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Category: Weirdness
Posted on: May 9, 2008 9:55 PM, by PZ Myers
Here's a bizarre miscellany.
Well, it's just Wisconsin.
Two people have been arrested after a Juneau County Sheriff's deputy found one of them and her two children living in a home with the body of a 90-year-old woman decomposing on the bathroom toilet.
Tammy D. Lewis, 35, and Alan A. Bushey, 57, both of Necedah are each charged with two felony counts of causing mental harm to a child, according to a criminal complaint filed Friday. Lewis also faces one count of obstructing police.
The body was decaying for two months in their bathroom. How could they do that? It takes religion to be that crazy!
Lewis told the deputy that "God told her Alvina would come back to life if she prayed hard enough." Bushey told the deputy that "Lewis was obedient and served the Lord just as she should."
The 12-year-old boy later told investigators that after Middlesworth died, Bushey told him her appearance "was the result of demons attempting to make it appear that Alvina would not come back to life. The boy also reportedly said that Bushey told him that if Middlesworth's death was discovered, he and his sister would have to go to public school and get jobs because the woman, whom the boy referred to as his "grandmother," was paying the bills.The ICR has put out an enemies list. There are three people on it: Richard Dawkins, Eugenie Scott, and … me! They noticed <sniff> — I'm so touched.
Adnan Oktar, aka Harun Yahya, the notorious Turkish creationist, has been convicted of "creating an illegal organization for personal gain", and has been sentenced to 3 years in a Turkish prison. Hooray! Justice at last!
Comments
Congrats PZ, always nice to be noticed for your good works!!!
Ciao
Posted by: JeffreyD | May 9, 2008 9:59 PM
ICR, I hope you realize that were it not for PZ posting this bit of hilarity, you'd simply be speaking to an empty room (empty tomb?).
We get it. Your kind doesn't like prominent atheists who speak out, just like at one time you didn't like black people that spoke out, or women who spoke out, or gays that spoke out, or any other number of groups marginalized by the idiocy of your belief-based wishful thinking.
Now, how about instead of spending your cash and time on ridiculous pseudoscience you actually do something that befits the character of Jesus - or would that be too selfless and non-entertaining for you?
Posted by: Aegis | May 9, 2008 10:04 PM
The ICR has put out an enemies list.
there's a picture of a chimp at the top of that post.
Is that who wrote the piece?
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 9, 2008 10:08 PM
first Hovind, now Oktar.
a little hope.
it shines on.
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 9, 2008 10:10 PM
Ummm, re #2, Aegis, are your talking to anyone in particular, me for instance. If so, what are you talking about?
Ciao
Posted by: JeffreyD | May 9, 2008 10:11 PM
Strike my #5 above, and Aegis, my apologies, only half read and responded while still in neutral. All better now.
Regards, JeffreyD
Posted by: JeffreyD | May 9, 2008 10:13 PM
# Comment posted by PZ Myers to Pharyngula blog on April 3, 2008, 8:33 a.m.
# Comment posted by PZ Myers to Pharyngula blog on April 2, 2008, 9:14 a.m.
They go through all the trouble of listing the date and time you posted the comments, but they don't bother linking to them? Have they even used the internet?
Posted by: Cody | May 9, 2008 10:14 PM
S/he's talking to the second bullet point on P-Zed's list, JeffreyD.
Posted by: Nentuaby | May 9, 2008 10:14 PM
Phhht! Easily amused. How about this one: The UN is going to make suicide bombing a crime.
Posted by: Dave | May 9, 2008 10:16 PM
Oh no! PZ is a neo-Darwinist! That sounds scary. And evil. And bad.
...wait. What's a neo-Darwinist? I haven't encountered that term in Scientific literature.
Posted by: BoxerShorts | May 9, 2008 10:19 PM
"Puerile"? I think they're just jealous of your youthfulness, PZ. Many of them can no longer remember having hormones (which were probably invented by the devil anyway).
Posted by: Zeno | May 9, 2008 10:24 PM
Hmmm Neo Darwinist PZ needs to change his picture to one with him in jack boots, black uniform with a squid arm band.
Posted by: Bob L | May 9, 2008 10:25 PM
From ICR's page of dumbassery:
"Although using cruder language, Myers basically offers nothing new to the debate. He may state his case more brusquely than other evolutionists, but the argument essentially remains the same--evolution is fact, evolution vs. creationism is a case of science vs. religion, science and religion are anathema to each other, therefore scientific creationism should be banished to the lunatic fringe.
No matter where the evidence leads."
And where exactly does the evidence lead?
Posted by: BoxerShorts | May 9, 2008 10:26 PM
What do you mean, "it's just Wisconsin?"
Shame on you, judging us on the basis of cases like that, and Nick Grunke, and Ed Gein, and Jeffrey Dahmer, and...
Well. We do seem to have a bit of a history of morbidity. :P
Posted by: Feste | May 9, 2008 10:28 PM
You just made my list!
Posted by: James F | May 9, 2008 10:29 PM
Homeschoolers Do Morbid Death Shit in Texas Too...These demented people aren't restricted to just Wisconson anymore...
May 8, 2008, 11:38PM
3 accused of using corpse head to smoke pot
By PEGGY O'HARE
The Kingwood teenager's story of decapitating a corpse and using the
head to smoke marijuana was so outlandish that at first Houston Police
Department senior police officer Jim Adkins did not believe it.
Yet, Kevin Wade Jones Jr., 17, appeared almost indifferent as he
relayed the bizarre description of his and two friends' activities at
an Humble area graveyard, Adkins said.
"I just doubted it because it's very morbid, and I couldn't see
anybody doing something like this," Adkins said Thursday.
Not until police went to the home of another Kingwood 17-year-old,
Matthew Richard Gonzalez, did the officer believe the tale.
"He regurgitated in his plate of food when I asked him about it,"
Adkins said. "So I knew there was some truth to the story."
Now, Jones, Gonzalez and a juvenile whose name has not been released
are each charged with abuse of a corpse, a misdemeanor. All three were
arrested Wednesday night.
Police said a fourth suspect is wanted for questioning.
Houston police believe the teens disturbed the grave of an 11-year-old
boy who died in 1921.
The child was buried at an unmarked cemetery believed to be reserved
for black veterans and their families, Adkins said.
Under the law, a person can be charged with abuse of a corpse simply
by vandalizing, damaging or treating a gravesite offensively ? even if
the human remains buried there are not touched, Adkins said.
The child's skull has not been found. If recovered later, however,
such a discovery will not change the charges filed against the three
suspects, Adkins said.
The teens first came to police's attention during a vehicle burglary
investigation. While being questioned, Jones told of desecrating the
gravesite a month or two ago. Adkins said he believes the tale was
intended to distract police from the vehicle break-in.
Jones claimed he and his friends used shovels to dig up the body and
removed the corpse's head with a garden tool, Adkins said. Jones also
revealed he and the other two boys took the severed head to the
juvenile's home, where they used the skull as a "bong" to smoke
marijuana, the officer said.
Police made three trips to the heavily wooded, snake-infested
graveyard near the Eastex Freeway feeder road and FM 1960 before
finding the disturbed grave several days ago.
"The grave was uncovered, and the headstone had been thrown off the
grave and broken," Adkins said.
Because the grave is flooded with murky water from recent heavy rains,
police have been unable to determine if the child's casket is still in
the ground.
All three teens gave written and verbal confessions admitting they
tried to dig up a body over a two-day period, Adkins said.
But the boys told conflicting stories about whether they actually
severed the head ? so police aren't sure if that gruesome detail
really happened.
Even so, HPD is working closely with Humble police to try and find any
surviving relatives of the child whose grave was disturbed. According
to court papers, the grave belonged to Willie Simms.
"The ultimate goal will be to put this body back to rest," Adkins
said.
Little is known about the graveyard. The Humble Bicentennial Museum
could not confirm that it was reserved for black veterans, but Adkins
said he observed "many, many headstones" for black soldiers killed
during World War I and World War II.
The three boys, all home-schooled, have also been charged in
connection with the vehicle break-in. Jones and the juvenile are
charged with credit card abuse, while Gonzalez pleaded guilty to a
charge of misdemeanor theft between $50 and $500
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/front/5764886.html
Posted by: Jorge666 | May 9, 2008 10:36 PM
What? Ad hominem attacks? By creationists?
Surely not...
I not that they quoted you telling religious people not to let creationists speak for them... sounds kind of counterproductive.
Posted by: wazza | May 9, 2008 10:42 PM
This was just brought to my attention - "academic freedom" wording into the Higher Education Act reauthorization bill:
http://www.nea.org/lac/highered/freedomposition.html
Posted by: James F | May 9, 2008 10:42 PM
Re #16
That story is so far out there I can't even think of a pithy comment. My brain is still trying to grasp the concept.
Interesting they were all homeschooled.
Posted by: Martin | May 9, 2008 10:44 PM
ICR wrote> Many of his postings are surprisingly puerile, often registering on the observational level of a newly-hormonal teenager.
Did they even stop to consider that may be why PZ is so popular? I see they chose to ignore the wicked wit, wry humor, and intelligent commentary. Oh, and the squids too.
"Please Sir, may I have another helping of surprisingly puerile postings?"
I see they chose to ignore the wicked wit, wry humor, and intelligent commentary.
Posted by: The Other Dan from Milwaukee | May 9, 2008 10:46 PM
Yep, it's pretty clear they were causing mental charm to a child. Plus the corpse in the bathroom couldn't have been good for the kids' mental state, either.
Posted by: craig | May 9, 2008 10:57 PM
Is the acronym ICR pronounced "ichor?"
Posted by: craig | May 9, 2008 10:59 PM
I have no comment on the 90 year old dead lady in the bathroom other than, Huh?
I do extend my hardy congratulations on making the ICR list of despicable, god hating people. What the hell are they researching over there if they've already made up their minds? Jeeze.
Posted by: Jeanette Garcia | May 9, 2008 11:02 PM
Knock, knock!
Are you gonna be in there all day?
Some of the rest of us have to go as well!
Posted by: Daniel | May 9, 2008 11:04 PM
We're not all that nuts! Although we do have our share of idiots in Wisconsin.
Madison, the beloved liberal bastion, is as always a place of sanity, however.
And tell Connlann AHA exists! We'd be delighted to see him at meetings. (And we could totally make you the honorary AHA dad.)
Posted by: Katharine | May 9, 2008 11:07 PM
Hmm. Creationist Adnan Oktar getting a jail sentence - what were the odds?
And will we similarly see a biologist facing jail sentence "for creating an illegal organization for personal gain" as regards science? History says "not likely".
Another noticeable thing is that ICR makes so bad arguments for confusing science with atheism (when they can, because in Scott's case they are silent) that they shouldn't have bothered. Nisbet & Mooney will be so disappointed that Dawkins & PZ can tell it as they see it.
Posted by: Torbjörn Larsson, OM | May 9, 2008 11:08 PM
Dagnabbit! It is very rude of the ICR to put together such a short enemies list without a link to an application form. How are the rest of us supposed to get on it now? Huh?
(Mind you, if they were smart, Ben Stein would be on the enemies list too. He is working very hard these days to associate creationism with mind-boggling lunacy in the public eye - nice work Ben!)
I await the cuttlefish's take on this as well as the chastisement of Ichythic by the Chimpanzee Anti-Defamation League for comment #3.
Posted by: JCE | May 9, 2008 11:13 PM
@13 Boxer Shorts:
More fundamental question: WHAT evidence?!
Posted by: Paul Lundgren | May 9, 2008 11:13 PM
PZ, I know you've gotten bizarre/threatening emails before, but this thing bothers me more than most. It IS an enemies list. And given the sort of people attracted to creationism, I could see one of them regarding it as a "call to arms".
Posted by: Taz | May 9, 2008 11:13 PM
I wonder if Oktar ever flew with Captain Oveur?
Does this mean he also likes movies about gladiators?
Posted by: GSG | May 9, 2008 11:14 PM
I could see one of them regarding it as a "call to arms".
it would be worth having Peter Irons take a quick look to see if it meets the requirements for "incitement".
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 9, 2008 11:16 PM
I liked this bit in the ICR's "references" section:
Those creationists, undermining the crediblity of evo-devo one equivocation at a time....
Posted by: Etha Williams | May 9, 2008 11:18 PM
Congratulations on making the "enemies list" Dr. Myers! Good company as well I see. If I recall the last time an enemies list was in fashion was... Nixon's second term? One wonders if Ben Stein is now consulting for all creationists. What next the DI plumbers? At least it is not a Randall Terry style hit list... that might be somewhat disturbing. But as stated in another thread, something you should be aware of and perhaps even taking some precautions.
What most people, even your admirers on this blog, don't actually realize is that in academia, any sort of notoriety is frowned upon by colleagues. One is generally expected to restrain their expressions and views to their specific field and not dabble in the wider public debates. In many cases that kind of constraint is justified because the only plausible motivation is self enrichment. However, in your case, I think it is a different matter altogether. You did not originate the anti-science controversy that is intelligent design creationism, you simply chose to respond to it because to be silent would be to abet the subversion of the pursuit of knowledge.
I don't know why you started your blog in the first place but I am glad that you did. I am glad that there has been a convergence between yourself and other right thinking scientists in your own and other fields.
Science and atheism are separate issues. Since I happen to be an atheist as well as a scientist I can understand how frustrating it can be to have to contend with the narrow minded bigotry of absolutist dog botherers. I think of them as rude children. My advice to them is to grown up. Wishful thinking and fatasies of the all good big daddy in the sky are not going to solve anything. Hard work, hard headed materialistic reasoning, might, just might give our species an edge to overcome the genetic/biological imperative of uncontrolled population growth, which will other wise lead to our early and appropriate, extinction.
"- to strive, to seek, to find, and not to yield."
Ciao,
Posted by: Krubozumo Nyankoye | May 9, 2008 11:20 PM
You just made my list!
LOL
you very likely won't get credit for just how fitting that is.
http://www.colorado.edu/AmStudies/lewis/2010/water.htm
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 9, 2008 11:22 PM
I like how the ICR censored the word "piss" when they quoted you. Hey, if it's good enough for the Bible, why isn't it good enough for the ICR?
Posted by: Wicked Lad | May 9, 2008 11:24 PM
Sure, but we're always trying to stretch the tails of a normal distribution here. We've sent Joe McCarthy and Russ Feingold to the Senate. We have our share of religious lunatics and the Freedom from Religion Foundation.
Of course, 35 years ago, there was an album of old photos with the unusual title of Wisconsin Death Trip that has been honored in unusual ways. Maybe Lewis and Bushey were just trying to honor that book in their own special way.
Posted by: freelunch | May 9, 2008 11:28 PM
PZ shouldn't take this sitting down! He should come up with an enemies list too! And deliberately leave the ICR off of it, just to show how relevant they truly are!
Posted by: Asylum Seeker | May 9, 2008 11:34 PM
Congratulations, PZ!!
This is, without a doubt, the highest form of praise you could ever receive from the nuts at ICR!
Well, except for them actually listening to your arguments and realizing that their myths don't trump reality, but if that actually happened, I'd be forced to reevaluate my position on miracles...
Posted by: Kaerion | May 9, 2008 11:35 PM
wow, how about this for irony from the irc article:
"As was indicated in the October 2007 Acts & Facts, web surfers must be wary of "half-truths and hidden assumptions" on the sites that they visit."
Posted by: Walter | May 9, 2008 11:37 PM
there's a picture of a chimp at the top of that post.
Is that who wrote the piece?
Posted by: Ichthyic
Ichthyic, why do you slander the chimp?
Posted by: Janine ID | May 9, 2008 11:43 PM
ICR Article:
Wow...if this isn't the perfect warning against believing anything from the ICR or Discovery Institute, I don't know what is. They quoted the study that points directly at the sites that offer historically and scientifically unfounded information -- theirs and those like them! Projection, indeed.
Posted by: brokenSoldier | May 9, 2008 11:46 PM
Along a similar vein, in (and only in) Florida, demons will possess you and force you to take off your wife's prosthetic leg:
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/state/sfl-0507prostheticleg,0,6644801.story
Posted by: Jenny | May 9, 2008 11:48 PM
I was just heading here to send a link to the article on the dead woman. Those poor kids...
Posted by: klutz67 | May 9, 2008 11:51 PM
Posted by: Taz | May 9, 2008 11:51 PM
Does that make them "Big Creation"?
Posted by: Monado, FCD | May 9, 2008 11:53 PM
#39, #41
I also love how they cite Acts & Facts as if it were some authoritative source, instead of the ICR's monthly magazine.
Posted by: James F | May 9, 2008 11:54 PM
Congratulations on this latest recognition of your evilness PZ. I think I speak for all of us here when I say "Ia! Ia! Myers ftaghn!"
Posted by: Hematite | May 9, 2008 11:56 PM
As for the corpse in the bathroom, I have only two words to say about that: pension fraud.
Posted by: Monado, FCD | May 9, 2008 11:59 PM
Hey, PZ: You're not still on Nixon's list, are you? Because I think you can only be on one enemies list at a time.
Posted by: UprightAlice | May 9, 2008 11:59 PM
Nice job making the unholy trinity, PZ. Now are you the father, the son, or the wholly smoke?
Bob
Posted by: Bob Carroll | May 10, 2008 12:10 AM
Right - this "enemies list" discussion has put a certain song from a certain Gilbert and Sullivan operetta in my head. I cannot get it out, so I am going to infect others instead. This is a hastily-edited variation(it was a bit shocking to see how many lines I did NOT need to edit (line 7 is the same as the original and still works).
As someday it may happen that a strawman must be found,
As a creationist--one needs a little list
Of society freethinkers who tread on one's sacred ground,
Whose points we must have missed--we make sure all points are missed!
There's the pestilential nuisances who ask for common sense
All people who like logic and the search for evidence--
All children who are up in dates, and floor you with 'em flat--
All persons who in cross-exam, shake your beliefs like _that_--
And all third persons who on spoiling "exposes" insist--
They'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be missed!
CHORUS. Just out them on the list--the vile evolutionist;
For they'll none of 'em be missed--they'll none of 'em be missed.
There's the sarcastic British comic, and the others of his race,
And the neo-Darwinist--I've got him on the list!
And the people who do real research and throw it in your face,
They never would be missed--they never would be missed!
The youtuber dissecting us, with numbers and with words,
Our knowledge of all sciences -(who cares? WE aren't the nerds!);
And the science prof from Morris, who dresses like a squid,
And who "doesn't think God did it, natural selection did";
And that singular anomaly, the lady anthropologist--
I don't think she'd be missed--I'm sure she'd not be missed!
CHORUS. Yet another for the the list-- a science "fundamentalist";
And I don't think she'll be missed--I'm sure
she'll not be missed!
Above all the "Rottweiler" nuisance, who just now is rather rife,
The evil atheist!--I've got him on the list!
All humourists who choose mockery instead of seeking strife--
They'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be missed.
Evolution-touting Christians of a compromising kind,
Such as--What d'ye call him--Thing'em-Ken, and
likewise--Never-mind,
And 'That guy there'and What's-his-name, and also You-know-who--
The task of filling up the blanks I'd rather leave to you.
But it really doesn't matter whom you put upon the list,
For they'd none of 'em be missed--they'd none of 'em be
missed!
CHORUS. You may put 'em on the list--you may put 'em on the list;
And they'll none of 'em be missed--they'll none of 'em be missed!
Original at http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/135.html and elsewhere.
Posted by: JCE | May 10, 2008 12:11 AM
Ichthyic, why do you slander the chimp?
unfair!
who said I thought the article was bad?
OK, OK, even I can't maintain that fallacy.
sorry chimps.
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoID=1360863664
scroll a minute or so in, until you get to the "chimpy child" song
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 10, 2008 12:11 AM
PZ Myers: "The Institute for Creation Research is a treasure trove of sloppy pseudoscience.18"
Seems about right to me. Some things make sense even when quoted out of context.
Posted by: MikeK | May 10, 2008 12:12 AM
Congratulations. You are certainly moving up in the world.
Posted by: Doug | May 10, 2008 12:21 AM
Are Turkish Prisons intelligently designed, or did they spontaneously appear through the hand of Go...Allah?
Maybe he can meet Capt Oveur?
Posted by: Badger3k | May 10, 2008 12:21 AM
"Neo-Darwinists often engage in a frustrating tautology, using the course of evolution to "prove" natural selection--and vice versa."
AGH! My brain. Warn us before you link to this kind of stupid, PZ!
Posted by: Ryan Cunningham | May 10, 2008 12:22 AM
I looked up the Hydra logo (Marvel) - hmm, appropriately squidlike for PZ's uniform?
Posted by: Badger3k | May 10, 2008 12:25 AM
PZ is now the Kirk Cameron of evolution. (I meant that as a compliment.)
Posted by: wrpd | May 10, 2008 12:33 AM
Wow...I clicked through to the Acts & Facts article cited, and now I kind of wish I hadn't. Here's the opening paragraph (in which the half-truths/assumption quote is made):
Well, the ICR is kind of telling the truth. Even something halfway true is anathema to their cause. As for their not-so-hidden assumptions, take this sentence from the article:
The battle rhetoric used throughout the article (they repeatedly refer to "war," "victory," etc) is actually kind of bizarrely frightening. They end with this call to arms:
Posted by: Etha Williams | May 10, 2008 12:36 AM
Comparing PZ to Kirk Cameron can in no way be construed as complimentary. Take that back!
Posted by: John Nelson | May 10, 2008 12:37 AM
The battle rhetoric used throughout the article (they repeatedly refer to "war," "victory," etc) is actually kind of bizarrely frightening.
Onward Christian Soldiers marching as to war...
Wasn't that the themesong of the Jesus Camp?
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 10, 2008 12:40 AM
seriously, how many of us remember the tune, but never really bothered to look at the lyrics critically:
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 10, 2008 12:42 AM
Bobby, have you ever been in a cockpit before?
Bobby, have you ever seen a grown man naked]
bobby, have you ever spent time in a turkish prison?
Posted by: Amplexus | May 10, 2008 1:01 AM
Am I the only one here who read the ICR article and found very little to disagree with besides the tone?
It was like taking a wikipedia article, putting scare quotes in every few words and then leaning back and waiting for the reader to be outraged.
Oh I'm outraged! outraged! And if I dare question the existence of black holes I'm expelled from the Academy!Anyway, congratulations from me too.
Posted by: 74westy | May 10, 2008 1:07 AM
And for those too young for the Airplane! references...
Posted by: Tulse | May 10, 2008 1:08 AM
Turkish prison is serious business. I wouldn't cheer if I heard that Dembski was getting raped, which makes me think twice about Poor Yahya. Good thing he's not publishing anymore, but I wouldn't wish Turkey's prisons on anybody.
Well, maybe except Chinese prisoners.
Posted by: Schwa | May 10, 2008 1:08 AM
@#60 Ichthyic --
Yeah, I was struck by the Jesus Camp-ish overtones of the article too. Maybe just because I'm rewatching JC right now, but still, the similarities are definitely there. It seems like they see all of their antis -- anti-evolution, anti-abortion, anti-homosexual, anti-atheist, anti-Islam -- as one big holy war, whether they happen to be using violence at this stage or not.
Posted by: Etha Williams | May 10, 2008 1:31 AM
Harun Yahya is going to jail. Oh holy day. Three years isn't enough, but maybe he'll get shanked.
Posted by: Grammar RWA | May 10, 2008 1:32 AM
I was browsing around ICR's site and looked at the short list of scientists and faculty. Now, maybe you've already pointed this out but it seemed to me that about half of them (including the founder) are geologists. Who better to know know about how old the Earth really is? Also, who better to NOT know about evolutionary biology and genetics?
Posted by: GOD | May 10, 2008 1:34 AM
as one big holy war, whether they happen to be using violence at this stage or not.
ayup.
and as they get more and more pushed into the "fringe" by the judiciary, science, and let's face it, plain 'ol reality, like a cornered cat, they will become exponentially more dangerous.
It's not necessarily inevitable, but history suggests it's something to be concerned about.
here's how to tell how close they are to going apeshit:
the more they accuse the darwiniofascistatheists of being the ones "militarizing", the closer they are to doing so themselves.
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 10, 2008 1:35 AM
Damn it, Schwa, you've poked my conscience. Maybe it is worse than he deserves. It probably would have been enough to fine him into absolute poverty and then exile him.
Posted by: Grammar RWA | May 10, 2008 1:36 AM
Am I the only one here who read the ICR article and found very little to disagree with besides the tone?
yup.
any other dumb questions?
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 10, 2008 1:37 AM
#67: Oh come on, now, Grammar RWA - that's not very humanist of you. Let's not be hoping for anybody to get knifed in the can (or anywhere else, for that matter). You're gonna make us look like a bunch of religionists.
Posted by: JM Inc. | May 10, 2008 1:39 AM
Beat you to it, JM Inc. It was just my RWA reactionary aggression boiling to the surface for a moment.
I'm off to flog myself for my sinful thoughts now.
Posted by: Grammar RWA | May 10, 2008 1:46 AM
Here's another great passage from the ICR Acts & Facts Internet Battleground article:
Now to a sane, rational person, this would suggest that the Genesis story is wrong. But not to the folks at ICR, who just see it as another call to arms in their brave battle for the Truth. Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Posted by: Etha Williams | May 10, 2008 1:52 AM
A Neo-Darwinist is one who displays exceptional abilities in cyberspace. Clearly, PZ qualifies, as this ICR endorsement demonstrates.
The ICR, on the other hand, displays a penchant for mediocre rhetoric, and an outstanding dedication to the care and feeding of its
pet peevepersecution complex.Posted by: Kseniya | May 10, 2008 1:57 AM
Hey guys wanna play a fun game? It's called bomb the creationist thread with logic. Here's the creationist thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2012749/posts
Posted by: Let's play a game! | May 10, 2008 2:05 AM
Yup, Etha, they've started with the conclusion, and always work backwards, distorting or ignoring whatever doesn't fit - and then have the vertigo-inducing nerve to grouse about evolutionists drawing evolutionary conclusions "no matter where the evidence leads."
Gotta love it. Medieval ostriches, all of them.
Posted by: Kseniya | May 10, 2008 2:06 AM
@76:
It's the freerepublic, home to the biggest losers in all of teh intarwebs.
what did you expect?
It's like asking us to go and comment on Uncommonly Dense.
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 10, 2008 2:10 AM
Talk about praising with faint with damnation.
Posted by: McLir | May 10, 2008 2:15 AM
Meh... I looked over there. It's too depressing. Take this quote, for example:
And that was from one of the pro-evo commenters. Sigh.
(Either he's never seen a woman naked, or all the women he knows have beards...)
Posted by: Kseniya | May 10, 2008 2:19 AM
Clearly we need to go in and crash the thread! Remember cite your sources! Creationists hate it when you do that!
Posted by: Let's play a game! | May 10, 2008 2:25 AM
public hair
freudian slip?
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 10, 2008 2:30 AM
Wot? Prof. Steve Steve didn't make the list?!?
Posted by: minusRusty | May 10, 2008 3:03 AM
The trouble with being overly fond of quote-mining is that it can always come back to bite you on the Dembski.
From the ICR article;
"The Institute for Creation Research is a treasure trove of sloppy pseudoscience."
Posted by: Sigmund | May 10, 2008 3:06 AM
I think we have in this list prima facie evidence that the capital H on the ICR's keyboard is broken. Why else would they have excluded Harris and Hitchens?
Posted by: Peter Ashby | May 10, 2008 3:15 AM
They are right to consider Richard Dawkins to be an enemy. Here are the reasons, for everyone to see:
Here is how Richard Dawkins was transformed from a God-fearing man into the world's first super-atheist:
"Richard Dawkins: The Movie (Part One)"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ECh1EnHBTos
Here is evidence that "Militant Atheist" is no longer a figure of speech:
"What Richard Dawkins doesn't want you to know ..."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TqcNraF3vP8
Is PZ involved?
Posted by: Barry Pearson | May 10, 2008 4:09 AM
I always loved reading about the creation researchers mounting expeditions to Mount Arrarat to find Noah's arc. What ever happened to that evidence?
NOTE TO SELF; creobots don't look at evidence, they don't even know what the word means, so don't bother trying to point it out to them, it will just drive you crazy.
Posted by: dan | May 10, 2008 4:14 AM
"Richard Dawkins: The Movie (Part One)"
LOL
love the helmet.
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 10, 2008 4:18 AM
I do hope the charges against the Harun Yahya guy are more substantial than that article make them sound. His fans legitimately