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Posted on: May 3, 2008 8:09 AM, by PZ Myers
Did you all catch Keith Olbermann's Worst Person in the World segment? Ben Stein almost made the top of the list — he was beaten by Ann Coulter, though, so the competition was fierce.
The other "almost"…what prompted the nomination was Stein's claim that listening to me reminded him that science is all about killing people. Alas, Olbermann only mentioned me as a generic scientist, not by name. Oh, well.
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Was that generic in the Aristotelean sense, or generic in the genetic sense, or just plain generic?
Posted by: Brian English | May 3, 2008 8:26 AM
Oh I get it, it's generic in the geriatric sense. :)
Posted by: Brian English | May 3, 2008 8:30 AM
I just *knew* you were behind the bridge collapse. Bad, bad scientist!
Posted by: danley | May 3, 2008 8:35 AM
Panda's Thumb links to an article in Forbes by Benny. He talks about how to ruin America. The last point,
"12) Elevate mysticism, tribalism, shamanism and fundamentalism--and be sure to exclude educated, hardworking men and women--to an equal status with technology in the public mind. Make sure that, in order to pay proper (and politically correct) respect to all different ethnic groups in America, you act as if science were on an equal footing with voodoo and history with ethnic fable."
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2002/1223/225_print.html
Posted by: bernarda | May 3, 2008 8:37 AM
Who would have thunk it, three right wing crazies lying or making shit up, again.
Posted by: John Phillips, FCD | May 3, 2008 8:37 AM
@#4 bernarda --
Wow. That's...both hilarious and depressing. And just reinforces my suspicion that Stein knows exactly what a load of shit ID is, what a load of shit "equal time" is, etc, but only really cares about the opportunity to make a quick buck and get the automatic adoration of a large subsegment of the population (religious right).
Posted by: Etha Williams | May 3, 2008 8:44 AM
@bernarda: From the tone of the article one might assume he was issuing a warning about what could or was happening. However, I didn't realise that this was actually his own plan to destroy the US starting with his promotion of Point 12.
Posted by: John Phillips, FCD | May 3, 2008 8:51 AM
Ah, the Coulter-Steins--The ideal couple for putting paid to eugenics- let's raise a dowry Ben cannot refuse, and stomp out to attend Expelled in numbers so Oscar worthy that Anne will swoon at the thought of tying the knot.
Surely God wants it so--
http://adamant.typepad.com/seitz/2008/05/evo-devo-at-the.html
Posted by: Russell | May 3, 2008 9:17 AM
This movie is the best thing that ever happened for our cause. Imagine how much more difficult it would have been to confront a more balanced approach to the issue (assuming they could have come up with one....). The biggest mistake that Ben made when doing this movie (or the producer) is tying ID to the KJV Bible. It is clear from Stein's interviews (I have only seen snippets of the actual film) that this whole exercise was nothing more than an attempt to replace science with THEIR god.
This has proved a disastrous strategy for them in the past. The idea that they would, post Dover, be so sloppy, seems to negate any 'intelligent design' in their organization.
Enjoy.
Posted by: Tim Fuller | May 3, 2008 9:41 AM
As much as I like the theory, Russell, the thought of either of them reproducing is just icky. Indeed, just doing things that might lead to reproduction is not something I want to associate them with.
It's not like this is exactly news, either; I heard about it from at least three sciencebloggers AND rationalwiki.
Posted by: wazza | May 3, 2008 9:52 AM
Ben Stein wrote "Make sure that, in order to pay proper (and politically correct) respect to all different ethnic groups in America, you act as if science were on an equal footing with voodoo and history with ethnic fable."
This stunned me as well, till I read it over again. Stein's target doesn't seem to be anti-science advocates as such. He's upset over why they want to change science -- to accomodate ethnic minorities, and be "sensitive" to their feelings.
Christians are the majority. They don't have voodoo and fables. They just want REAL science taught in the classrooms.
Of course, he's still incredibly hypocritical any way you look at it -- playing the very victim card he pretends to despise.
Posted by: Sastra | May 3, 2008 10:59 AM
Two more almosts - I flew over northern Minnesota twice last week on my way to Brtiish Columbia and back, and thanks to the little LCD "live" route map on the back of the next seat, I knew when I was almost flying over Morris, MN and the Myers household.
Posted by: Monado, FCD | May 3, 2008 11:01 AM
Ben Stein's flick isn't doing very well. Forgive me if I toot my own horn here, but I think I'm the first to blog this news: Expelled -- Dropped by Hundreds of Theaters.
Posted by: PatrickHenry | May 3, 2008 11:01 AM
@#11 Sastra --
This was my initial thought, but then there's this part at the beginning of the statement:
Elevate mysticism, tribalism, shamanism and fundamentalism
(Emphasis mine)
...so I just don't know anymore.
Posted by: Etha Williams | May 3, 2008 11:02 AM
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2002/1223/225_print.html
Ben Stein:
"Academic freedom..."
"Science leads you to killing people"
"It doesn't matter what courts say..."
"There's more nonsense spoken at Universities..."
"Intelligent design..."
Couple that with "the collapse of Bear Stearns was a conspiracy of traders" and clearly Ben is working to "Ruin American Enterprise". There must be a worldwide conspiracy of Steins, one man couldn't come up with stuff like that on his own.
Posted by: Quidam | May 3, 2008 11:29 AM
There have been a number of attacks on Stein, ID and Expelled on prime time TV this week.
Posted by: Greg Laden | May 3, 2008 11:48 AM
Couple that with "the collapse of Bear Stearns was a conspiracy of traders" and clearly Ben is working to "Ruin American Enterprise".
And last Summer, Stein was encouraging people to invest in companies like Bear Stearns. I personally heard him do so on one of those financial talking-heads shows.
Had you taken Stein's advice and run with it, you would have bought Bear-Stearns, Citigroup etc. on margin!
The guy is a true polyhack!
Posted by: caerbannog | May 3, 2008 11:54 AM
Straying off topic here a little bit: Anyone catch how the star tribune is "Ultra liberal" LMAO!
On topic, I don't think Ben's flick was covered enough. "Last time my people saw a scientist . . ." It's amazing how the blabbering creationists go off about the horrors of science when science has given so much to them. If everyone with a rational mind just left the US, I'd give it 10 years before it'd turn up being a theocratic third world country.
Posted by: Ouchimoo | May 3, 2008 11:57 AM
I think Sastra is correct. Right wing ideologues do not view themselves as connected to mysticism, tribalism, or shamanism. And I don't think Stein considers himself to be a fundamentalist. But it's the disconnect from reality, from history, that you're seeing.
It's always the "other" that is the problem. For them, Christianity and Judaism have no relation to tribalism or to mysticism. Voodoo is mysticism, rising from the dead, global floods and a triune god is civilized and common sense science. And the fundamentalism they're talking about is the kind that Atheists (I know) and Muslims do. Like "removing" prayer from school, teaching "fables" like evolution and killing innocent Christians.
Remember, evidence means nothing to them. They know the truth already. Anything that challenges that truth is wrong automatically.
Posted by: eewolf | May 3, 2008 12:12 PM
People are still paying attention to Ann Coulter? I had no idea.
Posted by: Ron Sullivan | May 3, 2008 12:26 PM
I realize this is OT, but that KO clip was the first I'd heard of Franken's tax kerfuffle. For those of you in Minnesota, how does this seem to be affecting the campaign. Is it going to be a big deal? Should it be? Enquiring minds want to know!
Posted by: Bill Dauphin | May 3, 2008 12:31 PM
I just wish, Obermann would have you as a guest on one of his clips. It would be so refreshing to have someone who actually understands the meaning of the rant (i.e., the science) behind the rant.
Recently, Obermann has hosted Richard Lewis, who is so full of ADD or ADHD or borderline schizophrenia, he is too painful to follow and, therefore, some of what he says actually is lost because it is disjointed, repetitious, incoherent.
Lewis Black is at least coherent in his "rants" than Richard Lewis. Have never seen him on Obermann. Alas, he does not have the scientific background you have.
I am sure you could deliver the message within your "rant" much more effectively than either of those two comedians.
Squiddom --- your calling awaits you.
LeeLeeOne
PS Deadpan - more effective than in-your-face.
Posted by: LeeLeeOne | May 3, 2008 12:36 PM
Why don't we just Buy Ben Stein. He's for sale to the highest bidder so let's contact his agent see what it would cost for him to betray his new friends.
Posted by: tsig | May 3, 2008 12:38 PM
@#23 tsig --
Let's not. It seems like he's a discredit to whatever cause he joins. If we bought him, he'd probably go on talk shows talking about the genetics of thermodynamics and how it proves that the big bang happened or some crap like that.
Posted by: Etha Williams | May 3, 2008 12:43 PM
Ben Stein has friends? Just goes to show that there;s someone for everyone, I suppose.
Posted by: Notkieran | May 3, 2008 12:45 PM
As much of a GE corporate shill as Olbermann has turned into over the last several months, I'd be happy to have gotten off as a generic scientist. I don't trust him any more than I trust Benstein at this point.
Posted by: Milo Johnson | May 3, 2008 1:04 PM
I've thought that in order to stay relevant, Keith Olbermann's "Worst Person" segment needs to retire Ann Coulter and Bill O'Reilly, or they'd be Worst Person EVERY week.
Posted by: Marc | May 3, 2008 1:14 PM
Etha #6,
you are most probably correct, but I'd like to be a bit cynical, why should he care about intellectual honesty if he can make more money and get more admirers this way and this is what he sees as the meanning of his life ? NB He wouldn't be the first one in that situation in America. Remember, there's nobody judging above is there ?
What strikes me with Ben Stein is that he is just the perfect opportunist. He has always exploited the system. Wherever it takes him, in a sense, he's a bit like a magician or a snake oil sales man, he had to change carreer many many times.
Anyway, he's rich, which his present day admirers always use as a criteria to remind people that he must be good at something, despite their inability to figure out what exactly.
So I guess if you're rich, opportunist, you've got a big mouth, you really, really, don't care about intellectual honesty, and you want to get richer and get more admirers, why not do like Ben Stein, and why should you care ?
Posted by: negentropyeater | May 3, 2008 1:56 PM
It seems to me that Mr Stein, in addition to his inability to understand evolution and science, is confused about the difference between science and engineering.
The genocidal methods of WW2 Germany were not based or made possible by any scientific discovery that wasn't well known and understood by most of the western world at the time.
What was different was the application of engineering to the practice of genocide. Genocide as an industry with work, death and the raw materials of its victims as its work product and waste. There was very little science needed to make it happen. It was a product of engineering and accountancy. Henry Ford was not a scientist. He was an industrialist applying the principles of good engineering and efficiency controls. He was also a hero to the Third Reich.
Even today if you wish to design an internment camp and crematoria you don't talk to scientists. You go to architects and engineers, the applied sciences.
Wartime Germany was quite good for the applied sciences. Much like ancient Rome was. It was a time for construction, building and doing things. Wartime Germany, as with Rome, was not so good a time for scientists. The problem is that scientists ask questions and seek to find out how things work. Fascism is not amenable to people who ask questions. Asking questions implies you don't know. Fascism, and many religions, are all about knowing.
Fascism is about knowing and doing. Knowing, believing in what the leaders say, and doing, as in applied sciences.
Wartime Germany was not so big on the science. People who ask too many questions and Jews were not handled gently. As a result Germany's pure science output was actually reduced. This was seen in their nuclear program. Exploitation of the known science, engineering, increased but the closer a field of study was to pure science the less the Germans wanted to look into it. They wanted results. Now or sooner.
The best example of this was their genetics research. Yes, they went deep into simplistic and useless crossbreeding experiments to create the perfect German but they stayed well away from real science and research in the field. Largely because it would show the hollowness and uselessness of their claims about race and purity. These claims were not the result of science but rather an affront to the science.
But offending science was never a problem. Plenty of camps to go around for people who question. A lot of scientists perished in them. Scientist were seen as frivolous dreamers and expendable if their work wasn't immediately useful. Engineering, design and immediately apparent utility was more to the wartime German taste.
Posted by: Art | May 3, 2008 2:30 PM
Excellent comment, Art (#29).
Posted by: Kseniya | May 3, 2008 2:46 PM
@#28 negentropyeater --
I think what it boils down to is that no matter what part of society you're in, you're still a social animal. It is important that the meaning you create for yourself be a meaning that you would honestly be satisfied with seeing adopted by the rest of the world. I doubt Stein really would be happy if everyone became intellectually dishonest, greedy back-stabbing opportunists. Whether he realizes it or not, his comfort and position in society relies on people who *do* value intellectual honesty and who do not change their values whenever they see opportunities to make $.
(The obvious response to this would be "What about someone like Hitler"? Besides the fact that he was probably clinically insane, and I don't think you can really apply criteria like these to people who are not of sound mind, I think you need to see it beyond "would I be content with a society in which everyone hates Jews" ; the question would be "would I be happy if everyone scapegoated and killed people different from themselves -- which might, for some people, include me".)
So while we create our own meanings, the consequences of those meanings play out in the larger fabric of society and we are responsible for them. Creating one's own meaning is a social responsibility as much as it is a personal freedom.
(I am also forced to wonder if Stein really finds the acquisition of wealth so meaningful, considering that it is never enough for him.)
Posted by: Etha Williams | May 3, 2008 2:50 PM
Question for Ben Stein: "PolyNut want a cracker?"
Posted by: Bubba Sixpack | May 3, 2008 3:22 PM
religion is all about killing people
Posted by: death adder | May 3, 2008 4:28 PM
I was pondering this while doing some chores. And I think he can't be stupid enough to believe the stuff he's saying now, especially with what he said in the past--
so, I am afraid he put his bet on the other side winning the culture wars. If he's wrong, and rationality wins out, all he will lose is a career. If he's right, and the theocrats win, he has a chance at being-- I forget the word for them-- but the prisoners at the concentration camps who snitched on and ordered about other prisoners to get food and survival.
The difference between him and them, is they didn't chose to do so while there were still other options.
Posted by: Samantha Vimes | May 3, 2008 5:47 PM
Posted by: Dustin | May 3, 2008 6:33 PM
Wait a minute... The candidates for worst person in the world are just a couple of blowhards? Did anyone notice that there are mass murderers still walking the earth?
-jcr
Posted by: John C. Randolph | May 3, 2008 6:42 PM
Re #27 - Samantha, there may be another word, but I think trusty is what you are looking for. Of course, human debris is probably closer in description of those who give up their decency for an extra ounce of bread. As I recall, their life in the camps was also pretty short as even the Nazis did not trust them for long.
The sad thing is, you can always find people willing to sell themselves to the highest bidder. I see people like Ben Stein as the worst kind of prostitue...taking money without providing any value at all, in effect, "rolling" their clients.
Back to lurk mode, ciao.
Posted by: Jeffrey Dunford | May 3, 2008 6:42 PM
#34: Ben Stein wants to be a Kapo.
Posted by: anne | May 3, 2008 6:49 PM
Wow John,
You don't get the tongue and cheek aspect, at all, do ya?
Kinda thick ain't he.
Posted by: Steve_C | May 3, 2008 6:51 PM
If everyone with a rational mind just left the US, I'd give it 10 years before it'd turn up being a theocratic third world country.
Bug, meet feature.
Posted by: Smut Clyde | May 3, 2008 6:55 PM
Wait a minute... The candidates for worst person in the world are just a couple of blowhards? Did anyone notice that there are mass murderers still walking the earth?
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Posted by: Some Dude | May 3, 2008 8:17 PM
I think that Stein's involvement with the ID movement has just as much to do with his political ideology as it does with his love of filthy lucre. B.S. threw his hat in the ring with the Republicans decades ago, and maintains loyalty to the party even though they have gone on a downward spiral into complete lunacy. The only thing the Republicans have left now is the culture war, so Ben soldiers on, unwilling to see that his fellow travelers really think that he's destined to burn eternally in a lake-a-lake-of-burning-brimstone.
Posted by: Longtime Lurker | May 3, 2008 8:30 PM
"Question: if Bill O'Reilly and Ann Coulter were to disappear tomorrow, would Keith "Bathtub Boy" Olbermann suddenly come down with a case of lockjaw? Or would he go back to ESPN, where at least he wasn't in 5000 feet over his head?"
At least Olberman can fit in a bathtub.
Thats more than I can say for the fatuous fatman Limbaugh.
Posted by: Stuart Weinstein | May 3, 2008 8:31 PM
I can't help but wonder if maybe Stein isn't trying to position himself for some sort of political appointment (on the assumption that McCain takes the presidency).
Posted by: cicely | May 3, 2008 9:16 PM
In over his head? As compared to who? Matthews? Limbaugh? Beck?
You can't be serious.
Posted by: Steve_C | May 3, 2008 9:54 PM
In over his head? As compared to who? Matthews? Limbaugh? Beck?
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Posted by: Some Dude | May 3, 2008 10:01 PM
where at least he wasn't in 5000 feet over his head?
projecting again?
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 3, 2008 10:12 PM
As compared to anyone with a brain who doesn't endlessly recycle leftist talking points.
ah, the question was answered before i posted it.
yes, you are projecting again I see.
next question:
did you forget to take your meds today?
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 3, 2008 10:15 PM
coulter and BillO are brainless idiots who endlessly recycle rightist talking points. Compared to them Olbermann is a genius.
Posted by: death adder | May 3, 2008 10:17 PM
@#44 cicely --
Stop. You're giving me nightmares. (Ben Stein as Secretary of Education, promoting his IDiot views...Ben Stein as Secretary of Commerce, incorrectly prognosticating future commercial/economic events...Ben Stein as Secretary of Defense, acting based on his paranoid fantasies of global nuclear catastrophe...)
Posted by: Etha Williams | May 3, 2008 10:18 PM
ah, the question was answered before i posted it.
yes, you are projecting again I see.
next question:
did you forget to take your meds today?
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Posted by: Some Dude | May 3, 2008 10:22 PM
(Ben Stein as Secretary of Education, promoting his IDiot views...Ben Stein as Secretary of Commerce, incorrectly prognosticating future commercial/economic events...Ben Stein as Secretary of Defense, acting based on his paranoid fantasies of global nuclear catastrophe...)
Ben Stein as Vice President...
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 3, 2008 10:24 PM
@#53 Ichthyic --
Ben Stein as President, when ol' McCain finally expires...
Okay, I'm sorry, that scenario was uncalled for. Cruel and unusual.
Posted by: Etha Williams | May 3, 2008 10:27 PM
coulter and BillO are brainless idiots who endlessly recycle rightist talking points. Compared to them Olbermann is a genius.
Cmprd t Bthtb By, mst kndrgrtnrs r gnss!
Posted by: Some Dude | May 3, 2008 10:28 PM
all kindergarteners are geniuses compared to you Dumb Dude
Posted by: death adder | May 3, 2008 10:31 PM
Hey look! Inchdick, one of PZ's sock puppets, has come out to play. He likes to accuse everyone who disagrees with him of "projecting". (He doesn't even know the meaning of this term, but anyway...)
I only accuse those who are obviously projecting of doing so.
When someone thinks that Limbaugh and O'Reilly are the intellectuals, and that they aren't the ones repeating right wing talking points, but instead points the finger at Olberman for "leftist" talking points that are not only undefined, but don't even exist, we call that projection.
yes, you are projecting your own little fantasy world.
next you'll be telling us that Olberman is the one with the Oxycontin addiction, right, oh fubar one?
as to my understanding of psychology, I hardly have to defend myself on something a highschooler with a basic psych text could pick out of your behavior and posts.
If you want to have fun figuring out if you think you know what it means to project, you could always try the wiki on it and see how well you fit.
OTOH, I suggest a much more productive method would be for you to visit a mental health care professional and ask them.
Doubtless your denial will kick in and eliminate that as a possibility, though.
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 3, 2008 10:34 PM
Go suck on Limbaugh's knob. Keep your hands and mouth occupied elsewhere you tool.
Posted by: Steve_C | May 3, 2008 10:34 PM
@#54 Some Dude & #55 death adder --
Generally genius is considered as describing a person's innate abilities and has nothing to do with their age or relative education. It's a statistical concept more than anything else. Further, unlike "PhD", where generally some level of intelligence is required to get one, kindergarten education is compulsory in most of the western world, so the statistics for kindergarteners will be the same as those for the general population in America.
So saying "most kindergarteners" or "all kindergarteners" is no more meaningful than saying simply "most people" or "all people."
Posted by: Etha Williams | May 3, 2008 10:37 PM
Go suck on Limbaugh's knob. Keep your hands and mouth occupied elsewhere you tool.
Spkng f prjctng....
Posted by: Some Dude | May 3, 2008 10:37 PM
It wasn't projecting. I'm sure you have lots of practice.
Posted by: Steve_C | May 3, 2008 10:40 PM
Thanks Etha, but Dude & I are speaking colloquially in our sparring. :)
Posted by: death adder | May 3, 2008 10:43 PM
Steve might be wrong, you might be sucking O'Reilly's knob and not Limbaugh's, but it certainly wasn't a case of projection on his part.
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 3, 2008 10:43 PM
Some Dude = Joe Blow
Posted by: Kseniya | May 3, 2008 11:07 PM
Some Dude = Joe Blow
I was thinking it was Kenny's more angry sock-puppet, but you might be right.
ah, well, one sock-puppet from a moron often looks like another.
I suppose it should be flagged, since Joe has escaped from the dungeon.
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 3, 2008 11:12 PM
That's not fair. No one should have to compete with Coulter for "Worst Person in the World."
Poor Stein, persecuted again. He'd probably like to be Olbermann's "Worst Person," and Glenn Beck's pet. But no, he's only stupid enough for Beck to like him, not mentally disturbed enough to be "Worst Person," not when Coulter's competing.
I hope that others caught the fact that Stein's "valedictorian" status was due to voting (Glenn Beck's show). Apparently he has always thought himself to be smart via popularity, and thinks that merit is whatever wins over the most people. That experts might actually be in a better position to judge the merits of a claim seems foreign to his inexpert brain.
Glen Davidson
http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7
Posted by: Glen Davidson | May 3, 2008 11:13 PM
Ironic that he doesn't know what "sock puppet" means...
Posted by: Kseniya | May 3, 2008 11:14 PM
Some Dude = Joe Blow
ksny = pz
nchdck = pz
Posted by: Some Dude | May 3, 2008 11:19 PM
now that's just random noise.
meds.
take 'em.
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 3, 2008 11:22 PM
hahaha.
If you had any idea how many people comment on here, you would know that PZ doesn't need sock puppets.
Actually, he'll just disemvowel you.
Posted by: Steve_C | May 3, 2008 11:25 PM
He'd probably like to be Olbermann's "Worst Person,"
actually, I'd say that would be a good bet.
I'm sure Stein thinks his latest performance is pure genius, if only those criticizing him would take the time to figure out his "real" motivation.
Frankly, I can't find a reason to bother.
the bed is made, and I can't see anyone lying in it but Stein himself.
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 3, 2008 11:25 PM
kseniya = pz
inchdick = pz
whatsa matter, couldn't think of a "clever" anagram of Kseniya?
LOL
what a maroon.
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 3, 2008 11:28 PM
I only accuse those who are obviously projecting of doing so.
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When someone thinks that Limbaugh and O'Reilly are the intellectuals,
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and that they aren't the ones repeating right wing talking points, but instead points the finger at Olberman for "leftist" talking points that are not only undefined, but don't even exist,
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we call that projection.
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yes, you are projecting your own little fantasy world.
rnc, cmng frm sck pppt.
as to my understanding of psychology, I hardly have to defend myself on something a highschooler with a basic psych text could pick out of your behavior and posts.
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Posted by: Some Dude | May 3, 2008 11:31 PM
Don't touch that dial! Still to come:
But first, these messages:
Posted by: Kseniya | May 3, 2008 11:32 PM
If you had any idea how many people comment on here, you would know that PZ doesn't need sock puppets.
Wll, y'r th thrd n 'v ncntrd tnght.
Actually, he'll just disemvowel you.
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Posted by: Some Dude | May 3, 2008 11:34 PM
Check off #3, folks.
Oops, I forgot to mention the requisite "Unlike you parasitic libruls, I HAVE A JOB" comment. My bad.
Tell us, Slow-Blo, what's a "sock puppet" in Internet parlance, and by what standard does Ichthyic qualify as a sock puppet, and what evidence do you have to support the claim?
Posted by: Kseniya | May 3, 2008 11:37 PM
Steve might be wrong, you might be sucking O'Reilly's knob and not Limbaugh's, but it certainly wasn't a case of projection on his part.
S hw ds PZ's smn tst thr, nchdck?
Posted by: Some Dude | May 3, 2008 11:37 PM
Which, in the damp, dank, dreary recesses of your pathetic excuse for a brain, would be everyone who disagrees with you
all you have to do is prove it.
For the record, I don't think they are. O'Reilly is a spent force.
for the record, nobody here gives a shit what you think.
(it's called having a job, something with which you are obviously not familiar, what with being a sock puppet and all).
you need to also look up what "sock puppet" means, while you continue to try and figure out what projection means.
btw, your "list" of supposed talking points that Olberman supposedly regurgitates....
funny, but I can't seem to find any tapes of Olberman saying any of those things, except for the very last, and that's not a talking point, it's a fact.
What would you know about high school, since you're about a decade away from getting there? Oh wait...what am I doing, talking to a sock puppet? Never mind.
what am I doing railing on a complete idiot?
It's not even shooting fish in a barrel, more like making fun of the mentally ill.
I better stop before someone gets mad at me.
mental illness is not a laughing matter, after all.
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 3, 2008 11:39 PM
Oh yeah, check off "Overstates liberal slant of mainstream media" too.
Posted by: Kseniya | May 3, 2008 11:39 PM
@#76 Some Dude --
Wow...this is bizarre...you accuse Ichthyic of *being* PZ, and then you accuse Ichthyic of having oral sex with aforementioned PZ. Auto-fellatio, much?
Posted by: Etha Williams | May 3, 2008 11:41 PM
Check off #3, folks.
Mr prjctn frm th Phrynglr Sck Pppt Pnt Gllry. 'm shckd. Nt.
Oops, I forgot to mention the requisite "Unlike you parasitic libruls, I HAVE A JOB" comment. My bad.
h tht's rght. 'm nt sppsd t ctlly wrk fr lvng. 'm sppsd t bcm prfssnl blg cmmntr jst lk y.
Tell us, Slow-Blo, what's a "sock puppet" in Internet parlance, and by what standard does Ichthyic qualify as a sock puppet, and what evidence do you have to support the claim?
Wh th mthr fck s "Slw-Bl"? Lst hrd t ws sm typ f crtrdg fs. Y wnt t s sck pppt? By mrrr.
Srsly thgh, ny tm nyn crtczs hs mprs ldr, h's thr wth th nvctv nd th prjctn, nd s lwys fwnng vr nythng Mr. P. Z. sys. t's cmclly bvs t nyn vr th g f ght.
Posted by: Some Dude | May 3, 2008 11:43 PM
There we go; there's another classic Joe Blow barb: the insinuation that you're in grade school. (I can almost smell the morphing ban from way over here!)
Let's call that one #6. So, let's recap the story thus far:
Posted by: Kseniya | May 3, 2008 11:45 PM
don't forget he also accused Kseniya of being PZ.
I'm not sure you even want to try and work out how that figures into it, though.
like I said, this guy obviously has some serious issues (or he's about 8 years old - or both), and we did have a discussion about making fun of the mentally handicapped in a different thread.
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 3, 2008 11:46 PM
mental illness is not a laughing matter, after all.
Y shld knw, gvn tht y'r stll xprncng t.
Posted by: Some Dude | May 3, 2008 11:46 PM
#82 was in reference to #79, btw.
Joe is just embarrassing himself at this point.
I suppose that WAS my goal, but it was just so easy to do that it wasn't much fun.
I'm done.
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 3, 2008 11:49 PM
1. "You've proved my point!"
Wll, y jst dd.
WorldNetDaily cited as gospel.
Wrld Nt Dly s wrttn by Mtthw, Mrk, Lk nd Jhn? hd n d.
3. Reference to "MoveOn.org Liberals" - CHECK
t s rthr rdndnt, sn't t?
4. Unlike you parasitic libruls, I have a job - CHECK
Fld spllng, s.
5. Overstates liberal slant of mainstream media - CHECK
Tht wld cm ndr th gnrl hdng f "dng th mpssbl".
6. Insinuates that his opponents are pre-adolescents - CHECK
Wll, ftr sm f th cmmnts 'v sn hr frm y bzs, gss s.
Posted by: Some Dude | May 3, 2008 11:51 PM
Joe, how is my predicting your pejorative reference to MoveOn a case of "projection"? Do you think "projection" is a form of prescience? Maybe I should be flattered.
Wow. Talk about missing the point.
You haven't answered my question.
Posted by: Kseniya | May 3, 2008 11:52 PM
Joe is just embarrassing himself at this point.
Wh's J? Yr byfrnd? PZ n't gnn b t hppy wth y nchdck!!!
Posted by: Some Dude | May 3, 2008 11:54 PM
4. Unlike you parasitic libruls, I have a job - CHECK
Failed spelling, I see.
7. inability to grasp irony - check.
Kseniya, you might as well be trying to have a lucid conversation with a magic 8-ball at this point.
Posted by: Ichthyic | May 3, 2008 11:55 PM
[*shakes it up*]
"It is certain"
Posted by: Kseniya | May 3, 2008 11:57 PM