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Posted on: May 6, 2008 3:33 PM, by PZ Myers
So here's another one. A West Virginia newspaper poll asks,
Should local governmental bodies be allowed to open their meetings with a prayer?
You know the answer to that one.
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Comments
I cast my vote - current results
80% yes
20% no
Z
Posted by: mr-zero | May 6, 2008 3:35 PM
Might take a while if a few votes don't alter the percentage.
Posted by: Who Cares | May 6, 2008 3:36 PM
Time to crash another pole!
Posted by: SDChad | May 6, 2008 3:39 PM
I think it's just that their software stinks. I casted, and it stayed at 80% yes. Clicked on 'View Results' and then it showed 65%. Wacky.
Posted by: Ryan F Stello | May 6, 2008 3:39 PM
From the comments:
I always wonder what they are praying for.
Is it for good roads without taxes? Favorable assessments? Approval of business licenses?
Posted by: Mike Haubrich, FCD | May 6, 2008 3:41 PM
Wow. Poll. It helps to read it first. So don't go crashing into any poles now.
Posted by: SDChad | May 6, 2008 3:41 PM
62% yes
38% no
I think we should clarify here that anyone in the government is free to pray to themselves or aloud as a citizen, but not acting as a government agent. Hopefully this will stave off the trolls, but I don't think they understand the distinction.
Posted by: Dennis N | May 6, 2008 3:41 PM
For anybody that might question why we do this, this is why (from the comments):
Will they accept the 'majority rule' excuse when the majority is no longer on their side?
Posted by: Ryan F Stello | May 6, 2008 3:42 PM
I'm a graduate of WVU.
While it's true that the southern part of the state is mostly redneck nutjobs, the small cities are progressing somewhat. Morgantown has a good mix of people and is more tolerant than other parts of WV. Gov. Manchin is also a democrat, who isn't completely off his rocker (yet).
Posted by: Kevin | May 6, 2008 3:45 PM
The Bill of Rights is there to protect citizens from the tyranny of the majority in a democracy. If we went by strictly majority rule, blacks never would have gained rights in the South. It's the same story every time; it's so cyclical.
Posted by: Dennis N | May 6, 2008 3:45 PM
Oh Great Noodley One, please look favorably upon this meeting and bless us with sauce and meatballs.
Posted by: Vermicelli | May 6, 2008 3:46 PM
NICE - when I voted, the results came back as :
YES - 62%
NO - 38%
After reading for a few minutes, I reloaded the page to see the following results:
YES - 46%
NO - 54:
And the lead changes hands!!
Posted by: brokenSoldier | May 6, 2008 3:47 PM
Sorry, just voting wasn't enough... I had to leave a comment on the poll too.
Posted by: boomer | May 6, 2008 3:48 PM
Yes 46%
No 54%
That didn't take too long.
Posted by: Don | May 6, 2008 3:49 PM
I left my comment too. All fear the wrath of Odin! He has been kept outside of school and government for long enough. It's time to take back our rights!
Posted by: Heather | May 6, 2008 3:50 PM
Looks like it's already 63% for No.
Posted by: Jason G. | May 6, 2008 3:50 PM
Thanks, PZ and all. Now 38% yes 62% no.
Posted by: tom | May 6, 2008 3:50 PM
Here's one for you: Dalton McGuinty, the premier of Canada's most populous province, has decided that the daily sessions of the Ontario Legislature will no longer open with the saying of the Lord's Prayer. It's just not inclusive enough:
The volume of comments on this decision has crashed the government's Web site.
Posted by: Monado, FCD | May 6, 2008 3:53 PM
If you say yes, the next question will be:
Should local governmental bodies be allowed to open their meetings with a human sacrifice?
Posted by: Didac | May 6, 2008 3:55 PM
Yes my master. I will crash poll for you my master. Feed me brains master.
YES - 32%
NO - 68%
Posted by: James C. | May 6, 2008 3:55 PM
29% yes
71% no
Posted by: Dennis N | May 6, 2008 3:57 PM
"the 5,700 people who have written to the province so far about the proposal to replace the Lord's Prayer"
And as in any political season, the number one issue in the people's minds is Bullshit.
Posted by: Rey Fox | May 6, 2008 3:57 PM
I wouldnt worry too much about those West Virginians, Eastern Panhandlers are generally pretty smart. Eastern and Northern Panhandle people are good people, it's the jackson and randolph county folks that are stuck in a timewarp.
Posted by: Reginald | May 6, 2008 3:59 PM
No 73
Yes 27
Posted by: Elf Eye | May 6, 2008 3:59 PM
27% yes
73% no
Posted by: Joshua Arnold | May 6, 2008 3:59 PM
26% Yes
74% No
Extra points to all the commenters there. Let's keep reminding that democracy only works through convergence of views.
Posted by: Ryan F Stello | May 6, 2008 4:00 PM
FTC:
Watch out for The Quickening...
Posted by: JCG | May 6, 2008 4:01 PM
YES 22%
NO 78%
Posted by: Dennis N | May 6, 2008 4:04 PM
I've always wondered: How omniscient are their gods anyway, if they can only hear prayers uttered aloud?
Posted by: bargal20 | May 6, 2008 4:06 PM
77% NO.
I'd say it's crashed ;-)
Posted by: Greymalkin | May 6, 2008 4:07 PM
Reginald @ 23. There is a real thick streak of christer in the EP. It's better than is has been with all of the new people moving from the inner DC burbs out to here. The local rag panders to them shamelessly. I'm holding my breath for one local geniuses to suggest improvements to science education.
Posted by: tom | May 6, 2008 4:07 PM
Why can't they pray on their own time?
If they insist on praying, though, I'd really recommend they start with a reading of Matthew 6.5.
20/80 now.
Posted by: Sili | May 6, 2008 4:09 PM
It's now 80% no, 20% yes.
Well there's the Pharyngula Effect for you - 100% turnaround in just half an hour (time difference btw first post and the one before mine!)
Posted by: Elwood Herring | May 6, 2008 4:12 PM
As meaningless as this kind of poll is, I can't help but think that messing with them like this is juvenile. In my opinion it reflect a kind of horde mentality that's unworthy of most people here. Although it's common knowledge that this kind of poll is intrinsically susceptible to skewing (not to mention mostly unrepresentative anyway because people tend to flock to where there biases lead them), I don't see much of a difference in principle between poll bombing and, say, packing a cinema or lecture hall with a friendly audience. There has to be a better way of generating attention than this.
Martin
Posted by: Martin Christensen | May 6, 2008 4:14 PM
I love these poll-parties! Gives us lurkers a feeling of actually accomplishing something ;)
Posted by: Lurky | May 6, 2008 4:14 PM
18 / 82
Bets on how low it can go?
I'd put mine on 1-5%, Yes.
Posted by: Ryan F Stello | May 6, 2008 4:15 PM
Wow - when I said "one before mine" I should have said #28 - posts coming thick & fast here!
Posted by: Elwood Herring | May 6, 2008 4:16 PM
Yep, I just voted and got the same result: 80% no, 20% yes.
Pharyngula: Destroying people's faith in polling data, one poll at a time.
Posted by: Martin07 | May 6, 2008 4:17 PM
I think this poll is inherently senseless and should be crashed. This is not an issue forwhich you appeal to the masses. They're not picking the new color for M&Ms; this is a question that is easily answered by ignoring blinding bias and consulting the constitution.
Posted by: Dennis N | May 6, 2008 4:17 PM
The poll should just say, "Are you ignorant of the First Amendment: Yes or No?"
Posted by: Dennis N | May 6, 2008 4:21 PM
I think believers have the right to pray at home or church before they go to the meetings.
Posted by: mikespeir | May 6, 2008 4:21 PM
16 : 84
(that's yes : no, by the way)
Posted by: NoAstronomer | May 6, 2008 4:22 PM
Just voted from work, looking forward to voting again from home. :)
Posted by: DaveH | May 6, 2008 4:23 PM
And the odds that they'll even report on the poll, about 97 to 3.
Posted by: Hank Fox | May 6, 2008 4:24 PM
Yes 15%
No 85%
Gee, that was fun. Never did one of those stupid polls before.
.
Posted by: Jaycubed | May 6, 2008 4:28 PM
Martin Christensen #34 "There has to be a better way of generating attention than this."
Juvenile it may be, but it does show them that we are paying attention - and showing our concern wherever and whenever we can. The only way to stifle this never-ending woo-fest is to smack it down hard at every opportunity, politely but instantly every time it appears. I'm not even in the US but I am seriously concerned about what's going on across the pond from me, and I don't want it infecting my country (which is unfortunately already showing increasing signs of woo-festation.) If that means voting on silly online polls, then I'll do it. I won't cheat though - one vote only.
Posted by: Elwood Herring | May 6, 2008 4:30 PM
I'm now Alice Upright from Nitro, West Virginnie. Poll crashed. Comment left. Cousin married.
Posted by: UprightAlice | May 6, 2008 4:30 PM
The problem is, Martin #34, that people who don't know the difference between a median and a mean do think that these polls mean something. Think of it as the horde educating the masses in the folly of online polling.
Posted by: Egaeus | May 6, 2008 4:31 PM
Yes 14%
No 86%
@38 It's not destroying polling data. In fact, it's giving the poll a larger sample size. I dare say we're improving the accuracy.
Also, if you click to see all the polls, there's one at the bottom that reads "Should Berkeley County Schools and the County Commission cap funding for the public library?"
Yes 41%
No 59%
:/
Posted by: Mac | May 6, 2008 4:34 PM
...And you have such fun inciting us to crash them, PZ.
Posted by: Inoculated Mind | May 6, 2008 4:37 PM
What part of "private" do these people not get?
I'm sure God won't mind if you want to talk to him by yourself, instead of bringing a load of other irritating civil servants in at the same time. He might actually prefer it.
Posted by: Jonathan Rothwell | May 6, 2008 4:39 PM
Re: Juvenile.
This happened where I live last year: A local newspaper columnist accepted a challenge to debate evolution with a shill from the Discovery Institute. The venue was a medium-sized hall, holding about 300 or so, and the debate was set for 7 p.m.
By 6 p.m., busloads of Christians were arriving to pack the hall. Almost nobody else got in.
The newspaper columnist got heckled and laughed at, the DI guy got applauded like it was some kind of prayer meeting.
The word had gone out, you see, that Christians needed to show up in large numbers to beat down this upstart columnist and to prevent anyone else from having a voice at the meeting.
As to "crashing" a poll ... sauce for the goose.
(And I'm not even sure I like the term "crashing." When does it start becoming dishonest when citizens post their honest responses? Sounds like Fox News logic to me.)
IMHO, this is another instance in which the maxim "The time to be silent is over" applies.
Why sit back and be quiet? So far it's earned us nothing but a back seat on the American bus, and the freedom for everybody else to hate us.
Posted by: Hank Fox | May 6, 2008 4:41 PM
Well, we are currently winning 20 v/s 80...
Anyhow i feel pity for you americans... luckily that
sort of thing, would never happen in my country...
Pray ? goes just as well as the politician lies...
Posted by: Lord Zero | May 6, 2008 4:46 PM
Voted no...
While I got nothing against a moment of silence reserved at the beginning for _optional_ prayer, meditation, reflection, etc., as the individuals in attendance see fit, I'm completely against making it mandatory.
Posted by: DMLou | May 6, 2008 4:49 PM
Its up to 11 vs 89. Go, Sanity!
Posted by: carlos | May 6, 2008 4:49 PM
10% Yes
90% No!
Posted by: Vanessa | May 6, 2008 4:58 PM
Go Banana!
Posted by: Steven Alleyn | May 6, 2008 5:00 PM
I agree with Hank Fox (#52). Why is this thought to be crashing the poll? I don't know about anyone else, but I only voted once and that seems fair enough to me. Do you have to be a newspaper subscriber to vote? They didn't ask me to prove my WV residency status. I AM an American citizen. I don't see the harm.
Posted by: Eximious Jones | May 6, 2008 5:03 PM
Should religious people be allowed to pray quietly in their own heads at the beginning of these meetings?
Sure! Keeps them from opening their mouths and removing all doubt!
Posted by: Spinoza | May 6, 2008 5:04 PM
I just wish I could see their faces and hear their rationalizations when they finally pull the poll.
Could this be the death of stupid Internet polls?
Posted by: BaldApe | May 6, 2008 5:04 PM
"While I got nothing against a moment of silence reserved at the beginning for _optional_ prayer, meditation, reflection, etc., as the individuals in attendance see fit, I'm completely against making it mandatory."
Well, the question is simply whether they should be "allowed" to pray. To make prayer mandatory in such a setting is clearly a violation of the Establishment Clause. However, to actively suppress the choice of being allowed to pray (regardless of my personal opinion of it) is also treading perilously close to violating the same. The case would come down to whether a government official praying during work hours is, by definition, expending public funds on a faith-based initiative, even if he isn't actively proselytizing. Of course, government already spends tax dollars on faith-based initiatives, and I'd sooner lay the smack down on that first, before worrying about whether Joe Crazy reserves the right to give a nod to The Great Goddess Eris (pbuh) before he gets down state business in the board room.
Posted by: DSKS | May 6, 2008 5:04 PM
So this is what Atheists do now? They are so desperate
to get their point across on polls that make no difference whatsoever?
I have to admit. You guys have a lot of time on your hands. I am a theist and I don't even have that much passion to go to every poll that you can find that has some form of religious decision on it and vote.
It sounds like some rabid video game fanboys trying to vote for their video game system and trying to mess with the polling systems.
Well, it's true that the Internet has a lot of people who are not very mature. This kind of post on a blog to get people to vote for a meaningless poll sounds just about right for the audience on here.
Posted by: Kenny | May 6, 2008 5:04 PM
No. Prayer doesn't solve problems, it only creates them. Or, in its more benign form, just wastes my time so some fool can make a spectacle of himself.
But the Pharisee, he does love to put on the show.
Posted by: Moses | May 6, 2008 5:06 PM
Avast, ye intarnet poll. Stand and deliver.
Posted by: Dustin | May 6, 2008 5:07 PM
Posted by: Dustin | May 6, 2008 5:10 PM
"Well, the question is simply whether they should be "allowed" to pray."
-DSKS
No, the exact wording is "Should local governmental bodies be allowed to open their meetings with a prayer", implying some sort of formalized group prayer. The members can pray silently any time they want, nobody is proposing to disallow them private prayer.
"Well, it's true that the Internet has a lot of people who are not very mature. This kind of post on a blog to get people to vote for a meaningless poll sounds just about right for the audience on here."
-Kenny
Hey, we didn't post the meaningless poll. Our actions are only making the point that online polls like this are ridiculously pointless.
Just my two cents.
Posted by: boomer | May 6, 2008 5:14 PM
We are now officially into single digits for Yes. 9% Yes. 91% No.
Posted by: Jason G. | May 6, 2008 5:15 PM
Kenny,
Cheer up! What difference does it make to you? What is the difference between us voting on a poll and you commenting on this site?
Somehow we're wasting out time but you're not?
Perhaps you could pray for us.
Z
Posted by: mr-zero | May 6, 2008 5:17 PM
Cast mine:
9% Yes
91% No
How deliciously ironic.... ;)
Posted by: Colwyn Abernathy | May 6, 2008 5:17 PM
Kenny:
Maybe you should pray for us to stop.
Posted by: ddr | May 6, 2008 5:20 PM
Hey! Only right wingers are allowed to skew polls! Just as the Free Republic. They do it so often the term Freeping was created for when they destroy the validity of polls by having teams of assholes skew the results their way just so they can flex their muscles.
Posted by: E in MD | May 6, 2008 5:21 PM
Man... That thing went down in flames.
Posted by: Dan | May 6, 2008 5:23 PM
Online polls aren't scientific, they're mainly intended for talking points. That said, it was at 90/10 No/Yes when I voted.
Allow me to ask: Prayer ? to whom ? Mithra ? Zeus ? Jehovah ? Cthulhlu ?
Should the request for deific aid be said after the manner of the Catholics? Protestants? Southern Baptists, Jews? should it end with Amen or with Cthulhlu Ftgn! ?
Claiming it's a Christian Nation does no good, because then it becomes necessary to decide which
Christianity. In any case, the entire Christian Nation gambit is merely a creation of the witch-doctors, who use it to further extend their control.
If individual members wish to spend a moment begging the dragon in their garage for aid, they can do so before the session opens.
Posted by: DLC | May 6, 2008 5:24 PM
And for the concerned in this thread, there is help.
Posted by: Dustin | May 6, 2008 5:28 PM
Ah, lovely--West Virginia University. The folks who granted an MBA retroactivly to a Heather Bresch after she had completed 26 credits in a 48 credit program. I'm sure fact that the University president was a friend of her family and a former business associate of Ms. Bresch had nothing to do with her being awarded the degree. Luckily, the story got loose, the MBA was revoked, the provost and a dean resigned. Unfortunately, the University president is still in office (and probably the one hoping really hard that the power of prayer works).
Posted by: Bryn | May 6, 2008 5:30 PM
Looks like the godidiots are falling behind...
9% Yes
91% no
Just got this from a fellow atheist:
XXXX: Well, I wouldn't deny a member of a government body, who happened to have a broken foot, from coming to a meeting with their crutches...
Me: It's not about a person with a broken foot coming out with crutches.
Me: it's about a member with a broken foot forcing everyone else to use crutches whether they need or want them or not or whether they already have a wheelchair or anti-gravity flotation device or don't believe in crutches at all..
Posted by: E in MD | May 6, 2008 5:30 PM
They are asking for opinions, how is it in any way dodgy to give an honest one?
Posted by: Don | May 6, 2008 5:32 PM
Kenny@62: "Well, it's true that the Internet has a lot of people who are not very mature. This kind of post on a blog to get people to vote for a meaningless poll sounds just about right for the audience on here."
Hank Fox@52: "The newspaper columnist got heckled and laughed at, the DI guy got applauded like it was some kind of prayer meeting.
The word had gone out, you see, that Christians needed to show up in large numbers to beat down this upstart columnist and to prevent anyone else from having a voice at the meeting. "
So, Kenny... do you agree that busloads of heckling Christians packing a small auditorium for a science - antiscience debate is pathetic? Cant' they make their points without drowning discourse? We are not interfering with the poll's question; there is no argument to disrupt. There *is the implicit assumption that online polls provide useful information of some sort. If our altering the score by offering our votes disabuses anyone of that notion, then the world is a little better illuminated for it.
Posted by: Kermit | May 6, 2008 5:33 PM
The simple way to answer that is to get on the panel and ask if they mind you opening with a prayer to Satan when it's your turn.
Posted by: Marcus Ranum | May 6, 2008 5:33 PM
We're up to 92% "No" at this point. I love this group of ne'er do well poll crashing godless bastards. :)
Posted by: flonkbob | May 6, 2008 5:34 PM
Awake ye minions we have been called again onward and upward to battle by our Evil Atheist Overlord (TM). On to the fray my brethren, there's smiting to be done. Huzzah.
Posted by: Bride of Shrek | May 6, 2008 5:38 PM
9% yes, 91% no — and if I cleared my browser cookies, it let me vote again. (Of course, that vote might not have been counted, but the interface reset to the pre-voting configuration.)
Posted by: Blake Stacey | May 6, 2008 5:39 PM
Ahhh...clicking a radio button never felt so satisfying!
Posted by: Jens | May 6, 2008 5:42 PM
Kenny #62: I remember my life as a Fundie. I was like you; no sense of humor and no fun. Revive your sense of play dude! These polls mean nothing, and this is good clean democratic (note: not Democratic) fun.
Besides, as has been said earlier, what has sitting in silence gotten us?
Posted by: flonkbob | May 6, 2008 5:44 PM
Sometimes I love my state, and sometimes... not. This is one of the Nots.
Reginald @23:
Hey! Jackson and Randolph aren't ALL bad! You should talk to some of the profs at D&E, especially in the social sciences... they're just as liberal and atheist as anyone here.
Posted by: Seamyst | May 6, 2008 5:45 PM
I don't even have that much passion to go to every poll that you can find that has some form of religious decision on it and vote.
Every poll? Wow, imagine that - another strawman from Kenny.
Oh, I'm sure we've missed a few. How many have Pharyngular poll-stomps have there been in the past year? Four, five, six maybe? I think I've done maybe two since New Year's. I haven't bothered with this one. Yet. :p
Posted by: Kseniya | May 6, 2008 5:49 PM
Kenny, just think of all the kittens spared from being flayed alive because we are too busy crashing polls?
Can you think of all the nasty things that atheists are known to do that can't be done because we are too busy crashing polls? (Oh, I bet you can, Kennyboy). You should encourage us to crash polls, keeps us off the streets.
SPARE A KITTEN, CRASH A POLL!
Posted by: Logicel | May 6, 2008 5:50 PM
Giving an honest answer to a public poll is not crashing the poll nor is it skewing the results because the results are the answers freely expressed by the public. Members of the public include GodBothering Souls, and BabyEating Souls, both groups assumed by their peers to be sober, thoughtful and patriotic citizens. I only voted once and I am a eating a baby now. Anybody vote twice? If you voted twice you are not nice at all.
92% No
8% Yes
At least it totals 100.
Posted by: Crudely Wrott | May 6, 2008 5:51 PM
8% Yes
92% No
I've been calling friends who have been enthusiastically voting in this pole.
They chose their own responses, I influenced them to vote, but not how to vote.
Posted by: Jaycubed | May 6, 2008 5:52 PM
That was Freudian.
Usually we are getting poled by the poll.
Posted by: Jaycubed | May 6, 2008 5:56 PM
Same as 5 minutes ago, 8% Yes 92% No.
Posted by: Flamethorn | May 6, 2008 5:57 PM
91-9 against when I voted.
I think we need proper outfits.
PZ gets a wide-brimmed conical hat in black and all his evil minions get red fez, bellhop jacket, and a pair of lovely monkey wings.
The proper syntax for doing his bidding is, of course: 'Fly my pretties'.
Posted by: Art | May 6, 2008 6:05 PM
@71 -- the Freepers are on their way!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2012138/posts
"The current "Top Headline Poll" on this page is being skewed by anti-Christian bigot PZ Myers and his Pzombies:"
Posted by: Susan | May 6, 2008 6:07 PM
Yes, there is that aspect as well. I voted once in the last public poll, and I expect to vote either one or zero times in this one.
Either way, I don't eat babies. I steal baby dolls from toy stores, and trade them to blind drug dealers in exchange for really dangerous narcotics, which I mix with PopRox and Coke and suck up through a straw like the hungry, hungry hagfish that I am. :-)
Posted by: Kseniya | May 6, 2008 6:07 PM
....and your little dog, too!
Posted by: chancelikely | May 6, 2008 6:07 PM
Not enough information here. Did the taxpayers elect them to stand around and clap for Tinkerbelle? Or do they have some other job to do?
Posted by: watercat | May 6, 2008 6:09 PM
Don't make me do it without the fez on.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | May 6, 2008 6:12 PM
Oh shit, kiddies and buccaneers, our cover is blown--
"Funny how EVERY SINGLE ONE of the Founding Fathers, INCLUDING JEFFERSON, never, ever had a problem with starting Congress' sessions with prayer. The anti-Christian PZombies from PZ Myers' blog (who are artificially skewing the poll) might benefit from considering that for a moment. (They won't consider it, however.)"
---comment by jinxmchue @ 5:29pm.
Well, I guess that tears it. "Thar be a strong dissent!" And hysterical, oops, I mean historical, too.
Posted by: Crudely Wrott | May 6, 2008 6:16 PM
Still the same as in #89 and #91:
YES
8%
NO
92%
Posted by: Muffin | May 6, 2008 6:18 PM
92% NO
8% YES
Looks like PZ has more readers than the West Virginia Journal-News.
Posted by: Zonotrichia | May 6, 2008 6:20 PM
Comments 47, 49, 52, 65 and 77 bear repeating. And especially 87.
yes 39 %, no 61 %
Still.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | May 6, 2008 6:28 PM
Your majesty, the poll has been successfully crashed.
Posted by: Insineratehymn | May 6, 2008 6:30 PM
Our cover is blown, buccaneers and buccanettes. Oh, woe. Witness--
"Funny how EVERY SINGLE ONE of the Founding Fathers, INCLUDING JEFFERSON, never, ever had a problem with starting Congress' sessions with prayer. The anti-Christian PZombies from PZ Myers' blog (who are artificially skewing the poll) might benefit from considering that for a moment. (They won't consider it, however.)"
--comment posted on the poll website.
Answering a routine poll question, $0.01; causing the results to more accurately reflect widespread opinion, $2.00; listening to the lamentations of the faithful, name your price!
Posted by: Crudely Wrott | May 6, 2008 6:35 PM