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Molecular biology for babbling Christianists
Category: Kooks
Posted on: April 28, 2008 8:24 PM, by PZ Myers
I thought Jebons were supposed to be a joke … so what is this lunatic ranting about?
Warning: this is from GodTube, so unless you've got a fair amount of tolerance for crazy, deluded talk, you might not want to click on it.
Just in case you didn't want to puke up your dinner by actually watching this kook, it's an evangelical apologist teaching his version of molecular biology to his audience — he is immensely and undeservedly impressed by the fact that the cell adhesion molecule laminin is cruciform in diagrams. Forget the fact that it is a floppy glycoprotein, and the arms can fold around into many configurations; never mind that the Christian symbol is trivial, a mere two slashes, one across the other, and apparently anything with four arms will fit it (nobody tell them about tRNA!); it probably doesn't even matter that there are many adhesion molecules, such as NCAMs, cadherins, and integrins that are not cross-shaped. Laminin is a secreted adhesion molecule that gets enmeshed in the extracellular matrix; it has 3 similar, short arms that adhere to other laminin molecules, which promotes their assembly into a feltwork.
From this feeble, pathetic, coincidental shape, the preacher spins out an incredible interpretation — Jesus holds us together! The audience of dumb yokels oohs and aahs over this nonsense. This is depressing, since this seems to be the level of comprehension we can expect from the public.
Also depressing: google for laminin, and aside from the Wikipedia entry, the top references right now are all to Christian kooks babbling about this trivial shape story. What a sad fate for a developmentally and evolutionarily significant molecule that has roots right down at the base of the metazoan family tree. I cringe to see these loons abusing molecular biology to cheerlead for superstition.
I was asked if there were any swastika shaped molecules in the cell. Sure.
That's a potassium channel. Your brains are full of them.
Comments
Yet another Christian lying for money at the expense of young people.
Lies because he claims to know what hes talking about when its clear to any objective mind he does not.
Creepy.
Posted by: Andy James | April 28, 2008 8:31 PM
You can't by any chance find a protein that looks like a swastika can you? Think how happy the nasty little man would be then
Posted by: Chris Hall | April 28, 2008 8:31 PM
Have you ever noticed how closely elephants resemble the Hindu god Ganesh? Surely that's evidence of the underlying truth of Hinduism!
Posted by: Michael Whitehead | April 28, 2008 8:33 PM
Ooops, pressed send too soon - I mean because it would prove that evolution was evil (never mind that a cross shape protein proves that god created us)
Posted by: Chris Hall | April 28, 2008 8:33 PM
I find myself recalibrating the scale on which i measure how depressive things are a lot:
http://gorillasguides.com/2008/04/28/barbaric-honour-killings-become-the-weapon-to-subjugate-women-in-iraq/
Posted by: Dutch Delight | April 28, 2008 8:35 PM
Jesus doesn't hold us together. Everybody knows it's midichlorians.
Posted by: UprightAlice | April 28, 2008 8:36 PM
Hey, I got through twelve whole seconds before I teared up and started crying at the beautifulness of his speech...
Actually I fucking threw up, what an idiot!
And yes, I know "beautifulness" isn't a word so no grammar corrections!
Posted by: Kirk | April 28, 2008 8:36 PM
#2
Well, there's a triskelion.
Posted by: J | April 28, 2008 8:37 PM
Midichlorians!!!! I don't want to admit I know what they are, but thats funny right there!
Posted by: Kirk | April 28, 2008 8:38 PM
Using our pareidolia skills, how about one that looks like a Buddhist mandala, or a smiley face or a goats head, or the Cydonia Mensae Mars face.
Its protein, its like silly string. It looks like whatever you you want to believe it is, but that does not make it that thing.
A camel in clouds does not make that cloud a camel.
This preacher guy is a direct demonstration of the feeble thinking inherent in Christian thought. Their own de-education of their progeny will be their own downfall.
Posted by: Andy James | April 28, 2008 8:39 PM
Of course, one of the conclusions that follows from this gentleman's logic is that free will is out the window.
At the beginning of life, either 4.5 billion years ago, or as this fellow would likely claim, 6000 years ago, YHWH put this cruciform structure into a biologically important molecule, knowing that either 4000 or 4.5 billion less 2000 years later His Only Begotten Son and Saviour Of Mankind would die on this particular Roman torture implement. Therefore YHWH (or, as Larry Gonick would have it, Yahoowahoo) knew everything that was coming down the pike. That time you had an impure thought about the person sitting next to you in your eigth grade English class? Yahoowahoo knew about it at the beginning of time, and was planning to send you to the Eternal Lake of Fire for it.
Posted by: Cliff Hendroval | April 28, 2008 8:43 PM
So does he believe it looked like a star of David before the whole Jesus thing happened?
Posted by: Bardiac | April 28, 2008 8:45 PM
Dang, it's a cross. Well I'm convinced.
Posted by: Andrew | April 28, 2008 8:48 PM
Dang, I wonder if you can get an accredited degree in molecular biology at Patriot Bible University?
Posted by: Dennis N | April 28, 2008 8:49 PM
I'm actually pretty convinced.
Oh, wait, don't most proteins look like spaghetti? Flying Spaghetti Monster is holding our bodies together!
Posted by: Norbert Pozar | April 28, 2008 8:49 PM
J:
That clathrin molecule looks more like a 20-sided dice to me. I'd say that confirms, once and or all, that Gary Gygax is god.
Posted by: Gene | April 28, 2008 8:51 PM
Frankly, the video explaining how peanut butter refutes evolution is much more powerful and compelling.
[Link]
Hmmmm. Peanut butter.
Posted by: Zeno | April 28, 2008 8:52 PM
How about a pentagram?
In any event it is really lucky that the Roman authorities did not have electric chairs. ;-)
Astronomers might want to get into the fun as well.
Posted by: A lurker | April 28, 2008 8:54 PM
Haha! I remember the Jebons! In fact, I still sometimes use that image as my avatar in some chat rooms. ;-)
Posted by: The Science Pundit | April 28, 2008 8:55 PM
Cottage cheese always lumps up in threes. Coincidence?
Posted by: danley | April 28, 2008 8:56 PM
Ya know, even if they found proof on a molecular level, that doesn't mean everyone who's believed without evidence for the past 1700 years hasn't been ridiculous and delusional.
Posted by: Dennis N | April 28, 2008 9:03 PM
Just now on House: "What, so evolution isn't real now? What is this, 21st century America?"
Posted by: Dennis N | April 28, 2008 9:05 PM
I hope he doesn't accidentally turn the diagram upside-down. Whoops, now we're all held together by Satan!
Posted by: wisnij | April 28, 2008 9:08 PM
That electron-microscope image didn't look like a cross at all. It looked like a really lopsided vase...wait, now it looks like a dog and a cat kissing! Awww.
Posted by: Nasikabatrachus | April 28, 2008 9:11 PM
"..unless you've got a fair amount of tolerance for crazy, deluded talk, you might not want to click on it."
I'm sorry. I was wrong. I honestly thought I could take it.
I'm so seriously revolted right now.
I can't shake the dread in the pit of my stomach that this thinking may continue to spread.
That's downright depressing.
Posted by: MJMD | April 28, 2008 9:13 PM
Ah, the episode just mentioned intelligent design too, in mockery.
Posted by: Dennis N | April 28, 2008 9:13 PM
Didn't watch the video. You know, these people are just morons. Literally.
The median IQ in the USA is 100, meaning 50% of the population has an IQ of less than that. Many of the 70's and 80's are fundie Xians.
There is a steady exodus of people from the cults. Not everyone wants to lie a lot, be ignorant, and hate everyone else. And it is nonrandom, the best, brightest, and most educated wake up one day, and say, "Gee, this is stupid."
Demons don't cause mental illness, faith healing kills little kids often, the earth is 4.5 billion years old, and Ben Stein is an evil dwarf.
Posted by: raven | April 28, 2008 9:17 PM
So PZ. You have "uplifting" piano music wafting in the background during your lectures? :-)
Sheez... that was depressing to watch.
Posted by: Geo | April 28, 2008 9:19 PM
Hey, I thought the original symbol of Christianity was a fish?
You sure as hell don't see any of those in nature.
Posted by: Spaulding | April 28, 2008 9:26 PM
i have zero tolerance for "crazy, deluded talk." barf!
Posted by: Clare | April 28, 2008 9:28 PM
We need to bring in the scanning electron microscope.
Posted by: J | April 28, 2008 9:35 PM
apparently anything with four arms will fit it
Reminds me of a book from way back -- girls coming of age who learn the concept of phallic symbols and see them everywhere that summer, since as one points out in hindsight, anything that's taller than it is wide is one.
Posted by: QrazyQat | April 28, 2008 9:38 PM
I'm constantly amazed that people who would immediately concede they don't know enough about, say, electrical engineering, or programming, or networking - to make rational observations on their application and truths are completely willing - even motivated - to express their equally uninformed views on evolution, biology, and the like.
Posted by: Steve | April 28, 2008 9:48 PM
We need to bring in the scanning electron microscope.
It's too late for the microscope, we need to fetch the Comfy Chair!
Posted by: QrazyQat | April 28, 2008 9:48 PM
What does it mean to be "fearfully made?"
Posted by: Zachary B. | April 28, 2008 9:55 PM
Imagine how the pythagorean theorem would blow this guy's mind...
Seriously, to any religious folks who may be reading this: Yes, nature is awe inspiring, from the smallest molecule to every struggling organism to the spiralling expanses of the cosmos. But it's not the petty, inevitable coincidences that are amazing; rather, it's the dynamic complexity that grows from simple conditions, the sometimes imperceptible cycles and flows that surround us, the humbling understanding that the universe encompasses scales beyond our observation and easy comprehension.
And it's exciting to explore those areas as pioneers extending the range of human understanding. I'm sure the emotions involved would be familiar to a religious person. But the difference is that a true understanding of the world requires evidence, not just emotion.
So please, look up laminin. Read science books and articles. You'll find beauty, not an enemy.
Posted by: Spaulding | April 28, 2008 9:56 PM
A god tube full of laminin, kinda sounds like a new shaving cream or somethin that Kent Hovind might use as a penetrating ointment.
Posted by: Fernando Magyar | April 28, 2008 9:57 PM
Why would God pick a cross? Thought he wasn't big on idolatry and it's not like he has any good memories of "that time I got myself crucified."
If he were really trying to impress us, it wouldn't look like a cross. It would look like Jesus grinning and winking, that molecular trickster.
Posted by: OctoberMermaid | April 28, 2008 9:57 PM
Quem deus vult perdere, dementat prius. Hostis humani generis...quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
Posted by: Latina Amor | April 28, 2008 10:01 PM
That's not a swastika. That's a command symbol from Mac OS! STEVE JOBS IS JEEBUS!!!11!OMGWTFBBQ!!11!one!!11!!eleven.
Or maybe jeebus is a Swedish tourism official.
Posted by: Hans | April 28, 2008 10:04 PM
Astronomers might want to get into the fun as well.
You mean, like this?
http://ronsworld.wordpress.com/2007/06/20/in-him-all-things-hold-together/
If the blog itself doesn't leave you a quivering mass Jeebus-worshipping Jell-o, just read the comments. Those are sure to convince you...
Ollie
Posted by: Ollie | April 28, 2008 10:05 PM
Probably the funniest thing I've read all night.
That video is both depressing and scary. It's so amazingly idiotic, shows the faith hasn't progressed much since looking for divinations in spilled animal organs. But his rhetoric is powerful. He's just heaping onto these people talk about how special they are, how much God loves them, etc. Doesn't matter what lies he throws in there. He's got 'em.
So yes, Scientists must now lecture to piano accompaniment.
Posted by: Joshua Arnold | April 28, 2008 10:05 PM
What does it mean to be "fearfully made?"
maybe he meant: frightfully
...and was really referring to himself and his immediate audience.
frightfully made, indeed.
like a bunch of zombies...
Posted by: Ichthyic | April 28, 2008 10:06 PM
I think this is a sign from Heaven that we are to immediately crucify all Christians.
Or, maybe it's a sign telling us that if we play TicTacToe, we should alwys use an X. I'm pretty sure it's one or the other. It must be true, cuz God put it into a cell. And then Mary winked at me from my Grilled Cheese sandwich.
Posted by: J-Dog | April 28, 2008 10:09 PM
In hoc signo STUPID!
Posted by: William Gulvin | April 28, 2008 10:10 PM
So yes, Scientists must now lecture to piano accompaniment.
I said this for years when I was teaching, but for some reason, the department wouldn't spring for a professional player.
no way would I be so cheap as to use recorded accompaniment.
:p
Posted by: Ichthyic | April 28, 2008 10:17 PM
Bat... shit... crazy!
In a way, I almost feel sorry for this dim-witted huckster. In watching that video, I see a guy who is honestly challenged when it comes to taking money from brainless rubes.
Obviously, he's making this whole thing considerably harder than it has to be.
Seriously, when was the last time you saw one of these twisted, Bible-thumping gomers actually overthink something?
Posted by: Dan | April 28, 2008 10:26 PM
Just the same old BS. How is it any different than people who claimed that the "cross" found in the rubble of the Twin Towers was a sign of big sky daddy's love for the US.
Posted by: Janine ID | April 28, 2008 10:35 PM
"nobody tell them about tRNA!"
LuLz x1000
Posted by: Steven | April 28, 2008 10:46 PM
What year is this? I thought it was 2008 but looking at this makes me believe its somewhere in the middle of the Dark Ages where every thing was interpreted as either the sign of god or the devil, sometimes both on the very same day.
These people are lunatics, pure and simple.
Posted by: Larry | April 28, 2008 10:46 PM
What was that one gassy galaxy that the American Athiests chairwoman showed that looks just like a giant hand giving the universe "the bird"
Posted by: Amplexus | April 28, 2008 10:47 PM
rrrraaaaaaph!
Posted by: mikeg | April 28, 2008 10:47 PM
i mean ralph... choked on phlegm
Posted by: mikeg | April 28, 2008 10:50 PM
From the video:
o.O; So when they say they want to know God, do they mean "know" in...you know...the *biblical* sense? ;)
Posted by: Etha Williams | April 28, 2008 10:51 PM
re: my #54...gah...mis-transcribed; should be:
Posted by: Etha Williams | April 28, 2008 10:52 PM
Midichlorians! -lol-
May the force be with you, too.
Posted by: Latina Amor | April 28, 2008 10:56 PM
This pathetic misappropriation of science really is revolting.
When I was a kid, my mom would take me and my brother out to the park and we'd look at the clouds and try to see what shapes they made. If you'd told me then that people would make a career out of this sort of thing, I'd have been shocked.
Now, it doesn't surprise me at all...just depresses me a bit....
Posted by: Etha Williams | April 28, 2008 11:00 PM
Ladies and gentlemen, your moment of zen.
http://www.youtube.com/v/EyvUTWZC0xQ&hl
Posted by: Elliot | April 28, 2008 11:02 PM
Wow, better not tell him about clathrin then?
We get our nutriment via a molecule in the shape of an ancient Manx symbol. Of course, the triskelion was kinda adopted by the nazis as well so where does that leave them?
IDiots!
Reminds me of a book I saw a few years ago by a Japanese loony who reckoned that water formed various kanji depending on the surroundings and reacted to the emotions in the air or something. Truly timecube-worthy stuff.
Posted by: AlanWCan | April 28, 2008 11:03 PM
> What does it mean to be "fearfully made?"
Unfortunately, I understand the reference, having had it repeated over and over again in my childhood. :|
Christians are told to "fear god", which they've defined to mean something like "deeply respect and obey" in addition to the more obvious "be scared" reading.
To be "fearfully made" is to so in awe of the complexity of the body that it promotes "fearing god".
Hope that helps. >:-)
Posted by: SMgr | April 28, 2008 11:05 PM
Let's hope nobody tells them about the proteasome, either, which looks like a big, uncircumcised johnson. Or a joint. Or a 3-pound burrito.
I admit, I did not go watch the video. I do not need to waste a couple minutes of my life watching some Xian wax rhapsodic about the ribbon-and-stick theoretical structure of a protein. Gah!
TK Kenyon
Author of CALLOUS: A Novel, a story about free will, neuroscience, fate, Schrodinger's Cat, and the End of Days. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1601640226
Posted by: TK Kenyon | April 28, 2008 11:05 PM
Godtube? You have got to be kidding me. How did I miss that one? Anyway, I was perusing the sight when I came across video on why bananas are The Atheists Nightmare.
Posted by: Chris | April 28, 2008 11:13 PM
Wow, thanks PZ, I was really joking and not expecting that sort of result.
So, let's see, we have a protein that forms a cross and that proves Jesus looks over us.
And we have one that looks like a swastika, so...
I'm not sure where we go from here, it's a pointless argument, mind you I must admit that my hands really do hold bananas really well.
Posted by: Chris Hall | April 28, 2008 11:13 PM
It's not a cross, you numbskulls, it's a Cadeuceus! Knob at the top, a pair of inter-twining serpents, seven divisions from bottom to top representing the seven metals and transformative stages of Alchemy. The outstretched "arms" you Christians mistake for the side-beams of a cross are simply the outstretched wings of the serpents of the Cadeuceus. Since when have there been any intertwining serpents or top-and-bottom knobs on a cross? Therefore, Hermeticism is true! All hail Hermes, Thrice Great!
Or maybe it's a diagram of the chakra system. The intertwining serpents are the Kundalini, the seven divisions the seven chakras. Therefore, Hinduism is true!
The C-60 molecule is a geodesic sphere. Therefore, Buckminster Fuller is God! He also happens to have provided much more useful knowledge to the world than Jesus and all of his apostles put together.
Even with the piano music, that preacher is still a whackaloon!
Posted by: kcrady | April 28, 2008 11:31 PM
Shh....nobody tell them that there's angels in their cells. Big Science is suppressing this information.
Posted by: NP | April 28, 2008 11:34 PM
Well, there you go. Swastikas in the brain? We have here the final proof that brains are evil and should never be used. Indeed, Ben Stein was right, understand evolution-> using brain-> swastika-> holocaust.
QED.
Posted by: Coriolis | April 28, 2008 11:35 PM
It took four doses of this to get through it. This is an outrage.
I lived this bullshit for 50 years. I stood up and shouted at my computer screen at this ASS!
Snake kissing, tongue speaking, and arm waving hymn singing is bullshit - I know - I DID it.
It's henshit crazy.
My question is - WHY are they doing this? Why are the damned christo-tards going for science?*
P.1287 Concise Oxford English Dictionary - just for fun.
Christian fucktards. I'm so outraged I can't even walk two steps behind my husband. This is SO bad I can't puke enough.
Posted by: Patricia C. | April 28, 2008 11:40 PM
That video would have been funnier if the congregation didn't make it so depressing. I believe I was so dumbfounded that I described the video to a friend as, "... this frothing nutbar ejaculating all over his congregation about.... Laminin".
Crass, I know, but then so is the preacher's vision of what constitutes "reality".
Posted by: JM Inc. | April 28, 2008 11:40 PM
You people are very smug, but as Bible says, "Only a fool says in his heart there is no God" (Psalm 14:1). And I know that you are going to say the Bible is NOT TRUE. But 2 Timothy 3:16 says that "all scripture is God-Breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be throughly equiped for every good work."
The Bible has manny prophessies that have all come true, so why do you not believe that the chemical glue that is Cross shaped is not fulfillment of Collosians 1:17? "He is before all things, and in Him ALL THINGS HOLD TOGETHER."
If you have an open mind, you will SEE THE TRUTH.
"Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb down the middle of the great street of the city. On each side of the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of the nations. No longer will there be any curse. The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in the city, and his servants will serve him. They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads." -Revelation 22:1-4
Posted by: ISAIAH 62:11 | April 28, 2008 11:42 PM
Wasn't that also in that horrid abuse of physics called What the Bleep do We Know? God I hate that movie, it's like three hours of meandering nonsense, and their grasp on quantum physics and biology (both were abused in the name of woo, to borrow from Orac) wasn't even remotely relevant to this universe, or you know, any other universe.
Posted by: Numerical Thief | April 28, 2008 11:51 PM
No offence, ISAIAH, but are you serious? I mean, really? You don't see the logical problem with simply claiming that something is true? I've never understood the thought process that underlies the belief that something can be proven true by the fact that it claims itself to be true. What an odd thing to think. Besides, Laminin isn't "glue". It doesn't work the same way. By "chemical glue" do you mean something like polyvinyl acetate? Does is your god really the god of glue stick prophecy?
Besides, whether it says that "... in him all things consist" depends on your translation.
Posted by: JM Inc. | April 28, 2008 11:53 PM
I knew Manny Prophessies. Nice guy, but really bad breath.
Posted by: UprightAlice | April 28, 2008 11:56 PM
The Bible has manny prophessies that have all come true, so why do you not believe that the chemical glue that is Cross shaped is not fulfillment of Collosians 1:17? "He is before all things, and in Him ALL THINGS HOLD TOGETHER."
And it is said in Janine 6:9;"Thou shall use the spellcheck I hath provided for your computer lest one looks like a dumbass."
Posted by: Janine ID | April 28, 2008 11:59 PM
Isaiah, are you so blinded by your false teaching that you cannot see the Cadeuceus in the laminin molecule? Can you show me a cross bearing intertwined serpents, as we clearly see in the laminin molecule?
The Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus says, "As above, so below." This clearly predicts the discovery of Copernicus, Kepler, and Newton, that the same principles of physics that apply on Earth, apply in the heavens--a concept that caught your Christian theologians by surprise, as they believed that the heavens (being God's throne) operated according to different principles than those holding true on Earth.
You are very smug, but that does not change the truth of the Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus. Will you make your computer keyboard an altar of God today, and accept Thrice Great Hermes into your heart? He put His Cadeuceus into your every little cell, to show you how much he loves you! How can you be so hard-hearted as to turn your back on Him? *tears*
Posted by: kcrady | April 29, 2008 12:01 AM
Isaiah, good point. But are you familiar with this Book of Truth?
Heard it? Probably not, since I just made it up. But it has just as much credibility as your quotations. Especially since it goes on:
I'll admit, to really appreciate it, you have to read it in its original COMIC SANS.
For the glory of Zeus!
Posted by: Joshua Arnold | April 29, 2008 12:03 AM
Wait a minute.
Did he say, "Cells organize into certain molecular structures, and that determines what protein they are?"
WTF?
Also, seriously, does he actually think laminin is the only cell adhesion molecule in the body? The glue that's holding our bodies together? Give me a break.
Dscam is a much cooler (set of) cell adhesion molecules anyway.
Posted by: Etha Williams | April 29, 2008 12:05 AM
Godbot @69. Projecting any, you smug anti-rational lackwit? Do you have any new real evidence for your fairy tale, or do we just have to watch you wave your book of middle eastern mythology around? Yawn.
Posted by: MikeK | April 29, 2008 12:07 AM
The scariest part of that video, for me as a recovering Fundie , is realizing that just a few months ago, I would have eaten that shit up. He would've put that slide up and I, like that audience, would have seen God without the speaker having to say anything.
That scares the shit out of me.
And makes me increasingly grateful for the rationality that saved from all that.
Posted by: Joshua Arnold | April 29, 2008 12:09 AM
Joshua Arnold (#75),
Zeus is not real. The Bible says that the LORD is the only God we are to worship: "if you do not follow other gods to your own harm, then I will let you live in this place, in the land I gave your forefathers for ever and ever." Jeremiah 6:26.
You Athiests can't even use good logic. An analogy is only good if its real. Zeus is NOT REAL.
Posted by: ISAIAH 62:11 | April 29, 2008 12:10 AM
So does this mean that kids with progeria have no Jebus in them at all?
That's cruel, man, just cruel.
Posted by: minimalist | April 29, 2008 12:11 AM
#79
Ah, but here you are wrong, my poorly deluded friend. For as the Good Book says:
Posted by: Joshua Arnold | April 29, 2008 12:14 AM
ISAIAH 62:11, guess what? Every monotheistic religion claims it is real. Your bible saying that is nothing special. Here is an other guess what. You, I and everybody else who posts here will agree the Zeus is not real.
Posted by: Janine ID | April 29, 2008 12:15 AM
Uhhhhhh....Isaiah. Tell that to the bazillions of Greeks who worshiped him. And he was the king of Gods, so watch your mouth, troll, or he'll thunderbolt your ass.
PS: You better not come to this blog just to quote scripture brother....you're gonna have to do better than that.
Posted by: room101 | April 29, 2008 12:21 AM
The Bible is true, because it says so in the Bible? Isaiah, can't you see that anybody could make the same claim for their holy-book of preference? The Quran says the Quran is true, too.
The Emerald Tablet of Hermes Trismegistus says that Hermes Trismegistus exists, therefore, he does. Besides, "Emerald Tablet" is just cooler than "collection of papyrus and parchment scrolls" (i.e. "the Bible"). So it must be true! Yahweh is NOT REAL. See? I can assert stuff in all-caps too!
Posted by: kcrady | April 29, 2008 12:22 AM
From the OP:
Might I suggest google-bombing sites that provide actually scientifically valid information about Laminin?
(These 9 sites were chosen simply because after wikipedia, which I think already has a solid #1 lead over the babbling Xian sites, these are the first 9 non-crazy Laminin sites that currently come up on google.)
Click away....
Posted by: Etha Williams | April 29, 2008 12:22 AM
I am a victim of Poe's law.
Posted by: ISAIAH 62:11 | April 29, 2008 12:23 AM
Appealing to have an open mind does not mean that you should keep your mind so open that your brain falls out to leave your emptied cranium to confuse the squish of your frontal lobes with an epiphany. This is not a good or acceptable choice, in fact.
Furthermore, can someone please tell me why is it that those people who make a bully pulpit plea to "be more open-minded" are inevitably those people who have welded their own garbage-filled skulls shut?
Maybe JanineID?
Posted by: Stanton | April 29, 2008 12:26 AM
@#79 ISAIAH --
Ok, so your argument is: the LORD God wrote the Bible, so the Bible is true; the Bible says that God exists and is the only God to be worshiped, so God must exist and we must worship only Him.
You Christians (or bored trolls, whichever you may be) can't use good logic at all. An argument is only good if its conclusion isn't already stated in its premise. You fail.
Posted by: Etha Williams | April 29, 2008 12:27 AM
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Posted by: Kseniya | April 29, 2008 12:28 AM
Actually at #85 he said he was a victim of Poe's law. I wasn't sure, that's why I asked if he was serious.
Posted by: JM Inc. | April 29, 2008 12:30 AM
Heh, swastikas... sometimes when I make the coffee in the morning my wife gets a heart with the whip cream, and sometimes she gets the swastika...
BTW, I call Poe's law on #79 ( ISAIAH 62:11 | April 29, 2008 12:10 AM )
Posted by: Robert Thille | April 29, 2008 12:32 AM
Hast thee not gazed in wonderment at the walnut. Thy deep convolutions show this seed be goode to injest for it enhancith intelligence and by its mere size strongly resembleth the Christian brain.
Posted by: mothra | April 29, 2008 12:33 AM
I am a victim of Poe's law.
Posted by: ISAIAH 62:11
Now how can you be a victim when you did this to yourself? You knew what would happen when you drop scripture like droppings from Cloudcuckooland?
Furthermore, can someone please tell me why is it that those people who make a bully pulpit plea to "be more open-minded" are inevitably those people who have welded their own garbage-filled skulls shut?
Maybe JanineID?
Posted by: Stanton
Just what are you asking of me?
Posted by: Janine ID | April 29, 2008 12:33 AM
Uh... I respectfully suggest that, for the next few years, you refrain from playing golf unless the sky is LITERALLY CLOUDLESS.
I offer this advice in the most friendly, concerned, and loving way imaginable.
Posted by: Kseniya | April 29, 2008 12:33 AM