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The stupid, it burns
Category: Religion • Stupidity
Posted on: May 2, 2008 8:34 AM, by PZ Myers
Oh, no … I mentioned the existence of godtube the other day, and now people are farming it for incredibly stupid videos that they send to me. It's rich soil for stupid over there, and they've got a bumper crop — you would not believe how awful some of their arguments are.
I hesitate to mention this one because I know it's going to trigger yet more bad videos in my in-box, but it is so bad, so crazy, that I have to share it. This one claims that Food Patterns of our Body Proof for Intelligent Design, and, well, you have to see it. It starts with the claim that a sliced carrot looks like a human eye, and carrots are good for your eyes, and just goes downhill from there — tomatoes are red and have chambers, just like the heart, walnuts look like brains, kidney beans look like kidneys, etc.
I think the creator must be a virgin. He also claims that citrus fruits look just like human mammary glands.
Comments
No! I refuse to believe it! Someone's tried to Sokal the site with this video... surely?!
Has this guy ever heard of 'domesticated plants'?!
Posted by: Stuart Ritchie | May 2, 2008 8:43 AM
That was a damn fine pair of mammary glands.
Posted by: Atticus | May 2, 2008 8:43 AM
http://www.snopes.com/food/ingredient/carrots.asp
This is more wrongerer than you thought.
Posted by: Giford | May 2, 2008 8:47 AM
If got wanted us all to eat tomatoes to benefit our hearts why didn't she/it arrange for us to evolve in the Americas where the tomatoes were?
Posted by: maureen | May 2, 2008 8:47 AM
Too sad...
Posted by: Cliff | May 2, 2008 8:48 AM
Ye gods... they really are stuck in the Dark Ages. What an incredibly inane example of the Doctrine of Signatures.
I pity these people, sometimes, I truly do. It must be very hard to be this dumb.
Posted by: Dana Hunter | May 2, 2008 8:49 AM
They left out cucumbers and peaches.
Posted by: Wes | May 2, 2008 8:50 AM
They got one thing right: I bet an autopsy to the author of this video would show show his brain to be EXACTLY like a nut.
As for the oranges, LOL, this guy must have some serious Freudian issues.
Posted by: allkom | May 2, 2008 8:55 AM
And by these analogies we should also be able to infer that the three leaves of poison ivy represent the trinity, marijuana increases your manual dexterity by virtue of it's palmate shape and Wonder bread gives you the ability to leap tall buildings in a single bound. I love modern magical thinking. What's next? Wal-mart is actually an interdimensional teleportation device that links you to every other Wal-mart in the country if you arrange the products on the shelves in the analogous order?
Posted by: LARA | May 2, 2008 8:55 AM
[Rainier Wolfcastle]
Arrggh! The goggles! They do nothing!
Posted by: Dan | May 2, 2008 8:55 AM
I am signifigantly more stupid for having watched that.
Posted by: Tyler | May 2, 2008 8:57 AM
Finally, an appropriate use for Enya.
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | May 2, 2008 8:58 AM
So it appears that creation scientists have discovered sympathetic magic.
For God's sake we mustn't let them use it to get their hands on our precious cargo.
Posted by: Escuerd | May 2, 2008 9:00 AM
And Christian women every race to the store to buy melons...
Posted by: Theodore | May 2, 2008 9:02 AM
#12 wins the thread. :D
Posted by: NC Paul | May 2, 2008 9:03 AM
"Woman who eat 1 avocado a week, have balanced hormones, shed unwanted weight and prevent cervical cancers"
What were they saying about "the Chinese" at the beginning of the video? I hope this wasn't just a buildup to one of those terrible "Confucius say" jokes.
Posted by: Escuerd | May 2, 2008 9:03 AM
I see the pattern-seeking mammals are at it again.
I think I spot the problem our God Tuber has with meeting women. Telling them their breast look like knobnly ole oranges is not the way to go.
You eyes are like carrots isn't likely to have the desired effect either.
Posted by: Ygern | May 2, 2008 9:04 AM
1) This sounds a lot more like new-age nutribollocks than oldfangled godbollocks.
2) 23% sodium in celery?!! And bones?! By what metric?
3) I couldn't help but notice the distinct lack of mammary glands for convenient comparison.
Posted by: Sili | May 2, 2008 9:05 AM
Oh no, they've caught everyone in the crushing grip of reason!
Excuse me, I think I need to go shout at a wall for a while...
Posted by: SamD | May 2, 2008 9:06 AM
Do we dare mention that huevos, the Spanish word for eggs, is also a Hispanic slang term for testicles?
Posted by: Aquaria | May 2, 2008 9:08 AM
It's strange that there's no mention of the banana. How do they expect me to take this seriously if there's no fucking banana involved?
Posted by: Dan | May 2, 2008 9:08 AM
And meat looks like muscle tissue and guess what, protein is good for your muscles.
Posted by: Cappy | May 2, 2008 9:08 AM
This means, of course, that all fruit and veggies need to be separated by gender. No more oranges for you, boys! Girls-- keep your mouth off the cucumbers! J-Lo, put that pumpkin down!
Posted by: DaveX | May 2, 2008 9:10 AM
That's fantastic! What a magnificent load of old bollocks.
This has to be a Poe's Law job, shirley?
To be a little fair though, I think they perhaps meant the citrus fruit looked like the milk ducts, which they do. A bit. If you squint. And are a bit mental.
Posted by: BaldySlaphead | May 2, 2008 9:11 AM
Would long thick cucumbers replace Viagra?
Posted by: tsig | May 2, 2008 9:11 AM
@17
Surprisingly, 110g of Celery contains about 90mg of sodium.
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20ce.html
Posted by: Chris | May 2, 2008 9:11 AM
I thought carrots resembled a different part of the anatomy.
The video producer must suffer from Lorena Bobbit syndrome.
Posted by: Krystalline Apostate | May 2, 2008 9:12 AM
Trippy... Um, I mean, Jeebus rules!
Posted by: s1mplex | May 2, 2008 9:13 AM
WOW, I can not belief my carrots... I mean eyes.
I would have never believed that someone could make something so stupid if I hadnt acually seen it. Well on the other hand it was very educational, when I need to show someone what the inside of a woman's breast looks like all I need to do is cut an orange in half.
Posted by: radek | May 2, 2008 9:13 AM
Posted by: smadin | May 2, 2008 9:13 AM
I liked the onions look like "body" cells part.
Me: Which cells are those exactly? What is their function?
Fool: Bodying, of course.
Me: Of course... (Pats the fool's head)
Posted by: Andrew | May 2, 2008 9:17 AM
peau d'orange = magnificent mammaries??
Don't let Orac see that, he'll stroke out.
fusilier, who almost did
James 2:24
Posted by: fusilier | May 2, 2008 9:21 AM
I noticed comments on godtube don't post immediately, do they verify and approve every post?
I said on my post citrus never reminded me of mammaries, casaba melons, yes citrus no.
Would that be considered offensive?
Posted by: Pete-O | May 2, 2008 9:23 AM
Damn! That was beyond excellent! Seldom have I so enjoyed the pure essence of nonsense. And ... I'm not kidding here, folks ... I can see in my mind's eye the solemn head-nodding and pursed lips of the true believers who see this video and murmur, "Oh, so true! So true! That's brilliant!"
Of course, that part is just sad.
Posted by: Zeno | May 2, 2008 9:25 AM
#17 stole my major complaint. Citrus=boobs? Forgive me, but: Pics nao!
These people the bar set disturbingly low where proof is concerned. I bet I could convince them that the sum of any two integers is 10. "Think about it guys. 1+9=10. 2+8=10. 3+7=10. Even -15+25=10 It just doesn't stop!"
Posted by: Scott | May 2, 2008 9:27 AM
Once again I am reminded why the founding fathers included an electoral college. People are just too fucking stupid to directly choose their leaders (for independent verification see the last two presidential elections). Sadly, the electoral college is now run by sycophants and cronies so it doesn't much help us.
Posted by: Lorax | May 2, 2008 9:28 AM
The "sweet potatoes" he uses in the video are actually yams (common mixup), which can be toxic. Actual sweet potatoes are rounder and less pancreas-like. God, you tricky dick.
Posted by: deerjackal | May 2, 2008 9:28 AM
So if they look like citrus fruits, how come boobs feel like bags of sand? That's what they feel like, right? Bags of sand? Right?
Posted by: Milo Johnson | May 2, 2008 9:30 AM
smadin beat me to the link! That was the first thing I thought of, too.
Well, I've been having some liver trouble lately, so I think I'll go eat a bunch of Hepatica that I've noticed is in bloom now. That will work, right?
Posted by: Carlie | May 2, 2008 9:30 AM
Blackadder's man-servant, Baldrick, had a turnip shaped like a thingy.
Posted by: SJB | May 2, 2008 9:32 AM
Don't get the celery wet!
Posted by: Sunny | May 2, 2008 9:33 AM
At #37 - he7 Carlie, all you have to do is just disolve the Hepatica into some water, then dilute that solution until there's no Hepatica in there at all and *then* take it - that will definitely work; Jeebus and homeopathy.
Posted by: BaldySlaphead | May 2, 2008 9:34 AM
Walnuts might be like creationists' brains in size and usefulness. Leave the rest of us out of it.
Posted by: Peter Mc | May 2, 2008 9:36 AM
Personally I find the argument that creationists' brains are the size of walnuts oddly compelling.
Posted by: craig | May 2, 2008 9:36 AM
Tobacco leaves look a bit like lungs...
Posted by: randytoad | May 2, 2008 9:37 AM
I don't know anything much about the health benefits of foods, but I looked up an article or two on kidney beans. Not only did none mention them helping to maintain kidney function, one mentioned that they contain a moderately high level of purines, which lead to kidney stones. So if this is true, EPIC FAIL!
But then you can't trust all you read on the internet, does anyone know anything much on the subject?
Posted by: Gobaskof | May 2, 2008 9:37 AM
Baldyslaphead@#40: So that's how they invented ID: Dissolve Cretinism-- sorry, Creationism-- into pseudotreknobabble, then dilute until there's no trace of Jebusons.
Quick, more dilution!
Posted by: Notkieran | May 2, 2008 9:38 AM
Celery is green.
Bones are not.
Posted by: Shevek | May 2, 2008 9:40 AM
Maybe I'm not picking up the right message, eat avocados if you want twins (like Remus and Romulus?) and onions make you cry so you know that you just wasted three minutes watching one of the stupidist arguments from analogy?
wait, damn, I think I'm missing it.
Oranges look like cellulite and that's the curse of Eve?
Posted by: Hypatia's Girl | May 2, 2008 9:41 AM
That's what they feel like, right? Bags of sand? Right?
Sushi rice in balloons (baggies have corners that can poke) makes pretty good boobs if you're dressing up for a night on the town :)
Posted by: MAJeff, OM | May 2, 2008 9:42 AM
"It starts with the claim that a sliced carrot looks like a human eye, and carrots are good for your eyes,"
They just described sympathetic magic. They really want to bring back alchemy.
Posted by: Bob L | May 2, 2008 9:44 AM
FYI for those interested, the founder of GodTube is none other than our old friend Chris Wyatt of Conservapedia fame.
Posted by: The Science Pundit | May 2, 2008 9:45 AM
@ 29's orangina ad: Is that what Dr. Moreau really intended?
Posted by: mkuriluk | May 2, 2008 9:45 AM
I came here for the Doctrine of Signatures and I was not disappointed. Well done, Internet!
Posted by: Luis | May 2, 2008 9:46 AM
"The pupil, iris, and radiating lines look just like the human eye"
A human eye looks just like a human eye! Proof of God!
Oh. My. Squid.
Posted by: The Puzzled Ibex | May 2, 2008 9:48 AM
"the cervix and womb of the female"
Isn't that a little redundant? Is "of the female" a necessary clarification for God Tube users?
Posted by: The Puzzled Ibex | May 2, 2008 9:51 AM
If nothing else, this started my day with a good laugh. Not at the video - at the comments that accompanied it. Well, maybe a little at the video.
Posted by: april | May 2, 2008 9:51 AM
Re #34 Once again I am reminded why the founding fathers included an electoral college. People are just too fucking stupid to directly choose their leaders (for independent verification see the last two presidential elections). - Lorax
No, they included it so the rich could fix elections. Worth pointing out that if Presidential elections went by the popular vote, GWB would never have become president?
Posted by: Nick Gotts | May 2, 2008 9:51 AM
omg, my crap is the color of the wooden cross! I am now convinced! Sorry FSM, Jesus is my boy now. He has the evidence.
Posted by: DB | May 2, 2008 9:51 AM
did anyone else notice that for every other body part, the movie notes how the aforementioned food is supposed to help the body... but for the grapefruit it simply noted a resemblance and left it at that? clearly, someone was distracted by something...
Posted by: Carnife | May 2, 2008 9:54 AM
Shudder.
No, that's all: just shudder.
Posted by: mikespeir | May 2, 2008 9:54 AM
I looked up an article or two on kidney beans. Not only did none mention them helping to maintain kidney function, one mentioned that they contain a moderately high level of purines, which lead to kidney stones. - Gobaskov
Well, precisely! They're shaped like kidneys to warn you they can cause damage to your kidneys!
Posted by: Nick Gotts | May 2, 2008 9:55 AM
If sliced carrots look like eyes, then slicing your eyeballs will make them work better.
I think slicing the carrots is cheating.
I can carve a potato into the shape of a dick, should I post a video to Godtube about that miracle?
Posted by: craig | May 2, 2008 9:58 AM
I have a sudden craving for asparagus.
Posted by: Niobe | May 2, 2008 9:58 AM
"Onions look like body cells"
This made my morning.
Posted by: PAP | May 2, 2008 9:59 AM
Citrus fruit does kinda look like some human mammaries, they just left out the sock. Small oranges in socks.
Posted by: craig | May 2, 2008 10:00 AM
I need to get me down to the Piggly Wiggly grocery for some fruits and veggies. Maybe I'll throw in a kielbasa, too.
Posted by: Mango | May 2, 2008 10:00 AM
Everyone knows a carrot looks like a penis!
(or is it just mine)
Posted by: Simon | May 2, 2008 10:04 AM
Well, oranges are nice and all, and if she's got a nice attitude and is smart, I'm sure I could be quite happy.
Unfortunately, I'm more of a grapefruit man myself.
Posted by: Dan | May 2, 2008 10:06 AM
ROFLMAO
As some one with a nutrition background I found the movie funny. A good way to start the day. Where did they get their science information from?
It is almost worth keeping to use as a class quiz. A "What is wrong with the nutrition here?" quiz.
Unfortunately, people will believe.
Posted by: Lab Cat | May 2, 2008 10:07 AM
Imagine the fun these people could have with ginseng root.
But I wanna know how durian matches with human anatomy.
Posted by: Duncan | May 2, 2008 10:08 AM
#36, that's exactly what I was thinking. Me so horny? Me so stupid!
Posted by: kamao | May 2, 2008 10:09 AM
[humor]
I'm convinced, goddidit.
[/humor]
Posted by: IgnorantAtheist | May 2, 2008 10:14 AM
I've often fretted needlessly
over which whole foods to eat
Should I indulge in eggplant?
do kumquats better meat?
But now I know the simple truth
is writ large in the shape
of every fruit and vegetable -
god's plan leaves me agape!
If ever my heart ails me,
as oft the case has been,
I promptly eat tomatoes
whose form means lycopene
And carrots for the eyeballs
and oranges for the chest,
and perhaps a little Enya
to comfortably digest (gag)
Bananas are important, too
they fit right in your hand
and masturbation's part of god's
celestial whole food plan
But cherries, ah those cherries
truly from heaven are sent -
When picked, they look exactly like
a creationist argument
Posted by: ennui | May 2, 2008 10:19 AM
So, once these new laws are passed which allow teachers and students to use "alternate" theories in science, will this be used to provide answers to tests?
If not, then why? It is an alternate "theory" right?
Posted by: pleco | May 2, 2008 10:19 AM
@ #22
Don't you think they'd be more concerned about girls eating peaches and boys eating cucumbers?
As always, though, XKCD is ahead of the game.
Posted by: Ranson | May 2, 2008 10:19 AM
OK still at crappy sites on the net so don't trust any of this without verification.
Can't find much linking celery to bones. Celery also contains 100 mg of sodium per cup, and a cup of celery weighs over 1/2 a gram, so the 23% figure is bollocks.
The sweet potatoes and pancreas link also seems to be fairly week, but I may have missed some things. There is a study of sweet potatoes causing pancreatic enlargement, but I don't know if that is a good or a bad thing, also it may be to do with impurities not the sweet potato itself.
Avocado claims equally thin apart from one mention of it helping cancer in general.
I would contest the citrus fruit looks like female mammary glands, but I have only ever seen the outside, could be very citrus like in there for all I know!
Again do onions really look like body cells? I can't find to much on their benefit for body cells. Also I thought onions made you cry because they were producing sulphuric acid in them, that is good? Cheers God!
Also as noted before by others, the carrots - eyesight link is also crap.
Well I think I spent way to long researching this video's claims, but what do you expect me to do when lectures end and "revision starts".
Posted by: Gobaskof | May 2, 2008 10:20 AM
Not only that, but it was the only food mentioned that did not provide an explicit health benefit for the organ compared. I thought the whole point of the piece (and the general Doctrine of Signatures) was that outward appearance suggests use -- how are oranges good for breasts?
And like some others have suggested, it was always my impression that sympathetic magic and the Doctrine of Signatures were decidedly pagan notions.
Posted by: Tulse | May 2, 2008 10:26 AM
This is old news. "Doctors" have been using the "god made it look like what it cures" method for prescribing remedies since the Dark Ages (and probably longer, but that's as far as my interests go). It was common practise to give poisonous mushrooms out to people with headaches because the tops of mushrooms look like heads - therefore, they cure headaches. The patients who survived the poisoning didn't worry about their headaches so much (CURE) and those who died obviously had demons or something and the doctor just wasn't able to get to them in time (would have been cured, but didn't PRAY hard enough!).
Am I the only one who finds the resurgence of Medieval medical practises incredibly frightening? Does someone need to remind the nutty brand of Christians that people didn't live that long in the Middle Ages? And the time that they did live, they were riddled with leprosy, boils, skin rashes, and all sorts of other nasty diseases?
Posted by: Grimalkin | May 2, 2008 10:26 AM
Ouch. I just sliced my eyeball and it looks nothing like a carrot!
Avocados, from: http://www.crfg.org/pubs/ff/avocado.html
"Mexican types ripen in 6 - 8 months from bloom while Guatemalan types usually take 12 - 18 months."
So, if you eat avocados, you may give birth prematurely or... well, you better hope you give birth prematurely!
If you eat potatoes you will crap a lot.
The quote at the end initially gives the impression the whole text was quoted from David Bjerklie.
And if the Chinese were the ones to work all this out, why would we adopt Creationism? Surely we'd go with Taoism or Buddhism or something, wouldn't we?
What really caught my attention though, was that science shows how carrots are good for the eyes. Armed with that bit of scientific education, I'm off to do some killing.
Posted by: AndyD | May 2, 2008 10:29 AM
Oh, and as for the carrot-eyesight link, that's 100% true. When I was a kid, my mom gave me an argument that I have never been able to refute. She said "we know carrots are good for your eyes because rabbits eat carrots. You've never seen a rabbit with glasses, have you?"
There you go. Proof positive.
Posted by: Grimalkin | May 2, 2008 10:29 AM
"I can't believe my carrots-- I mean eyes"
FTW - I lol'd
Posted by: bunnycatch3r | May 2, 2008 10:32 AM
I'm wondering what their logic about the benefits of Kiwi fruit is.
Posted by: Mena | May 2, 2008 10:33 AM
The website responsible for this illuminating video, www.blowthetrumpet.org is worth visiting.
It is a super concentrate of everything which scares the shit out of me with America's descent into the Evangelical "End of Times" Paranoia.
This kind of website shows to me, seen from Europe, that some people in America are really going completely bezerk.
And this might be a problem in the future for the whole world.
Posted by: negentropyeater | May 2, 2008 10:33 AM
That video also reminds me of the blatant falshoods written on the chalkboards in 'Strangers With Candy'.
I would love to see a parody video of this thing where someone makes up shit so completely absurd that these people will be forced to believe it using their god-logic.
Posted by: Duncan | May 2, 2008 10:36 AM
It's not even NEW stupidity: the idea's been around for some 1500 years now. The idea that everything in the world had been "stamped" by God with some clue to its use by humans has been around since early Christianity. If a plant had leaves shaped like, say, hearts, that was a sign that it would be good for heart complaints.
Note, too, that this ancient idea is actually BETTER than ID in that it leads to testable hypotheses. They just happen to be wrong.
What WILL the fundies discover next? The four bodily humours?
Posted by: Nicole the Wonder Nerd | May 2, 2008 10:37 AM
For anyone who wants to know. This is what schizophrenia looks like.
So Dave, what is your conspiracy theory and what groups are secretly after you?
Posted by: raven | May 2, 2008 10:39 AM
PZ--
Could you just go ahead and Dungeonize that "david mabus" idiot? He's been spamming the same crap all across the skeptical interwebs, and is obviously not interested in any kind of relevant discussion.
Posted by: Ranson | May 2, 2008 10:41 AM
Hi David Mabus! We're so glad you came to this site! It's about time someone pointed out how 'science' gets it wrong, EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
I'd like to hear more about how you completely pwned that dooshbag Randi and made him run away from his bogus challenge. Please tell us more!!!
Posted by: Duncan | May 2, 2008 10:42 AM
@ #76
Rabbits also eat there own poop. Now you know what you have to do to preserve your eyesight.
Posted by: The Science Pundit | May 2, 2008 10:43 AM
@#20 Dan --
Personally, *I* don't understand how they expect me to take this seriously if there's no banana fucking involved.
Come on guys...surely you realize the other use God intended for the banana?
Posted by: Etha Williams | May 2, 2008 10:45 AM
There was a great deal of debunking of this in this thread:
http://www.atheistthinktank.net/thinktank/index.php?topic=2209.0
Not to say that you guys haven't done a crapload (Has anyone noticed that Baby Ruth candy bars look like crap? Jebus is so awesome!) of debunking already.
Posted by: Bunk | May 2, 2008 10:46 AM
I would love to see a parody video of this thing where someone makes up shit so completely absurd that these people will be forced to believe it using their god-logic.
Hasn't that already happened, over and over? Starting with the bible?
Posted by: Marcus Ranum | May 2, 2008 10:48 AM
David Mabus writes:
where is my MILLION DOLLARS, you LITTLE *NO-NAME* FRAUD
Gone off our meds again, have we?
Posted by: Marcus Ranum | May 2, 2008 10:50 AM
@#81 Duncan --
Not exactly the same thing, but I want to try to publish a paper in a creation "science" journal. Something along the lines of, "The Pentacost Hypothesis: Internalization of the Holy Spirit through Laminin-Mediated Endocytosis" With lots of fake data, and some sections with just "data not shown."
Posted by: Etha Williams | May 2, 2008 10:52 AM
All of these fruits are grown in different parts of the world, and before the modern age were not accessible to other cultures. Tomatoes and oranges, for example, would not have been available in Israel 2000 years ago, causing massive heart and breast failure for centuries.
So does this actually constitute divine punishment?
Posted by: Lee Drake | May 2, 2008 10:53 AM
Guys, I need some help in working out how the following may be beneficial:
http://crazy-frankenstein.com/crazy-vegetables-pictures.html
Posted by: BaldySlaphead | May 2, 2008 10:54 AM
Is it me or does thier diagram of the heart have an issue with its septum? I guess this would explain the messed up blood fow.
Posted by: Sean | May 2, 2008 10:55 AM
Etha Williams - I wonder what Ray Comfort would say about that. He seems to *really* enjoy his bananas ("ooooh, they fit so niiicely in my haaand, mmm").
God certainly does work in mysterious ways!
Posted by: Grimalkin | May 2, 2008 10:57 AM
I'm reminded of New Guinea tribesmen who believe that the white sap of certain plants will replenish their semen. They have a number of strange beliefs regarding semen acquisition and transfer.
Traditional Chinese Medicine attributes potency-enhancing properties to rhino horn and ginseng root based on the same 'logic.' Cultural anthropologists have cataloged many such examples of the pre-scientific principle of similarities.
I once saw a TV diet guru telling viewers that since cheese was soft it will make your body soft, so you should instead eat firm fruits and vegetables.
Posted by: Colugo | May 2, 2008 10:59 AM
"massive heart and breast failure"
Besides cancer, or course, what constitutes 'breast failure'? It seems that those are one of the few things that god got right!
(Oh, and where would Solanum mammosum fit into that video?)
Posted by: Duncan | May 2, 2008 11:00 AM
Hehehe... "david mabus" reminded me of the timecube. Poor little troll, crawl back to the ignorance infested sites whence you came.
Posted by: Lumin | May 2, 2008 11:01 AM
Ok, I apologize for goading Mabus on. All in favor of having PZ shitcan that idiot?
Posted by: Duncan | May 2, 2008 11:04 AM
Hey, that last one wasn't even a copy/paste! Maybe he took half a pill or something.
Posted by: Ranson | May 2, 2008 11:05 AM