008

    Well, it’s hardly a fair or meaningful vote in the first case, being based on the Expelled myspace.

  103. #103 Curt Cameron
    April 25, 2008

    I can’t see the poll, just a gray box that says “POLL” at the top but is otherwise empty. Did they pull it?

  104. #104 MikeB
    April 25, 2008

    Why all of a sudden the increase in “What is it?” votes?

    Someone just put up a “Stop Atheism in Our Schools” Expelled flyer on a bulletin board at work. I have removed it and will keep checking for more.

    Good to see the votes adding up.

  105. #105 boomer
    April 25, 2008

    Come on, only a few more votes to push “What is it” past “Yes”!

  106. #106 Robert Ward
    April 25, 2008

    Hmm, fair enough, maybe people were just voting right around the same time I did and I missed that little bit, but the counter still went up. Either way this is great haha.

    Good stuff.

    And #102, the poll is still there right now at 12:00 EDT.

  107. #107 Hank Roberts
    April 25, 2008

    Right click, you’ve probably got crap protection enabled.

  108. #108 sasha
    April 25, 2008

    has anyone seen densha otoko? (japanese drama and movie and novel and manga)

    the pharyngula online community reminds me of that :p

  109. #109 Michael Svihura
    April 25, 2008

    The score is hugely in our favor: 65% No, 17% Yes. They’ve been pwned! It’s like the Harlem Globetrotters vs. the Washington Generals.

  110. #110 Kelly
    April 25, 2008

    Boo yah! Just voted and it now stands at:
    17% yes
    64.61% no
    and there are more “what is it” votes than ID yes votes.

  111. #111 Me
    April 25, 2008

    Classy! Interesting lives many of you lead… getting this much pleasure out of messing up an online poll that means nothing- NICE!

  112. #112 MikeM
    April 25, 2008

    I just performed my duty, oh master. What else would you like me to do?

    (“Yes” is getting creamed now.)

  113. #113 matt
    April 25, 2008

    man, proxies are only good for one extra vote… dang.
    oh well, I got in one vote for me, one for my doctor mom, one for doctor stepdad, and one for my creationist stepmom (who agrees with evolution she just doesn’t know it yet) (I have two computers at my house)!

  114. #114 Brownian, OM
    April 25, 2008

    The banner at the top of the MySpace page (for me, at least) reads,

    Date Atheist Women
    Limited-Time Free Trial Offer. Creat an Account in Under 30 Secs!
    http://www.Singlesnet.com/Atheist

    Going to MySpace was worth it just for all the godless action I’m gonna get!

  115. #115 Katsu
    April 25, 2008

    When I did my ballot box stuffing duty, we were at 15.09% yes, 64.62% no, and 20.05% for What is it? Which for What is it, happened to be 666 votes.

    …I really hope it stays that way. :)

  116. #116 Metro
    April 25, 2008

    Haaahahahahaha!

    Just voted. Current standings:

    YES: 500 votes
    NO: 2088 votes
    NOT SURE: 8 votes

    But more interestingly:
    WHAT IS IT?: 658 votes

    When you get more “Huh?” votes than “Yes” votes, you know you’re flogging a dead horse.

    Or possibly a small lizard that with time will evolve into a horse and die, thus sacrificing its life that you could have something to flog. As the unidentified Creator doubtless planned it.

  117. #117 Mike
    April 25, 2008

    Yes, happened to be… =D

  118. #118 Michael X
    April 25, 2008

    No, no, no, MikeB. Leave the flyers up. Ridicule is the tool to use in this case. If you remove them, they will complain that they are being censored. And if everyone has the right to post flyers, management could end up agreeing with them. So what to do?

    I’d suggest posting a flyer that agrees with them, like:
    “Ya! Get godlessness out of schools! Remove the atheist doctrine of Heliocentrism! Remove chemistry for its failure to thank Jesus for all chemical interactions! The theory of Gravity has no mention of God! REMOVE IT!”
    Nothing is better than raking someone over the coals, not for their ideas, but with their ideas.

    As for a backlash to this poll, what are they going to say? “Hey you skewed our poll we were skewing”? It’s like complaining to mom that big brother hit me back.

  119. #119 Brownian, OM
    April 25, 2008

    <confused>One comment, by Justin, reads, “Great Movie! And Happy Belated Easter!”, yet has an image of Ben Stein spray-painting the XVIVO video vesicle with the caption: “What? It’s not a copy/Ours is brown!”
    </confused>

  120. #120 Patricia C.
    April 25, 2008

    9:11 AM Oregon time, just voted. It’s 2106 no to 500 yes. Thats how you herd cats – point the way and those that want to go – will. *grin*

  121. #121 Ex Partiate
    April 25, 2008

    the NO’S were way ahead at the time I voted, made the mistake of reading some comments there, had to get out the Jim Beam to ease the brain pain.

  122. #122 Shygetz
    April 25, 2008

    Classy! Interesting lives many of you lead… getting this much pleasure out of messing up an online poll that means nothing- NICE!

    Oh noes, we have ruined the carefully-designed and noramlized methodology of the MySpace poll by actually voting in it, and probably wasted huge amounts of research money in the process. However shall we atone for this terrible act!?!

  123. #123 Metro
    April 25, 2008

    Oh–one more thing.

    Why is it that all the concerned Christianists in that comment thread seem to post spam images? You know: Care Bears, Angels, Mysterious Disembodied Hands?

    Strikes me as the calling card of the soft-of-head.

  124. #124 Stuart Ritchie
    April 25, 2008

    I see ‘What is it?’ has exactly 666 votes…

  125. #125 minusRusty
    April 25, 2008

    Nice machine you’ve got here, PZ!

    TO THE DICK TO THE DAWK TO THE P THE Z…
    :-)

    lol

    -Rusty

  126. #126 bernarda
    April 25, 2008

    At the moment, 66% “No” and 19% “What is it”.

  127. #127 Lionel A
    April 25, 2008

    Yes – stuck at 502 while I have been watching

    No – 2126 when I voted now at 2326.

    Maybe they will change the sense of the question so as to switch the results.

  128. #128 MikeM
    April 25, 2008

    I do like justin’s comment from April 3, though.

  129. #129 No One of Consequence
    April 25, 2008

    I know it’s not part of your $1M salary, but since we did this, can you put more horoscopes up. I can’t decide how to live my life without knowing what’s in my Pisces outlook for today.

  130. #130 MartinM
    April 25, 2008

    Yes – stuck at 502 while I have been watching

    Meaning they’ve picked up an enormous eleven votes in the past hour and a half or so.

  131. #131 Simon
    April 25, 2008

    Yes 503
    No 2436
    What is it? 666

    I feel honoured to have voted no whilst the What is ID? vote stood at 666! The devil is in the details!
    xxx :)

  132. #132 Dave
    April 25, 2008

    You’ll notice that the movie blog doesn’t have my “negative” (but constructive and polite) comment. I think they’re screening those.

  133. #133 Joshua Arnold
    April 25, 2008

    That site honestly reads like a Viagra ad. “Are you uncomfortable with evolution? Try ID.” Just replace “evolution” with “sexual performance” and replace “ID” with Viagra or any of the others.

  134. #134 Giford
    April 25, 2008

    Oooh look, one post from me (#97) and trivial, unimportant things happen on the web. Without me even voting myself!

    Perhaps this is what it feels like to be PZ :)

  135. #135 anonymous
    April 25, 2008

    I just visited the site to see how the voting was going, and I didn’t vote. But when I revisited the site, I was informed that my vote was already counted. Even though I didn’t even try to vote. I wonder which way my vote was tallied.

  136. #136 Pete M.
    April 25, 2008

    As of 12:21 pm eastern:

    Should ID be taught?

    Yes: 504
    No: 2518
    What is it?: 666

    Bwahahahahahahahahaha! ID has the mark of the beast! Not only is ID not science, but it’s the work of the devil! Does this make Dembski the antichrist? The end times are upon us, my friends…

  137. #137 Mike
    April 25, 2008

    The 666 is ruined!

  138. #138 Pete M.
    April 25, 2008

    …and while writing my above post I was preempted by Simon. Got to be quick with the funny at Pharyngula.

  139. #139 zohn
    April 25, 2008

    “This site is currently unavailable.”

    Looks like I missed my chance to vote.

  140. #140 Screechy Monkey
    April 25, 2008

    [framer]

    People, this poll-crashing HELPS BEN STEIN!!!!!!!

    [/framer]

  141. #141 aequidens
    April 25, 2008

    70% for no. Is that a passing grade?

  142. #142 strj
    April 25, 2008

    gt fckd

    [the creationists weigh in with their usual wit and insight! --pzm]

  143. #143 Joel
    April 25, 2008

    Site is still there:

    Yes – 515
    No – 3044
    What is it? – 669 (Sigh)

  144. #144 nick
    April 25, 2008

    it is now at
    yes-500
    no-3000

  145. #145 Matti Seppi
    April 25, 2008

    513 Yes 12.31%
    2976 No 71.44%
    699 What is it? 16.06%

    The joke column is doing better than the Yes…

    Keep it up guys.

  146. #146 BobC
    April 25, 2008

    There are now 3,102 NO votes.

    Only 12% of the votes are in favor of teaching magic in science classes.

  147. #147 Selcaby
    April 25, 2008

    I’ve voted.

    Can I just say I love the irony of this comment on their page (some newlines removed because it doesn’t deserve to take up that much space):

    I just got back from watching EXPELLED tonight, and all I can say is
    “BRILLIANT!”

    Thank you Mr. Stein for putting a crack in the wall.

    Once upon a time, scientists “knew” that the Earth was flat.

    Scientists “knew” that the sun and other planets revolved around the Earth.

    Scientists “knew” that inanimate matter such as raw meat could spontaneously generate into animate matter such as flies.

    Thanks to Aristotle, Copernicus, Galileo, Pasteur and other rebels of scientific thought, who dared to question accepted “facts,” modern scientists now know that many past “truths” were false.

    However, each of those past mistaken beliefs led to a more real understanding of life and of our universe.

    There would have been no Einstein without Newton.

    In a sense, there has been an “evolution” of science, and now, IT IS TIME FOR DARWINISM TO EVOLVE!

    Hopefully, the day will come when the names of Meyer, Sternberg, Gonzales and others featured in this magnificent film will be added to the list of great minds like those above who questioned authority,
    and who will have helped bring us out of the dark ages of Darwinism and into the enlightened knowledge of Intelligent Design!

    LET THE GREAT DEBATE BEGIN!

    Thank You and God Bless!

    I think he means “Thanks to Aristotle, Copernicus, Galileo, Pasteur, Darwin…”

  148. #148 Jim Lippard
    April 25, 2008

    Interesting website, especially as a response to those liars who are claiming that “Expelled” is not a Christian movie, even though its producers and writers are all evangelical Christians. That website is promoting Christian bands, Christian magazines, books by Christian apologists (Lee Strobel), and even young-earth-creationism-promoting Christian ministries like the late D. James Kennedy’s Coral Ridge Ministries.

  149. #149 Curt Cameron
    April 25, 2008

    Hank Roberts wrote:
    Right click, you’ve probably got crap protection enabled.

    I turned off AdBlock, I enabled all scripting, and enabled cookies, but it’s still a blank box. This is all in Firefox, and my IE is locked down so much it hardly shows any content there. I guess I’ll just have to keep up with the results by reading comments here.

  150. #150 susanbrown
    April 25, 2008

    Yes – 517
    No – 3207
    WTFII? 670

    Yikes, I tried to make a comment, but I got sent to myspace and told I had to be someone’s friend to comment. Did I hit the wrong button or something? I don’t WANT to be expelled’s BFF.

    @Screechy Monkey — you framer, you, haha!

  151. #151 Spinoza
    April 25, 2008

    But, hold on, shouldn’t it be “taught” in say, an intro Philosophy of Science course on the distinction between Science and Pseudoscience? (The University of Toronto does, indeed, deal with this, in their course “Science and Pseudoscience”).

    The philosopher Michael Ruse (I’m sure PZ has heard of him), in fact, has a paper in the seminal “Philosophy of Science: The Central Issues” by Curd & Cover, called “Creation-Science is Not Science”.

    Brilliant stuff, EVERYONE should take that course.

    *I realize the poll is probably talking about highschool biology classes… but I had to play devil’s advocate*

  152. #152 MReap
    April 25, 2008

    72% No at 11:44am.

  153. #153 Jim Lippard
    April 25, 2008

    There’s even a commenter promoting Kent Hovind!

    But no, this isn’t promoting Christianity or young-earth creationism…

    BTW, one of my coworkers just referred to intelligent design as “creationism wearing a paper bag on its head.”

  154. #154 Dennis N
    April 25, 2008

    #64, look what horrid cr&p you made me stumble on. I say everyone have a go at that comment board.

  155. #155 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    Since #146 posted, “yes” has gone down from 12% to 11.2%, and “no” has gained 321 votes (from 3,102 to 3,423).

    Nice work, pharyngulites.

  156. #156 Jason G.
    April 25, 2008

    So, I went to lunch and came back to 3400 No votes and almost 75%. I have to say I’m impressed.

  157. #157 C Shrew
    April 25, 2008

    @110

    How is voting messing up an online poll? We are online and we are giving our honest opinion. Is it messing it up if you don’t agree with it?

  158. #158 Zag Doughnut
    April 25, 2008

    Yes. Of course it should be taught. It’s education, after all. Now, it probably shouldn’t be presented as science, because “Intelligent Design” isn’t science, it’s a philosophical and socioanthropological concept. If it’s taught in a sociology, philosophy, comparative religion, or event civics/current events sort of curriculum, that would be absolutely appropriate. It might even be appropriate as a lead in to discussions on mathematical complexity, chaos, and population genetics since all those things address the issue as well.

  159. #159 cynthax
    April 25, 2008

    Someone mentioned a dating banner on the site. I got one too: “Chinese Ladies for Marriage”. Ah ah ah, Do they only have dating banners? Is that an attempt to promote marriage and create new little creationists??

  160. #160 PZ Myers
    April 25, 2008

    Perhaps this is what it feels like to be PZ

    Don’t wish that on yourself. I’ve got a worsening sore throat and a whole lot of grading and writing to do…it doesn’t feel so good to be PZ right now.

  161. #161 Jim Lippard
    April 25, 2008

    I think “What is it?” is the best answer, since there is no scientific theory of intelligent design.

  162. #162 hum
    April 25, 2008

    I find it interesting that people from “new/modern” countries like the USA etc are affected by such nonsense (ID and other crap). People over here in Greece are extremely religious but still accept evolution as a fact. I think you folks over there must cure the cause of these uber extreme “Christianity issues” instead of having these atheists vs christians debates ;o. I believe that somebody must be extremely miserable and have a bad life in order to turn to religion as last resort/hope like that. Sorry if I don’t make much sense :)

  163. #163 Stephanie
    April 25, 2008

    My favorite comment:
    “Saw the preview version in Albuquerque…must say, that Mark Mathis and the rest of the crew did a fine job. Loved the discussions with Richard Dawkins and Euginie Scott…It’s shocking to hear such aetheistic and hostile speach from such scientific and “open minded” people.
    Keep spittin’ fire!”

    Because:
    1)Ammunition against my buddy from Albuquerque the next time he mocks my occasionally backwards home city;

    2)The commenter confounds open-mindedness with credulity;

    3)I learned a new word! I don’t know what “aetheistic” signifies, but I figure based on the spelling that the root must be Greek.

  164. #164 Joshua Arnold
    April 25, 2008

    Most of the Expelled page is an appeal to discomfort. (“Does evolution scare you?” basically.) Isn’t there a technical name for this sort of fallacy?

  165. #165 Dennis N
    April 25, 2008

    Haha over at that site I mentioned is the classic, classic unsubstantiated need for tight control of their comments I’ve seen so many times:

    “Because certain atheists have posted bizarre pornographic images and obscenities on our blog, we have been forced to enable comment moderation.”

  166. #166 susanbrown
    April 25, 2008

    @Spinoza — I agree with you for the most part — I even wanted to make a comment about that when I answered the poll (but it sent me to MySpace, but that’s another story), but part of me thinks that as it stands, ID isn’t even coherent enough to be taught in a Philosophy of Science course. One minute they say ID has nothing to do with religion, and in the next breath they are contradicting that.

    That being said, I agree that everyone should take a similar course.

  167. #167 ThirdMonkey
    April 25, 2008

    I just looked over the comments. Ow! My head!
    The level of iconography going on is a bit much.

    You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
    Exodus 20:4 (As in Commandment #2!)

    I swear. Don’t these people even read their own holy book?

    Oh! Tee hee…

    But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work
    you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns.
    Exodus 20:10

    Belief in the Bible leads to slavery!

  168. #168 mas528
    April 25, 2008

    I know this is Off Topic ™, but I think it is funny that not one of the “What others are saying” on myspace nor the getexpelled(read more) is qualified to say anything about either evolution OR I.D.

    I do notice that most of them are somewhat qualified to talk about religion though.

    Well, unless I.D. is creationism, then Revs Wildmon and Steir, Drs. Packer and Dobson, as well as Ken, Pat, and Kirk do have something to say, since any fool can talk about creationism.

  169. #169 Brownian, OM
    April 25, 2008

    I say everyone have a go at that comment board.

    Sorry Dennis, but as truly independent freethinkers trying to undermine the dogmatic orthodoxy of the day, they’ve enabled comment moderation.

    *Fingers in ears* La-la-la! You guys can’t stand honest inquiry! La-la-la.

    May Cthulhu savour their decomposing flesh last.

  170. #170 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    @#147 Selcaby quoted:

    Once upon a time, scientists “knew” that the Earth was flat.

    Scientists “knew” that the sun and other planets revolved around the Earth.

    Yes, and where did these gems of scientific “knowledge” come from? The…wait a minute…I’ve almost got it…rhymes with libel…

    Also, even millenia before the voyages of Chris Columbus, most educated people accepted the fact that the earth was not flat, but rather spherical in shape. Pythagoras, Aristotle, and Plato all were aware of this fact. For example, in his De Caelo, Aristotle made the following arguments for a spherical earth:

    Every portion of the earth tends toward the center until by compression and convergence they form a sphere. (De caelo, 297a9-21); Travelers going south see southern constellations rise higher above the horizon; and The shadow of Earth on the Moon during a lunar eclipse is round. (De caelo, 297b31-298a10)

    (Shamelessly lifted from Wikipedia)

    This knowledge wasn’t conveniently forgotten by Columbus et al either; despite some ignorant religious people’s silly misunderstanding of geography, pretty much all scientists and sailors accepted that the earth was round (sound familiar? anyone? anyone?). The whole thing about Columbus et al thinking the earth was flat is a silly myth propogated by Washington Irvine’s fantastical The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus and by misguided, undereducated K-12 history teachers everywhere.

  171. #171 susanbrown
    April 25, 2008

    @Dennis — when they say “bizarre pornographic images and obscenities” on their blog, I think they mean charts of transitional forms and cladistic diagrams, etc.

  172. #172 Lynnai
    April 25, 2008

    Less people want it taught then don’t know what it is, this I find almost as funy as the 3000+ no votes.

  173. #173 Rich
    April 25, 2008

    “they are going to (a) blame it on a vast atheistic, Darwinianismist conspiracy” Yeah, but this time it’s true, we are conspiring against this poll. No evil reason, it’s just fun! 76.83% and still rising!

  174. #174 dyak
    April 25, 2008

    Just voted – No is now 78.28%, nearly 4000 no’s to about 500 yes’s.

    I wonder how long that will last till it gets either removed or the yes’s “miraculously” catch up.

  175. #175 Joe Dunckley
    April 25, 2008

    Eww. You made me open a myspace page! Crash my computer my more :/

  176. #176 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    Off topic, but PZ, is there anyway you could change the script you use to post links in order to make them go to a new window/tab when people click on them? It makes me sad when I’m navigated away from Pharyngula and onto a creationist nonsense page whenever I forget to manually make the link open in a new tab.

  177. #177 ShavenYak
    April 25, 2008

    Stephanie (#163): I think “aetheism” would have to be the belief that the atmosphere is God.

    I had to vote “What is it?” because I have yet to actually hear of a “theory of Intelligent Design”. They don’t have anything that even rises to the level of hypothesis, much less theory.

  178. #178 Adrian Hayter
    April 25, 2008

    Voted!

    It now stands at about 7:1 in our favour.

  179. #179 e-lad
    April 25, 2008

    8.2:1

  180. #180 Brownian, OM
    April 25, 2008

    Well, at least they’ve got the idea of Expelled: the movement partially right.

    They forgot to include ‘bowel’ as the penultimate word, though.

    Must be more of Miller’s shitty, shitty writing.

  181. #181 Seamyst
    April 25, 2008

    Voted! It’s now 536 Yes, 4591 No – we’re currently at 78.95% of the total vote.

  182. #182 raven
    April 25, 2008

    Probably worth doing but it won’t work. This is Mathis et al., a vicious group of pathological liars. When the voting is done, they will just Make Something Up.

    I’m surprised they haven’t posted the glowing review of the movie from Jesus and the Holy Spirit yet.

  183. #183 Rahne
    April 25, 2008

    Move Zig!

  184. #184 Physics PhD student at an Ivy
    April 25, 2008

    Not everyone who believes in ID is an uneducated idiot. There are many brilliant scientists, widely respected in their fields, who don’t consider the concept of ID to be in opposition to science.

    Many scientific theories are not agreed upon by everybody. I’m not saying that ID should be taught in schools–at that level, perhaps the most common theories should be presented.

    But please, don’t make blanket statements that personally attack those who take the less popular viewpoint.

  185. #185 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    @#182 raven:

    I’m surprised they haven’t posted the glowing review of the movie from Jesus and the Holy Spirit yet.

    Soon you’ll see at the beginning of the movie: “I’m Jesus Christ, and I endorse this message.”

  186. #186 BlueIndependent
    April 25, 2008

    Is there an Expelled: Exposed MySpace page?

    I voted no. The “friends” section is truly a collection of fools. And the comments: oh I loved it!, oh God is so great!, oh Mark Mathis is a genius! Talk about easy. These people employ a fast food drive-up window mentality about facts.

  187. #187 andrew
    April 25, 2008

    wow i read the post and voted no, saw the results as 510 to 4800 and was like ‘ahhh maybe i accidentally voted for the wrong one!!’, but upon more careful reading, they YES’s are absolutely dominating!!!

    and in a span of only 3 hours!

  188. #188 Valmorian
    April 25, 2008

    @184: Which common theories would those be?

  189. #189 Andy C
    April 25, 2008

    And another one.

    Yes: 542
    No: 4908
    Not Sure: 11
    What is it?: 702

  190. #190 BobC
    April 25, 2008

    #160 (the great PZ): “I’ve got a worsening sore throat…”

    Suck on one of these until it melts in your mouth. It works for me.

    Solaray CranActin Cranberry AF Extract
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    180 Vegetarian Capsules for $18.39
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  191. #191 extatyzoma
    April 25, 2008

    well of course theres no ‘theory’ of intelligent design to begin with, well not a scientific one anyway.

    creati…ID could be mentioned alongside many, many other creation myths/ideas in religious studies lessons, do they even do that in the USA????

  192. #192 Euan
    April 25, 2008

    The comments section on that is probably one of the most moronic things I have seen on all of the internet.

  193. #193 Slaughter
    April 25, 2008

    It must be working. Only three minutes after Andy C’s post, I voted, and it was 5,023 votes no to 543 yes. Keep it up, folks!

  194. #194 gramomster
    April 25, 2008

    Just voted…

    Yes – 542 or 8.7%
    No – 5011 or 79.8% (YAY)
    WTF – 703 or 11.28%
    NS – 12 or .19%

    Fun fun fun… and I do have a myspace, but I’m NOT friending the freaks!
    Gag.

  195. #195 James
    April 25, 2008

    Haha, even the what is it option is beating the yes now.

  196. #196 Chris Hughes
    April 25, 2008

    81% say NO!

  197. #197 extatyzoma
    April 25, 2008

    wow, according to the blurb on that webpage we could be just ‘lucky mud’!!

    expelledthemovement!!!! i thought movements were always expelled, with a bit of peristalsis.

  198. #198 gramomster
    April 25, 2008

    Ah, too late…

    It’s just moving too fast to keep up with…

    *sigh*

    must. finish. paper.

  199. #199 revulo
    April 25, 2008

    WOW

    5189 votes for “No”, only 545 votes for “Yes”.
    Hell, there’s more votes for “What is it?” (705)
    This is priceless!

  200. #200 BobC
    April 25, 2008

    It wouldn’t let me vote a 2nd time.

    There are now 5,179 NO votes. 80.41%.

    Only 8.46% votes are in favor of magic.

  201. #201 Brownian, OM
    April 25, 2008

    Not everyone who believes in ID is an uneducated idiot. There are many brilliant scientists, widely respected in their fields, who don’t consider the concept of ID to be in opposition to science.

    Many scientific theories are not agreed upon by everybody. I’m not saying that ID should be taught in schools–at that level, perhaps the most common theories should be presented.

    But please, don’t make blanket statements that personally attack those who take the less popular viewpoint.

    Name them. We already know who they are, what they’ve done, and where they’ve got off the deep end trying to reconcile their religious dogmas with the wealth of evidence that contradicts said viewpoints. Do you?

    Further, ID’s failing as a science has nothing to do with popularity. It’s not a science because it doesn’t depend on evidence, makes no predictions, and has little to no explanatory whatsoever, especially when compared against the theory of evolution.

    It’s unfortunate that you feel personally attacked for supporting ID, but rather than making appeals to authority, perhaps you’d do better by actually looking at what those ‘brilliant, widely-respected’ IDiots are claiming, and how their claims fall short.

  202. #202 extatyzoma
    April 25, 2008

    i suppose the question should be saying something like

    ‘should the hypothesis of ID be taught in science classes alongside the theory of evolution?’**

    ** before answering the poll please familiarise yourself with the scientific usage of ‘hypothesis’ and ‘theory’ first.

  203. #203 sacredchao
    April 25, 2008

    Well, we are now destroying them by about 900:1. To bad winning in school board meetings isn’t that easy.

  204. #204 mayhempix
    April 25, 2008

    “No” is now at 80.42% with 5183 votes.
    “Yes” is 8.46% with 545 votes.

    Mathis will be screaming about PZ’s “manipulation” as Expelled drops like a ID lead balloon at the box office.

  205. #205 Holbach
    April 25, 2008

    Heck, I tried to sneak another vote in but it caught me. Silly me!

  206. #206 raven
    April 25, 2008

    Liar for Jesus from DFN:

    Not everyone who believes in ID is an uneducated idiot. There are many brilliant scientists, widely respected in their fields, who don’t consider the concept of ID to be in opposition to science.

    That is a lie. You are a fundie Xian. Fundie Xian Cultist=Liar is as proven as the germ theory of disease. You also aren’t a physics Ph.D. candidate at an ivy. More likely trailer trash in Kansas somewhere.

    There are a few kooks and religious fanatics with degrees who push ID based on their religious beliefs. So what, there are a few kooks such as the guy at Harvard who believe that reptiloid aliens kidnap people and stick probes up their rear end. And many more brilliant scientists end up in detox programs or mental hospitals than believe ID.

    A better measure would be the number of secular or atheist scientists who believe in ID. There is probably one or two and they are probably in an involuntary lockup somewhere.

    Look at the numbers. Acceptance of evolution among relevant scientists in the USA is over 99%. It is higher in Europe.

  207. #207 wjv
    April 25, 2008

    Good grief, the comments on that page…

    I didn’t actually realise it was possible to get stupid in an even more concentrated form than on the average MySpace page.

  208. #208 Don
    April 25, 2008

    Just voted. An honest question deserves an honest answer.

    @184,

    Could you identify, say, three of the ‘many brilliant scientists, widely respected in their fields,’ who are sympathetic to ID?

  209. #209 Holbach
    April 25, 2008

    I’ll bet those creo morons are fuming! They’ll probably called in the real wackos like Planet Killer to infest our site with the dregs of insanity! I tried to get in this message: “Expell them all from this planet”!

  210. #210 Darwin
    April 25, 2008

    This is not the behavior of science minded people. This is the behavior of zealots. And the saddest commentary on the state of US education is that none of the proud people on this page who are going out of their way to skew a well intentioned poll realize that they an unfortunate example of the carnivorous zealotry they so passionately reject as “religious behavior”…

    But this of course explains the state of the USA today.

    Worshipping science as a religion to the exclusion of civilized behavior and discourse is not the same thing as being science minded.

    But it will get you into Mr. Dawkin’s little cult.

  211. #211 Michael X
    April 25, 2008

    a well intentioned poll

    I’m calling bullshit.

  212. #212 DAve
    April 25, 2008

    Just voted. We’re up 5756 to 556.

  213. #213 Rick Schauer
    April 25, 2008

    I’ve voted eight times: once on each of the systems at my office! I feel like a delusional republican creationist voting that many times.

    Current standings: 533 Yes vs. 5635 No

  214. #214 Bob L
    April 25, 2008

    184 @ Not everyone who believes in ID is an uneducated idiot. There are many brilliant scientists, widely respected in their fields, who don’t consider the concept of ID to be in opposition to science.

    Sure, the Expelled people make the same argument. It’s only by happy chance that ID mirrors it’s proponents religious beliefs to the letter. If only we atheists could see beyond the blinders of naturalism and accept that the supernatural has a place in science.

  215. #215 me
    April 25, 2008

    I hope you feel better soon PZ, we need you!
    *hug*

  216. #216 hermit
    April 25, 2008

    “a well intentioned poll” from above

    Don’t be silly, it’s a politically loaded poll if there ever was one.

    5700+ “No” to 540 “Yes” Votes, better than a 10:1 lead!

  217. #217 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    @#210 Darwin:

    Worshipping science as a religion to the exclusion of civilized behavior and discourse is not the same thing as being science minded

    If you’ve followed any number of threads on this blog, you’ll know that many of the posters here have tried (with little success) to engage creationists in civilized discourse. Unfortunately, it’s impossible to do this on Expelled’s myspace page because they censor the comments. So instead of being able to engage in civilized discourse, all we can do is put our votes in at the poll. And how voting in an open internet poll is ‘uncivilized’ is a bit beyond me…creationist blogs are free to put up posts encouraging their readers to do the same. This is just an expression of public opinion. Any duplicate voting is simply something that comes with the territory when it comes to internet polls. I’m sure people on both sides are doing it.

  218. #218 kmarissa
    April 25, 2008

    This is not the behavior of science minded people.

    That’s right. I mean, how many of you wore your white lab coats when you voted? How many held a clipboard and wore protective glasses? How many got a thoughtful little frown and said “hmm” a few times first? Huh? Huh?

  219. #219 dyak
    April 25, 2008

    Rich Schauer, is that not rather foolish – both doing it and then (even more foolish) admitting it HERE of all places – he expelled guys will be checking the links to their page and reading the comments here. Sorry, but you and the others who said they tried to vote several times have just given the expelled guys the perfect pretext to remove the poll and point questioners to your comment.

  220. #220 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    @#218 kmarissa –

    *gasp* You’re right! I remembered my protective goggles, but utterly forgot the lab coat. I’d better put that on and go to another one of my work computers and vote again, this time in a science-minded fashion.

  221. #221 Alex
    April 25, 2008

    Now this is entertainment!! Over 200 comments. I am … gleeful.

  222. #222 Brownian, OM
    April 25, 2008

    But this of course explains the state of the USA today.

    Really? Science zealots explains the state of the USA today? What part of the state does it explain? Poverty? War? Unequal access to healthcare? Bette Midler’s lack of recent movie rolls?

    Please explain what you mean (I won’t even ask why you think your statement merits an ‘of course’), for as it stands, your statement is completely devoid of meaning. Since we all know the ‘state of the USA today’ is probably most simply described as a dynamic and complex system, pointing to one factor and screaming Aha! is most probably incorrect, you might as well have said “Dandelions the state of the USA today” and retained the same truth value.

    But as I’m not the type of man to criticise another’s idea without offering a suitable if not better replacement, I’ll offer up a truer statement for you to chew on: You’re a fucking idiot.

    Learn to explicate the premises underlying your conclusions (y’know, actually make an argument), or go cry somewhere else.

  223. #223 mike
    April 25, 2008

    Science zealots? hurray! 8:1!

  224. #224 raven
    April 25, 2008

    Fundie Death Cultist:

    This is not the behavior of science minded people. This is the behavior of zealots.

    Weren’t you a Ph.D in physics a few minutes ago? Hope your trailer in Lower Boondocks, Kansas hasn’t been hit by the tornados in the midwest lately.

    The real story is the persecution of scientists by Fundie Xian Death cultists, who have fired, harassed, beaten up, and killed evolutionary biologists and their supporters whenever they can.

    This is, of course, exactly the behavior of zealots who long ago forgot what the Christ in Christian stood for. These days, fundie is synonymous with liar, ignorant, stupid, and sometimes killer.

    http://www.sunclipse.org/?p=626 [link goes to Blake Stacey's blog which has a must read essay with documentation of the cases below.]

    As usual the truth is the exact opposite. The creos have been firing, beating up, attempting to fire, and killing scientists and science supporters for a while now. They are way ahead on body counts.

    Posting the list of who is really being beaten up, threatened, fired, attempted to be fired, and killed. Not surprisingly, it is scientists and science supporters by Death Cultists.

    I’ve discovered that this list really bothers fundies. Truth to them is like a cross to a vampire.

    There is a serious reign of terror by Xian fundie terrorists directed against the reality based academic community, specifically acceptors of evolution. I’m keeping a running informal tally, listed below. They include death threats, firings, attempted firings, assaults, and general persecution directed against at least 11 people. The Expelled Liars have totally ignored the ugly truth of just who is persecuting who.

    If anyone has more info add it. Also feel free to borrow or steal the list.

    I thought I’d post all the firings of professors and state officials for teaching or accepting evolution.

    2 professors fired, Bitterman (SW CC Iowa) and Bolyanatz (Wheaton)

    1 persecuted unmercifully Richard Colling (Olivet)

    1 attempted firing Murphy (Fuller Theological by Phillip Johnson IDist)

    1 successful death threats, assaults harrasment Gwen Pearson (UT Permian)

    1 state official fired Chris Comer (Texas)

    1 assault, fired from dept. Chair Paul Mirecki (U. of Kansas)

    1 killed, Rudi Boa, Biomedical Student (Scotland)

    Death Threats Eric Pianka UT Austin and the Texas Academy of Science engineered by a hostile, bizarre IDist named Bill Dembski

    Death Threats Michael Korn, fugitive from justice, towards the UC Boulder biology department and miscellaneous evolutionary biologists.

    Death Threats Judge Jones Dover trial. He was under federal marshall protection for a while

    Up to 11 with little effort. Probably there are more. I turned up a new one with a simple internet search. Haven’t even gotten to the secondary science school teachers.

    And the Liars of Expelled have the nerve to scream persecution. On body counts the creos are way ahead.

  225. #225 Not Ben Stein
    April 25, 2008

    “But please, don’t make blanket statements that personally attack those who take the less popular viewpoint.”

    Because science is about viewpoints…right?

    BTW, what testable hypothesis does ID present???

    Bueller?

  226. #226 Brownian, OM
    April 25, 2008

    Bette Midler’s lack of recent movie rolls

    Hmm. I believe I meant roles. She may not be working on the silver screen, but I’m sure she’s not going hungry.

  227. #227 Valor
    April 25, 2008

    I just voted. ~ 83% no, 8% yes, and most of the rest are what is its.
    This is kind of sad. Did you look at the page’s friends, btw? none of them are people. Which I think is weird.

  228. #228 Jay
    April 25, 2008

    Nothing about Expelled has been well intentioned up to this point. Why start with the poll?

  229. #229 lydia
    April 25, 2008

    Suck on one of these until it melts in your mouth. It works for me.

    Solaray CranActin Cranberry AF Extract
    Guaranteed bacterial antiadherence activity
    180 Vegetarian Capsules for $18.39

    In the interest of healthy skepticism, I’d love to see the studies that implicate cranberry in oral bacterial antiadherence. I am aware that there was an antiadherence effect posited in UTI (as opposed to an acidity effect), but is there any evidence that this holds true anywhere outside the bladder?

  230. #230 AJ
    April 25, 2008

    6166 NO
    564 YES

    I hope everyone is limiting themselves to ONE vote, or we can rightly be accused of cheating.

    However, posting a link, and having people cast their vote is perfectly legit in a public poll, isn’t it?

  231. #231 Meyrick Kirby
    April 25, 2008

    Results

    Yes: 564
    No: 6203, and increasing rapidly
    What is it: 709

    My prediction: They remove the poll!

  232. #232 James F
    April 25, 2008

    PZ,

    This poll is a fun way to annoy Mathis and company, but that MySpace site preaches to the converted and the poll will probably disappear. May I recommend that we use our numbers to make an impact in polls that would be read by the average moviegoer? For example:

    The Internet Movie Database. Registration is free and lets you read the discussion sections, make comments, and rate movies. Expelled is at 3.6/10.

    Yahoo Movies (movies.yahoo.com). Expelled is getting a B!

    Rotten Tomatoes (www.rottentomatoes.com). Fortunately, the drubbing that Expelled is getting at the hands of the critics (0% positive reviews by top critics, 10% positive reviews overall) can’t be tampered with, but notice the user rating: 53%.

    Fandango (www.fandango.com). Expelled is rated “Go!”

    What do you say, PZ? We could take them down a peg or three.

  233. #233 Bob L
    April 25, 2008

    Dawrin @ #210 “This is not the behavior of science minded people. This is the behavior of zealots. And the saddest commentary on the state of US education is that none of the proud people on this page who are going out of their way to skew a well intentioned poll realize that they an unfortunate example of the carnivorous zealotry they so passionately reject as “religious behavior”…”

    Actually this is just how it’s done on the internet. The whole point of the medium is to anonymously insult other people and look at dirty pictures.

    Anyway as a Christian you KNOW we atheists secretly worship Satan so what do expect out of us?

    It’s what are dark (tentacled) master commands.

  234. #234 Alex
    April 25, 2008

    Hey everybody!! Let’s vote on what’s true!! YAY!!

    IDiots.

    To all you complainers and especially the anti-science morons, if you are over the age of 40, you most likely would already be dead without the contributions of science. If you managed somehow to keep yourself alive, all of your teeth would probably be gone and you would be plagued with a host of ailments. You certainly would be on your way out. So keep praying to your deity about your problems. Dumb-asses.

  235. #235 wooddragon
    April 25, 2008

    Consider that poll crashed. The ‘no’s’ are killing ‘em…

  236. #236 Meyrick Kirby
    April 25, 2008

    Bob L (#233)

    we atheists secretly worship Satan

    I thought all atheists worshiped the flying spaghetti monster?!

  237. #237 Michael
    April 25, 2008

    The 2nd law of thermodynamics demanded that I flip a coin before voting, lest I increase the amount of information in the myspace closed system. Since I’m an intelligent designer and not bounded by the laws of nature I ignored the coin flip and voted ‘no’.

  238. #238 JCG
    April 25, 2008

    #233

    Actually this is just how it’s done on the internet. The whole point of the medium is to anonymously insult other people and look at dirty pictures.

    I believe we have a winner…

    http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2004/20040319h.jpg

  239. #239 Moses
    April 25, 2008

    Dawrin @ #210 “This is not the behavior of science minded people. This is the behavior of zealots. And the saddest commentary on the state of US education is that none of the proud people on this page who are going out of their way to skew a well intentioned poll realize that they an unfortunate example of the carnivorous zealotry they so passionately reject as “religious behavior”…”

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha… You people have destroyed the quality of education, with your intollerence and idiocy, in America to such an extent that:

    A. We “think” we’re great.
    B. We suck-ass across the board.

    You guys have destroyed history, science, literature, art and English. Only math hasn’t been attacked by you boobs. And you constantly push your effing religion down the throats of our children, directly or indirectly, every chance you get.

    So piss-off if you don’t like us fucking with a bunch of lying asswipes who want to take us even closer to the dark ages than we are today.

  240. #240 Brownian, OM
    April 25, 2008

    However, posting a link, and having people cast their vote is perfectly legit in a public poll, isn’t it?

    Not really, at least according to the IDiots. PZ’s posting of this link constitutes an educational service, and we know they’re absolutely vehement that nobody educated about the issue should have a say.

    Why else would they invite church groups and not scientists to a movie that purports to be about science?

  241. #241 Bubba Hayseed
    April 25, 2008

    “Only math hasn’t been attacked by you boobs.”

    Pi = 3 any other answer is THE WORK OF SATAN!

  242. #242 firemancarl
    April 25, 2008

    Poll update

    570 votes or 7.25% YES

    6571 votes or 83.55% NO

  243. #243 Moses
    April 25, 2008

    Not everyone who believes in ID is an uneducated idiot. There are many brilliant scientists, widely respected in their fields, who don’t consider the concept of ID to be in opposition to science.

    Posted by: Physics PhD student at an Ivy | April 25, 2008 1:21 PM

    No there aren’t. There are people who’ve gone off the deep end and have had their cachet of respect lost because of this. Just like Kerry Mullis and Peter Duesberg lost their cachet of respect because of their HIV denial.

  244. #244 Eisnel
    April 25, 2008

    Yes: 570
    No: 6,586 (and flying higher each time I refresh)

    As George W Bush would say: “Mission accomplished!”

  245. #245 Rick Schauer
    April 25, 2008

    #219, dyak,
    What? Per contra, Si vis pacem para bellum! Primas sum: primatum nil a me alienum puto.

  246. #246 Bob L
    April 25, 2008

    Meyrick Kirby @ I thought all atheists worshiped the flying spaghetti monster?!

    Which in the mind of a Christian would be Satan. They’re only going to look at the FSM and say “HAH Caught you! You see, those atheists really believe the divine!” and in the Xian world view any god not God is Satan.

  247. #247 Roland
    April 25, 2008

    Just noticed that the first three digits of the “no” votes right now are “666″…Hope we’re not accidentally triggering the apocalypse. I forgot to pay my rapture insurance this month….

  248. #248 MikeM
    April 25, 2008

    Moses, I have to assume you’ve never heard of Ralph Rene:

    http://ralphrene.com/index.html

    Always happy to help.

    Among his many claims: pi=3.1463 (see http://www.badastronomy.com/whatsnew/whatsnew2002.html for more info on that one).

    For some reason, academia blew him off. Go figure.

  249. #249 Michael Woelfel
    April 25, 2008

    “since any fool can talk about creationism.” (mas528) #168 You actually got it backwards, it is written in the bible: “the fool has said in his heart there is no God”.

  250. #250 Avekid
    April 25, 2008

    Darwin & other miffed creobots:

    Um… Participating in a public online poll is what now? Choosing the option that best reflects our beliefs — an option, moreover, made available to us by the authors of the poll — is *not* “ruining” the poll or “skewing” the results. Neither is thus participating unscientific or just an exercise in zealotry.

    If you kids only want input from those who would say “yes”, you have two courses of action: 1) make the poll private, only available to those who are friends with that particular MySpace group; or 2) remove “no” from the list of possible answers. Since you and your cronies went neither of these routes, quit your whining: we’re simply playing *your* game by *your* rules.

  251. #251 Rick Schauer
    April 25, 2008

    #239
    Go…Moses!

  252. #252 sidelined
    April 25, 2008

    Rick Schauer in post # 213

    “I’ve voted eight times”

    Well Congratulations! Now you can count yourself among the IDiots in terms of honesty and integrity. W

  253. #253 Moses
    April 25, 2008

    “since any fool can talk about creationism.” (mas528) #168 You actually got it backwards, it is written in the bible: “the fool has said in his heart there is no God”.

    Posted by: Michael Woelfel | April 25, 2008 2:25 PM

    I’m the Quizach Haderach… ;)

  254. #254 Moses
    April 25, 2008

    Err, sorry, that’s Kwisatz Haderach.

  255. #255 Avekid
    April 25, 2008

    … And I second Rick:

    Go Moses!!!

  256. #256 BlueIndependent
    April 25, 2008

    I hope someone is taking snapshots of that poll so when it inevitably flips to be 95% Yes, 2% no, 3% everything else, we can prove with a timestamp that in fact the huge “support” is simply webmaster antics.

  257. #257 JCG
    April 25, 2008

    #253

    Err, sorry, that’s Kwisatz Haderach.

    http://relliott4.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/dunecat.jpg

  258. #258 John Wilder
    April 25, 2008

    “since any fool can talk about creationism.” (mas528) #168 You actually got it backwards, it is written in the bible: “the fool has said in his heart there is no God”.
    -Michael Woelfel

    What I like about this, is that you’re quoting a book about God that insults people that don’t believe in him.

    It’s analogous to Having “The Book of Michael Woelfel”, and saying my book says people that don’t love Michael Woelfel are stupid.

  259. #259 Prof MTH
    April 25, 2008

    It appears they have removed the poll within the past hour.

  260. #260 AJ
    April 25, 2008

    Yahoo Movies review link below.

    You can rate & review using your existing Yahoo username.

    http://movies.yahoo.com/mvc/drv?mid=1809995068&s=rc_d&vm=1&ys=4G3ZvxnX.AFBV4mLwiba9g–

  261. #261 Ryan F Stello
    April 25, 2008

    That was fun.

    “Big Science” has nothing on “Big Gearjamming”

  262. #262 Smeg
    April 25, 2008

    #258

    It was up 10 minutes ago…try reloading.

  263. #263 Alex
    April 25, 2008

    “the fool has said in his heart there is no God”.

    Sounds like advice an ancient goat herder might consider valuable.

  264. #264 Michael X
    April 25, 2008

    In the book of Michael X it reads “Michael Woelfel is a twit” So what’s your point?

    I can do this all day…

  265. #265 craig
    April 25, 2008

    “the fool has said in his heart there is no God”.

    And the wise say it out loud.

  266. #266 Jake
    April 25, 2008

    Poll still there: 7163 no – 579 yes as of 2:41 pm EDT.

    That’s 84.59%!!

  267. #267 Dennis N
    April 25, 2008

    Sounds like advice an ancient goat herder might consider valuable.

    Alex, I’m thinking about stealing that (with permission) and using it whenever someone quotes the Bible, maybe loudly at the end of every church sermon. It’s simple, and comes off innocent.

  268. #268 Avekid
    April 25, 2008

    #258 — It may just take a long time to load but it should come up eventually. I think it may be suffering from the Pharyngula Effect.

    (No is almost at 85%!)

  269. #269 Brownian, OM
    April 25, 2008

    Poor Michael Waffle(head) hasn’t even read his own favourite book. His post reverses mas528′s comment to call mas528 a fool (however indirectly). Yet Jesus plainly says in Matthew 5:22: “but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”

    Of course, ol’ JC himself is in danger of hellfire, for he calls people fools in Matthew 23:17, 19 and in Luke 11:40. Then again, he’s God, so he can do whatever the hell he wants. (Of course, as a god, can he have really died? And if so, and he can come back as he’s clearly said to have done, then what kind of a sacrifice did he actually make? And to whom was he paying off our debt of sin? Why wouldn’t said Divine Bookie take a cashier’s check? Why would he demand the death of a god, who by definition cannot be killed?)

    Great book you’ve got there. Try reading it sometime, fuckhead.

  270. #270 Heather
    April 25, 2008

    Ben Stein was on the Craig Ferguson show last night.

    They played a clip from Expelled and Craig implied that he would need to be stoned in order to watch the whole movie. It was fabulous.

    Stein: “Don’t fire people because they say the planets do stay in their orbits because of something other than Darwinism.”

    Yep. Brilliant.

  271. #271 Moses
    April 25, 2008

    #253

    Err, sorry, that’s Kwisatz Haderach.

    http://relliott4.files.wordpress.com/2007/03/dunecat.jpg

    Posted by: JCG | April 25, 2008 2:34 PM

    Oh, damn, that was funny.

  272. #272 Cyd Watts
    April 25, 2008

    More than 10:1 against when I voted; twice, once for me, once for my roommate at his request. Then I went to IMDB to rate the movie 1 star:

    Votes:
    592 at 25.4% 10 stars
    119 at 5.1% 9 stars
    94 at 4.0% 8 stars
    47 at 2.0% 7 stars
    12 at 0.5% 6 stars
    16 at 0.7% 5 stars
    15 at 0.6% 4 stars
    35 at 1.5% 3 stars
    72 at 3.1% 2 stars
    1,330 at 57.0% 1 star

    Interesting that the vast majority of votes are 1 star, but the movie has an overall 3.62 stars.

    I’m sure that will improve.

    The biggest surprise is that the poll was still up as late as midafternoon (when I voted 15 minutes ago).

    Woohoo!

  273. #273 ThirdMonkey
    April 25, 2008

    “the fool has said in his heart there is no God”.

    True Scotsman fallacy.

  274. #274 Kris
    April 25, 2008

    7339 against, 582 for. PZ, this blog’s on reddit. Check out some work from NC State: http://news.ncsu.edu/releases/2007/april/065.html
    (T-rex soft-tissue DNA test shows it’s an avian ancestor). Seems like it needs a ‘paternity test’ joke.

  275. #275 Blake Stacey
    April 25, 2008

    Stein: “Don’t fire people because they say the planets do stay in their orbits because of something other than Darwinism.”

    [spit take]

    I’m sorry, even now I’m not yet used to this level of burning stupid.

  276. #276 V
    April 25, 2008

    Poll is still there…we are at 7 thousand something NOs

  277. #277 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    April 25, 2008

    Yes:583
    No:7411

    What flavor of memory hole will you be having today Mr. Stein.

    How many scoops?

    Would you like that server in a persecution complex cone or waffle?

  278. #278 True Bob
    April 25, 2008

    OK, the Dune stuff is cracking me up – and that pic was fantastic. Fremen cat, there.

  279. #279 Prof MTH
    April 25, 2008

    For some reason the poll won’t show up at all on my second computer.

  280. #280 glbrown
    April 25, 2008

    Heather @269

    Please, please tell me you have the video.

  281. #281 defectiverobot
    April 25, 2008

    If we’re keeping track…

    The results as of 1:56pm CST:

    Yes (584 votes) 6.62%
    No (7507 votes) 85.13%
    Not sure (15 votes) 0.17%
    What is it? (712 votes) 8.07%

    They can’t even attract the choir to their own site!

  282. #282 Derik N
    April 25, 2008

    Yay! poll successfully crashed

  283. #283 Doh
    April 25, 2008

    A bunch of internet toughs hijacked someone’s web site.

    Grats?

  284. #284 Alex
    April 25, 2008

    Dennis @ #266

    By all means.

  285. #285 JohnPaul
    April 25, 2008

    It is disingenuous for the poll to ask whether Intelligent Design be taught “in the education system” when the obvious implication is that it be taught as science because the proponents will unfairly characterize any “no” response as attack on openness rather than an attack on Intelligent Design as a scientific theory. The poll is designed to make their case no matter which choice is selected because it can easily be dishonestly represented.

  286. #286 Rev. BigDumbChim
    April 25, 2008

    A bunch of internet toughs hijacked someone’s web site.

    A bunch of Religious zealots are trying to hijack the education system.

    Ok we’re worse?

  287. #287 Brownian, OM
    April 25, 2008

    Can somebody make an image with Stein in his schoolboy outfit with this quote: “Don’t fire people because they say the planets do stay in their orbits because of something other than Darwinism”? (I can’t because I’ve got some douche project at work this afternoon.)

    This needs to be disseminated, as fast and as far as possible. People need to hear this. People need to read this. People need to know that it’s this kind of discourse the IDiots want to reduce science to.

  288. #288 dieselrain
    April 25, 2008

    at 2:04 p.m. in Minnesota, “no” is over 85% of the vote! And it wouldn’t let me vote again…. will go to the other computer and vote again there, for my husband

  289. #289 Graculus
    April 25, 2008

    A bunch of internet toughs hijacked someone’s web site.

    –What– got hijacked?

  290. #290 DaveH
    April 25, 2008

    will go to the other computer and vote again there, for my husband

    Doing the same now, for my wife :)

  291. #291 jetmags73
    April 25, 2008

    Brownian awesome idea…..I wonder if anyone has a link to that appearance on Ferguson’s show last night? I’m sure there are a tons of other gems from Stein’s pie-hole. I saw a video of him on some creationist TV show where he said much the same thing: That he didn’t like “Darwinism” because it couldn’t explain how life started to crawl, or why the planets move, or how galaxies are created. Nope, still not used to the idiocy.

  292. #292 Alex
    April 25, 2008

    “Ok we’re worse?”

    Bonk!

    Well said chimp.

  293. #293 longsmith
    April 25, 2008

    @269
    Thanks, I just spit water all over my keyboard. The stupid…well, you know.

  294. #294 BlueIndependent
    April 25, 2008

    @ 282:

    How was that site hijacked?
    Which “internet toughs” did the hijacking?
    How was answering that poll wrong?
    What illegal deed was done?
    What subversive dishonest tactic?

    I await your inevtitably creobot-biased answers to these questions.

  295. #295 Blake Stacey
    April 25, 2008

    BlueIndependent (#255):

    I hope someone is taking snapshots of that poll so when it inevitably flips to be 95% Yes, 2% no, 3% everything else, we can prove with a timestamp that in fact the huge “support” is simply webmaster antics.

    Snapshot taken.

  296. #296 DaveH
    April 25, 2008

    will go to the other computer and vote again there, for my husband

    Now it’s time to break out my work computer :))

  297. #297 Brandie
    April 25, 2008

    Yes (589 votes)

    No (7784 votes)

    BLAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

    http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/Ouchimoo/temp.jpg
    revel in it

  298. #298 A Hermit
    April 25, 2008

    At 2:00PM Central time it was:

    Yes – 587
    No – 7597
    Don’t Know – 15
    What? – 712

    At 2:15

    Yes – 593
    No – 8061
    Don’t Know – 16
    What? – 728

    Doesn’t look like they’ve noticed yet…

  299. #299 Alex
    April 25, 2008

    I’ll try on my blackberry.

  300. #300 Master Mahan
    April 25, 2008

    282: Tell me about it. How dare anyone vote in an open poll when they don’t share the pollster’s preconcieved options?!

  301. #301 Lynnai
    April 25, 2008

    From #269 I believe…”Ben Stein was on the Craig Ferguson show last night.

    They played a clip from Expelled and Craig implied that he would need to be stoned in order to watch the whole movie. It was fabulous.

    Stein: “Don’t fire people because they say the planets do stay in their orbits because of something other than Darwinism.””

    I don’t know, maybe Mr Stein can expalin for us how the Begats in Genisis explain the 10 commandments.

  302. #302 dwatson
    April 25, 2008

    NO = 85.80% @ 8085 votes. Happy to do my very small part.
    Love it.
    D.

  303. #303 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    @#297 A. Hermit:

    Yes – 593
    No – 8061
    Don’t Know – 16
    What? – 728

    Update: at 2:23 CT it is:
    Yes – 595
    No – 8407
    Don’t Know – 16
    What? – 729

    There’s something enormously entertaining about tracking this….

  304. #304 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    April 25, 2008

    Can somebody make an image with Stein in his schoolboy outfit with this quote: “Don’t fire people because they say the planets do stay in their orbits because of something other than Darwinism”? (I can’t because I’ve got some douche project at work this afternoon.)

    It’s quick and dirty but.

    Here you go

  305. #305 A Hermit
    April 25, 2008

    “There’s something enormously entertaining about tracking this….”

    Posted by: Etha Williams

    Yes there is; it’s rather childish, I suppose, but my motto is “We’re only young once, but we can be immature forever…” ;-)

  306. #306 Alex
    April 25, 2008

    Classic. This is just classic. Nice graphic chimp.

  307. #307 JimNorth
    April 25, 2008

    I captured a screenshot at 2:21 cdt with a 14 to 1 no lead over yes. I am keeping this one on my ‘puter and using it for future anti-ID LTE.

    When the comments reach #666 – what happens to this blog?

  308. #308 Ichthyic
    April 25, 2008

    The poll is designed to make their case no matter which choice is selected because it can easily be dishonestly represented.

    *bing*

    However, that’s exists as a problem with just about any poll you can imagine.

    There’s a lesson in there…

  309. #309 MikeD
    April 25, 2008

    I wonder if the Expelled bunch is doing something similar to the movie rating sites. Most of the favorable reviews on Fandango have been made by brand new users, and it is their first review.

  310. #310 glbrown
    April 25, 2008

    “Brownian awesome idea…..I wonder if anyone has a link to that appearance on Ferguson’s show last night?”

    Yea, like this is one of the seminal arguments they use and it’s so obviously wrong it is funny.

    Well maybe not seminal but just another brick in the wall.

  311. #311 Ichthyic
    April 25, 2008

    we atheists secretly worship Satan

    I thought all atheists worshiped the flying spaghetti monster?!

    *sigh*

    far be it from me to tell you what fictional deities to direct your fawning to, but with global warming raising sea level, surely you REALLY mean to worship Dagon in the end, right?

  312. #312 dyak
    April 25, 2008

    #245 Rick Schauer

    That is probably a good point. I probably stand corrected.

  313. #313 Tim Wilson
    April 25, 2008

    Do you think the theory of Intelligent Design should be taught in our education system?

    Yes (600 votes) 5.92%
    No (8794 votes) 86.73%
    :D

  314. #314 none
    April 25, 2008

    I see no poll anywhere.

  315. #315 DaveH
    April 25, 2008

    it’s rather childish, I suppose, but my motto is “We’re only young once, but we can be immature forever…” ;-)

    I feel kinda like Kent Dorfman leaping off the streets of Faber yelling “oh boy is this great!”

  316. #316 Muffin
    April 25, 2008

    Yes (600 votes) – 5.92%
    No (8785 votes) – 86.72%
    Not sure (16 votes) – 0.16%
    What is it? (729 votes) – 7.20%

    Hah! :D

  317. #317 Brownian, OM
    April 25, 2008

    Thanks, Rev. BigDumbChimp. Mind if I copy it and put it on my blog? Credit to you of course.

    Now, if only I can finish this project and get back to blogging.

  318. #318 aiabx
    April 25, 2008

    If giving the unwanted answer in a stupid poll is wrong, I don’t want to be right.

  319. #319 sr
    April 25, 2008

    Just voted. This is hilarious. And the commenters there are scary…I didn’t think people that intense still existed.

  320. #320 karen
    April 25, 2008

    In the little bit of time (maybe 5 minutes)that I watched-and voted- the totals went from

    NO 8838 86.80 %
    Yes 599 5.89% to

    No 9024 87.00%
    Yes 603 5.81%

    YAY!

  321. #321 gramomster
    April 25, 2008

    Holy crap!
    Just checked… 9155 ‘No’ votes!
    Phyrangulites rock!

  322. #322 Ken Mareld
    April 25, 2008

    I voted, got it up yo 10666. Must be my aura.

  323. #323 (((Billy)))
    April 25, 2008

    #239 said: “Only math hasn’t been attacked by you boobs.

    Hate to be the one to break this to you, but among many fundamentalists, set theory is considered to contradict free will and is thus removed from Christian Math books. Plus, this whole bit about one being three and three being one makes even ballancing a checkbook damn near impossible.

  324. #324 Blaidd Drwg
    April 25, 2008

    I can see one problem in voting “What is it?” in this poll:

    The creos will spin these votes into “Yes” votes, on the ASSumption that anyone who doesn’t know what the ToID is MUST have been prevented from even hearing about it by the Evil Darwinist Big Science Conspiracy(TM).

    Of course voting WTFII is a logical choice, since the DI has never defined what their “Theory” (in the vernacular sense, not the Scientific) really is.

  325. #325 James F
    April 25, 2008

    Yahoo movies is starting to fill with bad reviews (but it’s still a B!), and at Rotten Tomaotes it inched down from 53% to 52%…. come on, guys! :-D

  326. #326 Blake Stacey
    April 25, 2008

    “Don’t fire people because they say the planets do stay in their orbits because of something other than Darwinism.”

    Don’t forget the NCSE’s contest!

  327. #327 snob-student
    April 25, 2008

    if they are smart, they edit the poll and switch “yes” and “no”

  328. #328 Geral
    April 25, 2008

    Very nice! Over 87% voted no. Damn right it should be too. Does anyone have a Myspace account to counter all those comments, or are they moderated?

  329. #329 ivanm
    April 25, 2008

    For all those excited about this, I feel I should point out that the poll is actively being stuffed at the moment, and there’s no way that the vote totals are even remotely legit. But yeah, it’s still fun. ;^)

    Those who know their HTTP-fu will have noticed that the URL that the poll loads when you vote can be accessed repeatedly, and increases the count every time.

    Based on the current voting rate, the equilibrium solution is approximately

    Yes: 1%
    No: 98.2%
    Not sure: 0.6%
    What is it?: 0.2%

  330. #330 J Daley
    April 25, 2008

    Rapidly closing on 10K.

    I love the Evul Darwinist Conspiracy. It’s so…devilish.

  331. #331 Sam Davies
    April 25, 2008

    I just found this disturbing video posted by someone on the Expelled myspace page: http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=25808163
    It is very long, but you can get the general points he makes in the first 15 minutes, after that he just repeats everything.

    Incidentally, Hovind offers $250,000 to anyone who can prove evolution. Perhaps PZ and Dawkins should get together and enter!?

  332. #332 Geral
    April 25, 2008

    @ #326,

    If they were smart we wouldn’t be posting in this thread :P

    In any case, they could switch “no” to “yes”, then the current “I’m not sure” to “no”. That way, 87% do believe ID should be taught in schools and 0.23% do not believe that.

    It’s clever..

  333. #333 Alex
    April 25, 2008

    I love this. xP

  334. #334 noncarborundum
    April 25, 2008

    ABOUT EXPELLED

    Do you believe in evolution? Have you ever heard of the theory of Intelligent Design (ID)? Is it difficult for you to believe that we developed through random chance and simply may be “lucky mud”?

    Yes! Yes! Sign me up! The argument from personal incredulity always works on me, because there are just so many things I can’t wrap my mind around!

    Besides, “Lucky Mud” would be an excellent name for an old-timey band, if not a rock group.

  335. #335 seth
    April 25, 2008

    Haha, holy crap it was a slaughter when I checked it out. Over 80% no when I cast my vote.

    This was an excellent example of intelligant pwnage!

  336. #336 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    @#307 Ichthyic:

    The poll is designed to make their case no matter which choice is selected because it can easily be dishonestly represented.

    *bing*

    However, that’s exists as a problem with just about any poll you can imagine.

    “There are 3 kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.”
    ~Benjamin Disraeli, popularized by Mark Twain

  337. #337 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    At 3:12 CT:

    Yes: 615
    No: 100054
    Not sure: 27
    WTF?! 731

    I do so enjoy this admittedly immature poll tracking. I feel a bit like a child on Christmas day.

  338. #338 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    April 25, 2008

    Thanks, Rev. BigDumbChimp. Mind if I copy it and put it on my blog? Credit to you of course.

    go for it!

  339. #339 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    Oops…screwed up the No number (wrote 100054 instead of 10054…hey, I can dream).

  340. #340 Brownian, OM
    April 25, 2008

    I’m still reeling from the Craig Ferguson quote.

    I guess the fact that big science hasn’t gassed Stein for being so fucking unbelievably stupid is proof that evolutionists aren’t Nazis.

    I do think we should force him to wear an “I’m With Stupid ” T-shirt.

  341. #341 amk
    April 25, 2008

    Over 10,000 “no” votes now, and “what is it?” is beating “yes” with a few hundred.

    This is the link to the poll at its host:
    http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/256557/

  342. #342 MikeD
    April 25, 2008

    I don’t think that they can change the poll results. It’s on PollDaddy.com

    All they did was set it up. They can close the poll and stop displaying the results, but I don’t think PollDaddy let’s users alter the votes.

  343. #343 A Hermit
    April 25, 2008

    Passed 10,000 at 3:15 PM Central (88.13% “No”, 5.32% “Yes”)

  344. #344 David Lockwood
    April 25, 2008

    Fear not! No’s are now over 11K and Yes’s are still at 615.

  345. #345 J D. Mack
    April 25, 2008

    Sing along! Ooooo, what a lucky mud he was!

    J. D.

  346. #346 Epinephrine
    April 25, 2008

    #324 – I went to Yahoo movies, but despite rating it and posting a review, the number of ratings didn’t change (2561). Is it simply ignoring ratings?

  347. #347 LP
    April 25, 2008

    LOL Now only a little more than 5% say yes. Hilarious.

  348. #348 James F
    April 25, 2008

    #345

    I think it takes a while to refresh its count – I see new reviews coming up if you arrange them by “most recent.” Check it again in a while…and good job!

  349. #349 EJ
    April 25, 2008

    Here’s the latest:

    Yes (618 votes) 5.17%
    No (10565 votes) 88.45%
    Not sure (30 votes) 0.25%
    What is it? (732 votes) 6.13%

    Total Votes:11945

  350. #350 Ian
    April 25, 2008

    The poll doesn’t reflect societys views if you crash it

  351. #351 noncarborundum
    April 25, 2008

    I hadn’t seen that Hovind video before, so I watched about 10 minutes of it and now I feel like I need a long hot shower, preferably one lasting several days. Lies, damned lies and vaccinations-are-a-Satanic-plot-to-reduce-the-population (and cause autism).

    I really don’t like to sling words like “evil” around, but if anyone deserves a slot on Lewis Black’s “Root of All Evil”, it’s Hovind for this video.

  352. #352 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    April 25, 2008

    WHOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!! There are people here that don’t know about or haven’t seen Hovind?

    Man what a few months in jail will do to someone’s notoriety.

    tsk tsk

  353. #353 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    @#349 Ian –

    An internet poll really never reflect’s “society’s” views. If you want that, you need an unbiased, random sampling, blocked for possible confounding variables. (And even then, the poll is often interpreted in all sorts of odd ways….)

    With any internet poll, there are a ton of things interfering with its ability to reflect “society’s” views. The first factor simply being ownership of a computer and easy access to the internet — hardly a universal. The next, being whether you come across the page. Before PZ posted this, the vast majority of people who would come across the page would be creationists and creationist-sympathizers who wanted to visit the Expelled myspace page, plus a few people who went to the page out of a masochistic desire to view real-life IDiocy at work. After PZ posted the link, overwhelmingly the page was visited by people who wanted to oppose real-life IDiocy at work.

    It’s not skewing the poll if it’s already skewed — it’s just changing the skew. If you can think of a way to make internet polls truely reflect society’s views, please let us know. I’m sure statisticians would be thrilled to learn about it.

  354. #354 amk
    April 25, 2008

    The poll doesn’t reflect societys views if you crash it

    No online poll will ever reflect society’s views. There will always be selection bias. Previously, this poll would have been most visible to Expelled’s audience, giving it a pro-ID bias. Further, opt in polls tend to motivate those who want to change the status quo more than those who want to preserve it, again giving this poll a pro-ID bias.

    It’s that online polls are inherently crap that causes people like PZ to sabotage them.

  355. #355 Tom G(eologist)
    April 25, 2008

    11035 No: 625 Yes

  356. #356 Vlad
    April 25, 2008

    > The poll doesn’t reflect societys views if you crash it
    > Posted by: Ian | April 25, 2008 4:30 PM

    Religiots can crash their own poll, can’t they? There’s supposedly more of them too, so how come the current result is 88.94% NO?

  357. #357 raven
    April 25, 2008

    I just found this disturbing video posted by someone on the Expelled myspace page:

    Is that the one where the guy with the mask, speaking the English dialect Moronic, issues a fatwa and declares a Jihad on evolutionary biologists.

    That is just so 2007. Been there, done that.

  358. #358 Nick Gotts
    April 25, 2008

    #184 “Not everyone who believes in ID is an uneducated idiot.”

    True – a small proportion are educated idiots.

  359. #359 Kirk
    April 25, 2008

    My 10 year old saw me voting looking at this and wondered what it was about. I explained about the ID poll and what ID was. She said no, she didn’t want to learn that at all, it wasn’t science (her favorite subject). I love her!

  360. #360 misterbowen
    April 25, 2008

    Did ma bit.

  361. #361 Patricia C.
    April 25, 2008

    Dawkin’s devils are voting too. I snooped in and someone has come up with the term Homo creotardus fucktardus. Don’t you go to hell for speaking bastard latin?

  362. #362 James F
    April 25, 2008

    Kirk @358

    Awwww…. a future scientist, or at least a future well-educated citizen!

  363. #363 Thomas S. Howard
    April 25, 2008

    Kirk @ #358:

    Nice work with the kid. Keep it up. In fact, have some more and apply the same parenting methodology.

  364. #364 noncarborundum
    April 25, 2008

    There are people here that don’t know about or haven’t seen Hovind?

    Not me, I just hadn’t seen that particular video. I had no brief for Hovind before, but for some reason this video strikes me as one long, concentrated dose of nasty that trumps everything else of Hovind’s I’ve ever seen. (Can doses “trump”? Probably not.) Call me a naïf if you must.

  365. #365 obvioustroll
    April 25, 2008

    heh

    13K No…
    4/25/8 3:50 CMT

  366. #366 Yutube
    April 25, 2008

    If you’ve followed any number of threads on this blog, you’ll know that many of the posters here have tried (with little success) to engage creationists in civilized discourse. Unfortunately, it’s impossible to do this on Expelled’s myspace page because they censor the comments. So instead of being able to engage in civilized discourse, all we can do is put our votes in at the poll. And how voting in an open internet poll is ‘uncivilized’ is a bit beyond me…creationist blogs are free to put up posts encouraging their readers to do the same. This is just an expression of public opinion. Any duplicate voting is simply something that comes with the territory when it comes to internet polls. I’m sure people on both sides are doing it.

  367. #367 themadlolscientist
    April 25, 2008

    Yes: 630 votes (4.97%)
    No: 11,385 votes (89.01%)
    Not sure: 30 votes (0.23%)
    What it is? 745 votes (5.82%)

    SFX = “metal crushing, glass shattering, agonized screaming”
    /SFX

  368. #368 Sam Davies
    April 25, 2008

    Rev. Big Dumb Chimp…
    Yes, it is true. I only just discovered this scumbag, but I do have a couple of reasonable excuses:
    1. I’m still new to this, only been actively interested/aware of the sceptical movement since November.
    2. I’m only 18. I don’t know if this is an acceptable excuse or not, but I shall use it anyway.
    3. I live in Wales. We don’t get many Hovind or Popoff types here, so we don’t get to hear much about them.

  369. #369 Kseniya
    April 25, 2008

    The poll does reflect society’s views.

    For a given value of “society”.
    :-)

    In this case, society = “people who spend a fair amount of time on the internet AND who care enough about the evo/ID conflict to be aware of a poll like this”

    In that context, the results are not totally unmeaningful. IMHO.

  370. #370 Sam Davies
    April 25, 2008

    P.S. Hopefully I made up for it by voting ‘no’ on Stein’s poll 15 times..?

  371. #371 ThirdMonkey
    April 25, 2008

    #286 –
    http://thirdmonkey.wordpress.com/2008/04/25/ben-stein-on-biological-explinations-for-planetary-motion/

    I just posted a Stein pic with the quote. I was tempted to use icanhascheezburger, but I have too much respect for lolcatz.

  372. #372 mona
    April 25, 2008

    Over 12,000 “no” votes, for 89.6%.

  373. #373 Alcari
    April 25, 2008

    I can see him thinking “Wow, look at that traffic spike, we might suck in theaters, but the DVD will sell great if we’re generating that much traffic” ;)

  374. #374 jre
    April 25, 2008

    11919 No / 636 Yes at last count, or just under 19:1.
    I did not attempt to vote twice (that would be wrong). But when I checked the results, I was thanked and informed that my vote had already been counted — and so, presumably, don’t try any funny stuff. Interesting to me was the implication that someone on the Expelled team is slightly smarter than David Horowitz, who once managed to elect Michael Bérubé “America’s Worst Professor” by a margin greater than his website’s total pageviews since the beginning of time.
    Or maybe the slightly smarter person is just someone at MySpace.

    Or, since this post has garnered only 360-some comments so far (not 12,000), maybe I just don’t know everything that’s going on.

  375. #375 VoteEarlyAndOften
    April 25, 2008

    Nobody click this link, ok? Or if you must, then only once. Because you wouldn’t want to cheat, would you?

    Oh, and you definitely wouldn’t want to put that link as the source URL in an image tag on a webpage that gets loaded often…

  376. #376 JM Inc.
    April 25, 2008

    Done. Sometimes I feel sort of bad for “conspiring” with my fellow godless liberal naturalists like this, but then I remember the intelligent design movement.

  377. #377 Roger Scott
    April 25, 2008

    The most enjoyable vote I’ve had for a while. Hope the results give coniption fits to the IDiots.

  378. #378 waywardcats
    April 25, 2008

    When did they come up with a *theory* of Intelligent Design?

  379. #379 Quidam
    April 25, 2008

    #286
    http://img74.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bensteinastronomyly8.jpg

    ASTRONOMY – No Intelligence Needed
    I. Newton.

    BTW Voting in a poll is not ‘skewing the results’

  380. #380 BobC
    April 25, 2008

    I’m impressed by how powerful PZ is.

    In favor of forcing science teachers to teach magic: 644 votes 4.20%

    Against magic: 13,915 votes 90.69%

    What is magic? 751 votes 4.89%

    Not sure about magic: 34 votes 0.22%

  381. #381 Brendan S
    April 25, 2008

    Unfortunatly, they’re just going to cry foul and point to it as yet another example of how their views are EXPELLED!

  382. #382 Brownian, OM
    April 25, 2008

    Sometimes I feel sort of bad for “conspiring” with my fellow godless liberal naturalists like this, but then I remember the intelligent design movement.

    I know the feeling. This poll is probably the closest thing anyone associated with ID has gotten to doing actual research, and here we’ve gone and innoculated their Staphylococcus plate with P. chrysogenum, metaphorically speaking.

    I wonder if they’ll have the presence of mind to stop and investigate the growth of intelligence, or whether they’ll just dump it all in the lysol of their belief.

  383. #383 Tim
    April 25, 2008

    Hey, can we stop referring to ID as ‘magic?’ I’m a professional magician and I have more integrity then that! *SMILE*

  384. #384 Roger Scott
    April 25, 2008

    A great effort on the part of sane people and it is still going. When will they notice? When will technical difficulties cause the poll to be taken down?

  385. #385 mothra
    April 25, 2008

    Many people have commented on the pollsters switching the question/ results/ ‘re-framing’ however this site already documents what really happened. Xian-annigans can be immediately EXPOSED.

  386. #386 Troy Lacefield
    April 25, 2008

    14188 90% voted NO
    646 4.14% voted yes yhooo smack down to Mark
    P.Z. is truly god let us bow down and worship him :)

  387. #387 Jake D
    April 25, 2008

    Yes = 647 Votes 4.1%
    No = 14347 Votes 90.92%

  388. #388 decrepitoldfool
    April 25, 2008

    Currently at 22:1, and slightly more people didn’t know what it was than wanted it taught in public schools. That’s gonna leave a bruise in the morning.

    How would one go about ‘crashing’ a web poll that is open to the public?

  389. #389 Brian K.
    April 25, 2008

    Ballot cast, PZ!

    Yes: 638
    No: 14,437

  390. #390 Michael Jackson
    April 25, 2008

    No: 14,768
    Yes: 647

  391. #391 John Phillips, FCD
    April 25, 2008

    Woohoo 15000+ and climbing, giggle.

  392. #392 mothra
    April 25, 2008

    Another point: With more than an order of magnitude lead in negative to affirmative votes, yet with all comments in the affirmative, any reasonably intelligent and honest person would notice the censorship. No honesty allowed.

  393. #393 Anon
    April 25, 2008

    http://pastebin.com/f1d9bad45
    Should help some of you with webservers, makes it a little easier…

  394. #394 Jonathan
    April 25, 2008

    I have been sitting at my computer all day trying to complete a final paper and close out my semester. Watching the poll and the discussion has not helped me at all. It is funny as hell, though. Way to go PZ et. al.

  395. #395 wazza
    April 25, 2008

    this is the graph as of now:

    yes :-
    Maybe :
    What is it?:–
    No :————————————————-

  396. #396 Venger
    April 25, 2008

    The comments from the MySpace friends down the side were depressing. Why is it Xians seem to just positively love to revel in their ignorance, and more shout it out to the world every chance they get? Shouldn’t the fact their god wants them to be stupid be a pretty good argument against him existing? Ignorance and stupidity only serve the clergy that has brainwashed them.

  397. #397 bill
    April 25, 2008

    No: 15,345
    Yes: 648

  398. #398 TonyJ
    April 25, 2008

    As an atheist I don’t worship Satan….but Guinness and chicken vindaloo….the personified god of which I worship at the holy time of friday night.
    When I checked we where at about 14000 NO’s, keep ‘em coming..yup now 1500…rock on for the sane people, even if we don’t rule the world.

  399. #399 peep
    April 25, 2008

    Yes (648 votes)
    No (15281 votes)

    Proof of the massive scientific conspiracy to silence dissenting voices:/

  400. #400 BobC
    April 25, 2008

    #392: “… any reasonably intelligent and honest person would notice the censorship.”

    What they do is worse than censorship. They actually modify pro-science comments. I was one of their victims. Typical creationist scum.

  401. #401 Kitty
    April 25, 2008

    Just popped back to see how we’re doing.

    Ah Guinness! #398 now there’s a cause worth fighting for!

  402. #402 bugsoup
    April 25, 2008

    Intelligent people with jobs are finally home from work.

    Yes (649)
    No (16515)

    20080425 @ 1809

  403. #403 Britomart
    April 25, 2008

    Hey Ian, are you suggesting we should teach kids based on a poll?

    Or should we teach what the evidence shows?

    I have been doing this a long time, here and there, and I have got to tell you, without exception, people who don’t ‘believe’ evolution don’t understand it. Some of it is clearly willful misunderstanding, some of it is the failure of our current education where teachers feel they have to pussyfoot around intolerant religions.

    I am sure most of the folk here will agree with me: people who understand what evolution means and don’t have religious blinders on don’t come up with the nonsense seen in Expelled or the Hovind videos or any of the other stupidity thats been around these last few years.

  404. #404 mikeg
    April 25, 2008

    GDTRFB…

  405. #405 Heather
    April 25, 2008

    Sorry, glbrown, no video of Stein. Wish I had it, though. It was priceless.

  406. #406 flonkbob
    April 25, 2008

    Wheee! We’re currently up to 97+% saying “NO” to ID. I love it. :)

  407. #407 mikeg
    April 25, 2008

    GDTRFB…

  408. #408 N 'Man O' Rage' R
    April 25, 2008

    done! 18275 No’s Vs. 652 Yes’s.

    41 Not Sure’s.

    Splitters!

  409. #409 mikeg
    April 25, 2008

    did they just cry “UNCLE”?… they’re not showing the results

  410. #410 DrBadger
    April 25, 2008

    i don’t know if voting in this poll was worth the glimpse at the comment section next to it.

  411. #411 Judean People's Front.
    April 25, 2008

    “Splitters!”

    I take offense to that ya filthy wanker!

  412. #412 dm
    April 25, 2008

    Yes (654 votes) 2.95%
    No (20552 votes) 92.76%

  413. #413 BlueIndependent
    April 25, 2008

    Pardon the expression, but holy crap. I checked back here an hour ago and it was under 9000 votes. Now it’s well over double that! Nice work people.

  414. #414 sinned34
    April 25, 2008

    The 20,000 NO’s barrier has been breached! And “What is it?” is still ahead of “Yes” by a couple hundred votes.

    No doubt the creationists (I mean, cDesign Propentists) will spin this as proof that PZ is a false god, worshipped by the blinded darwinist masses, and that evilutionists can be easily gathered to lash out against True Science!

  415. #415 Angel Rose Young
    April 25, 2008

    Current status of poll @ 1721 hours CST:

    Thank you for voting!
    Yes (652 votes) 3.29%
    No (18248 votes) 91.95%
    Not sure (41 votes) 0.21%
    What is it? (905 votes) 4.56%

    Total Votes:19845

    I’m actually laughing that “What is it?” has gained more votes than “Not sure” and “Yes” combined! Of course, I voted while I was there – against cretinism.

  416. #416 John Phillips, FCD
    April 25, 2008

    21000+ this is fun :)

  417. #417 BobC
    April 25, 2008

    #409, they’re still showing the results.

    yes 654 votes 2.91%

    no 20,900 votes 92.86%

  418. #418 James F
    April 25, 2008

    Gahhh… check out some of the reviews at Yahoo movies.

    “Its[sic] Nice to be Hated By The Right People”

    “A very intelligent movie”

    “Exposed – Elite Fascism in scientific community”

    “Informative and entertaining”

  419. #419 Phil
    April 25, 2008

    Just got home from work and went over and voted no. Currently, it’s 654 Yes (2.94%), 20638 No (92.76%), 51 Not Sure (0.23%), and 905 What is it? (4.07%) Awesome, Yes votes aren’t even beating the what is it option. We’re killing this thing!

  420. #420 Bride of Shrek
    April 25, 2008

    Over 22,000 and cimbing. Time for our Northern Hemisphere peoples to go to bed and tag team with us Antipodeans for a fun Saturday of poll smashing. You can have it back in about 12 hours.

    Atheists roolz the intertoobz.

  421. #421 Will Davies
    April 25, 2008

    For want of a better word, that poll just got OWNED!

    Every time I vote no, the total number of “no”s goes up by a good 50 or so! The internet is out in force on this one…

  422. #422 Al
    April 25, 2008

    almost 23 thousnd for NO now, almost Seven hundred YES. Nine hundred for WHAT? We kick ass.

  423. #423 VoteEarlyAndOften
    April 25, 2008

    Just a reminder not to click on this link or place it in any image tags or iframes…

    Oh, and the yes votes are about to hit 666. :^D

  424. #424 Scott
    April 25, 2008

    Yes = 659
    No = 23,347

    Just for fun I refreshed the results after about 10 seconds:

    Yes = 660
    No = 23,509

    LOL

  425. #425 Epinephrine
    April 25, 2008

    24,000 votes for No :)

  426. #426 Angel Rose Young
    April 25, 2008

    Blake Stacey (#22) said: “Incidentally, someone with a MySpace account should post a note like the following:”

    I have a MySpace account. Unfortunately, on MySpace, you have to be someone’s friend in order to post a comment on their page…

    …and I’ll be damned first!

  427. #427 BobC
    April 25, 2008

    At least one “NO” vote every second.

    24,770 votes against pseudoscience.

  428. #428 Sioux Laris
    April 25, 2008

    The current poll makes the Rotten Tomatoes critics rating look like Mt. Everest.

    Keep metaphorically kicking these lying assholes.

  429. #429 Roger Scott
    April 25, 2008

    Will, one vote per person is the way to go.

  430. #430 blf
    April 25, 2008

    I can’t really read the tiny font size used, but it looks to me as c.24000 “no” to c.600 “yes” (and c.900 WTF?). With a bit of hackery on my locally-cached copy, I’ve eliminated the spurious garbage on the site and now see only the poll, allowing me to vote at a rate of at least one vote per second. (It may be necessary to not accept cookie monsters to allow multiple votes from the same machine / IP?) Next step is to try and figure out how to automate the voting process…

  431. #431 Brian Hawthorne
    April 25, 2008

    The poll question is stupid and illustrates exactly the kind of black and white narrow-minded perspective that dominates public discourse in America.

    It is actually very import to discuss the Intelligent Design movement – in a social studies or American history class. The ID movement is a significant cultural phenomenon. Proponents of ID are attempting to influence national education policy decisions that will have a lasting impact on the vigor of our society and our ability to remain competitive internationally.

    I’m sure everyone understands that the question implicitly meant to ask if ID should be taught as a theory in science curricula. Of course the answer to that question would be no, since ID is not a scientific theory, and therefore not an appropriate topic to teach in a science class (unless you’re talking about “Social Science”).

    So I refuse to vote on the stupid question.

  432. #432 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    @#382 Brownian, OM –

    This poll is probably the closest thing anyone associated with ID has gotten to doing actual research, and here we’ve gone and innoculated their Staphylococcus plate with P. chrysogenum, metaphorically speaking.

    Best. Science. Metaphor. Ever.

    You win.

  433. #433 MTran
    April 25, 2008

    Hey, after I voted, it’s 26,416 (94%) No!

    Pretty impressive turn around since this morning! This is fun.

  434. #434 VoteEarlyAndOften
    April 25, 2008

    blf @ 430: You might be right about the cookies, but it’s easy to automate since you just need to load this link. If you know how to use a shell, and have wget installed, it’s pretty easy. (and wget doesn’t save cookies, by default)

  435. #435 «bønez_brigade»
    April 25, 2008

    Voted.
    Even “What is it?” is beating the Yes votes.
    ¡Bwahahahaa!

  436. #436 Roy
    April 25, 2008

    666 Yes votes! What could this mean?

    (Oh, and 27189 No votes). A landslide victory)

    Roy

  437. #437 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    re: comment #366 by Yutube –

    This entire comment is taken verbatim from my comment #217 on this thread. While I’m somewhat flattered that someone would apparently want to reiterate my points word-for-word, I just want to clarify that I didn’t intentionally double post this…and I am curious about Yutube’s intent in reposting it.

  438. #438 JIMmbo
    April 25, 2008

    666 WAS MINE.
    Ihope it scares the fundies

  439. #439 Chris
    April 25, 2008

    Yes (666 votes) 2.31%
    No (27163 votes) 94.31%

    Damn, 666 votes in favour eh?

  440. #440 blfhp
    April 25, 2008

    VoteEarlyAndOften@434: Yep, that seems to be doing it–lots of “No” votes (over 28000 now!). (I cannot recall wget(1)’s defaults, and in any case, disable cookie monsters by reflex….)

  441. #441 ecoli
    April 25, 2008

    Submitted to Digg: http://digg.com/general_sciences/Pharyngula_Crash_this_poll

    Lets share this thing, guys1

  442. #442 dyak
    April 25, 2008

    You guys who are voting multiple times are complete fucking idiots. Great way to complain about a movie that distorts and manipulates the evidence. And it’s so blatant they’ll know immediately they’ve been hacked.

    When the Expelled guys notice that PZ has linked to their site they will come here and read your idiotic gloating and can say how their objective poll was hacked by PZ Meyers’ supporters.

    You guys are dumber than the people you are hacking. This will finish up reflecting badly on PZ and everyone who posts here.

    What the hell do think it proves? Grow a fucking brain you idiots.

  443. #443 John Tate
    April 25, 2008

    I bet the Expelled’ people will use the 94% ‘no’ vote to say it proves their point that no one will allow Creationism to be taught…a win/win type of poll, I’d say.
    Betcha!

  444. #444 Richard Wolford
    April 25, 2008

    Dyak:

    When logic and reasoning fail, ridicule is really the best last resort. So, blow me.

  445. #445 Popular Front For the Liberation of Judea
    April 25, 2008

    Posted by: dyak | April 25, 2008 7:24 PM

    Sod off ya humorless git.

  446. #446 Bride of Shrek
    April 25, 2008

    dyak

    Its spelt Myers not Meyers. If you’re going to abuse people you should probably make sure you’ve got the spelling correct, otherwise you just look like a complete dill.

  447. #447 JimS
    April 25, 2008

    This is hilarious, and amazing. About two weeks ago I tried to get people at the Skeptics Guide to the Universe listeners forum to go vote…we added maybe 50 ‘no’ votes. I stated something like: if we could get the pharyngulites to vote, then we’d be set…

  448. #448 Bride of Shrek
    April 25, 2008

    “If everyone goes over there and votes “no”, it will raise Mark Mathis’s blood pressure a few points.”

    Few points? Heh, I think this is going to make him stroke out.

  449. #449 Don
    April 25, 2008

    94.73%

    We don’t have to be fair, we aren’t taking it seriously.

  450. #450 dyak
    April 25, 2008

    Well done for correcting me. I wasn’t insulting PZ Myers, though.

    The thing is the hacking is completely obvious – the numbers are way too high. They will certainly be reading all the comments here and will read you guys gloating about it.

    It’s just dumb.

  451. #451 bio teacher
    April 25, 2008

    hol-e mol-e!! we are slaughtering them! i am so impressed. nice job it’s about 30000 to 600ish…kick ass!

  452. #452 MikeD
    April 25, 2008

    Hey! You can leave COMMENTS on the poll! Go to

    http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/256557/

  453. #453 jetmags73
    April 25, 2008

    Dyak # 442

    Thanks so much for the tacit admission that the POS flick “Expelled” distorts & manipulates evidence. Actually I wouldn’t even grant it that, since it does not provide any evidence at all in support of intelligent design.

    And if their “little” poll is evidence of anything, it’s that their own followers cannot even support them. At least we didn’t compare Expelled assholes to Nazis.

  454. #454 cath
    April 25, 2008

    Wow, what a good morning present from PZ! Is anyone saving screen shots as the numbers increase? This is hilarious.

    But I also like the idea to go to places that matter more, like IMDB.

  455. #455 Alverant
    April 25, 2008

    They block myspace at work so I just was able to vote. I love it. There are more “what is it” than “yes” answers. I’m a little surprised it’s still up.

  456. #456 bio teacher
    April 25, 2008

    there are more people who don’t know what it is than have voted in favor of the “theory” of ID….teehee…makes me giggle!

  457. #457 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    @#443 John Tate –

    I bet the Expelled’ people will use the 94% ‘no’ vote to say it proves their point that no one will allow Creationism to be taught…a win/win type of poll, I’d say.

    You’re completely right. That is how they’ll spin it. I had a feeling they’d come up with some bizarre way to twist the statistics, but couldn’t for the life of me think of how to put a positive spin on a vast majority answering “no”…but you came up with it. Bravo.

  458. #458 Rick Schauer
    April 25, 2008

    #252 sidelined et dyak
    Get a grip…it’s a freakin myspace poll! Flectere si nequeo superos, Achaeronta movebo.

  459. #459 JJ
    April 25, 2008

    They are being crushed now…something like 32,000 don’t teach it. 1,000 teach it.

  460. #460 Nick Sullivan
    April 25, 2008

    Muwahahaha…

    One more vote for “No”.

  461. #461 Venger
    April 25, 2008

    Um, Dyak, you do realize this blog gets about 60,000 hits a day, and chances are that means 60,000 different IP addresses meaning a jump of 20,000+ negative votes on the poll only represents about a third of the possible people going over there to vote. I suspect it will get much more one sided yet, especially once the Digg crowd gets in on this, a few people voting more than once won’t have much of an impact, and chances are the people voting yes are doing it to.

  462. #462 Mike Higginbottom
    April 25, 2008

    I think we should stop now. It’s starting to look suspicious.

  463. #463 John Phillips, FCD
    April 25, 2008

    Dyak, who cares, whatever we did they would try to spin it in some obscene way so we are just having some fun. Unless that is, you believe that an open internet poll has some validity in the real world. Get a life, better still, join in and have some fun yourself. The only thing us lot are doing is proving we can have some fun. The fact that it screws with their poll is just a bonus, irrespective of how they spin it as honesty has never been the IDiots strongest suit anyway.

  464. #464 OctoberMermaid
    April 25, 2008

    HEY, THIS IS NOT COOL, YOU GUYS!

    We were not invited to this poll. This is a private poll. EVERYONE OUT OF THE POLL!

  465. #465 John Phillips, FCD
    April 25, 2008

    Octobermermaid, but will they let Dawkins vote :)

  466. #466 James F
    April 25, 2008

    #462

    Mike,

    Perhaps you’re right, although at 95.24% it’s still well below the percentage of scientists who accept evolution.

    Get to those IMdB and Yahoo ratings/reviews!

  467. #467 MF
    April 25, 2008

    Haha. Democracy works!

  468. #468 Dennis N
    April 25, 2008

    Does it matter if we cheat? This movie is such a bomb, its fractally wrong.

  469. #469 April
    April 25, 2008

    Yes-677
    No-33667

  470. #470 John Phillips, FCD
    April 25, 2008

    Those of you who are worried about us getting caught, get real, we have already had a few creobots posting up thread so they are already aware of what we are doing. So what, just have some fun and giggles.

  471. #471 Joel
    April 25, 2008

    Yes – 677
    No – 33908

    LOL!!!

  472. #472 Bride of Shrek
    April 25, 2008

    I for one am not giving up until they pay a ransom of ONE MILLION DOLLARS. Oh sorry, very 60′s of me, better make that ONE TRILLION DOLLARS.

  473. #473 skippy
    April 25, 2008

    thanks for the shout out, pz!

  474. #474 Mike Higginbottom
    April 25, 2008

    #466

    Now _that’s_ funny. It doesn’t matter how ridiculously we fuck with their stupid little poll, we’ve still not made it representative of the truth of the situation. The irony of this had escaped me up to now. Genius.

  475. #475 Rick Schauer
    April 25, 2008

    Anon, #393
    Huge code, you are Mighty!

    -…looking for passwords to servers…-

  476. #476 Bride of Shrek
    April 25, 2008

    I’m also of the oninion that, given the resounding nature of the “no” vote that it should renamed to more accurately reflect the real feelings of the NO voters. I suggest “Fuck No” or “In Your Fucking Dreams” as worthy alternatives.

  477. #477 JimS
    April 25, 2008

    Quote: #456, bio teacher said:
    there are more people who don’t know what it is than have voted in favor of the “theory” of ID….teehee…makes me giggle!

    ——–
    That is brilliant.

    EVERYONE: start voting “I dont know what it is.” We already got the GOLD, now let’s get the SILVER.

  478. #478 Jan
    April 25, 2008

    The IMDB poll is quite interesting:
    25.8% 10 points
    56.6% 1
    The statistics are a bit refined:
    males under 18: 5.7
    females under 18: 8.0 (but only 20 votes of 2500…)
    males 18-29: 3.0
    females 18-29: 5.4

    It is just an internet vote and not a real statistic but still interesting…go vote at IMDB!

  479. #479 paragwinn
    April 25, 2008

    Yes-677

    No-35,121

    Not sure-60

    What is it?-918

    This could result in extreme hypertension.

  480. #480 efrique
    April 25, 2008

    currently
    1.84% yes
    95.51% no
    0.16% not sure
    2.49% what is it?

    So yes is even losing out badly to “huh?”

  481. #481 John Phillips, FCD
    April 25, 2008

    At this rate we could have more posts in this thread than they have yes votes :)

  482. #482 Rick Schauer
    April 25, 2008

    Just voted again…this time from home IP.

    Yes (681 votes) vs No (36253 votes)!

    -Sic gorgiamus allos subjectatos nunc.-

  483. #483 Prof. Bleen
    April 25, 2008

    Yes: 681 (1.8%)
    No: 36274 (95.6%)
    Not sure: 60 (0.2%)
    What is it?: 918 (2.4%)

    BWAAAAAhahahaha!!

  484. #484 JimS
    April 25, 2008

    I think you can get a few votes per IP address, as long as you clear yoru cookies. Go back and vote “What is it?” This is a little more subtle and perhap even more grating to the producers than a bunch of no votes.

  485. #485 IBY
    April 25, 2008

    +35000 yes
    HWA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
    This is just incredible and funny.

  486. #486 Nadia
    April 25, 2008

    Isn’t it wonderful what we can achieve when we all work together?
    36,723 No
    918 What is it?
    682 Yes
    *applause* *tears*

  487. #487 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    @#478 Jan –

    As a female biologist, I find those statistics terribly depressing, even though they are just internet stats. :\

  488. #488 Steve_C
    April 25, 2008

    It would be incredibly funny for yes to come a distant third to “what is it?”

    80% NO
    19.5% WHAT IS IT
    .5% YES

    That’s would be too funny.

  489. #489 John Phillips, FCD
    April 25, 2008

    BTW, anybody who is using the polldaddy link supplied up thread, if you want to easily change voting from NO to What Is It then I couldn’t possibly suggest that you change 1276775 to 1276777 in the address bar nor could I suggest using the link below instead :) After all it would be cheating, wouldn’t it?

    http://www.polldaddy.com/pollVoteFlash.aspx?%3Canswer%20poll_id=%22256557%22%20pol_type=%220%22%20answer=%221276777%22%20other=%22%22%20poll_other=%220%22%20vote=%221%22%20/%3E

  490. #490 kitty
    April 25, 2008

    Just voted again before I head off to bed at 1-54am BST.
    As this has no relevance whatever to what is taught in the schools in Wales it gives me even more pleasure to tell you I have managed to vote 5 ‘no’s’ and 5 ‘What is it’ over the last 2 hours.

  491. #491 James F
    April 25, 2008

    Guys:

    Expelled is number TWO at Fandango under the “Top 10 Fan Rated” section. This cannot stand.

  492. #492 D'oh!
    April 25, 2008

    I agree with some of the earlier posters: If you want to have a greater impact, give this movie your honest rating at Yahoo Movies.

    http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809995068/info

  493. #493 Hoovenson Haw
    April 25, 2008

    Done.

    It is now at 686 for ‘Yes’ and 38,332 for ‘No’.

    Hehehehehe…

  494. #494 clinteas
    April 25, 2008

    Makes sense to comment on Yahoo and IMDB( done !!!),and I reckon we have proven our point by now on this private poll….

    @John Philipps No 489 : What sort of an evil hacker are you lol ? Very impressed…

    The creobots were disappointing today,it looked promising for a while there…:-)

  495. #495 John Tate
    April 25, 2008

    I voted twice, just so I could observe the progress of the vote, but realising that voting twice is unfair, my second vote was a ‘yes’ to cancell out the previous ‘no’. Now I need to go and register my ‘no’ vote. And who says atheists are not moral!

    Even if each evil ‘no’ voter had voted 8 times (which is extremely unlikely) and they were discounted, and not a single ‘yes’ voter voted more than once(even more unlikely) we’re STILL beating the arse off them!

  496. #496 Brian K.
    April 25, 2008

    Voting at IMDB helps, and here’s another one:

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=expelled.htm

    Vote at Box Office Mojo where the movie has twice as many A ratings as F ratings. We’re able to keep the statistical average at B because of all the F grades, however we need some more help over there.

    (Note: You may have to register to vote.)

  497. #497 Conor Burke
    April 25, 2008

    38,000 for “No”.

    FLAWLESS VICTORY.

  498. #498 Steve_C
    April 25, 2008

    John. It’s a web poll. NO need to be so hard on yourself.

    I’m sure the IDists are trying to cancel out as many NOs as they can with multiple votes.

  499. #499 jonathan
    April 25, 2008

    Just stopped by Fandango to put my two cents in. Rated it “oh no.” This is fun. Everytime I look at the poll numbers I pee a little bit.

  500. #500 John Phillips, FCD
    April 25, 2008

    Clinteas, thanks, but I can only take a little of the credit. The real work was done by those who posted the original polldaddy link. All I did was change the answer code from ‘No’ to ‘What is it’.

  501. #501 brad
    April 25, 2008

    how typical of the smug atheists so common on the internet. It’s typically sad that you have to disrupt and subvert things to prove just how “right” you are.

    Personally I don’t know what to believe because no one can say what the spark was that set the wheels in motion to create life. Neither do you, so get over yourselves.

  502. #502 Kevin
    April 25, 2008

    W(.)(.)T

    No (38989 votes)

    hahaahha

  503. #503 Ziggy
    April 25, 2008

    Currently 56:1

  504. #504 Cat
    April 25, 2008

    Yeah, baby! Rock that vote!

  505. #505 Dennis N
    April 25, 2008

    Brad,

    They joy of being an atheist is the burden of proof isn’t on us? Hows your proof of God working out?

    If you want sparks at the early age of the Earth, you should look into something we call lightening. Very Abundant stuff back then. If you didn’t mean that, stop confounding me with metaphor! And look up modern theories of abiogenesis or panspermia if you’re feeling open-minded. None of this has anything to do with evolution.

  506. #506 joe
    April 25, 2008

    i voted yes!!!

  507. #507 Ziggy
    April 25, 2008

    Currently 56:1

    Oh, and brad: STFU. This is not about being “right” (we already know we are), it’s about fucking with a douche who’s bullshit propaganda poses a huge threat to science education.

    FYI, Evolution is change over time; all it says about the origin of like is that it is possible for we we see now to develop from very simple structures. It makes no predictions and explains nothing in that field, just confirms that abiogenesis of some sort is plausible.

  508. #508 John
    April 25, 2008

    My Method of voting may be flawed.
    Too bad I believe in evolution, therefore I’m not smart enough to understand polling…

    This is my method:

    http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/256557

    “NO”

    “Vote”

    <– BACKSPACE

    “NO”

    “Vote”

    <– BACKSPACE

    (loop until I got bored…)

  509. #509 darling
    April 25, 2008

    I’m amazed at how horribly the ID’s are doing. You’d think they would at least try.

  510. #510 John Phillips, FCD
    April 25, 2008

    Your free to joe and we wouldn’t dream of trying to stop you, thats not how we operate. Though it does tell us a great deal about both your level of scientific knowledge and your credulousness and not for the better.

  511. #511 the voice of reason
    April 25, 2008

    i too dislike this movie for reasons beyond a disdain for intelligent design. however, this is a perfect example of the ignorance of which this film speaks. the fact that a mass of people will mindlessly click a link on stumbleupon so as to purposely alter a poll indicates the kind of brain-dead acceptance that plagues proper evolutionary teaching.

    true science is about an exchange of ideas, not about ridiculing someone because he thinks differently. whether or not you agree with intelligent design (i don’t) it is still a theory that obviously captivates a great deal of people. as such, it (just like any belief) deserves a proper discussion as opposed to infantile mockery

  512. #512 Ignacio
    April 25, 2008

    More than 94% No
    Less than 2% Yes

    Mission Accomplished!

  513. #513 Jason
    April 25, 2008

    Brad your statement exposes your ignorance of evolution. The reason ‘you don’t know what to believe’ is because you’re dumb.

  514. #514 D
    April 25, 2008

    true science is about an exchange of ideas, not about ridiculing someone because he thinks differently. whether or not you agree with intelligent design (i don’t) it is still a theory that obviously captivates a great deal of people. as such, it (just like any belief) deserves a proper discussion as opposed to infantile mockery

    You’re very wrong. Mockery of idiocy is critical to the free exchange of ideas in science, no matter how many people might have bought into it.

  515. #515 Notkieran
    April 25, 2008

    Currently (1015h, Singapore time)

    Yes: 709

    No: 39699

    I’ve always felt that the major thing theists have going for them is the social and emotional network they get from people who are “on their side”, while atheists tend to work more alone.

    Still, it’s a helluva difference there, ladies and gentlemen.

    Vote! Vote!

  516. #516 Jeanette Garcia
    April 25, 2008

    Mmmmm, that click on ‘NO’ felt good.

  517. #517 thegomezsymbol
    April 25, 2008

    Brad, if you want to discuss being right, you can:
    a) Look at the evidence (creationism has none)
    b) Guide yourself by public opinion (over 94% of respondents say creationism is crap)

  518. #518 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    @501 brad –

    Personally I don’t know what to believe because no one can say what the spark was that set the wheels in motion to create life. Neither do you, so get over yourselves.

    1. Evolution is not abiogenesis.
    2. Spark could be lightning, UV light, iron-sulfur redox reactions, radioactive beach sands brought to the surface by strong tidal influences, and any other number of hypothesized scientific possibilities. No, we don’t know for sure. But the great thing about these theories is that they can actually be empirically studied (unlike, say, God), and maybe one day someone *will* be able to say what set the wheels in motion. Then your God-of-the-gaps will be relegated to some other role, like starting the spark that set the Big Bang in motion.

    If scientists “got over themselves” and stopped trying to explain phenomena (as you seem to be suggesting they should), we’d live in a sadly intellectually stinted world indeed.

  519. #519 William Handford, SFC
    April 25, 2008

    You creative design people fail to prove the fact the there is no fucking proof that goddamn aliens set the cogs of life into motion, I’m gonna go out on a limb here but there is a lot more proof to support almost any other theory but your
    You show me aliens, I show you Jesus fucking riding in a garbage truck

  520. #520 Dennis N
    April 25, 2008

    Wow, we all understand evolution here. This is no ignorant mass. No one has brain-dead acceptance. Ask anyone here to explain details of evolution, and you will see knowledge come at you. Do you think people who don’t care about science would frequent an evolutionary development biologist’s blog?

    If you’ve discovered the theory of ID we would love to here it. We honestly have never heard them state a scientific theory of intelligent design. It had it’s proper discussion, years ago. Its being mocked because it refuses to die after being exposed.

  521. #521 idiot
    April 25, 2008

    Blo me

  522. #522 BobC
    April 25, 2008

    Do you think the theory of Intelligent Design should be taught in our education system?

    To the 709 retards who voted YES, do you really expect any competent biology teacher would agree to waste time teaching supernatural magic instead of science?

    I noticed in Dover the number of teachers who agreed to read the required intelligent design creationism statement was exactly zero. One teacher quit his job, and the rest refused to have anything to do with this religious nonsense. Then of course there was the trial, ID lost badly, and one million dollars of taxpayer money was wasted. Why don’t the creationists morons understand their idiotic ideas will never be allowed in public school science education?

    To “the voice of reason” #511 – do you really think intelligent design magic bullshit “deserves a proper discussion”? These people are lying assholes, and they’re as stupid as a person can be. If you think their dishonest crap deserves a proper discussion then you’re as stupid as they are.

  523. #523 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    @#511 the voice of reason:

    whether or not you agree with intelligent design (i don’t) it is still a theory that obviously captivates a great deal of people. as such, it (just like any belief) deserves a proper discussion as opposed to infantile mockery

    It’s had a “proper discussion”. Over. and over. again, both in various threads here and in other public forums. Unfortunately, nothing you say will persuade ID’ers that their belief is unscientific, so we’re reduced to mocking it in an effort to stay sane and salvage some enjoyment from the frustrating process. (Given the choice between crying and laughing at unrepentant idiocy, laughing is, I think, the healthier option).

    Also: ID is not a theory. Theory, as defined by the OED, is “A scheme or system of ideas or statements held as an explanation or account of a group of facts or phenomena; a hypothesis that has been confirmed or established by observation or experiment, and is propounded or accepted as accounting for the known facts; a statement of what are held to be the general laws, principles, or causes of something known or observed.” ID doesn’t fit this description one bit. It is instead (as you later correctly called it) a belief. A belief unfounded in rationality or science, masquerading as a scientific theory.

  524. #524 VoteEarlyAndOften
    April 25, 2008

    John@508: Here’s a better method, suitable for the bash shell:

    while true; do
    wget -U 'Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1)' -q -O - \
    'www.polldaddy.com/pollVoteFlash.aspx'\
    '?%3Canswer%20poll_id=%22256557%22%20'\
    'pol_type=%220%22%20answer=%221276775%22%20'\
    'other=%22%22%20poll_other=%220%22%20vote=%221%22%20/%3E' | \
    sed 's/>/>\n/g' | fgrep answer_id
    date
    echo '----------------------------------------------'
    done
    
  525. #525 John Phillips, FCD
    April 25, 2008

    the voice of reason, yeah right, we are not ridiculing them because they think differently but because they are ridiculous and because they slandered any evolutionist as effectively being a Nazi and/or a communist and/or an eugenicist etc. etc. And they did it largely through deceit every step of the way, as is well documented all over the web as well as other media sources.

    This was purely a bit of fun on our part. However, I can guarantee you that if they had ‘won’ the vote they would have presented that as another factor to try and influence law makers to allow the teaching of IDiotism in science when it isn’t science by any definition of science.

    And as to being properly discussed, it has been endlessly, nowhere more so than in the Dover trial where a right wing religious judge ruled, after seeing the evidence for himself, that it was only creationism repackaged So cry me a river.

    Beyond that, we keep asking IDiots what exactly does their theory say apart from goddidit. I.e. when you put forward a scientific theory it must be falsifiable. Unfortunately, we are still waiting for anything that isn’t just an argument against evolution based on the god of the gaps, every one of their god of the gaps having been proved wrong. If they ever did propose a genuine hypotheses or theory and did some research we would look at openly. However, scientific theories aren’t decided by popularity but by evidence, which they have none of.

  526. #526 John Phillips, FCD
    April 25, 2008

    the voice of reason, yeah right, we are not ridiculing them because they think differently but because they are ridiculous and because they slandered any evolutionist as effectively being a Nazi and/or a communist and/or an eugenicist etc. etc. And they did it largely through deceit every step of the way, as is well documented all over the web as well as other media sources.

    This was purely a bit of fun on our part. However, I can guarantee you that if they had ‘won’ the vote they would have presented that as another factor to try and influence law makers to allow the teaching of IDiotism in science when it isn’t science by any definition of science.

    And as to being properly discussed, it has been endlessly, nowhere more so than in the Dover trial where a right wing religious judge ruled, after seeing the evidence for himself, that it was only creationism repackaged So cry me a river.

    Beyond that, we keep asking IDiots what exactly does their theory say apart from goddidit. I.e. when you put forward a scientific theory it must be falsifiable. Unfortunately, we are still waiting for anything that isn’t just an argument against evolution based on the god of the gaps, every one of their god of the gaps having been proved wrong. If they ever did propose a genuine hypotheses or theory and did some research we would look at openly. However, scientific theories aren’t decided by popularity but by evidence, which they have none of.

  527. #527 Ichthyic
    April 25, 2008

    Unfortunately, nothing you say will persuade ID’ers that their belief is unscientific, so we’re reduced to mocking it in an effort to stay sane and salvage some enjoyment from the frustrating process. (Given the choice between crying and laughing at unrepentant idiocy, laughing is, I think, the healthier option).

    I’m thinking I might have to add this as a sig, just to avoid having to paste it so often…

    “Ridicule is the only weapon that can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them.”

    -Thomas Jefferson

  528. #528 Thrid
    April 25, 2008

    I freaking love the internet. This is great. Voted no.

  529. #529 Ichthyic
    April 25, 2008

    the fact that a mass of people will mindlessly click a link on stumbleupon so as to purposely alterconstruct a[n internet] poll [and assume the results meant anything suggests they are playing up to] the kind of brain-dead acceptance public that plagues proper evolutionary teaching.

    there, that’s a bit more accurate now.

  530. #530 Geral
    April 25, 2008

    94% voted no!

    Very nice!

  531. #531 John
    April 25, 2008

    VoteEarlyAndOften@ 524: I stand corrected.

    I will bow to your coding abilities once you prove it works.
    I apologize for being skeptical. ;-) We’re like that here.

    If you can get it over 100,000 votes in the next 30 minutes, then YOU ARE THE MAN. (or woman, depending on your chromosomes)

    Challenge on.
    Good luck.

  532. #532 AC
    April 25, 2008

    So, everyone is voting to ban the teaching of a certain subject in public schools run by the government. How is that not faciest?

  533. #533 George Cauldron
    April 25, 2008

    How is that not faciest?

    You’re right. It’s the most facy thing I’ve ever seen.

  534. #534 Dennis N
    April 25, 2008

    AC, its already banned by the Constitution, and the voting is for fun. But if it was a real poll, we’d be voting to enforce the Constitution, how faciest.

  535. #535 Sean
    April 25, 2008

    Ya know… this blog post/thread does kind of support the whole countercreationist conspiracy thing. I mean, I know it’s just a collection of individuals who got together to break a fragile online poll because we each personally felt that the message being spread was bullshit, but it wouldn’t be hard to spin it into an evil cult type thing.

  536. #536 Ichthyic
    April 25, 2008

    You’re right. It’s the most facy thing I’ve ever seen.

    LOL

    I rather think it was an unintentional attempt at combining the common creobot misspelling of “atheist->ahtiest” and another misspelling of “fascist->facist”

    a combination of a double misspelling, and misused to boot.

    bravo?

  537. #537 John Phillips, FCD
    April 25, 2008

    AC, no we are having fun with a stupid Internet vote that if they had ‘won’ they would have used it as a factor to try and influence law makers to allow IDiotism to be taught in science class as science when it isn’t science. Even a right wing religious judge ruled in the Dover trial that IDiotism wasn’t science but creationism repackaged, i.e. it is a religion. There is nothing stopping IDiotism being taught in philosophy or comparative religion classes, not that it would take long to cover. What is fascist, is trying to break the constitutionally mandated state/religious divide as the proponents of IDiotism are trying to do. Admittedly, the poll only asked should it be taught in schools. However, everyone knows there is nothing stopping it being taught in schools, only that it can’t be taught in science classes because it isn’t science but religion.

  538. #538 Dan
    April 25, 2008

    I just watched Richard Dawkins claim that life could have been planted on Earth by aliens. That constitutes Intelligent Design in my book. Where is the religion in that?

  539. #539 George Cauldron
    April 25, 2008

    I just watched Richard Dawkins claim that life could have been planted on Earth by aliens. That constitutes Intelligent Design in my book. Where is the religion in that?

    What if the aliens weren’t very bright?

    Maybe Dawkins was referencing the ‘alien septic tank dump’ theory of terrestial biogenesis.

  540. #540 plum grenville
    April 25, 2008

    Anyone else notice this blurb for the movie on the Expelled site?

    “Powerful, creative, and winsome…”
    - Lee Strobel

    WINSOME??!! Was this man homeschooled or did he have a Language Arts teacher who believed in teaching the controversy in Vocabulary class? ‘Winsome’ means, “generally pleasing and engaging, often because of a childlike charm and innocence. Syn. see ‘sweet.’” Have any of the Expelled apologists (acolytes? clacquers? addlepates? oh, heck – they all apply) referred to the “fulsome praise” the movie has received?

    Although maybe “excessive to the senses or to moral or aesthetic sensibility” isn’t an inaccurate description of the positve comments Expelled has received.

    And, if we give Mark Mathis et al. the benefit of the doubt, perhaps Expelled is a manifestation of “childlike innocence.” “Creative” really is true too. Lee Strobel doesn’t say creative with what – creative with the facts certainly fits.

  541. #541 Brownian, OM
    April 25, 2008

    I can’t wait until I get AC’s kids in my class, where we’ll be studying how my ass created Saturn out of those little plastic pull tabs from frozen juice cans. And if the little fuckers squeal about it, I’ll fail ‘em faster than you can say “Jehovah is Vishnu’s Bitch!”

    And nobody better complain to the authorities about my teaching of this subject. That would be faciest.

    Do you get it now, AC?

  542. #542 Ichthyic
    April 25, 2008

    Maybe Dawkins was referencing the ‘alien septic tank dump’ theory of terrestial biogenesis.

    actually, and I’m sure you know this, but anybody who saw the movie probably doesn’t. Dawkins was referring to the very thing the IDiots themselves have proposed as a potential alternative “intelligence” to “god” in their “theory” (yes, a lot of scare quotes, but all necessary).

    It was a thought experiment, exploring the most likely scenario building the concept of ID from a non-deific conception.

    Moreover, what was shown in the film was a deliberate quotemine of the interview that did NOT show the context, nor the actual question that was asked that Dawkins was responding to.

    How does it feel being lied to, Dan?

    Now then, Dan, let’s extend Dawkins own thought experiment to its natural conclusion, shall we?

    Assuming that “aliens” have influenced the development of life on earth… how exactly would we go about testing that idea?

    would we go about it in any different fashion, logically, than we would if a deity was proposed as the “design mechanism”?

    do you really want to know the answer?

  543. #543 soylentseth
    April 25, 2008

    stumbled here but my GF reads SB every day. Voted no – great fun to read the posts!

    Hey Sabrina,
    go make me dinner.

  544. #544 Bride of Shrek
    April 25, 2008

    Hey Ichthyic

    OT but did you get the email I sent regarding NZ? Having problems with my server and am missing the odd email, in and out. Bastard rural backwater service. If you didn’t get it let me know, I saved a draft in case.

    Cheers

    V

  545. #545 Bride of Shrek
    April 25, 2008

    Soylentseth

    Are you ordering your GF to make your dinner on an internatrional forum? Lad, you’ve got balls the size of grapefruit.

  546. #546 John Phillips, FCD
    April 25, 2008

    Dan, what you saw was Dawkins after much repetitive questioning in real life from BS speculating, not claiming, that it was a possibility. I realise the subtlety is lost on the average creobot, especaily when it was edited in an attempt to make Dawkins look stupid with BS’s oh so clever comments. Of curse, by now we are used to the complete dishonesty of the expelled crew before the production even started. But the image BS portrays of the evil evolutionist fits in well with the preconceptions of those this piece of dross is aimed at, such as yourself.

  547. #547 Kseniya
    April 25, 2008

    The poll is still open? Ok. I’ll vote.

  548. #548 Ichthyic
    April 25, 2008

    OT but did you get the email I sent regarding NZ?

    got it yesterday.

    thanks much!

  549. #549 Hessenroots
    April 25, 2008

    Update:

    Yes: 733
    No: 41,926

    THAT is a ratio

  550. #550 Notkieran
    April 25, 2008

    You know, something that occurred to me while reading the comments is this:

    From a certain point of view it is, indeed, “unfair” to vote our honest opinion on an opinion poll which wants a different answer from what we are willing to give.

    Of course, this is the _same_ point of view that said not voting for and believing everything Dubya Bush says is “unAmerican.”

  551. #551 soylentseth
    April 25, 2008

    Bride of Shrek:

    Yeah, can’t give ‘em too much freedom!

    I can’t comment like that on her feminist blog or those grapefruits would be surgically extracted with a 1800′s bayonet :(

  552. #552 Etha Williams
    April 25, 2008

    @#538 Dan –

    I just watched Richard Dawkins claim that life could have been planted on Earth by aliens. That constitutes Intelligent Design in my book. Where is the religion in that?

    Been pointed out by other posters, but can’t be mentioned enough: what you actually watched was a quote-mined segment of video showing RD responding to repetitive questioning as to what the most likely possibility of ID was. Between the options of an unmade maker or alien intelligence (which would have itself had to evolve, or be ID’d by evolved aliens, or be ID’d by aliens that were ID’d by evolved aliens, or…well, you get the point), Dawkins logically chose the latter.

    The segment they didn’t show you was the segment in which he said that he found both so-called theories unlikely and unscientific.

    Also, for most of the rest of the movie, Stein talks a lot about God and very little about ID, so if you’re using that film as your source for IDeology, you should realize that ID rests heavily on the idea of God and just pays lip-service to alien intelligence in a (failed) effort to seem scientific.

  553. #553 bugsoup
    April 25, 2008

    Uh Oh

    “Server is too busy”

  554. #554 Mac Wilson
    April 25, 2008

    94.29% say No. Absolutely glorious, PZ. But just wait for their rebuttal – “the evil atheist cabal has crashed our poll results and interfered with the will of the peoplez!!!”

  555. #555 Patricia C.
    April 25, 2008

    err…couldn’t GOD just wipe out all of the no votes?

  556. #556 jonathan
    April 26, 2008

    Holy crap, this is just getting absurd. When I first caught on to this there were like 6000 no votes. I’ve been at my computer all day working on a final paper for school, and this thread is the reason I have been sitting at my computer all day, am still sitting at my computer, and still have not finished the goddam paper.

    Anyway, well done everybody. This is some funny shit.

  557. #557 Seth
    April 26, 2008

    I read this would happen in the Bible. I wonder what they think about quantum mechanics.

  558. #558 jonathan
    April 26, 2008

    Just reading some of the comments on the expelled MySpace page. Holy shit, Christians are scary people!

    Pass the Kool-Aid!

  559. #559 «bønez_brigade»
    April 26, 2008

    I think the creator of this myspace page broke the 9th Protestant Commandment when they listed their/his age as 100 (check the title bar).

    And who is this wild Heidi Almighty in the friends list right next to the poll? Her occupation is (employed by?) “HUSTLER”. Also of note, some of her interests are “Books, Bible, Beer and Coffee oh and Manslaves”.
    [kazakh] Very nice! How Much? [/kazakh]

    FWIW, poll is currently at:
    Y 753
    N 44080
    NS 164
    WTF 1728

  560. #560 A. Phillips
    April 26, 2008

    Currently at 44485 No… I wonder if the poll will last long enough to reach 66600. By the looks of it that should be some time tomorrow morning…

  561. #561 JN
    April 26, 2008

    @ 559: Heidi Almighty only needs 6 more friends.

  562. #562 Nana
    April 26, 2008
  563. #563 Ian H Spedding FCD
    April 26, 2008

    The ‘No” vote is currently 94.46% of the poll.

    I wonder if the makers will take this a sign that perhaps the message of the movie is not getting across in the way that they had hoped.

    Perhaps it wasn’t designed intelligently enough.

  564. #564 Chris (in Columbus)
    April 26, 2008

    That is so fricking awesome!!!

  565. #565 Ichthyic
    April 26, 2008

    Free Hovind!

    not even for free.

    you couldn’t pay me.

  566. #566 Geral
    April 26, 2008

    PZ you have too much power…

  567. #567 Ichthyic
    April 26, 2008

    PZ you have too much power…

    LOL

    welcome to the internet.

    new here?

  568. #568 Leigh
    April 26, 2008

    I just posted my F-rated (that would be, Fuck NO!) review at Yahoo. Mine’s the one titled “Contemptible and manipulative trash” . . .

    Enough with the voting, guys. Time to flood Yahoo and IMDB with a healthy dose of reality and knock that B- overall rating down a few notches.

  569. #569 -R
    April 26, 2008

    It looks like I’m number 57662 for no :P.

    PZ, you mischievous stinker you ;O).

  570. #570 Dennis
    April 26, 2008

    Y 769 1.16%
    N 63326 95.76%
    NS 164 0.25%
    WII 1874 2.83%

    I think that the point is made!

  571. #571 themadlolscientist
    April 26, 2008

    Rev. BigDumbChimp: Good one! How about adding it to the LOLScience pool on flickr and tagging it “lolexpelled” and “expelled exposed”? I’ve been collecting stuff like that over there.

    Come to think of it, maybe we ought to start a LOLEXpelled pool. MWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAA…….

  572. #572 Shaolin_sKunk
    April 26, 2008

    Hey, we’re almost at 66600 No’s and 666 comments, keep it up people!

  573. #573 djlactin
    April 26, 2008

    won’t even let me vote! it’s been ‘loading’ for 5 min!

    i believe this is a sign of capitulation.

  574. #574 Alan C
    April 26, 2008

    The poll has been removed. Can’t imagine why!

  575. #575 Kseniya
    April 26, 2008

    Results like that aren’t the product of a small number of evilutionists hammering the poll. No beat Yes by a factor of 82. That’s astonishing.

  576. #576 Ichthyic
    April 26, 2008

    The poll has been removed. Can’t imagine why!

    oh no, it’s still there, it’s just that somebody has been successful in programming a scripted voting loop (see some of the discussion upthread).

    if you wait about a minute or so, it finally shows up, but good luck trying to get another vote in!

    if they don’t actually shut it down, I predict numbers in the millions come tomorrow.

  577. #577 Eric
    April 26, 2008

    April 26, 02:47 CST

    yes: 783
    no: 71183
    not sure: 164
    What is it?: 1879

  578. #578 themadlolscientist
    April 26, 2008

    BobC @400 says:

    What they do is worse than censorship. They actually modify pro-science comments.

    On the April 18 episode of his 60-Second Science podcast, Scientific American’s usually-cool Steve Mirsky really got his back up over BS’s egregious quote-mining of Darwin in Expelled. Audio and transcript here.

    You go, Steve!

  579. #579 CosmicTeapot
    April 26, 2008

    Did my bit, yesterday and checked today. I am one happy teapot.

    Also, there are more “what is it” votes than “yes” votes! If only we could direct them here to educate their enquiring minds.

    Keep up the good work PZ.

  580. #580 Leigh
    April 26, 2008

    As of 3:01 CST –

    yes 783
    no 74,120
    not sure 164
    what is it? 1879

    As of 3:04 CST —

    yes 783
    no 75,384
    not sure 164
    what is it? 1879

    The Unknown Coder has this under control. Time to write some reviews, folks!

  581. #581 Al
    April 26, 2008

    YES is down to less than 1%. amazing. we’re a bunch of mean, mean people. but its sooooo much fun.

  582. #582 God is Fictional
    April 26, 2008

    91,192 votes for No and the Yes votes still haven’t broke 1000 yet. This one event has somewhat restored my faith in the overall intelligence of people. Even vanilla Christians accept that evolution is a fact that can’t be ignored. They also accept that the bible should not be taken literally. IMHO It is only the quite vocal minority of fundamentalist Christians who take the bible literally and dismiss evolution out of hand.

    I don’t blame ignorance for the fundies dismissal of evolution because the vast majority of people are ignorant about evolution. At least they accept the words of ALL reputable scientists and biologists that evolution has been proven. Ingnorance is simply the condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed. If someone takes the time to educate, make aware and inform an ignorant person then that person is no longer an ignoramus. Therefore I class myself as being ignorant of evolution but I have seen enough to accept it as a fact and am open to being educated further.

    A fundamentalist Christian will refuse to listen or see arguments and fact based evidence proving evolution. It does not mater how much evidence is presented, it will be dismissed out of hand. They refuse to be educated because they see evolution as a direct threat to Gods existance. That is not ignorance, that is pig-headedness, or more aptly, blind faith. Ironically this “blind faith” is not unshakable. If it was then the fundies would not kick and scream so much about the evil of evolution. It is my belief that a fundamentalist Christian sees the evidence proving evolution and KNOWS it to be true but they fight hard to convince him/herself to ignore the blasphemy. Fundamentalist Christians will happily lie to themselves to appease a fictional deity. Ironically this is not breaking any of this deity’s commandments as they are not not bearing false witness against their neighbour. It is only themselves they are lying to.

  583. #583 Paul Savage
    April 26, 2008

    97947 nos when I voted and yes less than 1000 still – lets make it 100,000 to 1000 – wipe out

  584. #584 Rrr
    April 26, 2008

    Just missed the 100k mark by }this much{ 100001 votes including mine! :-) (What is it?)

    And the Yes and Not Sure are less than 1% COMBINED!

    Grim pill time, Mark.

  585. #585 themadlolscientist
    April 26, 2008

    Yes: 789
    No: 120,138
    Not sure: 165
    Huh?: 1186

    Heh heh heh.

  586. #586 Roger Scott
    April 26, 2008

    !!!!!!
    Just back from mowing the lawn for some little old ladies.
    Just stunning.

  587. #587 Scorpious
    April 26, 2008

    As of right now, this is how this major landslide stands:

    Yes (790 votes) 0.61%
    No (126025 votes) 97.81%
    Not sure (165 votes) 0.13%
    What is it? (1887 votes) 1.46%

    Ha!

    This just proves the power that PZ wields every time he posts to his ultra-powerful and ultra-influential blog.

    If anyone is ever omnipotent, it is PZ-god!

  588. #588 kester
    April 26, 2008

    It’s still pretty embarrassing that nearly 800 people have voted “yes”. Though cool that for every person that voted yes, two and a bit people don’t even know what ID is.

  589. #589 MarkW
    April 26, 2008

    Yes <1% (793 votes)
    No 98% (176,304 votes)
    Not sure <1% (165 votes)
    What is it? 1% (2,084 votes)

    Good job people.

  590. #590 MarkW
    April 26, 2008

    That didn’t show up right:
    Yes <1% (793 votes)
    No 98% (176,304 votes)
    Not sure <1% (165 votes)
    What is it? 1% (2,084 votes)

  591. #591 jagannath
    April 26, 2008

    I kind of find it sad that even with 4392 friends on the myspace he has managed to only get tad short of 800 votes.

  592. #592 TimS
    April 26, 2008

    They seem to have taken the poll off the web site (or I’m too dense to find it). Assuming the former is true, it is more evidence that these weasels are ethically challenged.

  593. #593 Epinephrine
    April 26, 2008

    No, poll is still there, even when I refreshed the cache. Yes is at ~0.4%

  594. #594 raven
    April 26, 2008

    AC the Death Cult troll:

    So, everyone is voting to ban the teaching of a certain subject in public schools run by the government. How is that not faciest?

    This is called framing. By someone who can’t even spell fascist. Homeschooled, were you?

    We are voting to prevent a religious mythology, creationism, being taught to our kids as science. It is already unconstitutional to do so and the courts have ruled on this many times.

    It is also just mythology and completely wrong scientificly, St Augustine was skeptical of genesis 1500 years ago.

  595. #595 MarkW
    April 26, 2008

    it’s still up on polldaddy:

    http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/256557/

  596. #596 Flamethorn
    April 26, 2008

    Wow.

    Yes (795 votes)
    No (197885 votes)
    Not sure (165 votes)
    What is it? (2085 votes)

  597. #597 Confused
    April 26, 2008

    Bloody hell, it’s being updated by nearly a hundred people a second! It just crossed 200,000!

  598. #598 raven
    April 26, 2008

    Dan the Moron:

    I just watched Richard Dawkins claim that life could have been planted on Earth by aliens. That constitutes Intelligent Design in my book. Where is the religion in that?

    This isn’t Intelligent Design. It is a hypothesis called “panspermia”. It is scientific in that no supernatural intervention is required. No aliens are required either, the first cells or replicators could have drifted to our solar system in or on meteorites, dust etc..

    It also just puts the origin of life question back a step. Who designed the aliens? Or did they evolve?

    At present there is no evidence whatsoever that panspermia happened.

  599. #599 Faithful Reader
    April 26, 2008

    Hee hee, I just added my 2nd no vote from a different oomputer!

    Where is the reaction from the poll host?

  600. #600 Els
    April 26, 2008

    “Yes” is currently leading by about 3:1.”

    Ahem… when I voted, ‘no’ was leading: :)
    Yes (795 votes)
    No (204957 votes)

    Did this happen in just a few hours?

  601. #601 Iain Walker
    April 26, 2008

    Lad, you’ve got balls the size of grapefruit.

    Or will have, soon …

  602. #602 BobbyEarle
    April 26, 2008

    Els…

    This sort of thing doesn’t take long! And if you don’t want to gouge out your eyes with a fork, stay clear of the comments.

  603. #603 Iain Walker
    April 26, 2008

    Physics PhD student at an Ivy (comment #184):

    Not everyone who believes in ID is an uneducated idiot. There are many brilliant scientists, widely respected in their fields, who don’t consider the concept of ID to be in opposition to science.

    I’d just like to add my name to those who would like to know who these “many brilliant scientists, widely respected in their fields” actually are.

    The nearest I can think of is Behe, whose mainstream scientific work has been (IIRC) fairly solid, although hardly brilliant, and who is so respected by his peers that his university department have a disclaimer on its website disassociating themselves from his views.

  604. #604 Paul W.
    April 26, 2008

    Soylentseth

    Are you ordering your GF to make your dinner on an internatrional forum?

    I think you’re misunderstanding. Ponder the phrase “make me dinner” and ask yourself, What is the secret of Solyentseth?

  605. #605 BobbyEarle
    April 26, 2008

    I wonder if Yoko voted?

  606. #606 Vladan
    April 26, 2008

    216,586 – 799

    98.62% – 0.36%

    I’d say it’s crashed, LMAO!

  607. #607 arensb
    April 26, 2008

    Etha Williams @#176:

    PZ, is there anyway you could change the script you use to post links in order to make them go to a new window/tab when people click on them?

    I’d like to strongly vote against this: if you want the link to open in a new window or tab (as I usually do), just middle-click on it. If your mouse doesn’t have a middle button, use Apple-click or Apple-shift-click, or whatever the equivalent is in Microsoftland, if that’s what you’re stuck with.

    The current system works just fine. Let’s not break it. If it really bothers you, you can install Greasemonkey or something, to rewrite the links on the fly.

  608. #608 Monty
    April 26, 2008

    Wow… “No” is up to 98.36%. Nice job, PZ.

  609. #609 themadlolscientist
    April 26, 2008

    Yes: 805 (0.33%)
    No: 243,314 (98.69%)
    Not sure: 166 (0.07%)
    Huh? 2274 (0.92%)

    It’s still up and running on the MySpace page and at Poll Daddy.

    Wooey! This is as much fun as Google bombing… and way easier!

  610. #610 rich (richmanwisco)
    April 26, 2008

    Just voted…and the poll is STILL there!

    Of course the IDiots will claim, “see how controversial this is that over 250K people visited our site? we must further this conversation! we have just begun!”

    Cut to the b&w footage of jackboots on the pavement.

  611. #611 MikeD
    April 26, 2008

    It doesn’t show up on their “Popular Poll” list yet, but the numbers place it as #1 for this week, and in the top 10 for this month.

  612. #612 Britomart
    April 26, 2008

    MikeD do you have a like for the popular poll list?

    I dont spend a lot of time on myspace and I have spent 10 minutes looking for it and I can feel my brain going to sleep :)

    thanks bunches

  613. #613 Britomart
    April 26, 2008

    MikeD do you have a link for the popular poll list?

    < >

    More coffee needed, back soon……

  614. #614 KevinGreene
    April 26, 2008
  615. #615 OJR
    April 26, 2008

    Smashing numbers right there! About half-a-percent on official expelled myspace site think ID should be taught! xD

  616. #616 Smarty Pants
    April 26, 2008

    I turned off my cookies, and repeated myself.

  617. #617 MikeD
    April 26, 2008

    The popular poll list is on PollDaddy at:

    http://answers.polldaddy.com/

  618. #618 Chris Hall
    April 26, 2008

    This was brilliantly (although I think by chance) posted on a Friday morning. If it’s still here now I think there’s very little chance that it will be pulled before Monday, and will all the bots posting the ‘no’ vote will be up to a couple of million. It must suck to be as universally ridiculed as much as Mathis.

  619. #619 James F
    April 26, 2008

    Wow, this has been beaten to death. This is amusing, sure, but in the end all it impacts are the visitors to Mathis’ little propaganda page. This horse you’re beating is no more. It has ceased to be. It’s expired and gone to meet its maker. This is a late horse.

    Meanwhile, what has gone on at actual movie poll sites, as Expelled tries to squeeze out a decent showing this second weekend?

    Internet Movie Database: Went UP from 3.6/10 to 3.7/10

    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091617/

    Yahoo Movies: Down from B to B- (good)

    movies.yahoo.com/mvc/drv?mid=1809995068&s=rc_d

    Fandango: Went from 2 to 3 on fan rated top 10, and IS NOW BACK TO 2

    http://www.fandango.com/

    Brian K. also mentioned Box Office Mojo:

    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=expelled.htm

    This is so painful, like watching a friend with obsessive-compulsive disorder. Spend a percentage of the energy on Mathis’ silly poll on sites that moviegoers actually read!

  620. #620 randytoad
    April 26, 2008

    Great! I just voted No(4/26/08 12:17 EDT). Yes is currently in 3rd place (0.28%) behind No (98.77%) and What is it? (0.90%).

  621. #621 Confused
    April 26, 2008

    @119

    >confused>One comment, by Justin, reads, “Great Movie! And Happy Belated Easter!”, yet has an image of Ben Stein spray-painting the XVIVO video vesicle with the caption: “What? It’s not a copy/Ours is brown!”
    >/confused>

    Given he also lists his religion as “atheist” and has among his interests population genetics, evolution, comparative religion, the flying spaghetti monster, and critical thinking; I suspect he has been a victim of comment editing (like BobC @ 400).

  622. #622 Jan Chan
    April 26, 2008

    Hey, is anyone up for some serious vote-rigging, the forces of godlessness are suffering in the TIME 100 internet poll. Just visit http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1725112_1726934_1726935,00.html, click on the name of the person you want to vote up (or down).

    Neil Tyson, Ayaan and Hitchens are there.

  623. #623 themadlolscientist
    April 26, 2008

    308,000+ “No” votes! =crowd goes wild=

    Off to bomb the Time poll……..

  624. #624 Venger
    April 26, 2008

    The poll now reads:
    306430 votes no 98.82%,
    816 yes 0.26%,
    167 Not sure 0.05%,
    2701 What is it 0.87%.

  625. #625 MikeD
    April 26, 2008

    The rating on Yahoo movies is still B-
    http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809995068/user

    If you leave a review, remember to take some time and rate other reviews as “Helpful”.

  626. #626 Rock_Biologist
    April 26, 2008

    #625

    MikeD,

    My review and rating is there! At the very least, include ExpelledExposedDOTcom (write “dot” instead of period or it gets censored).

  627. #627 «bønez_brigade»
    April 26, 2008

    Bump.

    Focus efforts at the following sites; also, add a review and help out similar reviews. You’ll have to register, of course, but they’re all free.

    boxofficemojo:
    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=expelled.htm
    (currently at B-)

    fandango:
    http://www.fandango.com/expelled:nointelligenceallowed_113802/movieoverview
    (currently at 4/5, or “Go”)

    flixster:
    http://www.flixster.com/movie/expelled-no-intelligence-allowed
    (currently at 4/5 stars)

    imdb:
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1091617/
    (currently at 3.7/10 stars)

    rotten tomatoes:
    http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/expelled_no_intelligence_allowed/
    (currently at 3/10, or 9% – yeah, weird)

    yahoo:
    http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1809995068/info
    (currently at B-)

    And FWIW, the poll is currently at:
    Y 816 (0.24%)
    N 331042 (98.83%)
    NS 167 (0.05%)
    WTF 3002 (0.90%)

    I’d still like to know more about this wholesome-looking “Radical Psycho Jesus Freak” Heidi Almighty…

  628. #628 VoteEarlyAndOften
    April 26, 2008

    Yes I’m evil, but here’s the direct link to game the TIME poll for Hitchens.

  629. #629 alex
    April 26, 2008

    No, you are a retard

  630. #630 itwasntme
    April 26, 2008

    Well over 300k when I added my 15 votes Saturday am…

  631. #631 itwasntme
    April 26, 2008

    …and climbing by about 30 votes per second.

  632. #632 Anders M
    April 26, 2008
  633. #633 Meyrick Kirby
    April 26, 2008

    I have a sneaky feeling that somebody who knows a fair amount about Flash programming has found a way to trick the voting software and engineered this result.

  634. #634 Barry
    April 26, 2008

    Kids never want to believe that Santa isn’t real when you tell them for the first time.

    Why should intellectual children react any differently to Santa: Adult Model?

  635. #635 John Phillips, FCD
    April 26, 2008

    Meyrick Kirby, ya think :)

  636. #636 David Marjanovi?, OM
    April 26, 2008

    The results as of 1:56pm CST:

    Yes (584 votes) 6.62%
    No (7507 votes) 85.13%
    Not sure (15 votes) 0.17%
    What is it? (712 votes) 8.07%

    They can’t even attract the choir to their own site!

    They have attracted the entire choir to their own site. All 584 823 of them. What did you think?

    When the comments reach #666 – what happens to this blog?

    Being scientists, we have tried that. Several times. When the comment number approaches 2500, the ScienceBlogs server gets problems, and the powers that be approach PZ so he closes that thread…

    Next step is to try and figure out how to automate the voting process…

    Ask Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia, or Triad Systems. Well, there are now 366,563 “no” votes, with something like 120 being added if I refresh polldaddy twice in a row, so I think someone has automated it.

    if you want the link to open in a new window or tab (as I usually do), just middle-click on it. If your mouse doesn’t have a middle button, use Apple-click or Apple-shift-click, or whatever the equivalent is in Microsoftland, if that’s what you’re stuck with.

    The MS equivalent is a right-click which gives you options like “open in a new window”, “open in a new tab” (IE 7.0 and higher), “save target as”, “copy link”…

  637. #637 David Marjanovi?, OM
    April 26, 2008

    Correction: when I just refreshed this twice in a row, the “no” count rose by only 6 votes. It is now at 367,008. At this speed, it really might be just lots of people voting, rather than a script voting once every 10 milliseconds. Who has voted more than 20 times? :-}

    “What is it” has climbed to over 1 % and is at 3,863. “Yes” stays at 823, “not sure” is at 167.

  638. #638 Sterghe
    April 26, 2008

    Wow! Thank you, PZ, for your efficient reach of an obvious fan base. I just went to the poll, voted (“No,” of course!), and saw the results:

    Yes (824 votes) 0.22%
    No (369456 votes) 98.71%
    Not sure (167 votes) 0.04%
    What is it? (3869 votes) 1.03%

    Don’t let my bit of trivial glee dissuade anyone else from voting, though. Obviously, the poll could be reset at any time. If it’s not, wouldn’t it be nice to see the “No” votes top 99.5% of the vote, so it would round off to 100%? (Not that I’d advocate deceptive use of statistics!)

    Thanks to all 369,455 others who voted. :)

  639. #639 John Phillips, FCD
    April 26, 2008

    Well, like many others here, I really really want to know what ID is, beyond goddidit that is :)

  640. #640 Calilasseia
    April 26, 2008

    Latest Stats are (as of 23:27 BST):

    No: 380,486 (98.59%)

    What is it?: 4,511 (1.17%)

    Yes: 824 (0.21%)

    Not Sure: 167 (0.04%)

    That’s a 461.75 to 1 ratio of No to Yes.

    I gather that appropriate phrases to use at this juncture are “epic lulz” and “pwnd”.

  641. #641 Mike Higginbottom
    April 26, 2008

    I just worked out how to get past their comment filtering. If anyone wants to comment here’s how:

    Send a very brief ID friendly comment with a link to a nice picture of Jesus holding a fluffy lamb or something. Wait til your comment gets approved. Then change the image the link point to into a picture which contains your real comment. I’m pretty sure that was the method employed by Justin as mentioned in #119 above.

    I’ve not tested this myself yet (just about to) but I’m pretty sure this should work.

  642. #642 TLP
    April 26, 2008

    As of 02:40 EET
    Yes (829 votes)
    No (387851 votes)

  643. #643 Britomart
    April 26, 2008

    So, I havn’t been here very long.

    Whats the most comments a topic has ever had ?

    And is this the most fun ?

    Just wondering :)

    thank you kindly

  644. #644 Anonymous
    April 26, 2008

    This poll is full of win and awesome. Bravo, ScienceBlogs, bravo.

  645. #645 Facehammer
    April 26, 2008

    Wow, 394040 No, 832 Yes. While I’m all for the merciless destruction of “intelligent design” at every opportunity, the massive rate makes me suspect somebody’s made a script that’s automatically voting. Or maybe I’m just pessimistic.

    Interestingly, I can’t even add this lot as a friend. This is probably in some way related to the way I got banned from ever posting in a myspace group ever again: I used to occasionally go into creationist groups and give them a taste of my passable knowledge of science.* A couple of months after myspace was snapped up by that colossal knob Rupert Murdoch, I found I could no longer post in any of these groups, with no warning, no ban message, not even a hearty “fuck you.”

    Occasionally deeply offending poor, innocent christians with science was almost certainly the cause of this insidious silencing, because it was pretty much the only thing I had used it for in at least a couple of years.

    *I’m just now finishing the second year of a biology degree at Aberystwyth

  646. #646 Al
    April 26, 2008

    I guess all the people who voted to keep intelligent design out of the schools do no believe in intelligent design. Would the results be the opposite if the question was “Do you think the theory of evolution should be taught in our education system?” I hope that people don’t think one THEORY can be taught in school when another THEORY cannot be, especially when the latter has more proof.

    http://users.netconnect.com.au/~leedas/index.html

    If there is no Creator, how do we know the difference between right and wrong?

  647. #647 Carlie
    April 26, 2008

    Oh, Al, you’re funny. Tell another joke!

  648. #648 Facehammer
    April 26, 2008

    AI: a little thing called society, maybe?

    If you thought that god would not punish you for your actions, would you immediately embark on an orgy of pillage and plunder and rape?

    Oh, I should say hello too. Been reading Pharynula on and off for a while, but only just started posting. Well done, AI, for unleashing the beast.

  649. #649 MAJeff, OM
    April 26, 2008

    I hope that people don’t think one THEORY can be taught in school when another THEORY cannot be, especially when the latter has more proof.

    Theory, you’re using it wrong.

  650. #650 Al
    April 26, 2008

    And how about defending your position rather than bashing the opposing one?

  651. #651 Al
    April 26, 2008

    I’m not the one calling them theories.

    I’m done here.

    I’ve read the last chapter. We win.

  652. #652 Bride of Shrek
    April 26, 2008

    Britomart @ # 643

    We’ve a couple of threads go well into the 1200 region but they were usually on some contraversial topic and the dearly missed Truth Machine was usually responsible for about a quarter of them.

  653. #653 JCG
    April 26, 2008

    Al:

    I’ve read the last chapter. We win.

    http://www.jeffreysharp.org/fun/YouWinThePrize.jpg

    …Because your post doesn’t dignify anything other than scorn

  654. #654 MAJeff, OM
    April 26, 2008

    We’ve a couple of threads go well into the 1200 region but they were usually on some contraversial topic and the dearly missed Truth Machine was usually responsible for about a quarter of them.

    one of the Expelled threads recently went over 2000.

  655. #655 J
    April 26, 2008

    If there is no Creator, how do we know the difference between right and wrong?

    Of course there is a Creator.

  656. #656 Green Eagle
    April 26, 2008

    “If there is no Creator, how do we know the difference between right and wrong?”

    I suppose it never occurred to you that if, say, it hurts you to get bashed in the mouth, it might be mean to bash someone else in the mouth. That’s called empathy. It doesn’t require believing in God, or intelligent design or anything like that.

    There’s also a word for people like you who don’t seem to have any of this “empathy”. The word is sociopath.

  657. #657 Ichthyic
    April 26, 2008

    one of the Expelled threads recently went over 2000.

    IIRC, all the Scott Adams threads ended up going over at least 1000, one to over 1500.

  658. #658 Ichthyic
    April 26, 2008

    I’ve read the last chapter. We win.

    I’ve got a lawn chair with a bunch of helium balloons attached with your name on it.

  659. #659 HOLY SMACK!!!
    April 26, 2008


    [IMG]http://i27.tinypic.com/14kfk2w.jpg[/IMG]
    http://i27.tinypic.com/14kfk2w.jpg

    I get the feeling that this web site + StumbleUpon has caused this, if this started out 3:1 earlier today.

  660. #660 rydrum2112
    April 26, 2008

    WORD.

    98.51% of people have voted NO.

    Thanks for pointing it out PZ.

  661. #661 themadlolscientist
    April 26, 2008

    Yes: 849
    No: 409,454
    Don’t know: 170
    Huh?: 5268

    Al moans:

    If there is no Creator, how do we know the difference between right and wrong?

    Don’t mind him, it’s a Calvinist Thang. Calvin taught that one of the essential characteristics of humanity was “Total Depravity.” That’s right – we can never do anything good on our own in spite of being “made in the image of God.” It’s a completely unbiblical concept.

    Nonhuman animals have a lot of “do the right thing” hardwired into them. Altruism, cooperation, empathy, and loyalty are important survival instincts. Waitaminnit, Cal and Al! Are you saying that we somehow missed out on all those good qualities by dint of being human?

    But I’m not going to go any further into theology than that. It’s a complete waste of energy, and this really isn’t the place for it anyway. Just one piece of advice, Al: If your church starts serving Kool-Aid for communion, WATCH OUT.

  662. #662 BlueIndependent
    April 26, 2008

    Al: “…I’ve read the last chapter. We win.”

    Well thanks for confirming that the Bible is little more than a Clancy novel.

    Now, any chance that instead of someone gaming the numbers on their end to flip the poll results, they change the question asked so the it’s about the whether evolution should be taught?

  663. #663 Jackson
    April 27, 2008

    400,000 votes?

  664. #664 J
    April 27, 2008

    I’ve read the last chapter. We win.

    DAMMIT! You’re supposed to put “spoiler alert!”

  665. #665 Alex
    April 27, 2008

    yes: 851
    no: 409,561

  666. #666 «bønez_brigade»
    April 27, 2008

    ¡666!

  667. #667 «bønez_brigade»
    April 27, 2008

    Hmmm, it looks like they finally pulled the poll. ‘Twas fun while it lasted, though. The last results were approximately:
    Y 851
    N 409606
    NS 175
    WTF 5300

    Refer to the links in post #627 for the (major) movie review websites to post reviews & vote, as those will reach a larger audience.

    Also, @628 (VoteEarlyAndOften), that link you posted for the Time poll has become broken.

  668. #668 «bønez_brigade»
    April 27, 2008

    OK, so now the poll is back up on the myspace page, though it was never actually unavailable on the polldaddy page.
    And the votes aren’t currently changing by much, either:
    Yes (854 votes)
    No (409666 votes)

  669. #669 Claudi
    April 27, 2008

    lmao @ #73

    I think the poll has been pulled now…

  670. #670 MarkW
    April 27, 2008

    For what it’s worth, the polldaddy link still works, but I think the bot must have been switched off ;)

    855 yes votes
    409702 no
    175 not sure
    5301 what is it.

    I’m off to post a review on yahoo.

  671. #671 Etha Williams
    April 27, 2008

    @#646 Al –

    I hope that people don’t think one THEORY can be taught in school when another THEORY cannot be, especially when the latter has more proof.

    re: ‘theory’: You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

    And in case Inigo Martinez is not enough to convince you of the error of your ways, I offer you this definition of theory, straight from the OED: A hypothesis that has been confirmed or established by observation or experiment, and is propounded or accepted as accounting for the known facts.

    The very existence of a designer has not been confirmed or established by observation or experiment, let alone the notion that he/she/it/them was somehow involved in the process of evolution.

    http://users.netconnect.com.au/~leedas/index.html

    That website was…really bizarre…and kind of insane.

    If there is no Creator, how do we know the difference between right and wrong?

    Mostly empathy and experience. Actually, that’s how you (or your pastor/figure of religious authority) know the difference between right and wrong too. Even the strictest biblical literalist shows some discretion about which of God’s numerous Old and New Testaments should be strictly followed and which can be ignored as out-of-date, etc. Those that can be ignored are generally those which empathy and experience (or the empathy & experience of your trusted religious authority figure) tell you are wrong. It’s thanks to the abilities to use our own minds to judge right from wrong — and no thanks to the Bible or other dogmatic religiomoral texts — that we aren’t doing absurd backwards things like stoning people today.

    If you are truly unable to conceive of right from wrong without someone telling you what it is, then you really are a sociopath.

  672. #672 MarkW
    April 27, 2008

    My review on Yahoo movies: http://tinyurl.com/5gnatt

    I’ve been clicking ‘no’ on the ‘is this review helpful’ link on as many of the creationist reviews as I can. And ‘yes’ on the realworldist reviews.

    (Did I just invent that? realworldist as in opposition to creationist?)

  673. #673 Etha Williams
    April 27, 2008

    @#672 MarkW –

    (Did I just invent that? realworldist as in opposition to creationist?)

    “realworldist” gets only two hits on google, both pertaining to things utterly unrelated to creationism, so yes, I think you did :).

    My favorite, though, is simply: scientist. From the Latin “scio, scire, scivi, scitus” meaning to know. Sometimes etymological vindication is the best sort.

  674. #674 «bønez_brigade»
    April 27, 2008

    @291, etc.,
    Ben Stein’s appearance on the Craig Ferguson Show:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=8HRMabkNNZM

    Stein doesn’t seem too serious about the movie, especially with all the drug references he & Craig trade, and also due to the fact that half of the interview was off-topic. And Stein even throws out that pitiful, desperate cry for (guaranteed) applause: “the real stars are in Iraq…” No, nobody’s ever used that one before….
    Also, the previous quotes about planets & Darwinism may need to be altered slightly (by a word or two).

    And, FWIW, the poll is still active:
    Yes (855 votes)
    No (410210 votes)

  675. #675 Loscann
    April 27, 2008

    This made my day. Oh and by the way, you all might be interested in this:
    http://bluecollarscientist.com/2008/04/18/some-expelled-reviews/
    Have a great weekend everyone!

  676. #676 momo
    April 27, 2008

    No: ~412000 votes

    from the comments:
    “Thanks to
    Aristotle,
    Copernicus,
    Galileo,
    Pasteur
    and other rebels of scientific thought,
    who dared to question accepted “facts,”
    modern scientists
    now know that many past “truths” were false.”

    too much pain. go read the biography of Galileo. who opposed his findings?

    from aunt wiki on copernicus:
    “It has been much debated why it was not until six decades after Spina and Tolosani’s attacks on Copernicus’s work that the Catholic Church took any official action against it. Proposed reasons have included the personality of Galileo Galilei and the availability of evidence such as telescope observations.”

    “In 1633 Galileo Galilei was convicted of grave suspicion of heresy for “following the position of Copernicus, which is contrary to the true sense and authority of Holy Scripture,”[23] and was placed under house arrest for the rest of his life.”

  677. #677 clinteas
    April 27, 2008

    @ Etha Williams:

    Will you marry me?

  678. #678 Ichthyic
    April 27, 2008

    and other rebels of scientific thought,
    who dared to question accepted “facts,”
    modern scientists
    now know that many past “truths” were false.”

    uh huh.

    http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/index.php?title=Galileo_fallacy

  679. #679 MarkW
    April 27, 2008

    #673 Etha Williams,

    While I’d agree that scientist is a good label, I don’t know whether I can accurately use it of posters of negative reviews of the “Expelled” movie.

    For instance, for my day-job, I design and develop web sites and applications, so cannot with a clear conscience call myself a scientist. And as it’s my neologism, I’m quite attached to realworldist. :)

  680. #680 John Wilder
    April 27, 2008

    I’ve been clicking ‘no’ on the ‘is this review helpful’ link on as many of the creationist reviews as I can. And ‘yes’ on the realworldist reviews.

    (Did I just invent that? realworldist as in opposition to creationist?)

    I think the word you were looking for is “sane”.

  681. #681 katkinkate
    April 27, 2008

    Yes 855 (0.2%)

    NO – 416,155 (98.45%)

    REALITY RULES!!!

  682. #682 katkinkate
    April 27, 2008

    Re the poster link in 304, it needs a soundtrack of or a watermark-like banner across the sky of “We don’t need no education.”

  683. #683 MarkW
    April 27, 2008

    John @ #680

    ‘Sane’. Thanks. Indeed. :-D

  684. #684 Notkieran
    April 27, 2008

    #661:

    Maybe we lack all these moral things that the animals have because we were “made in the image of God”?

    Calvin was right! God is a sociopath!

  685. #685 WRMartin
    April 27, 2008

    Refreshing those scripts whenever I get a free second or two. I justify voting multiple times not because I relish the ‘cheating’ but because I’m >1000 times against teaching anything other than realworldism in science class. Heh, Realworldism 101. PZ, can course descriptions have a subtitle? ;)

  686. #686 Cee
    April 27, 2008

    Currently:

    Yes 867 or .2%
    No 416,795 votes or about 98%

    And then a few hundred of the last two “unsure” and “what is it?”…. both charming alternative responses. Barf.

    SUCCESSS.

    If anyone cares for my opinion, the movie was horrific religious propaganda… it did a horrible job “proving the case” for ID.

    ID isn’t a theory by the way… theory is a very exact term in science and it isn’t handed out willy nilly.

  687. #687 hexhunter
    April 27, 2008

    LOL, I just burst out laughing when I saw the results, I’d only read PZ’s post that it was 3:1, now yes is insanly outnumbered by “What is it?”, luckily, I don’t think that many Emo’s are anti-science…

    This surely means 1 of 2 things, either Mathis will quickly retract the poll(quickly, somebody take some screenshots, we may want this info for the DVD release) or they’ll claim it just proves how effective BIG SCIENCE are at INDOCTRINATING PEOPLE.

    -Deus Ex Machina

  688. #688 mijhail
    April 27, 2008

    Acabo de votar:
    Yes: 0,2%
    No: 97.89%
    27/04/2008 3:53pm (VEN)

  689. #689 cath
    April 27, 2008

    PZ, if you are still tracking this, will you please make a post with links for all the other sites we can usefully add our opinions to? Pretty please with squid ink on top?

    There are a lot mentioned here in the comments, but as this has got so huge it’s hard to find them. I remember IMDB and yahoo movies, but I’m sure that’s not all.

  690. #690 themadlolscientist
    April 28, 2008

    Calvin was right! God is a sociopath!

    I can’t speak for God, but Calvin certainly was! I haven’t a clue where he got all his ßu77$#!+….. but it wasn’t from any Bible I’ve ever read……..

  691. #691 Kerry
    April 28, 2008

    HAS BEN STEIN LOST THE TATTERED REMAINS OF HIS CREDIBILITY OR RESPECTABILITY?
    IS HE A JEW HATER AND ANOTHER FECKLESS LIAR FOR THE CALLOUS, ANTI-SOCIAL. MONEY HOARDING HATE MONGERS, THAT COMPRISE THE GOP?

    I watched the EXPELLED super trailer and wonder if Ben Stein would’ve supported the Nazi’s easily dragging the whole self-righteous Christian machinery and followers with him. If you think I’m crazy, you didn’t see what i saw.

    The Nazis were, by and large christians and the Holocaust was not about school curriculums being decided by ideologues who don’t consider Sunday School enough time for indoctrination. So, how are shocking images of the Nazi death camps on a par with no “Intelligent Design” in our public school curriculum?

    The makers of EXPELLED apparently lack any sense of proportion. Ben repeats more than once, that freedom of speech is what’s at stake, as the jack-booted Nazi Wehrmacht marches across the screen. Huh? Did he say free speech? And how many people are being hauled off to jail for supporting this nasty “keep ‘em stirred up,” film?

    There’s nothing to explain what happened to the Jews and other undesirables, not for their un-christian ideas, for their race or that they might not be trustworthy patriots for the fatherland. None of it explains the German hatred of Jews that had been on a parboil for centuries ending so hideously.

    If EXPELLED is the first salvo of BEN’s idea of a cogent argument for his belief in Intelligent Design the atheists have nothing to fear, since the religious right has apparently decided to hit the self destruct button!

  692. #692 Giford
    April 28, 2008

    Shame about the bot attack – it gives legitimacy to someone pulling the poll by claiming that all the ‘no’ votes were all fraudulent.

  693. #693 Jackie
    April 28, 2008

    Very sad to see the poll has been pulled…reading the wall posts on the myspace page gave me the creeps…I have a feeling they delete/don’t approve the negative ones

  694. #694 jamesj
    April 28, 2008

    So things have become so bad that people here have to resort to this kind of activity?

    Really? Really?

  695. #695 Aegis
    April 28, 2008

    After two weeks in theaters, millions in production and advertising, and the “expelledthemovement” myspace page has 4470 friends. In contrast, my snowboarding friend has over 8000. One of the girls that modeled my t-shirt designs (she’s a successful import model) has over 150,000.

    The comments are hilarious, though, and worth a read.

    EPIC. FAIL.

  696. #696 Kseniya
    April 29, 2008

    So things have become so bad that people here have to resort to this kind of activity? Really? Really?

    No, not really. Those kinds of polls are unscientific, and can never return meaningful results beyond whatever we can wring from the obvious: “Some percentage of people who happened to run across this poll think (a), another percentage think (b)…” and so on. The purpose of sporting with such a poll such is to demonstrate how easily an already pointless exercise can be skewed beyond recognition – and to deprive the pollmaker from getting the (essentially meaningless) result he’s hoping for. I doubt that many people believe that nearly half a million people voted on an obscure MySpace poll in under 24 hours, and I don’t think anyone is supposed to believe it.

    Could this activity be described as somewhat ridiculous, and more than a little spiteful? You betcha. But I guess the alternative is to sit by while an ID site hands itself a meaninglessly favorable poll result to crow about.

    OH I dunno, maybe I’m over-analyzing. ;-)

  697. #697 «bønez_brigade»
    April 29, 2008

    The Bad Astronomer posted on the myspace poll today, so it likely experienced another flood of not-so-desired votes — thus effecting its removal, no doubt. The poll remains active, though, here:
    http://answers.polldaddy.com/poll/256557/

    And the current results are:
    Yes <1% (906 votes)
    No 98% (419,965 votes)
    Not sure <1% (183 votes)
    What is it? 2% (8,925 votes)

    @689, cath,
    Back in comment #627, I gathered a few links of movie review sites (some previously mentioned, some new) where one can add Expelled reviews.

  698. #698 DVSB
    April 30, 2008

    Well, it was an interesting experiment, but Expelled have pulled the poll from their MySpace page.

    Shame really, had they left it up I might have been fractionally more inclined to believe their movie was about not suppressing contradictory views to your own.

    Apparently, freedom of speech is something they deserve, not necessarily something anyone who disagrees with them is entitled too.

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