Pharyngula

Here come da judge again

Having reviewed the extensive evidence of obstreperous obtuse obnoxiousness, I have made a decision in the case of Pharyngulistas v. Kenny: summary termination without appeal.

And there was much rejoicing.

Comments

  1. #1 Holbach
    June 4, 2008

    You’re safe, Brenda!

  2. #2 Nick Gotts
    June 4, 2008

    But… but… he was just about to prove the existence of God! I’m sure he was!

  3. #3 Barklikeadog
    June 4, 2008

    WHAT??? He was too fun. Why???? OOOPS I remember trying to get in on the posse on the Brenda thread.

  4. #4 Shaden Freud
    June 4, 2008

    Oh my God, he killed Kenny!

  5. #5 Nibien
    June 4, 2008

    Don’t be a fool, he will merely pray and God will un-ban him.

  6. #6 Sven DiMilo
    June 4, 2008

    Gaudeamus Igitur!
    A well-deserved plonk; thanks for finally relenting. Pharyngula will be a far more pleasant experience for it.
    And Kseniya can stop holding her nose.

  7. #7 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    Poor fella. The strain was just more than we could bear.

  8. #8 Barklikeadog
    June 4, 2008

    You’re not going to do anything to Walton though? Are you? At least he’s polite. That is until someone gets to him and heee callllls someone an Asshat or Slut. He is such a nice guy too. (reference Brenda thread here too)

  9. #9 JackC
    June 4, 2008

    I don’t even know him and I am rejoicing.

    JC

  10. #10 chancelikely
    June 4, 2008

    You bastards!

  11. #11 Patricia C.
    June 4, 2008

    But, but… now who will protect Brenda from that slut Alex?
    Aww, PZ – I was just on the verge of Kenny showing me god. Dammit, now I’ll never be born again.
    OK, I forgive you. The debbel made you do it.

  12. #12 Barklikeadog
    June 4, 2008

    I know you are but what am I?

  13. #13 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    Patricia, I’m telling.

  14. #14 Etha Williams
    June 4, 2008

    Be vigilant…he’ll be back.

  15. #15 Dahan
    June 4, 2008

    @ 4

    You win the internets!

  16. #16 Bride of Shrek
    June 4, 2008

    Aaaawwwww, Kenny was my bitch. I’ll kinda miss the little ratweasel. Be alert though for morphing PZ, he pretty much said he was going to come back in another guise if he was banned.

  17. #17 Barklikeadog
    June 4, 2008

    Come back short of like JEESUS? COOL can I watch?

  18. #18 Duncan
    June 4, 2008

    It’s gotta be said:

    Expelled!

  19. #19 Eric Saveau
    June 4, 2008

    An unsurprising result. He will not be missed.

  20. #20 Thumper600
    June 4, 2008

    “I know you are but what am I?”
    Dang! Second Pee Wee Herman retort in one day. See Unscrewing the Inscrutable.

  21. #21 Britomart
    June 4, 2008

    Oh well, I am sure we will have a new bad example along soon enough.

    Probably several.

  22. #22 Greg Laden
    June 4, 2008

    Kenny,

    You are always welcome on my blog. But I’ve got to warn you. My commenters are not nice and forgiving like the ones here and I’m not a fuzzy teddy bear like PZ is.

  23. #23 Blake Stacey
    June 4, 2008

    Hey, I had a “Kenny” come trolling a while back. I wonder if it was the same fellow. . . .

  24. #24 Hipple, Rev. Paul T.
    June 4, 2008

    I can think of a few more that need to go, but what you have there is a good start, to be sure.

  25. #25 Mayhempix
    June 4, 2008

    Now if you could just put Kenny G in a universal kill file…

  26. #26 Walton
    June 4, 2008

    I have no idea why this ban was necessary. But it is up to Professor Myers.

    I only hope that I myself will not suffer the same fate (as Barklikeadog seems to suggest above at #8). Despite some abuse from a small minority of members, I have mostly been able to engage in constructive dialogue with the participants here, and I do feel that I’ve learnt quite a lot from the experience. Which is why I’m here. Ultimately, I’m not trying to convert anyone to anything, or convince the world that my political views are the One Eternal Truth that everyone should agree with; but I’m interested in talking to people whose views are radically opposed to mine, in a setting where people can speak freely. And I hope it’s been a beneficial experience for most people concerned.

  27. #27 Senecasam
    June 4, 2008

    Oh my, Kenny. They’ve killed God!

  28. #28 Zeno
    June 4, 2008

    I fear that you can kill Kenny all you want and he’ll still show up in future episodes threads.

    Remember: “If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine!”

    Oh, sorry. Wrong nerdy cultural reference.

  29. #29 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    I have mostly been able to engage in constructive dialogue

    says who?

    And I hope it’s been a beneficial experience for most people concerned.

    well, it’s actually been rather one-sided, since you appear to know so little about the things you expound upon.

    I dunno… are you actually learning anything?

    You haven’t presented any new information, incisive thought, or even much reasoned logic that I’ve seen, so my conclusion would be that “most” here wouldn’t consider the exchanges “beneficial” from their pov.

    I really do hope, that as you get older, you abandon rhetoric for real study.

    save the rhetoric for AFTER you graduate, and actually know something about what you wish to discuss.

  30. #30 ChrisC
    June 4, 2008

    Ohhhh… but I was starting to enjoy Kenny’s opinion. And all that evidence for the existence of God that he gathered from near death experience? How could we NOT want to hear that repeated as nauseum, without alteration, over and over again?

  31. #31 Patricia C.
    June 4, 2008

    Aw-oh, I’m in the monkey do-doo now… if I tell Brenda you’re a real hottie will you let me off the hook?

  32. #32 Zeno
    June 4, 2008

    Speaking of rulings from the bench, the California State Supreme Court announced that it would not stay its decision in the same-sex marriage case. Gay weddings begin in two weeks and they are not limited to state residents. Same-sex couples from other states (not Massachusetts, obviously) may be coming to the Golden State to get hitched. Nine state attorneys general (all Republicans [big surprise]) petitioned the California court to suspend its decision for fear that they would have to deal with litigation to have the California marriages recognized in their respective states. Crybabies! Didn’t they want to be attorney general? The big sissies should just do their jobs! (I name names.)

  33. #33 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    Oh but I am a hottie. I’d love to show you. Maybe we can make an “arrangement” – then I’ll let you off the hook. (are you a hottie?)

  34. #34 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    OMG – and does that mean you know Brenda? This could be a very interesting arrangement.

  35. #35 Gustav Nystr÷m
    June 4, 2008

    I now this will be done to boredom – or have already? – but I have been waiting to make this joke since the very first Kenny-thread (and let’s face it, Kenny had an uncanny way of turning every thread he commented on into his thread) and I just can’t help it. So, here it goes:

    Oh, my God, he killed Kenny! You bastard!

    Ok, now it’s out of my system. Please, carry on.

  36. #36 jeffox
    June 4, 2008

    Hottie/schmottie, if Kenny’s dead where’s the body? :)

  37. #37 Ken Cope
    June 4, 2008

    What’s this? I’m terminated?

  38. #38 Ken Cope
    June 4, 2008

    Well, that posted OK…(looks again, this time checking for vowels).

    Well, that was close. It must be because I’m Ken and not Kenny. I never did like that name.

  39. #39 Emmet Caulfield
    June 4, 2008

    On hearing this news of Kenny’s banishment, I thought of this.

  40. #40 Frederik RosenkjŠr
    June 4, 2008

    I vote for #9 to win the Internets…I feel the same way, incidentally.

  41. #41 jeffox
    June 4, 2008

    Then there’s this silliness:

    Brenda tenda not comprehenda :)

  42. #42 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    And why are you so interested in Kenny’s body jeffox? I’m not sure CA passed a law allowing for that kind of “relationship”.

  43. #43 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    On hearing this news of Kenny’s banishment, I thought of this.

    I thought of this:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCUSKWEkvAo

  44. #44 JeffreyD
    June 4, 2008

    Alex, re your #7, “Poor fella. The strain was just more than we could bear.” One of my favourite quotes from that movie, just watched it again the other night. Well, actually pieces of it, lots of fast forwarding.

    Ciao y’all – Oh. Kenny, I apologize; I forgot you were there. You may go now.

  45. #45 jeffox
    June 4, 2008

    Laugh, damn you all, laugh!! :) :) :)

  46. #46 Larry
    June 4, 2008

    No Kenny?

    Know peace!

  47. #47 Barklikeadog
    June 4, 2008

    No Walton , I don’t want you banned. I didn’t want Kenny banned. He was too much fun IMHO. I just want you to break loose and call someone a nome or something. You’re too nice. And you make sense too.

  48. #48 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    Actually JeffreyD, I think it’s a little different. The actual quote I think is “poor soul, the strain was more than he could bear”. But I didn’t want to refer to kenny as a soul, and it was our strain I care about, not his.

    Thanks for noticing though. It makes me feel like less of a geek to myself.

  49. #49 Barklikeadog
    June 4, 2008

    That’s “name” Not nome. But it could be nom. Can’t tipe

  50. #50 windy
    June 4, 2008

    Aww, PZ – I was just on the verge of Kenny showing me god.

    Patricia, you slut! Kenny is mine!

  51. #51 Sven DiMilo
    June 4, 2008

    Quoth Walton:

    I have no idea why this ban was necessary.

    Liar. I explained it to you, politely (and several others did too, some not-so), the very first time (to my knowledge) you showed up and started concern-trolling about it. Let’s see if I can find it… ah, here. A list of Kenny’s bannable offenses appeared here.
    As for you, Walton, you haven’t done anything bannable to my knowledge, but jeez, man, get over yourself!

  52. #52 Patricia C.
    June 4, 2008

    Oh dear! I take it back Alex. You’re not a slut, you’re a goat in rut…Kenny’s body – yuck!

  53. #53 Barklikeadog
    June 4, 2008

    Ichthyic #43. that was just too good. I’m sore from laughing. Good job.

  54. #54 Leigh
    June 4, 2008

    For God’s sake, somebody tell Alex about saltpeter, or masturbation, or real girls. Or maybe the Craig’s List personals.

    Alex, son, this is NOT the Craig’s List personals, in case you haven’t noticed.

  55. #55 SiMPel MYnd
    June 4, 2008

    KENNY
    “RECALLED TO HEAVEN”
    JUNE 4, 2008
    R.I.P.

  56. #56 JeffreyD
    June 4, 2008

    jeffox, re your question in #36 “Hottie/schmottie, if Kenny’s dead where’s the body? :)” Simple, he is risen and in less than three hours. Look for the Shroud of Turing Test coming to a History Channel near you.

    Ciao y’all

  57. #57 decrepitoldfool
    June 4, 2008

    PZ, you are truly an Elitist Bastard™

    Bride of Shreck said;

    Be alert though for morphing PZ, he pretty much said he was going to come back in another guise if he was banned.

    Yeah, but it’ll take him three days…

  58. #58 jeffox
    June 4, 2008

    So, Kenny and FTK are now cellmates. :) Soon, they, along with Larry, DaveS, Jason, & a few others will be able to form their own dungeon football team. Then they can make a movie about it and call it THE LONGEST TARD :) :) :)

  59. #59 Milo Johnson
    June 4, 2008

    Oh no! That’s going to make atheists look bad!

  60. #60 Owlmirror
    June 4, 2008

    I note that “Kenny” has a separate “plonk” entry from “Planet Killer”. I still think it should be possible to post examples of each of their typical arguments to show a suspiciously similar style and interests.

    Also, I am pretty sure that “Jason/Jinx” and “dsmvlwd” are the same person.

    Note the actual signature conflating these two monikers, here:

    http://www.prefixmag.com/news/update-ben-stein-did-not-acquire-the-rights-to-the/18179/

    And I think that snide “jsn” (there’s another Jsn who occasionally posts who is not the same commenter) is also a Jinx morph. Note that “jason”, when “dsmvld”, becomes “jsn”.

  61. #61 Barklikeadog
    June 4, 2008

    For those of who missed Kenny and his, um, stuff here are some of his soothing words. Pretty profound. Ohhh I’m going to miss him. Kenny, Kenny. Is there really a heaven?

    < <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
    Here's the bottom line folks, and I'm really not telling you anything you don't already know down in your heart anyway (God planted it there, so if you're the 1 in 10 who has the courage to actually "be still and know HE is God") Jesus Christ died for your sins. Pretty simply put - if (IF, ok? so listen up), if there was a holy GOD who would not COMPROMISE with evil (or I guess he would also be evil), but he created MAN who through Adam (yep, good ole Adam), sinned, and was not longer HOLY - then God has a problem. He loves man, and he hates SIN and he won't (can't because he's a holy God) compromise. So what does he do? Simple. He SENDS his SON JESUS CHRIST who died for you and me. If we accept JESUS CHRIST, and his 'put on his righteousness', we will be forgiven and one day, go to heaven.

    Now go ahead, mock away, call me an idiot. It's fine. I was once just like you. The bible says spiritual things are "foolishness" to those of the world. So, really I'm not talking to the 9 out of 10 of you. But the 1. Just the 1 who will read this, and consider it - dare I say it? Pray about it. Jesus said "my sheep know my voice". Are you one of his sheep?

    I am.

    Kenny said this on October 18th, 2007 at 19:34 pm >>>>>>>>>>>

  62. #62 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    Patricia, I’m sorry for the hard feelings. But I’m sure I’ve been called worse by better.

    Leigh, please try not to stifle inquisitiveness. The information I was about to obtain I would have made available to everyone. But I would ask you to explain the saltpeter. You lost me there.

  63. #63 David Marjanovi?, OM
    June 4, 2008

    So Kenny wasn’t PlanetKiller? Despite his obsession of NDEs and his denial of Muslim and Hindu ones?

    You are always welcome on my blog. But I’ve got to warn you. My commenters are not nice and forgiving like the ones here and I’m not a fuzzy teddy bear like PZ is.

    Wow. That’s “good cop, bad cop” as an art form!

    I fear that you can kill Kenny all you want and he’ll still show up in future episodes threads.

    Relax. You only live twice.

    Oh, sorry. Wrong nerdy cultural reference.

    Real nerds don’t watch Star Wars. Star Wars is part of a classical education.

  64. #64 CrypticLife
    June 4, 2008

    I don’t believe that man has ever been to law school!

    (obscure reference to Toy Story quote, where it was medical school instead of law school)

  65. #65 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    And I think that snide “jsn” (there’s another Jsn who occasionally posts who is not the same commenter) is also a Jinx morph. Note that “jason”, when “dsmvld”, becomes “jsn”.

    sounds too obvious, but you’re probably right.

  66. #66 Patricia C.
    June 4, 2008

    *gasp*! Oh my goodness! That’s right Windy – I forgot about the hot monkey sex…SORRY! Better tighten my corset, I’m starting to slip.

  67. #67 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    I missed that one barklikeadog. Wow. My head hurts.

  68. #68 Barklikeadog
    June 4, 2008

    Alex, saltpeter makes yer weenie wangle. It falls over and can’t stand up.

  69. #69 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    Did I hear coret?

  70. #70 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    I mean *corset*!?

  71. #71 Sven DiMilo
    June 4, 2008

    Owlmirror for Constable

  72. #72 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    I am so sorry I asked. Never again Barklikeadog. You win.

  73. #73 MikeM
    June 4, 2008

    Aw. No more Kenny. Boo hoo.

    I have no idea why, but… Well, I see various people are reminded of different things, and I’m reminded of a bumper-sticker I saw just the other day:

    “Heck is for people who don’t believe in Gosh.”

    I don’t know why it’s even appropriate to mention this here.

  74. #74 David Marjanovi?, OM
    June 4, 2008

    Thanks for the link, Etha (comment 14):

    I have to go to work now. I am sure I will be banned when I come back. Such as [sic!] life. I do want to say that I still want to show off some of the evidence that I am building and I will have to use Morphing in case I am banned to show that evidence.

    He is building evidence? He’s making it up and proud of that?

    “Stupidity,
    stupidity,
    stupidity,
    stupidity,
    …”

  75. #75 M
    June 4, 2008

    He’ll be back…

    As Kenny the White!

  76. #76 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    I think that’s a twist on:

    I don’t believe in God, I believe in Gosh. If you don’t believe in Gosh, you’ll be darned to heck.

  77. #77 David Marjanovi?, OM
    June 4, 2008

    Kenny the White!

    <snort>

    ROTFL!!!

  78. #78 Barklikeadog
    June 4, 2008

    Gosh darn it, what the heck are you talking about?

  79. #79 Brownian, OM
    June 4, 2008

    Kenny is gone?! There IS a Shiva!

    Kenny would have been so proud of me if he knew I opened my heart and listened, and Shiva spoke, and I heard him.

    I must be one of his 1 in 10. I feel so statistically insignificant!

  80. #80 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    Precisely.

  81. #81 Patricia C.
    June 4, 2008

    er…Alex calling a man a goat isn’t an insult. A goat is well known to be the naughtiest animal on the farm. FAR too naughty for me. :)

  82. #82 Sven DiMilo
    June 4, 2008

    By the way, while on the subject (on some other thread, maybe) of antediluvian pop-culture references, how many know what PZ’s title of this post refers to? Without Googling?

  83. #83 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    Well dammit Patricia why didn’t you just say that then?! Why all of the confusing livestock references?! I didn’t grow up on your farm! I don’t know these things! Anyway, I apologize for lashing out.

    So. What was that farm you grew up on?

  84. #84 Nick Gotts
    June 4, 2008

    Are you one of his sheep? I am. – Kenny, quoted by Barklikeadog

    This “sheep” motif in Christianity has long puzzled me. Sheep are notoriously stupid and cowardly animals; and the shepherd may protect them from wolves, but only because he wants to fleece them repeatedly, and eventually slaughter and eat them! Yet the Christian-in-the-pew seems quite oblivious to the connotations.

  85. #85 Barklikeadog
    June 4, 2008

    Yeah it was Jimmy on , uh I’ll get it, I can hear the song. Movin’ on up to the east side.. What the gosh heck was the name of that show?

  86. #86 Sastra
    June 4, 2008

    Yes, he was repetitious, but I thought Kenny had the 3 advantages of being sincere, (generally) polite, and capable of laying out some of the more common arguments we hear from ordinary, next-door-neighbor type Christians. Any atheist who hasn’t encountered — and learned to understand and counter — the Argument from Near Death Experiences, for example, is going to get waylaid unexpectedly in real life some day when they don’t have their computer, or informed colleagues, handy. The Kennies of the Internet deserve some credit I think for having the guts to enter hostile forums where they’re seriously outnumbered, and provide us with practice and examples on different ways to approach the same problem, with more or less finesse.

    So, in general, I don’t quite get the need for banning in cases like this. Those who wanted to talk to /argue with Kenny did so. Others (like myself) who were tired or uninterested skipped those posts. There are usually several threads running at a time, anyway. It’s not like Kenny was being loud and drowning out conversations.

    Of course, people were getting more and more abusive and nasty — Kenny included — so it probably ceased to be useful and just started forming bad habits.

  87. #87 Rosie Redfield
    June 4, 2008

    “Here come da judge” was a running gag on Rowan and Martin’s Laugh In. Worth watching now just to marvel at the young Goldie Hawn.

  88. #88 Ken Cope
    June 4, 2008

    Thanks Sven, for reminding me there would be people who not only wouldn’t know, they wouldn’t know what Laugh-In was a reference to. Sammy Davis Jr. and Flip Wilson both robed up for that bit. It was fun stuff to watch while waiting for episodes of The Prisoner.

    It was forty-one years ago today,
    Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play…

  89. #89 Sven DiMilo
    June 4, 2008

    “repititious”?
    “repititious”?
    “repititious”?
    “repititious”?
    “repititious”?
    “repititious”?

  90. #90 afarensis, FCD
    June 4, 2008

    By the way, while on the subject (on some other thread, maybe) of antediluvian pop-culture references, how many know what PZ’s title of this post refers to?

    A Flip Wilson character on the old Flip Wilson Show.

  91. #91 Sven DiMilo
    June 4, 2008

    i “e”
    i “e”
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    i “e”
    i “e”

  92. #92 Barklieadog
    June 4, 2008

    Sven, Flip Wilson on Laughin. Right?

  93. #93 MikeM
    June 4, 2008

    It’s a habit I learned from having kids. I mean, seriously, there are some things I don’t want to say around kids. I find myself saying, “Fffffffiddlesticks!” a lot.

    Thing is, though, the kids automatic translation devices are starting to mature, and they automatically translate “fiddlesticks” very accurately.

    Makes ‘em cry.

    Dag Nabbit.

  94. #94 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    It’s not like Kenny was being loud and drowning out conversations.

    that’s a matter of OPINION
    ;)

    (and yes, actually he was)

  95. #95 BoxerShorts
    June 4, 2008

    Woohoo! I haven’t been this excited since I shook Obama’s hand at the Xcel center last night!

    Actually… No. Obama’s got you beat, PZ. Sorry.

  96. #96 Sven DiMilo
    June 4, 2008

    Originally a guy named “Pigmeat” Something-or-other, but yeah, later Flip Wilson.
    Gol-ly I loved that show. The catch-phrases, Artie Johnson, Goldie Hawn in a bikini…

  97. #97 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    Sastra, you raise some good points. Perhaps warnings? But then again, he did equate PZ with Nazis.

  98. #98 Nick Gotts
    June 4, 2008

    Re #82. Rowan and Martin’s Laugh-In. I thought the humour rather patchy, but I never knowingly missed an episode – I really fancied Judy Carne! (Oh my gosh, I just googled Carne; she’s now 69.)

  99. #99 Sven DiMilo
    June 4, 2008

    I love the Google too:
    “Pigmeat” Markham was the guy’s name. Apparently it was part of his chitlin-circuit comedy act and got ripped off for Laugh-In by Sammy Davis Jr. Markham himself then did the schtick for the second (1968-69) season, and after that Wilson and others.
    Yeah, Judy Carne, also in a bikini…

  100. #100 Ken Cope
    June 4, 2008

    Wow, the second I read “Pigmeat,” my brain horked up “Pigmeat_Markham,” spelling and all. The wiki entry explains where Sammy Davis Jr. fit into the lineage. As for Laugh In? They used to have these things called Love Ins, from Sit Ins, or as Peter Bergman called them, Be Ins.

    If only I had any brain cycles available for anything other than useless trivial knowledge.

  101. #101 Brownian, OM
    June 4, 2008

    It’s not like Kenny was being loud and drowning out conversations.

    That wasn’t my experience, Sastra. I seem to recall many threads being derailed by the Ken-bot. The near 20-30 comments he added about the same stuff to nearly every thread (including defenses against his inanity by others) tended to bog things down.

    I’m all for disagreement, and I think it’s important that strong and weak theists contribute here. But when we’ve got commenters on every thread of length noting that they don’t have the time to read 200+ comments, do we need people like Kenny who contribute length and nothing else?

    He was a good source of dimwit creationism, but the population of individuals that think such arguments and consider them sufficient and compelling is sitting comfortably on the IUCN’s list under ‘Least Concern‘.

    We’re in no danger of running out, unfortunately.

  102. #102 hje
    June 4, 2008

    I come to bury Kenny, not to praise him;
    The stupidity that men blog lives after them,
    Common sense is oft interred with their bones,
    So let it be with Kenny … The noble PZ
    Hath told you Kenny was obnoxious:
    If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
    And grievously hath Kenny answered it …

  103. #103 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    Sastra, you raise some good points

    only if one entirely ignores all internet posting behavior, ever.

    It’s the same old canard:

    “If one ignores a troll, they’ll go away”

    which one, hardly anybody ever does, and two, on the rare occassions someone does, the troll inevitably does not go away.

    no, there is a point to reducing the endless noise on any given thread.

    there often IS actually useful information on various threads on this blog (which, btw, is one of the reasons I spend time here).

    having to wade through the sound and fury of “Kennybots” seriously hampers not only maintaining a thread of conversation, but actually locating useful information to begin with.

    Kenny’s NDE “arguments” were entirely refuted the very first day he made them.

    the endless repetition was nothing but noise.

    I couldn’t disagree more strongly with Sastra’s conclusion.

  104. #104 Sven DiMilo
    June 4, 2008

    By the way, my references to various highly skilled comediennes in bikinis should be read only to reflect the fact that during the program’s run from 1968-1973 I was ages 9-14.

  105. #105 Ken Cope
    June 4, 2008

    from 1968-1973 I was ages 9-14

    Why, ya young whippersnapper. 13-18

  106. #106 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    …as an addendum, one of the reasons I spend so little time over on Panda’s thumb is the absolute refusal of the contributors there to bounce the endless noise, whereupon the threads degenerate inevitably into people poking monkeys with sticks.

    actually, it’s even worse than that, as the most prolific contributor, Pim, often goes off on multiple post conversations with people who represent little more than complete insanity.

    One or two comments is fine, but spending pages and pages trying to seriously address the ramblings of a schizophrenic is hardly useful to anybody.

    Just to be clear:

    Given the choice of playing games mocking Kenny, or seeing his departure MUCH sooner, I would ALWAYS choose the early exit over the fun of poking them with sticks.

  107. #107 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    Ichthyic @ 103,

    I was more referring to kennies being used as practice. That’s more what I agreed with. I think it is good to be exposed to their arguments and techniques. Although, as you point out, and has been pointed out by others, there comes a point when nothing more productive develops and the thread gets clogged with their incessant repetition. What crossed my mind was a way for these posters to be marked somehow, visually next to their handle, as ban-pending, or something.

    My intention wasn’t to necessarily dispute PZ dumping him specifically.

  108. #108 ThirdMonkey
    June 4, 2008

    Ah, Laugh-in. I’m told that my Grandfather loved that show…

    I was -7 to -1 years old…

    So long Kenny. No longer will I be able to kill time by reading your posts. I guess I’m just going to have to find something productive to do instead. :(

  109. #109 The MadPanda
    June 4, 2008

    Awwww. Kenny fall down, go boom.

    (looks sadly into his empty back of bamboo chips)

    Ah, well. Won’t take too long for the next annoyance, that’s for sure. That they might learn better is too much to hope for. (This would leave more time for discussing of the science and not so much wasting of bandwidth wrestling with teh burning stooooopid!)

    Unfortunately, the brains are not so engaged while the fingers are keyboarding.

    The MadPanda, FCD

  110. #110 Glen Davidson
    June 4, 2008

    OTOH, I never did understand the point of answering Kenny, or anyway, more than a couple short answers and a “fuck off, moron.”

    PZ stopped the troll feeding, but conceivably it would not have been necessary…

    Just saying.

    Glen D
    http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

  111. #111 Sastra
    June 4, 2008

    Ichthyic #103 wrote:

    I couldn’t disagree more strongly with Sastra’s conclusion.

    You and Brownian make a good case that the number of Kenny’s posts had gotten out of hand. Okay. I didn’t read all the way through every thread, but it seemed to me that most of the Kenny-stuff wasn’t coming directly from Kenny, but from people arguing with Kenny. Voluntarily.

    I just don’t have that much trouble “wading through” posts I’m not interested in. I don’t even have to click open the email to see what it’s about. Others may find it more irritating. At any rate, he’s banned and doesn’t seem to be much mourned. Au contraire.

    Years ago I used to help monitor an atheist chat room, and we would have the same problem with regulars who came in specifically to argue. About half the atheists were appalled that we AOPs would let a creationist or an Objectivist or a presupper go on and on against us — and the other half seemed to live for the sheer joy of going after a ‘real live virtual’ target while in a safe and friendly forum for a change. So what do you do? Tell the folks who are happy that other people are having trouble concentrating? Online?

    I think I was a bad Op. Too easy. If you were at least trying to make some sort of half-baked argument, dragging in some sort of flimsy evidence, and doing both in a way that was semi-coherent and borderline responsive, I wouldn’t kick you. Of course, it was IRC, and the alternative to watching a lame religious debate was yet another argument over Ginger vs. Mary Ann or Kirk vs. Picard.

  112. #112 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    What crossed my mind was a way for these posters to be marked somehow, visually next to their handle, as ban-pending, or something.

    it has often been proposed that scienceblogs adopt a model similar to that of slashdot, that allows comments to be voted up or down.

    I’m 50% on that one, as I can see how it would eliminate a lot of the noise, but it also makes threads much harder to peruse if one is coming late into a thread.

    frankly, PZ has a pretty good record of reacting to abusive posters like Kenny, and it “works well enough”.

  113. #113 Sven DiMilo
    June 4, 2008

    But Glen, the thing(s) is/are:
    a. You can’t get everybody to ignore trolls like Kenny who just kept on serving up the big steaming platters of stoopid. The SIWOTI effect is too powerful.
    b. Kenny in particular was clearly not going to go away even if ignored. I suppose there’s always the killfile installation, but short of that he was really munging this place up in a noisome fashion.
    Good riddance.

  114. #114 E.J. Thribb
    June 4, 2008

    So. Farewell then
    Kenny.
    You predicted you would be banned,
    And now
    You have been.
    Maybe that prediction
    And its fulfillment
    Prove that there is a God
    Who whispers
    In your ear.
    Or maybe not.

    E.J. Thribb (17 1/2)

  115. #115 Glen Davidson
    June 4, 2008

    You can’t get everybody to ignore trolls like Kenny who just kept on serving up the big steaming platters of stoopid. The SIWOTI effect is too powerful.

    Sure. Was just hoping that more would, if goaded.

    Glen D
    http://tinyurl.com/2kxyc7

  116. #116 Alan Kellogg
    June 4, 2008

    May I never be too proud to admit there are times I cannot explain what I know.

    May I never be too proud to admit to being wrong when I am wrong.

    May I never be too proud to acknowledge I do not know everything, and shall never know everything.

    May I never be too proud to learn from others, even those who are mistaken. For one can learn from the errors of others.

    May I never be too proud to correct my errors.

    May I never be too proud to laugh at myself.

  117. #117 NobodyKilledKenny
    June 4, 2008

    Wll s mch fr tlrnc nd rsn.

    lstnd t PZ Myrs nd h ws jst bng jrk.
    Thr rlly sn’t scnc fr tht. Y jst b s gnrnt nd s fll f ht s y cn pssbly b.

    Scnc s grt thng nd hs bsltly nthng t d wth mltnt thsm.

    gnrnc s nt grt thng. Mltnt thsm s gnrnc t ts wrs nd ths hmnty t ts wrst.

    Thr s rsn tht scntsts rjct PZ Myrs dlngs wth rlgn. H s hstl nd ntlrnt.

    t s ky t hv pssn bt scnc. m rlly xctd bt xplrng spc nd fndng mnrls nd chngng thr prprts nd fndng t wht s pssbl. wnt t xplr dffrnt dmnsns f th mmbrn thry f Qntm physcs. wnt t sk t nw trtmnts fr cncr nd ds rsrch.

    W cn d ll f ths thngs n scnc nd nt hv t b sbjctd by th bgtry f PZ Myrs nd hs ntlrnt f ppl tht r ntllgnt tht blv n hghr pwr nd n ftrlf.

    Wht s s wrng n blvng tht thr r thr dmnsns thn ths wrld nd thr r ntllgncs t thr tht r nt f r wn?

    Wht s wrng bt ppl wh hv dd nd hv sn rltvs nd ppl thy dd nt knw nd fnd t ltr tht th prsn tht thy sw ws n ncl tht hd dd bfr thy wr brn? Ths ppl gv dtld dscrptns f thngs gng n n ths wrld rght ftr thy r dd (t wld b mpssbl t d ths, f lf dd nt g n ftr y d). Ths sn’t myth bsd fct, ths r ctl ccnts frm ppl wh dd. Mst whch hv sd thy hv sn lght tht s s brght tht t wld cnsm nyn wh s lv nd ths lght ws Gd.

    Why s t wrng t thnk tsd f th bx? Qntm Physcs wr lghd t by scntsts n th 1970′s nd nw t s bsclly tkn s fct.

    Why s t s wrng t lv scnc nd lv Gd?

    Why s t tht ppl thnk Scnc s mr thn tl bt s th ltmt mns t n nd? r wrld f lmtd fssl fls s nt gng t chng tht drstclly tht scnc wll hv n nswr t prblms tht r frm hmns.

    W hv glbl wrmng nd whl scnc cn hlp slv th ss, hmnty wll lwys b n th wy. t s nrlstc t thnk scnc s nythng mr thn grt tl fr hmnty.

    Scnc s grt tl nd f sd prprly cn chng lt f thngs n ths wrld fr gd. Hwvr, hmnty s t hs n th pst wll lwys b n th wy.

    f scnc s t hlp s physclly wth th prblms n ths nvrs, thn rlgn cn hlp s sprtlly. Thy dn’t hv t cnflct. Thy cn bth b pstv drvs t hlp hmnty. f rlgn llws s t hlp n nthr nd hlp s gv t thr ppl t wll nt b smthng tht s slss. f t hlps s t nhnc r lvs by lv nd gvng f rslvs fr thr ppl nd llwng s t prgrss tht wy, sn’t tht ky t?

    Sr, thr r mny ppl tht prvrt rlgn nd scnc (htlr wth hs ryn rc fr xmpl). Hmnty s whl s flwd. Hwvr, thrgh scnc fr nvntng wys t hlp ppl grw fd fr lrgr ppltn nd rlgn thrgh hlpng ppl lnd hnd t thr ppl nd mk dffrnc n thr lvs bth cn b bnft t th hmn rc.

    rlly jst cn’t s hw ll f ths s bd thng. rlly dn’t.

    lv y wth ths:

    http://www.td.cm/tlks/vw/d/229

    Ths s vry fnny nd mtnl tlk t TD. TD s tchnlgy/scntfc cnfrnc tht lv nd slly hs sm f th mst xctng thngs tht r nw r ntrstng. Wtch ths vd, ths s scntst tht hd strk nd twrds th nd sh wll gt vry mtnl bcs sh sw th thr sd nd sh xplns t lk scntst wld bt sng hr mtns. Th fct tht scntst gts xtrmly mtnl bt smthng thr thn scnc tlls m thr smthng mr hr. lt mr tht w r mssng t n.

  118. #118 alex
    June 4, 2008

    he was always fond of near death experiences.

  119. #119 Sven DiMilo
    June 4, 2008

    Jeez, that didn’t take long. (When it gets deleted, let the record show that there was a comment #117 from El Kenno hisself).
    It’s all I can do to restrain myself from answering the stoopid…

  120. #120 Patricia C.
    June 4, 2008

    #112 & #113 – I agree, it was time for him to go. He was pushed into the corner so far he couldn’t get out without biting. I predict the end of Kenny will be far less ‘bloody’ than the end of the tattler.

  121. #121 KillerChihuahua
    June 4, 2008

    It may be like a season of SouthPark – he’ll have to be killed again each episode for a while.

  122. #122 Benjamin Franklin
    June 4, 2008

    “He that would live in peace & at ease,

    Must not speak all he knows, nor judge all he sees”

    - Benjamin Franklin
    .
    .

  123. #123 Patricia C.
    June 4, 2008

    OK PZ, I got a fiver bet with the husband on this – IS it actually Kenny? Or Brenda/Kenny?

  124. #124 MandyDax
    June 4, 2008

    Just to make sure Brenda (or anyone else) doesn’t misconstrue any of the pop culture references above, I’ve gathered them together with links to help explain them.

    #4:Shaden Freud

    Oh my God, he killed Kenny!

    #10:chancelikely

    You bastards!

    Kenny McCormick is a character on Comedy Central’s “South Park,” an animated comedy show portraying the antics of four third- (now fourth-) graders in the Colorado town of South Park. During the first few seasons of the series, it was traditional that Kenny would be killed, at which point his friends Stan and Kyle would respond with “Oh, my God! They killed Kenny! You bastards!” Kenny would always return in the next episode. At one point they “really” killed Kenny and he did not return to the series for a couple of seasons. Please see: Kenny McCormick – Deaths

    #12:Barklikeadog

    I know you are but what am I?

    This is a reference to a Pee-Wee Herman catchphrase. Pee-Wee Herman was a character in a few movies and on the television show “Pee-Wee’s Playhouse.” He was portrayed by Paul Reubens. When someone called Pee-Wee a name, told him he was being silly, etc., he would respond with this, repeating it each time until his foil gave up. Please see: Paul Reubens

    #18:Duncan

    Expelled!

    Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed is a “documentary” starring Ben Stein, which claims that Intelligent Design proponents are being expelled from the scientific community. The scientific community, along with most neutral critics of the film have seen that this is a work of propaganda by creationists to denounce the Theory of Evolution through the use of argumentum ad Hitlerum and other types of fallacy. A huge irony of the film is that PZ Myers, author of the blog Pharyngula and a professor of biology at the University of Minnesota, Morris, who was interviewed for the film, was kicked out of line at the Mall of America when he went to see a free screening. The producer of the film didn’t want him there, and so expelled him. Please see: Expelled

    #28:Zeno

    “If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine!”

    This is a line from the movie Star Wars: A New Hope spoken by protagonist Obi-Wan “Ben” Kenobi to the evil Darth Vader. Vader kills Kenobi, and Luke Skywalker, seeing this, goes into a frenzy whereby he and his comrades are able to escape the Death Star, a small-moon-sized space station with the capability to destroy worlds. Please see: Obi-Wan Kenobi – A New Hope

    Wow, I’m sure I missed some and there are probably more after these, but I’m gonna take a lunch, nom nom nom. Please see: I Can Has Cheezburger? – Nom nom nom

  125. #125 Wowbagger
    June 4, 2008

    I think it was Kenny’s time to go. All he did was spray the same poorly-written rubbish over and over again and never bothered to explain any of his points when challenged.

    His value-to-space ratio was far too low. If he had at least learned brevity then my opinion might be different.

  126. #126 NobodyKilledKenny
    June 4, 2008

    >I agree, it was time for him to go. He was pushed into the
    >corner so far he couldn’t get out without biting.

    cld nly b pshd nt crnr wth smthng tht s rsnbl nd tht mks sns. Snc y cn’t pssbly ndrstnd cmmn sns spps tht t ws y tht ws pshd nt crnr.

    cn’t pssbly nswr ll th psts drctd twrds m nd stll hv lf. t wld tk m wks t cl ppl n bt thr gnrnc.

    Y cn’t lrn cmmn sns. Y cn’t lrn t b rtnl. Y cn lrn t trt ppl wth rspct vn thgh y dn’t gr wth thm.

    Ths frm s nt bt scnc bt bt rlgn bshng sng scnc s n xcs.

    Scnc s bttr thn tht. m bttr thn tht.

    Ths s my lst pst hr. Hv gd wk.

  127. #127 JeffreyD
    June 4, 2008

    “This is my last post here. Have a good week.” Bets on this being a lie?

    Ciao

  128. #128 Dan
    June 4, 2008

    This is my last post here. Have a good week.

    Posted by: NobodyKilledKenny

    There’s tissue by the door.

  129. #129 JimCH
    June 4, 2008

    If comments #117 & #125 really are the infamous “Kenny” then I’m sorry I’ve arrived too late. I’m not convinced it’s not a gag though. Nobody so deficient as to punch out these two comments could actually be at functional level high enough to navigate the internet, could they?

  130. #130 Patricia C.
    June 4, 2008

    Then you aren’t the true Kenny almighty. You said you could prove god. I said if you trot the old boy out I will believe. False prophet.
    Looks like my fiver is safe.

  131. #131 S.Scott
    June 4, 2008

    You have more people banned than have ever visited my blog! LoL! :-)

  132. #132 Owlmirror
    June 4, 2008

    I’m not convinced it’s not a gag though. Nobody so deficient as to punch out these two comments could actually be at functional level high enough to navigate the internet, could they?

    You haven’t seen any of the Dennis Markuze postings, have you?

    Believe me, you have not seen the depths of human mental defectiveness that can still nevertheless operate a computer.

  133. #133 Crudely Wrott
    June 4, 2008

    What? You say Kenny has hit the windshield? Ahhhh, poor boy.

    I suppose he brought it all upon himself but I had something I was hoping to say to him if I could catch him posting again. And now that chance is gone. Just as well, though. I’d quite forgotten what it was I wanted to say.

    Farewell, Kenny, and thanks for the grins.

    E Pluribus Unum

  134. #134 astroande
    June 4, 2008

    I’m relatively new to Pharyngula, so I took a look at the list of the banned and the comments that got them sent to the Dungeon. Woo boy, that’s a whole lot of stupid and crazy right there.

  135. #135 Patricia C.
    June 4, 2008

    The ‘real’ Kenny would have replied to my kind post at ‘My crimes are being documented’ #217, wherein I agree to believe with you, with nothing more than a simple re-enactment required.
    Now, sadly, I’m doomed to hell. But I keep the fiver. ;)

  136. #136 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    You can’t learn common sense.

    what, exactly, is “common sense” BUT a reaction to consistent previous information that informs your next reaction to similar circumstances? Indeed, “common sense” is learned.

    You can’t learn to be rational

    projecting again, and for the last time.

    I picture Kenny playing Maj. T.J. ‘King’ Kong as he rides the bomb at the end of Dr. Strangelove.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G3D-v1ze3Co

  137. #137 Dan
    June 4, 2008

    Now, sadly, I’m doomed to hell. But I keep the fiver. ;)

    Posted by: Patricia C.

    I’ll let you buy me a beer with that shiny, little fiver there, pretty lady.

  138. #138 Wowbagger
    June 4, 2008

    #125 possibly Kenny (though i’m suspicious; the writing’s a bit more coherent with fewer spelling and grammar errors) wrote:

    This forum is not about science but about religion bashing using science as an excuse.

    I’m not a scientist by profession, but I am an empiricist and a naturalist. I come here rather than, say, Panda’s Thumb, because I like the philosophical tone – I get lost when people start throwing things like gene sequences around.

    This site, from my perspective, is mostly about using science to combat anti-science like creationism, ID and a great deal of other viewpoints based upon religious perspectives. That the people who wish to contribute to this process are the same people who have an active distaste for religion is unsurprising to me.

    They aren’t bashing religion using science as an excuse – they’re bashing it using science as a tool. Which is what science, as far as I’m concerned, is for. Carl Sagan described it as a candle in the dark – and that’s probably the best analogy I’ve heard.

  139. #139 NobodyKilledKenny
    June 4, 2008

    Prjctn s jst n xcs n wht s th trth. Blw vrythng ff s strwmn rgmnts nd prjctn.

    Typcl crp frm thsts wh wnt t vd th rl sss.

    Th thng s tht th thsts n hr ffr nthng nw n thsnds f yrs. Thy cn’t dl wth th trth nd s th wrd prjctn t try dflct th bsrvtn.

    t’s jst nthr wy t sy Dmg Cntrl.

  140. #140 Dan
    June 4, 2008

    Oh Kenny. You’re adorable. I just want to fold you up and tuck you in my pocket.

  141. #141 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    It’s just another way to say Damage Control.

    I thought you were done:

    #125: This is my last post here.

    they’re right, it really is the Southpark Kenny!

    it must be killed over and over and over again.

  142. #142 Crudely Wrott
    June 4, 2008

    Zat you, Kenny? What are you doing here?

    “That the people who wish to contribute to this process are the same people who have an active distaste for religion is unsurprising to me.”

    Wowbagger says it well, and thank you, friend. Your mention of Sagan causes me to recall the compassion that he had for his fellow man. And his tenacious defense of science as our chief tool. Hence the combination of glee and melancholy that I feel as I bid Kenny a (now) tentative goodbye. Or maybe “see ya later, bub” might be more applicable.

  143. #143 Steve_C
    June 4, 2008

    Yep. After his “last hurrah” up there… not gonna miss him.

    A man claiming to know all about god pointing at us and talking about common sense and ignorance? Yeah, I’ve seen enough of that.

  144. #144 BoxerShorts
    June 4, 2008

    This is my last post here.

    You’re a lying sack of crap, you’re a lying sack of crap, you’re a lying, steaming, stinking scheming sack of liquid crap!

  145. #145 jeffox
    June 4, 2008

    Say g’nite, Kenny!
    :)

  146. #146 Tom
    June 4, 2008

    Well, hell, and just when I was going to nominate Kenny for the next Order of Molly.

  147. #147 Wowbagger
    June 4, 2008

    I call Poe on NobodyKilledKenny.

    Nothing new in thousands of years? No-one’s that stupid.

  148. #148 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    Did I miss all the “proof of god”???!!! Oh my. I must read. Thank you thank you thank you kenny!! I’m going to go look back through the thread now so I may finally find the Lord!!

  149. #149 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    I dunno, but I think BoxerShorts is trying to tell you something, Kennybot.

    I can’t quite make it out; I wish he’d be more clear…

    :p

  150. #150 Steve_C
    June 4, 2008

    I guess he’s saying no one has proven that god doesn’t exist, since he was conceived.

  151. #151 Gizmo
    June 4, 2008

    That Kenny, he is like some sort of non-giving up school guy.
    He even says he won’t post again and shortly thereafter, he posts another one.

    How can we miss ye, Kenny, if you won’t go away?

  152. #152 Patricia C.
    June 4, 2008

    Well thankyou Dan, chivelry is not dead on Pharyngula… but unless you live across the street from me, by the time I loosen my corset enough to ride, leather up, make excuses to the husband & kick over the old shovelhead to ride to the bar of your choice with my fiver – you’re gonna be a mighty thirsty man.

  153. #153 Tom
    June 4, 2008

    Reading up through the thread I was struck this time by “Kenny” or his surrogate or whatever at #117. This got me:

    I am really excited about exploring space and finding minerals and changing their properties

    Seriously, Kenny? I mean, can you spin straw into gold?

  154. #154 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    Wait a minute. Where’s the proofs??! Kenny! Post them dude quick!!! Before, well you know, that mean ole’ PZ bans you again!

  155. #155 jase
    June 4, 2008

    Aww, widdle Kenny got his feewings hurt, cuz he had to sit in the naughty chair.
    “Typical crap from atheists who want to avoid the real issues.’
    why Kenny id you type this. My, my, such LANGUAGE.. One day you’ll learn that your logic is flawed and your reasoning ability is rather juvenile, but hey, perhaps you’ll grow up someday. Adios widdle buckeroo!

  156. #156 Dennis N
    June 4, 2008

    I say let Kenny have one last thread, for old time’s sake. Just don’t let him in on any new threads from here on out. That seems fair to me. It’s not like this thread is getting gunked up by him.

  157. #157 Alex
    June 4, 2008

    I say shove a pineapple up Kenny’s anus.

  158. #158 Tosser
    June 4, 2008

    Links to Kenny’s comments, please?!

  159. #159 Brownian, OM
    June 4, 2008

    NobodyKilledKenny:

    Follow the white light, fuckhead, follow the white light.

  160. #160 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    Links to Kenny’s comments, please?!

    just type his name in the search field in the upper left.

  161. #161 Owlmirror
    June 4, 2008

    I say let Kenny have one last thread, for old time’s sake.

    I disagree.

    He doesn’t ever say anything new.

    He’s boring, inane, and absolutely unwilling to analyze his own arguments, or listen to anyone else.

    He’s a self-serving narcissist with a martyr complex. He has no idea how to think or reason. He fails in every way to even try to support his points. He’s irritatingly passive-aggressive. His writing style is like fingernails on a blackboard.

    DO.
    NOT.
    WANT.

  162. #162 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    Follow the white light, fuckhead, follow the white light.

    “This house is clean”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o07qRVETglQ

  163. #163 Owlmirror
    June 4, 2008

    Links to Kenny’s comments, please?!

    just type his name in the search field in the upper left.

    Actually, this:

    “Posted by: Kenny”

    And for that matter, this:

    “Posted by: Planet Killer”

    Would be more accurate.

  164. #164 windy
    June 4, 2008

    “Here come da judge again”

    This must be that judicial activism Walton was talking about!

  165. #165 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    LOL

    yup.

  166. #166 jase
    June 4, 2008

    …and they were forced to eat Kenny…and there was much rejoicing. BTW was Kenny Catholic? or was the Shroud o’Turin nonsense some evangelist driven hoakum?
    Obviously his mother was a hamster and his father smelled of elderberries, so I fart in his general direction -Pig dog.

  167. #167 Patricia C.
    June 4, 2008

    That’s not Kenny. He would have answered my challenge, especially since I used no dirty words, was nice to him, and offered a gawd “do-able” list. The worst Kenny would have done is offer an excuse – like too much proof.
    This is a troll squared. He doesn’t even want converts.

  168. #168 NobodyKilledKenny
    June 4, 2008

    >This site, from my perspective, is mostly about using
    >science to combat anti-science like creationism, ID and a
    >great deal of other viewpoints based upon religious
    >perspectives. That the people who wish to contribute to
    >this process are the same people who have an active
    >distaste for religion is unsurprising to me.

    Dn’t y thnk ths blg shld b bt blgy nd nt rlgn bshng? Y dn’t hv t gr wth thr ppl nd y cn mv n nd tlk bt blgy. Thr s n rsn ppl hv t pt thr ppl dwn. Hv dn t? Sr bcs t s wll dsrvd hr. Nbdy wh hs rlgs pnt f vw cn pst wtht gttng bshd.

    Rgrdlss f wht thr ppl thnk. dd nt cm hr t wst my tm trllng. ws n my wy t lrn bt scnc n scnc blgs whn sw ppl jst dng ndlss bshng f rlgn.

    Sr, thr r ppl tht r pshng D. Hwvr, m nt n f thm nd dsgr wth tht. Hwvr, th lck f tlrnc nd bshng s rlntlss n hr.

    D gr wth th Bbl n Crtn? Sr. Hwvr blv scnc mst b hrd nd D shld sty t f schls. Lt scnc b scnc nd rlgn b rlgn.

    My fth bt Gd ds nt nvlv whthr Crtnsm/vltn s tr r fls. t dsn’t mttr. My fth nd ndrstndng s bynd ll f ths.

    D ht ll dctrs bcs my bst frnd wnt n t gt mjr srgry dn nd h dd wk th srgry? N, dn’t.

    S why cn’t ppl b dlts bt thngs nd nt blm vrythng ppl wh r rlgs?

  169. #169 Dale Husband
    June 4, 2008

    OK, it seems I never took notice of this Kenny, until PZ Myers banned him from this forum, so I’m curious as to what he did to earn PZ’s wrath. Now, William Wallace was indeed a loon, as was David Mabus and ForTheKids. Those trolls I know of, but not Kenny.

  170. #170 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    actually, Tangina had some pretty good quotes in Poltergeist:

    http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0010404/quotes

    Now clear your minds. It knows what scares you. It has from the very beginning. Don’t give it any help, it knows too much already.

  171. #171 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008
  172. #172 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    I’m curious as to what he did to earn PZ’s wrath

    lazy.

    do a search, and then think:

    Insipidity

  173. #173 MAJeff, OM
    June 4, 2008

    HUZZAH! HUZZAH!

    Damn, I go to teach a class and miss all the fun.

    But remember, it’ll be back.

  174. #174 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    But remember, it’ll be back.

    of course, didn’t Poltergeist have at least 2 sequels?

  175. #175 Steve_C
    June 4, 2008

    I get it. I get it.

    Kenny wants special dispensation for his brand of mythology and delusion.

    What he doesn’t get is we’re an equal opportunity mocker/basher/demolisher.

    Bring any woo/myth/nonsense on here and it gets pummeled. You’re not special Kenny.
    You’re actually very typical.

    We treated you no differently than the Seazoria nutcase or any of the others that bring their stupid religion or new age whackness.

  176. #176 Patricia C.
    June 4, 2008

    This isn’t even a good imitation. Kenny would remember his promises and boasts.
    Ban this thing PZ. I want some fresh air in the morning.
    Bed time for old gals. :)

  177. #177 Zeno
    June 4, 2008

    NobodyKilledKenny: Don’t you think this blog should be about biology and not religion bashing?

    The blog is obviously about whatever PZ wants it to be about. To complain what it “ought” to be about it a thoroughly pointless waste of time. (Almost as foolish as taking time to point out how pointless it is.)

  178. #178 Dan
    June 4, 2008

    Don’t you think this blog should be about biology and not religion bashing?

    Posted by: NobodyKilledKenny

    Now, you’re just being pathetic, Kenny.

    This blog can be about whatever the hell the blog author (PZ) wants it to be about.

    Aside from that, there actually is a lot of Biology here. You’re just too busy whimpering on the threads mocking creotards to notice.

  179. #179 Dan
    June 4, 2008

    I think we’re supposed to have a beer or something for the simulpost, Zeno.

  180. #180 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    I took Owlmirror’s challenge.

    PK also claimed to be from CA

    also claimed atheism as religion

    also claimed PZ was doing science as religion

    still searching for the NDE references, which would entirely clinch it.

    *bing*

    post #93 in this thread:

    http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/04/god_must_really_hate_black_peo.php

    Do I believe in God because my parents told me that there is one? No.
    You could discount the Bible out of the evidence and I would still believe.
    Why?
    Because, I believe in eyewitness evidence. If you look at all the people that have had Near Death experiences and afterdeath communication, they all report back that there is something beyond this existance. Not only that but there is a bunch of scientific studies about these that exist (google is your friend). Near Death is different than out of body and they make that distinction in the studies.
    Now, I know what you are going to say that this is all in their mind that is creating this. Well, in a lot of the studies the people having this are brain dead. In other words there is no activity being registered by the brain during these studies.

    yup. Owl is correct.

    PK is Kenny.

    as if we needed another reason the fool was banned, add morphing to the list.

  181. #181 MAJeff, OM
    June 4, 2008

    This is my last post here. Have a good week.
    F.O.A.D.

  182. #182 MAJeff, OM
    June 4, 2008

    PK is Kenny.=herpes

  183. #183 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    PK is Kenny.=herpes

    more like some species of Giardia.

    http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dpd/parasites/Giardiasis/factsht_giardia.htm

  184. #184 Rick R
    June 4, 2008

    #179- Hot damn! That proves it!

  185. #185 Owlmirror
    June 4, 2008

    There are plenty of blogs are are purely about biology. Anyone can enjoy Not Exactly Rocket Science, Tetrapod Zoology, and of course, The Loom.

    “Kenny”/”Planet Killer”/”NobodyKilledKenny”/whatever the fuck your real name is, start your own damn blog. Write about NDEs and God killing everyone on the planet, and whatever else your diseased mind can come up with. Go nuts.

    No-one here will stop you. No-one here will censor you. No-one here will call for you to be put in jail or killed for your hate speech against homosexuals, or whatever other insane ideas you want to spout.

    Just go away, create your own blog, and post there.

  186. #186 Rawley
    June 4, 2008

    Heheh, Tim Skirvin used to use my BBS back in the early nineties.

  187. #187 Azkyroth
    June 4, 2008

    For God’s sake, somebody tell Alex about saltpeter, or masturbation, or real girls. Or maybe the Craig’s List personals.

    Alex, son, this is NOT the Craig’s List personals, in case you haven’t noticed.

    Someone tell Leigh about facetiousness.

  188. #188 Barklikeadog
    June 4, 2008

    Hey Kenny or notdedkenny, Stay dead. Go away. Shoo. Be gone. We don’t like you, we’ll find another drummer. Kenny, I lied. I don’t really miss you. Go grab Waltons hand and take him to the light with you. Maybe Brenda can blow you both too. She is after all a….Oh never mind.

    Kenny, You stupid tard. SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY!

  189. #189 The Black Atheist
    June 4, 2008

    Guys like Kenny should really start their own blogs…it’s a way to spew whatever nonsense you like, whenever you like and discuss it with whomever you like.

  190. #190 Dale Husband
    June 4, 2008

    Ah, I finally found some comments by Kenny. Yep, he was an idiot. You’d have to be to quote the Bible and think that could be convincing to most of us. Why waste the time?

    And NobodyKilledKenny must also be Kenny. Just as ignorant, just as dishonest.

  191. #191 Wowbagger
    June 4, 2008

    Kenny-doesn’t-take-a-hint wrote:

    Do I hate all doctors because my best friend went in to get major surgery done and he died a week the surgery? No, I don’t.

    The bigger question is do you hate god for that? If I believed in a being that was omni-max (as god is presented to be) and had spent my life worshipping him and defending him and his adherents again meanie atheists on blogs, I’d be a bit pissed that he let my best friend die when he could have done something about it.

    I guess your god doesn’t love you very much at all, does he?

  192. #192 Owlmirror
    June 4, 2008

    Do I hate all doctors because my best friend went in to get major surgery done and he died a week the surgery?

    Is that it?

    Is that why you fear death so much? Because you watched it happen; because you saw someone you knew well die?

    Is that why you absolutely need for there to be proof that there is an afterlife?

    What the HELL makes you think that you are the only one who has ever known grief and loss and fear of death?
    What the HELL makes you think that your grief and pain are so important that they can change the way reality works?

    NDEs are imaginary.
    They are not real.
    They are dreams.

    Wake UP already.

  193. #193 Charlie Foxtrot
    June 4, 2008

    Sweet jumpin jewish jebus!
    Its like the end of a B-grade horror.
    How many times does this corpse have to be shot down before it stays down?

  194. #194 NobodyKilledKenny
    June 4, 2008

    >The bigger question is do you hate god for that? If I
    >believed in a being that was omni-max (as god is presented
    >to be) and had spent my life worshipping him and defending
    >him and his adherents again meanie atheists on blogs, I’d
    >be a bit pissed that he let my best friend die when he
    >could have done something about it.

    >I guess your god doesn’t love you very much at all, does
    >he?

    No, it was his time to go. When I die I am going to have a party because I know where I am going. I am fine with it. :) I will just miss him.

    I will have unlimited potential and be free from this limited body.

    I still want to live for right now because I have some cool stuff that I want to do here on earth, but I am excited about leaving this planet for a much better life.

    I believe in those people that die and come back and they said there is God and Heaven and all that. It all makes sense. Why wouldn’t it be better beyond this school we call life?

    You believe this life is the end. Well, it isn’t. It’s only the begining. :) :) :) :) :)

    Who do I believe? An atheist with an agenda or someone (well actually millions) who actually died and came back to tell about it? LOL hard question there really! NOT!

    If you really knew what heaven is like. I mean really knew, you would not want to stay on this earth.

    I believe it is real from the evidence that I have found and even from NPR they had a scientist on doing scientific research and I would imagine using a scientific method to see if this is real. There are too many people having these NDE’s for this not to be real.

    So, in reality I have more than faith now. I feel that I have actual evidence and we are on the border of getting even more evidence that can be proven at least in scientific terms from the point of view that you live on beyond death.

    What seems to be happening is that our eyes are limited here and can only see limited colors and light. However, in this other dimension we can see more colors, light, shadow and we can see a lot better than our best eyes can see here.

    What I also find interesting is that ideas related to that of the M-theory or membrane theory which has dimensions right on top of the other seperated by membranes could have it’s own physics properties and it’s own worlds. Quantum Physics just gives me goosebumps all over. This stuff is awesome!

    It seems from what people are saying that we are more than just a physical body, but we are a form of energy and we cannot see this energy in our own dimension. However it exists in another they we cannot yet see.

    When millions of people are telling me that there is something beyond this life and they give detailed descriptions of what happened while they are dead and doctors and nurses are freaking out because that is what happened this tells me it is real and goes well beyond faith and so called myths.

    I challenge everyone on here to at least crack your mind open slightly and do your own research.

  195. #195 BoxerShorts
    June 4, 2008

    What? NobodyKilledKenny is still here? Whatever happened to

    [i]“This is my last post here.”[/i]

    ????

    You’re a lying sack of crap, you’re a lying sack of crap, you’re a lying, steaming, stinking, scheming sack of liquid crap!

  196. #196 Dan
    June 4, 2008

    I challenge everyone on here to at least crack your mind open slightly and do your own research.

    Posted by: NobodyKilledKenny

    What makes you believe we haven’t done the research?

  197. #197 Rey Fox
    June 4, 2008

    He’s doin’ it again! He’s talking the kind of talk that is the start of every genocidal movement, like, ever! He’s gonna kill us!

  198. #198 Steve_C
    June 4, 2008

    Fucking hell!

    Learn a little about neuroscience and psychology.
    THEN maybe you’ll understand what utter bullshit you’re spouting.

    Another godbot that fears death so much he’ll except any fairy tale
    that tells him it never has to end.

    Don’t even get me started on quantum mechanics and “consciousness”,

  199. #199 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    I will have unlimited potential and be free from this limited body.

    now all you need to do is test that hypothesis.

    *looks around*

    will this lead pipe do?

  200. #200 Rey Fox
    June 4, 2008

    “and even from NPR they had a scientist on doing scientific research and I would imagine using a scientific method to see if this is real.”

    Time to pack it up, folks. Kenny’s got three times more science than we do.

  201. #201 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    I will have unlimited potential and be free from this limited body.

    “If you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine.”

  202. #202 Ichthyic
    June 4, 2008

    He’s doin’ it again! He’s talking the kind of talk that is the start of every genocidal movement, like, ever! He’s gonna kill us!

    hmm, death… or listening to an endless parade of Kennybot’s rambling insanity.

    tough choice.

  203. #203 BoxerShorts
    June 4, 2008

    “and even from NPR they had a scientist on doing scientific research and I would imagine using a scientific method to see if this is real.”

    I seem to recall Stephen Colbert once beginning a ridiculous assertion with the phrase “Scientists have proven, one assumes…”

    The only difference is that Colbert actually knew he was being funny.

  204. #204 Zarquon
    June 4, 2008

    So to summarize this thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5nCKYEM8qRc

  205. #205 NobodyKilledKenny
    June 4, 2008

    >Time to pack it up, folks. Kenny’s got three times more
    >science than we do.

    Did I say that. I am just saying that I think you might be afraid of the answer that’s all.

    If people are indeed surviving out of the body and can be verified scientifically then the rest of science is going to have to catch up.

    See, when I see evidence from millions of people and evidence that they are beyond this life then I know it is real. Anyway that is where you are overlooking it. Millions of people with after death experiences.

    If millions of people can describe in detail the scene while they are dead and then confirm it with doctors/nurses or other then that really validates everything I have been saying. I think this is just a wee bit beyond faith and myths here.

  206. #206 BoxerShorts
    June 5, 2008

    See, when I see evidence from millions of people and evidence that they are beyond this life then I know it is real. Anyway that is where you are overlooking it. Millions of people with after death experiences.

    Did I read that right? After death experiences? Oh Kenny, we’re going to miss you when you’re successfully perma-banned.

  207. #207 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    If millions of people can describe in detail the scene while they are dead and then confirm it with doctors/nurses or other then that really validates everything I have been saying.

    no, it doesn’t, but pointing out to you for the umpteenth time WHY it doesn’t would be worthless, so instead I again offer you this lead pipe I found.

  208. #208 jase
    June 5, 2008

    poor little feebleminded Kenny. It’s like talking to a particularly dense child. Lead poisoning perhaps or mild retardation? Mebbe schizo-affective disorder with a dollop of residual child abuse. How very, very sad… Oh well -NEXT?!!

  209. #209 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    oh, and Kennybot:

    SHUT THE FUCK UP

  210. #210 qedpro
    June 5, 2008

    NobodyKilledKenny,

    people who talk about their out of body experiences or knowing god are no different than those that describe in perfect detail the story about aliens travelling from another galaxy to personally sodimize them.

    there is no difference between that delusion and yours. excuse me there’s no difference between that delusion and your personal relationship.

  211. #211 Brownian, OM
    June 5, 2008

    I’m so happy that this is the last thread that Kenny (or his Poe) will troll.

    Talk it out boy, just let it all out, while you can.

  212. #212 Steve_C
    June 5, 2008

    Millions of deluded people is not evidence… and they obviously weren’t “dead” because their brain didn’t die. The heart not beating is not death.

    Maybe Kenny wants to be a NDE test subject.

    Put him on a gurney, put him in a coma and see if he can float out of his body and describe what happened in the room next to his, which is sealed and not opened until he’s resuscitated.

    If he makes it back.

    Millions of people have sworn they’ve seen Aliens, Flying Saucers, Bigfoot, Nessy and fricking demons…

    Are all those eyewitness accounts of conscious people evidence of all those things being real?

    Hell fucking no. Fuck that’s pathetic.

  213. #213 Wowbagger
    June 5, 2008

    Kenny-the-at-best-dishonest wrote:

    I believe in those people that die and come back and they said there is God and Heaven and all that. It all makes sense. Why wouldn’t it be better beyond this school we call life?

    Er, if it’s so great why did they come back? If I saw a place that was better I’d go there. And you’ve never been able to explain why it is that people always see the god of the culture they’ve been brought up in. Some people have even seen faeries, like I pointed out in another thread (which you conveniently ignored) – does that mean faeries are real?

    And as for multiple dimensions and quantum theory, well, what you’re doing is no different from what our ancestors did thousands of years ago when they came up with the idea for religion in the first place. There were things they didn’t understand (the sun, the moon etc.) so they came up with reasons for why they did what they did, and called them gods. Once we worked out that the sun and the moon were physical things (a star and a big, orbiting rock) they stopped being gods.

    All you’re doing is using a realm of science (quantum theory) that isn’t fully understood (yet!) and attaching mysticism to it. You can do this because you’ve got nothing to stop you; if people hadn’t discovered evolution or astronomy or any of the other scientific explanations for things then you’d be just as happy to claim those as ‘evidence’ for your beliefs.

    Just another god of the gaps. As soon as a new gap appears, so too does a new god. Unfortunately for you, science is the ultimate gap-filler.

  214. #214 NobodyKilledKenny
    June 5, 2008

    >Learn a little about neuroscience and psychology.
    >THEN maybe you’ll understand what utter bullshit you’re
    >spouting.

    So you are saying millions of people are all lying and the doctors/nurses/etc are lying as well?

    I think you need to do some research and take it seriously.

  215. #215 Steve_C
    June 5, 2008

    I’m saying that it’s not EVIDENCE.

    It’s worthless stories. No different than a scam artist talking to your dead relatives, or a mass delusion… OMG I saw the virgin mary hover over a hilltop!!!!

    It’s not science.

    There’s very easy ways to “test” the idea, and I bet it’s been done.

  216. #216 NobodyKilledKenny
    June 5, 2008

    So it’s come down to insults and projection again? So what you are saying is that you don’t believe real evidence and you won’t believe real scientific evidence that is proven with a scientific method.

    So much for that. You are making yourselves look stupid.
    If only the people in here were half as intelligent as they claimed. That isn’t trolling, that is an observation.

  217. #217 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    So you are saying millions of people are all lying and the doctors/nurses/etc are lying as well?

    NO, you gabbling limpet. What we’re saying is that YOUR INTERPRETATION of the observations is wrong.

    which of course is what we told you when you first said it, and even gave you references to the relevant studies.

    *sigh*

    refer back to 208, or please, take this lead pipe I found and conduct your own personal experiment, eh?

  218. #218 Charlie Foxtrot
    June 5, 2008

    …and that’s why I never accept Cool-Aid from a Christian.
    Ever.

  219. #219 BoxerShorts
    June 5, 2008

    So it’s come down to insults and projection again? So what you are saying is that you don’t believe real evidence and you won’t believe real scientific evidence that is proven with a scientific method.

    No, it’s that there is no real scientific evidence. Just anecdotes from people who didn’t even actually die. If you don’t understand why that’s not “real scientific evidence,” then you don’t understand what science is.

  220. #220 NobodyKilledKenny
    June 5, 2008

    >And you’ve never been able to explain why it is that
    >people always see the god of the culture they’ve been
    >brought up in.

    Most just describe it as an intelligence and a very bright light so bright that it can consume them.

    Why does atheism limit minds instead of freeing them. I believe in science and I also believe in God. How can that be!?!??!?!

    How can I love the progression of science and love God?

    Probably because my mind is not chained with a limited world view like atheism. Atheism chains your mind and your view and closes your mind. It actually is 12 steps back and not forward.

    It is a limiting of the mind, not an enlightenment. It is not a freedom of thoughts, it is a restriction of thoughts.

    You can both love science and love what it does and have an open mind there and also have an open mind when it comes to the after life as well. It is good to allow people to gain through science and also through spiritual progress.

    I want science to investigate these kinds of things becaus all kinds of things might be possible.

  221. #221 Dan
    June 5, 2008

    I think you need to do some research and take it seriously.

    Posted by: NobodyKilledKenny

    Research done. What do you say to those people who were pronounced dead, came back and said that they saw nothing?

    Really, Kenny. Your woo isn’t going to stand on its own until you can prove that everyone who dies encounters this delusion of yours. Until then, learn how the brain actually works.

  222. #222 BoxerShorts
    June 5, 2008

    Oh, by the way Kenny, remember how you said several hours ago that you were making your last post here?

    You’re a lying sack of crap, you’re a lying sack of crap, you’re a lying, steaming, stinking, scheming sack of liquid crap!

  223. #223 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    It is not a freedom of thoughts, it is a restriction of thoughts.

    it was the best of times; it was the worst of times…

    I want science to investigate these kinds of things becaus all kinds of things might be possible.

    then go do something productive, like volunteer for non-profit science foundation or something.

    Hey, I know!

    you could donate your brain to the Templeton Foundation!

    again, you might be able to use this lead pipe I found to help you with that.

  224. #224 Steve_C
    June 5, 2008

    Take some Ketamine and tell us all about your NDE Kenny.

    THAT would be interesting.

  225. #225 jeffox
    June 5, 2008

    But if you know what life is worth
    You will look for yours on earth
    So now you see the light
    Stand up for your right. . . .

    – B. Marley

    BTW Kenny & Kennybot: Even if there is a life after death and your claimed millions of NDEs are correct, YOU ARE STILL A TARD and there is absolutely no way I would want to spend an eternity with you or any of your kind.

    Oh, and GET A JOB!!!

  226. #226 Wowbagger
    June 5, 2008

    Kenny at #215 wrote:

    So it’s come down to insults and projection again?

    Where exactly did I insult you or project, Kenny? Feel free to point out what it was I wrote that counts as either. Try responding to what I did write rather than react to something I didn’t.

  227. #227 NobodyKilledKenny
    June 5, 2008

    >No, it’s that there is no real scientific evidence. Just
    >anecdotes from people who didn’t even actually die. If you
    >don’t understand why that’s not “real scientific
    >evidence,” then you don’t understand what science is.

    So when the heart stops and there is no brain activity that we can measure is that good enough? I call them NDE’s but most of these people have died.

    They are in the process of testing with a scientific method is that good enough for you?

    Some of you people will defend against anything and are so closed minded to the point of insanity. How can a real person be like that? It is almost to the point of such foolishness.

    If Scientists prove using a scientific method that life goes on beyond death. People on here will just reject science. How moronic is that and that is what you are basically saying. This is not projection and this is not a strawman argument. It is what it is.

    Arn’t you for science?

    That is why I think Dawkins is a very short sighted person and really has a hard time with the obvious.

  228. #228 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    You’re a lying sack of crap, you’re a lying sack of crap, you’re a lying, steaming, stinking, scheming sack of liquid crap!

    Is there a tune that goes with that?

  229. #229 DLC
    June 5, 2008

    Uh…mmmkay…
    Kenny the Troll. cool mafia nickname.
    (sorry… do you really expect me to bother myself over this fellow’s blather and nonsense? )

  230. #230 BoxerShorts
    June 5, 2008

    Is there a tune that goes with that?

    Why, yes there is. It’s not mine, I just like to use it when it’s context-appropriate. It’s kind of a cute, cheerful little tune. Sounds almost like something you might hear on a Raffi record from hell.

  231. #231 Janine ID
    June 5, 2008

    It was fun verbally abusing Kenny until he repeated himself for the dozenth time. Just leave this undead piece of shit alone until PZ can stick a stake through it’s heart. There is nothing new or entertaining to be had. ENOUGH!

  232. #232 BoxerShorts
    June 5, 2008

    They are in the process of testing with a scientific method is that good enough for you?

    Links or it didn’t happen. And don’t tell us to look it up ourselves. I’ve tried. Got nothing.

  233. #233 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    Arn’t you for science?

    Kenny is single-handedly making me think about changing my mind on capital punishment.

    “The [Kenny's] stubborn refusal to expire is driving us insane.”

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/WhyWontYouDie

  234. #234 jeffox
    June 5, 2008

    Say, Kenny/Nobodykilledkenny, You know, I died once. For sure, no heartbeat & no brain activity. Yup. I even spoke to God hisself. He told me you were a dumbass tard and were full of shit. He seemed to think it important that I let you know that, so I did.
    ;)

  235. #235 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    Why, yes there is.

    I kept trying to fit it to “Farmer in the Dell”

    You’re a lying sack of crap
    You’re a lying sack of crap
    you’re a lying, steaming, stinking, scheming
    sack of liquid crap!

  236. #236 BoxerShorts
    June 5, 2008

    I kept trying to fit it to “Farmer in the Dell”

    Nope, that’s not it. I’m trying to find it online in MP3 format or something. No luck so far. It’s much funnier in audio than it is in print.

  237. #237 NobodyKilledKenny
    June 5, 2008

    >Links or it didn’t happen. And don’t tell us to look it up
    >ourselves. I’ve tried. Got nothing.

    They are in the process of doing this. It is a huge undertaking over different continents

  238. #238 MikeM
    June 5, 2008

    I can’t believe I’m engaging the banned, but here goes:

    Kenny, read this:

    http://www.skepdic.com/nde.html

    Now, you’re banned. You’ve been asked to leave, you’ve been told to leave, you’ve been forced to leave.

    Why are you back?

    I’ll take my answer off the air.

  239. #239 BoxerShorts
    June 5, 2008

    They are in the process of doing this. It is a huge undertaking over different continents

    LINKS OR IT DIDN’T HAPPEN!!

  240. #240 Dan
    June 5, 2008

    They are in the process of doing this. It is a huge undertaking over different continents

    Posted by: NobodyKilledKenny

    What part of the phrase “links or it didn’t happen” is taxing that fractured mind of yours?

    Post… the… fucking… LINKS!

  241. #241 Wowbagger
    June 5, 2008

    Nice work, Ichthyic – are you trying to oust Cuttlefish as the Pharyngula poet laureate?

    I didn’t insult Kenny before but I will now. He gets the Wowbagger special (thanks, yet again, to the wonderful and always-missed Douglas Adams):

    You’re a jerk, Kenny. A complete asshole.

  242. #242 jeffox backtrollin'
    June 5, 2008

    NKK whittled on his PC’s screen:

    >>Links or it didn’t happen. And don’t tell us to look it up
    >>ourselves. I’ve tried. Got nothing.

    >They are in the process of doing this. It is a huge >undertaking over different continents

    If it’s dead people doing this, it’s gonna take a while before they get published, I would think. :)

  243. #243 NobodyKilledKenny
    June 5, 2008

    I said all that needed to be said. Good night all.

  244. #244 BoxerShorts
    June 5, 2008

    I said all that needed to be said.

    This is a true statement, but not in the way you think.

  245. #245 jeffox backtrollin'
    June 5, 2008

    NKK continued, well after his bedtime:

    >I said all that needed to be said. Good night all.

    Yep, I guess even tard has its limits. I wrote it once before, and I’ll write it again now – SAY G’NITE, KENNY!
    :)

  246. #246 Wowbagger
    June 5, 2008

    Goodnight, Kenny. Give your god a big kiss from all of us here.

  247. #247 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    I’m trying to find it online in MP3 format or something. No luck so far.

    hmm, if it helps, the best I was able to track down was that it was a song written for Scott McClellan that played on Air America whenever he was in a story there.

    I could not find a direct link to it.

  248. #248 Lynnai
    June 5, 2008

    Please don’t call Kenny or his morphs NKK I know perfectly resonable people with those initials and it scared me there for a moment!

    Mind you I know lots of reasonable people named Ken… thankfully none of them over the age of 8 answer to Kenny.

    I also suggest you all look up the Gwar’s song Sick Of You, catchy tune.

    Why are we still feeding this troll anyway? I mean it’s not quite the standard trolling technique but it does just come down to “yes it is!” “No it isn’t” ad nausium. Even a 6 year old can reparse an arguement better then this.

    Seeing a light does not prove god, hereing a truck start to beep as it backs up does not prove it’s playing the moonlight sanata.

    Gah! Now he has me doing it! It’s like he’s conditioned the whole forum to foam at the mouth at the mention of NDEs.

    Pavlov has been done before. Go away Kenny you simply killed any hope for any respect here.

  249. #249 Prof. Bleen
    June 5, 2008

    I said all that needed to be said. Good night all.

    You’ll be back….

  250. #250 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    that played on Air America

    and on the Stephanie Miller show.

    man, you’d think something that pops up so many references would at least have an audio clip of it somewhere.

  251. #251 Kel
    June 5, 2008

    Believers Science handbook:

    Tactic #4691: Use the term science in such a way that scientists appear as faith-based lunatics and believers are the only people who truly care about science.

    Phrases to use:
    * “Don’t you care about science?”
    * “Science is a great things”
    * “Scientists are hostile and intolerant”
    * “Militant Atheism”
    * “Religion is a tool for our spiritual side”

    Quotemine:
    * Stephen Jay Gould
    * Albert Einstein
    * Charles Darwin
    * Sir Issac Newton

    Do:
    * Equate atheism with atrocities
    * Mention theories that have been superseeded or marginalised as time has gone on
    * Talk about but scientists are close-minded
    * Claim that belief is verified because millions believe
    * Talk about morality and free will
    * Make sure to mention God as much as possible
    * Claim persecution when someone refutes your argument
    * Use the first cause argument, that’ll get ‘em by surprise

    Avoid:
    * Any interpretation of the universe that doesn’t have the resurrection of Jesus at it’s core
    * Providing evidence to support your claims about the spiritual
    * Using the phrase “creationism” or “intelligent design”. It’s currently called “teach the controversy” (though there is no controversy, God is right and they aren’t)

    Remember:
    God is working through you so you can’t be wrong, everything you write is backed by God’s omnipresence and he has your best interests at heart. God loves you and will reward any persecution you receive because of your beliefs. Those unbelievers just don’t understand science the way you do, you are wise because you have God on your side. Remember, God is perfect, therefore so is your argument. They are without God, so they are wrong already.

  252. #252 Maria
    June 5, 2008

    Kenny, your trying to hard. Maybe if you went back to the words in the book you would see what they really meant. Thinking is allowed. The most precious gift God gave man was free will. And above all God loves everybody, and that includes the queers, queens, fornicators, witches, warlocks, pagans, masturbators, blasphemers, and well you can get the idea. Screaming at people will not bring about any change. Your just wasting energy. And I think maybe you would find a little peace, if you could accept that God loves everybody and not just those you approve of.

  253. #253 Kseniya
    June 5, 2008

    He’s a self-serving narcissist with a martyr complex

    Hey! There’s that smell again.

  254. #254 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    And above all God loves everybody, and that includes the queers, queens, fornicators, witches, warlocks, pagans, masturbators, blasphemers, and well you can get the idea.

    nice sentiment, but in reality that’s no more evidence based than Kennybot’s claims.

    you might as well have given everyone the blessing of the FSM, or Cthulhu (May you and yours be first in line!)

  255. #255 Ken Cope
    June 5, 2008

    Lying Sack of Crap song is frequently played on the Stephanie Miller Show, syndicated and streamed live from LA from 6:00 to 9:00 am PST. There’s even a Frank Sinatra style version- “sack of liquid doo-dooooo.”

    Stephanie Miller makes her program quite addictive, with an astonishingly talented voice deity and an on-air producer who is out as the token atheist of the Stephanie Miller Show. The program has altered my sleeping habits nearly as much as this blog has.

  256. #256 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    Lying Sack of Crap song is frequently played on the Stephanie Miller Show,

    I managed to get that far, but it still doesn’t tell me what the tune is.

    grr. now I’m on a mission.

    My google-fu WILL prevail!

  257. #257 Prof. Bleen
    June 5, 2008

    Maria (#251):

    Well said, but you forgot the abortionists, atheists, Darwinists, Democrats, dykes, Muslims, jaywalkers, devil-worshippers, Neo-Nazis and Oscar the Grouch–but that can be forgiven, since they’re all one and the same anyway. Oh, and the difference between your and you’re, and between to and too.

  258. #258 Ken Cope
    June 5, 2008

    http://www.yourealyingsackofcrap.com/ has the lyrics (“nasty” was missing) and a cheesy midi version, along with the printed melody.

    When I think of Kenny, dead or near death, or dead, eaten, thrown up into a grave and still not dead yet, I think of an earworm from The Poor Man blog, to the tune of The Beach Boys Kokomo

    Enormous
    Mendacious
    Disembodied Anus

  259. #259 Nibien
    June 5, 2008

    “I challenge everyone on here to at least crack your mind open slightly and do your own research.”

    Well, severe head trauma would greatly increase the chance of believing the things you do, so I think cracking someones’ mind open would help, I agree.

    Personally, I’d have problems with the drooling on myself, but you seem not to mind it.

  260. #260 LCR
    June 5, 2008

    As a devoted Stephanie Miller fan, I know the Lying Sack of Crap song very, very well (as do my kids, I’m ashamed to say).

    Try this…

    http://www.yourealyingsackofcrap.com/

    Page down and there is “play” link that just plays the tune (twice), not the whole song. There is also a visual of a couple of bars of notes, so if you are handy on the piano, that will help. Thats the closest I could fine at short notice.

  261. #261 Ragutis
    June 5, 2008

    The guy with his fingers jammed into his ears up to the elbow is calling us close-minded. Classic. He is the poster child of willful ignorance. And with his trademark charm that reminds one of a festering malodorous pustule.

    Again, idiot, your “evidence” is on par with that for alien abduction, faeries, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster, Ogopogo, Chupacabra, the Jersey Devil, and Mothman. Surely you believe in all these as well if eyewitness accounts are your criteria. Actually, considering the supposed footprints, fur samples, pictures, video, bitemarks, scars, scorched grass “landing areas”, strange metallic bits and bobs, and assorted other artifacts that’ve piled up around these phenomena, I guess there’s actually more evidence for any of those critters than your NDEs. How can you not believe? Sheesh, just open your mind a little, Kenny-boy. I mean, there’s people doing sciencey sounding stuff about them and everything.

    Kenny, when I saw this thread I was pretty bummed out that I wouldn’t have the opportunity to say goodbye. Thankfully, by returning you’ve given me the chance:

    Go away, you fecking twat.

  262. #262 MB
    June 5, 2008

    Maria in #251 has once again confirmed the trolling right wing obsession with (other people’s) sex. She listed 8 god saved groups and half were assocaited with sex or sexual orientation. Bet she’s a guy, too.

    The list was also kind of redundant, too – what queen isn’t queer and who in the world isn’t at least a recovering masterbater? Even your parents are fornicators…

    Should that be masterbators like fornicators or is it fornicaters – I don’t believe I’ve ever tried to spell either of those words. Pompous ass that I am…

  263. #263 clinteas
    June 5, 2008

    2 things the Kenny wars have taught me(hey,Ive only been around here for a year and a bit,still learning) :

    -the whole spectrum of delusions,cognitive dissonance and inability to reason of Christians

    -how to refute their arguments and non-arguments

    For that I thank the Kenny !
    But now,carpe diem,and be gone Troll,youre wasting my life time.

  264. #264 MB
    June 5, 2008

    Aw, Jeebus, I just did a search on masterbator to check my spelling and learned we really are all going to burn in hell.

    NexTag has 15 matches, from the Doc Johnson Pussy Palm Pal Clear Stroker Masterbator for 9.99 to the Fleshlight Non-Descript Male Masterbator Sextoy for 49.99 (also available in the Fleshlight Mouth and Fleshlight Pussy for the same price). That would be in US Dollars.

    I swear, I thought it was a blind hit for NexTag, but hey, it says “you’ll find it hard to put it down.” You just can’t make this shit up – at least I’m not imagintive enough for that. Praise the lord the images were blocked.

    If you didn’t think the level of discussion had stooped low enough yet, leave it to me to take it straight to the gutter.

    Walton, are you reading this?

  265. #265 greg
    June 5, 2008

    what does “disemvoweling” mean?

  266. #266 leigh
    June 5, 2008

    JeffreyD: “Shroud of Turing Test”

    OMG, brilliant! I love coming here because there’s SO much stuff worth stealing . . .

  267. #267 Leigh Williams
    June 5, 2008

    Jeffox: “Then they can make a movie about it and call it THE LONGEST TARD :) :) :)”

    See what I mean?

  268. #268 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    wht ds “dsmvwlng” mn?

    that.

  269. #269 clinteas
    June 5, 2008

    @Maria No 251 :

    Which god are you referring to in your post that allegedly loves me? Yahweh,FSM,Zeus,Thor? Oh let me guess,you were referring to the judeo-christian god right…
    Glad you werent born in Tehran,because I really wouldnt want to be loved by that Allah fellow,if you catch my drift….

  270. #270 leigh
    June 5, 2008

    Alex: “Leigh, please try not to stifle inquisitiveness. The information I was about to obtain I would have made available to everyone. But I would ask you to explain the saltpeter. You lost me there.”

    Dear boy, you’re assuming that we would have WANTED this information. All I can say is, “Yuck. and also Bleaghh”.

    Saltpeter is potassium nitrate, KNO3. It was once thought to act on your peter as salt acts on the earth, e.g., to render it incapable.

    It doesn’t, really. And of course, it was a joke. No woman in her right mind wants nerds to be emasculated, since it’s well known to intellingent broads such as moi that nerds are the only men worth having around, nudge nudge wink wink.

  271. #271 clinteas
    June 5, 2008

    You know Alex,if you werent such a hornbag LOL,you should write an email to the overlords and cry sexual harassment on leigh now hehehe

  272. #272 greg
    June 5, 2008

    what is the purpose of “dsmvwlng”?

  273. #273 leigh
    June 5, 2008

    Azkyroth: “Someone tell Leigh about facetiousness.”

    I was trying to be facetious. Didn’t the saltpeter ref give that away?

    Gomen nasai Azkyroth-san, that the joke was poor.

  274. #274 Leigh Williams
    June 5, 2008

    Prof Bleen: “Oh, and the difference between your and you’re, and between to and too.”

    And it’s and its. It makes no sense, but class, let’s please remember:

    Its — possessive third person neuter pronoun
    It’s — It Is

    Example:

    “It’s a damn shame that the irrational orthography of English has lost its rightful place in modern pedagogy.”

    Sorry, but I was a grammar Nazi in a former life.

    Damn, I just Godwinned myself.

  275. #275 Kenny
    June 5, 2008

    >For that I thank the Kenny !
    >But now,carpe diem,and be gone Troll,youre wasting my life
    >time.

    You were already closed minded before I even posted.

  276. #276 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    You were already closed minded before I even posted.

    The way is shut.
    It was made by those who are Dead.
    And the Dead keep it.
    The way is shut.

  277. #277 Kenny
    June 5, 2008

    >Again, idiot, your “evidence” is on par with that for
    >alien abduction, faeries, Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster,
    >Ogopogo, Chupacabra, the Jersey Devil, and Mothman. Surely
    >you believe in all these as well if eyewitness accounts
    >are your criteria.

    They are not at all the same thing. The people that die and come back tell what was going on after their death in detail. How is that possible with the others?

    A man who died who was on NPR actually met a relative that he did not know. He came back from death and talked to his mom and she had a picture of his uncle that had died before he was born. How is this possible?

    How is it possible that you can see in detail (without making anything up) what is happening when your eyes are shut and your heart and brain are dead? Not only that but people have seen what is in the next room when they were dead. How can you explain all of this?

    Clearly there is something here. This is not 10 people that have seen big foot either, this is millions of people that have died and come back and told us what it is like for them. Why does that have to be wrong?

    How can that be a delusion?

  278. #278 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    damnit, what’s the good of tossing someone in the dungeon if you don’t lock the door.

    I mean, torture is good fun and all, but eventually you either have to hang them or leave them to rot.

  279. #279 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    Clearly there is something here.

    might as well come clean.

    we’re all dead, Kenny.

    you’ve been speaking to us from the land of the living via your computer portal.

    and even though we’re all dead…

    we’re still sick of you.

    shut
    the fuck
    up

  280. #280 clinteas
    June 5, 2008

    Ichthyic,
    the good thing here is,K is showing everyone here what he is really about…trolling,annoying,and getting a lil sick joy and satisfaction out of our responses….I therefore will play this the Sastra way now and ignore him….and pray to the overlords that the master gets his killfile adjusted…

  281. #281 Kenny
    June 5, 2008

    Ichthyic,

    Well bashing religion isn’t exactly a good idea is it?
    If you would stop then I wouldn’t even bother posting here.

    Think of it as an incentive.

  282. #282 Kenny
    June 5, 2008

    Ichthyic,

    Well bashing religion isn’t exactly a good idea is it?
    If you would stop then I wouldn’t even bother posting here.

    Think of it as an incentive.

  283. #283 Bride of Shrek
    June 5, 2008

    For the love of humanity people, am I the only one seeing the real issue here.

    We’ve got a real live mad scientist full of the evil of atheism who is locking away fetid body parts in his dungeon. Has anyone considered the consequences should they BREED in there. It’ll be like friggin Resident Evil should the resultant rat/dog/mutant sub-human things escape… except for the fact that PZ won’t look as hot in a red mini-skirt as Milla Jovovich.

  284. #284 clinteas
    June 5, 2008

    BoS,

    how was that meeting in QLD btw?

    And noone,not even PZ,will ever,ever look as hot as Milla Jovovich in Resident Evil……

  285. #285 Willo the Wisp
    June 5, 2008

    Can anyone explain why people believe that consciousness continues to exist when your brain has rotted away? It’s too bizarre.

  286. #286 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    It’ll be like friggin Resident Evil should the resultant rat/dog/mutant sub-human things escape

    too late!

    ruuuunnnnnnn!!

  287. #287 Ragutis
    June 5, 2008

    Kenny, could you substantiate your repeated use of the word “millions”?

    In return, I offer you a link that while an incomplete list, documents many more than “10″ Bigfoot sightings. Also, I could tell you to look up Project Blue Book which investigated over 12,000 UFO sightings and encounters. I’m sure I could turn up more, but it’s late and I’m not the one repeatedly making absurd claims. I don’t expect you to provide a list of a few million names, but a substantial portion would be nice. Hell, I’d settle for documentation of 10% of however many millions there are.

    So, get to work. It’ll probably take a while, but if you stop posting, that’ll save you some time and you can come back to us with x hundreds of thousands of testimonies and rub them in our close-minded atheist faces that much sooner. We’ll be waiting.

  288. #288 Kenny
    June 5, 2008

    Well UFO’s could be anything from lights in the sky to testing by government weather equipment.

    Here:

    This death phenomena has not been properly studied through scientific means until the late 90′s.
    Since this time there have been 5 independent studies published by different groups.
    One study is from Sam Parnia’s group, a study from a dutch group, two studies in the US,
    and the last in the UK.

    All of these studies are looking at when they have reached clinical death (Cardiac Arrest).
    All concluded at least 10-20 percent who have reached death and brain has stopped functioning
    appear to have a fully functioning mind and conciousness. In other words they are able to have
    lucid and well structured thought processes, they have reasoning, they have memory formation and
    recalled exactly what they were seeing and what happened to them.

    People who have died can explain in very detail what exactly happened. He gives an example
    of just how detailed they are.

    “At 9:20 DR. Smith walked into the room and he was wearing a pink tie and as he walked into
    the room he tripped over a bucket and he dropped all the instruments and then he swore.”

    This is when they are supposed to be clinically dead.

  289. #289 Carlie
    June 5, 2008

    what is the purpose of “dsmvwlng”?

    PZ used to do it routinely before he instituted the dungeon, and it’s still occasionally used for warning shots before a total ban. It lets the comment stand so that people can parse out the idiocy if they care to, while making it easy to skip over. It also lessens the appeal so engagement and thread takeover is minimized. Also,sometimes the garbled text seems to make more sense than the original, which is funny.

  290. #290 negentropyeater
    June 5, 2008

    Kenny,

    I am glad you are banned, or at least banned in principle. It’s impossible to have a discussion with you. Some of us accepted to go in the details on some of the supposedly recent scientific studies on NDEs (such as the dutch study of patients who had suffered cardiac arrests from pim van Lommel http://www.nderf.org/vonlommel_consciousness.htm, the pam reynolds case http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam_reynolds) and why these did not represent evidence of a supernatural phenomena, but you systematically ignore our comments and refuse to respond, continue with the same hysterical diatribe over and over.

    It’s exactly as if somebody is performing a magic trick in front of you and you want to keep believing it’s real magic. If someone spoils your fun by telling you the trick you block your ears, and say, “you’re making it up” and then maintain it’s magic.

    We’re exactly in the same situation, if scientists try to explain to you why these do not constitute evidence of a supernatural phenomena, you say “scientists are making up an excuse”. Your working assumption is that, because they must be atheist, they will make up an excuse to reject the supernatural.
    What you refuse to understand is that your working assumption should be exactly the opposite, the scientist thrives to discover something fundamentally new, this is the best way to enter the pantheon of science, so if indeed, NDEs are experimental evidences that put in question all our understanding about consciousness, quantum physics and the lot, this would become a real focus of research, and not the contrary.

    You are addicted to your delusion as someone is addicted to drugs or alcohol, and exactly the same way, you will refuse to acknowlege it.

  291. #291 hillbilly
    June 5, 2008

    Comment #156 by Alex:
    “I say shove a pineapple up Kenny’s anus.”

    Ah, the pineapple…the theists worst nightmare! Just look at how prickly and generally unergonomic the pineapple is. The packaging only hinders the hidden delights of the pineapples flesh. Surely this fruit needs to be taken back to the (imaginary) drawing board…

  292. #292 Peter Holt
    June 5, 2008

    Of course, Kenny doesn’t realise that so-called NDEs are actually the work of Satan.

    Makes as much sense as any other supernatural explanation.

  293. #293 MAJeff, OM
    June 5, 2008

    In other words they are able to have lucid and well structured thought processes, they have reasoning, they have memory formation and recalled exactly what they were seeing and what happened to them.

    In other words, they weren’t dead.

    I wonder, how close-minded does one have to be to not even look at such things as neurological explanations of so-called NDEs and cling to an explanation for which there is no supporting evidence.

    No cake! Death!

  294. #294 Torbj÷rn Larsson, OM
    June 5, 2008

    Kenny, Kenny, Kenny.

    Poor old “41″.

    Always short of the Answer to Life, the Universe, and Everything.

  295. #295 Imrryr
    June 5, 2008

    #292 Besides, we’re outta cake! We only had three bits and didn’t expect there to be such a rush!

  296. #296 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    June 5, 2008

    Great. I come here thinking Kenny is gone and HE’S STILL HERE WITH THE SAME BOMBASTICALLY STUPID ARGUMENT.

    Still with the NDEs.

    PZ. KILL HIM OFF!

  297. #297 Brian English
    June 5, 2008

    All of these studies are looking at when they have reached clinical death (Cardiac Arrest).

    Clinical death is when the brain is dead. You ever noticed how your heart can be removed, and another’s put in its stead and the person doesn’t die. If the brain is dead, then the person is dead. And NDE by definition are near death. The brain is near death, not dead.

  298. #298 Carlie
    June 5, 2008

    I can’t believe no one’s invoked Monty Python yet.

  299. #299 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    June 5, 2008

    They are not at all the same thing. The people that die and come back tell what was going on after their death in detail. How is that possible with the others?

    A man who died who was on NPR actually met a relative that he did not know. He came back from death and talked to his mom and she had a picture of his uncle that had died before he was born. How is this possible?

    Oh I can’t help it. Damn it Damn it. SIWOTI.

    Kenny you have to be one of the most face plant into the dog shit of life stupid people I’ve even come across. People give detailed, and I mean very personally detailed, descriptions of alien abductions ALL THE TIME. There’s also this little thing called your subconscious. That person may never remember it but there is a very good chance that someone in his family mentioned that relative, or he was in a picture album or all other manor of ways that his existence was at least a small part of the guys past that he doesn’t remember. Your mind can store up those little tidbits of info and they come out in dreams or “NDEs” or other strange ways at strange times. It’s really not that hard to understand… well not that hard for people with brains not swimming in the sewage of religious delusional dumbfuckery like yours. Yes, you are so caught up in your delusions that your brain has completely shut off your ability to assess information rationally.

    Clearly there is something here. This is not 10 people that have seen big foot either, this is millions of people that have died and come back and told us what it is like for them. Why does that have to be wrong?

    Support your assertions. Links. Studies. Now.

  300. #300 Marcus Ranum
    June 5, 2008

    It’s a habit I learned from having kids. I mean, seriously, there are some things I don’t want to say around kids. I find myself saying, “Fffffffiddlesticks!” a lot.

    I don’t get that. If you’re clearly replacing one ejaculation with another, and anyone with a brain knows what the original was, how’s that not “cussing”???

    mjr.

  301. #301 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    I can’t believe no one’s invoked Monty Python yet.

    actually, I keep thinking of the Robot Chicken episode:

    Jesus and the Argonauts.

    Jesus gets killed about 50 times in that episode, finally ending with a cyclops pounding him into the ground with a giant club… over and over and over…

    unfortunately, all the youtube clips of it have been pulled.
    :(

  302. #302 Marcus Ranum
    June 5, 2008

    Re: NDE and meeting relatives you don’t know – it’s called “confabulation” and it’s what happens a lot when dreaming or anoxic. I’ve had it happen to me lots (including the tunnel and the lights) back in the days when I was playing around a lot with nitrous oxide. One time, I recall distinctly that I confabulated that Amy Lee of Evanescence had joined Rammstein and I went to the concert and it was great. Typical of confabulations, I came back down from the clouds and couldn’t add details other than “uh, it was great” but my experience was probably more real than most NDE trips to “heaven” simply by virtue of the fact that Amy Lee and Rammstein have been fairly well established as actually existing.

  303. #303 Rev. BigDumbCHimp
    June 5, 2008

    back in the days when I was playing around a lot with nitrous oxide.

    Hippie Crack

  304. #304 Marcus Ranum
    June 5, 2008

    Hippie Crack

    We used to call it “canned stupid”

    So I figure it’s like religion only it causes less long-term brain damage.

  305. #305 Marcus Ranum
    June 5, 2008

    Joking aside, I find it frankly amazing that people take NDE “seeing the pearly gates” stories seriously considering the vast amount of experience people have with anoxia (mountain climbing or mixed-gas diving) and recreational brain oxygen-starvation (alcohol, NO2, etc). I know one acid-head who literally sees god every time he trips. But the creos wouldn’t probably take that as “evidence” – yet they’ll accept someone who’s cardio flatlined and whose brain is anoxic.

    Like I said, I’ve seen the tunnel and there was a Rammstein concert at the end of it. Now I can’t wait to die. Maybe if I’m good I’ll get an all access backstage pass.

  306. #306 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    June 5, 2008

    Hippie Crack

    We used to call it “canned stupid”

    So I figure it’s like religion only it causes less long-term brain damage.

    Canned Stupid works well too. Most of my experiences (and there were many in my younger years) were at the business end of a balloon from a tank in the parking lot of grateful dead shows across the country. Hence hippie crack.

    I’ll say I didn’t think of it until you mentioned it but there were many times where I could say I had NDE like experiences where time stopped and you have your own little “adventure”.

  307. #307 MAJeff, OM
    June 5, 2008

    I’ve got one of the local news stations on. They just did a segment with some freak talking about his own NDE (sounds a lot like Kenny) and about the ghosts wandering around the television studio. One of the hosts (she ain’t no reporter) refused to stay at a BnB this weekend because there’s a ghost of a 5-year-old wandering around the place. blah blah blah.

    People be batshit.

    Like I said, I’ve seen the tunnel and there was a Rammstein concert at the end of it. Now I can’t wait to die. Maybe if I’m good I’ll get an all access backstage pass.

    Mine was a dance club after a lot of DayQuil, weed and beer. Kind of fun to watch yourself from the other side of the dance floor.

    Ketamine rocks for that shit, too.

  308. #308 Iain Walker
    June 5, 2008

    (Disclaimer – this is not a reply to Kenny/NobodyKilledKenny, merely a couple of observations on his burblings).

    Comment #117:

    Quantum Physics were laughed at by scientists in the 1970′s and now it is basically taken as fact.

    There’s a definite odour of Poe to this, since it looks like a deliberate mistake we’re supposed to pick up on, but then a real Kenny would probably be ignorant of the fact that quantum physics was well-established 50 years before the 70s.

    and then there’s Comment #193:

    What I also find interesting is that ideas related to that of the M-theory or membrane theory which has dimensions right on top of the other seperated by membranes could have it’s own physics properties and it’s own worlds.

    Genuine misunderstanding or deliberate mischaracterisation of the theory? Ignorant troll or cunning parodist?

    This is going to be bugging me all day.

  309. #309 Marcus Ranum
    June 5, 2008

    I’ll say I didn’t think of it until you mentioned it but there were many times where I could say I had NDE like experiences where time stopped and you have your own little “adventure”.

    If you ever pushed it to the “danger” level, i.e.: anoxia (where you pass out) there’s a really good chance you’ll see the tunnel and the lights. Like I said, I’ve seen ‘em a couple times. Also glowing mountains. And Rammstein. And gigantic seas of vibrating pink fur.

    Heaven is a very weird place. I’ve stopped going there.

  310. #311 dinkum
    June 5, 2008

    Iain (#307) – if it helps, I vote for Genuine Misunderstanding and Ignorant Troll…although that feels a bit redundant. Shit. Now THAT’S going to bug ME all day…

  311. #312 clinteas
    June 5, 2008

    Ok,completely OT,but I had to share :

    The argument for Intelligent Design with magic shell…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8pR5PJBln7E

    Enjoy !

  312. #313 Kel
    June 5, 2008

    Kenny,

    NDEs like OBEs (out-of-body-experiences) and ghosts can be explained rationally through brain activity. In fact we can stimulate areas of the brain to create these effects. We have perfectly valid explanations for the phenomena, so why would we take one which requires such a huge leap of faith? Surely you would agree that the principle of parsimony is the best way to gauge which claim is better. Not to mention that people who experience NDEs and OBEs have visions that are in tune with the beliefs they have; so it would be pertinent to say that unless “truths” about the universe are localised that the mind determines reality.

    Let’s take a look at evolution vs the Flying Spaghetti Monster:
    * both explain the origin of life
    * both explain the evidence presented
    * one has a giant monster made of spahgetti flying around
    Now with the principle of parsimony, which one would you feel is correct? It’s the one without the huge unknown. So apply this logic to NDEs
    * NDEs can be explained by supernatural causes
    * NDEs can be explained by brain activity
    There are no grounds to suggest supernatural causes yet you point to them as an answer even though there is one without the massive unfounded assertion? You aren’t a lover of science at all, just one who is looking for tautological affirmation of your faith to use that as evidence.

    People on here see through your nonsense, and by being here you damage the reputations of Christians and Christianity in general. When you offer no insight, make poor assertions and generally act as though you have some intellectual superiority because your insight is not matched by the many people here, all you do is make people think less of Christianity in general. They equate your inane ramblings with your religion. And after many people like you thinking that somehow atheists have missed a basic fact about the universe that conclusively shows their ignorance, surely you could see how they would treat you with such hostility.

    You have no evidence for anything, you just keep making assertion after assertion with no foresight into even trying to come up with a scientific explanation. Most of what you are saying already has adequate scientific explanations and it baffles me that even with that knowledge out there you would still appeal to those lines of thought as proof of your imaginary friend. Kenny, you don’t have a clue. It would be better to adhere to the ban to both keep what is left of your dignity and to limit the damage you are doing to your religion…

    …or just keep going. It’s fun watching you get ripped apart. Either way :)

  313. #314 SC
    June 5, 2008

    No! Rasputin!

  314. #315 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    June 5, 2008

    Comment #117:

    Quantum Physics were laughed at by scientists in the 1970′s and now it is basically taken as fact.

    There’s a definite odour of Poe to this, since it looks like a deliberate mistake we’re supposed to pick up on, but then a real Kenny would probably be ignorant of the fact that quantum physics was well-established 50 years before the 70s.

    Not only that, but it’s the classic appeal to science was wrong before. “Since science was wrong about something in the past, that makes whatever nonsense I’m blathering about more likely to be true.”

    wrong Ken-Toad.

  315. #316 Michelle
    June 5, 2008

    Behold the KENNY:
    Proof that bans never work and that delusional folks have no life…

  316. #317 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    June 5, 2008

    If you ever pushed it to the “danger” level, i.e.: anoxia (where you pass out) there’s a really good chance you’ll see the tunnel and the lights. Like I said, I’ve seen ‘em a couple times. Also glowing mountains. And Rammstein. And gigantic seas of vibrating pink fur.

    Yeah been there. Not going back.

  317. #318 sjburnt
    June 5, 2008

    “Posted by: Kenny | June 5, 2008 5:32 AM” (post 149 of WOW- Is This Stupid)

    BY Golly, even PZ cannot keep Kenny dead. He is truly THE Kenny of South Park. Now this has to be proof of something…

    …messianic?

  318. #319 Afterthought
    June 5, 2008

    And now for something completely different:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7435757.stm

    The cuttlefish.

  319. #320 Cloudwork
    June 5, 2008
  320. #321 Kseniya
    June 5, 2008

    He is truly THE Kenny of South Park. Now this has to be proof of something…

  321. …messianic?
  322. It’s evidence that Kenny is made of construction paper.

  323. #322 Cloudwork
    June 5, 2008

    “SfK” Spirituality for KIDS

    “to encourage children to recognise their own goodness, see the light and have more spiritual powers.”

    What are Spiritual powers!

    (I know, its way off subject, but i cant be arsed making myself a blog about this kind of stuff, so, i put comments on other peoples blogs about crazy things that i find annoying or interesting. Its my thing -pronounced fing- Sorry)

  324. #323 Iain Walker
    June 5, 2008

    dinkum (#310):

    if it helps, I vote for Genuine Misunderstanding and Ignorant Troll

    Yeah, normally I’d treat ignorance and incompetence as the default explanation. But if I wanted to write a parody of a scientific ignoramus, then “Quantum Physics were laughed at by scientists in the 1970′s” is the sort of thing I’d include as a giveaway for those paying attention. Although it might not occur to me to treat “physics” as a plural noun – now that’s just inspired.

    I don’t know. There’s just something about Kenny/NobodyKilledKenny that reminds me of John Sladek’s fiendishly funny parodies of pseudo-science (e.g., “Space Shoes of the Gods”).

  325. #324 Andreas Johansson
    June 5, 2008

    How can anyone, faced with the formating of the Kenny’s posts, doubt that a permaban is well truly deserved?

  326. #325 clinteas
    June 5, 2008

    Permaban,sounds geological….

  327. #326 Notkieran
    June 5, 2008

    Re Clinteas @#324:

    Well, it DOES involve burial in all levels of the Twilight…

  328. #327 clinteas
    June 5, 2008

    And as was pointed out above Notkieran:
    They breed !!!

    Run for the hills !!
    Or get a copy of Resident Evil 1-4 LOL

  329. #328 jeffox
    June 5, 2008

    >Jeffox: “Then they can make a movie about it and call it THE LONGEST TARD :) :) :)”

    See what I mean?< @Leigh Williams #266:

    Thanks for the compliment! I do try to be funny. Sometimes I’m actually successful. :)

  330. #329 Michelle
    June 5, 2008

    @Andreas Johansson: It’s not my problem if you ask me. My problem is that they are a waste of time *cuz they are easy to bypass*. If the bannee knows basics of the internet and he wants to be ultra annoying he’ll be back in 10 seconds. Like you know… PROXIES.

  331. #330 clinteas
    June 5, 2008

    Michelle,
    good point,and clearly the K has heard of that !
    Now,i totally go with Sastra on this one now,just ignore the blathering fool,especially since I realized today that John Wilkins has moved to moderating all his comments on his blog just because of one single retarded poster…

  332. #331 matt
    June 5, 2008

    Hey, I saw someone wayyyy up there mention NDEs. My stepdad is writing a book/doing research on Near death experiences. One of the things he and some other dudes found? the light at the end of the tunnel is an American/maybe western phenomenon. Asian cultures see likes prisms and pagodas and stuff. Maybe god is showing them that their heathen heaven is a shiny pagoda or rectangle? I dunno.

  333. #332 sjburnt
    June 5, 2008

    Kseniya @ 320, thanks a lot – there is now coffee all over my screen.

  334. #333 Barklikeadog
    June 5, 2008

    PZ…this thread is dead along with K-boy. If everyone would ignore him like they used to do when bannishing people from villages, then he truly would be dead on the internets. Let him argue with a post.

  335. #334 wÒÓ†
    June 5, 2008
  336. #335 Longtime Lurker
    June 5, 2008

    Now that Kenny is banned, maybe he will leave his parents’ basement and have a Near Life Experience.

    It DID get sorta old shooting slow fish in a small barrel.

  337. #336 Cardinal S
    June 5, 2008

    I like your style wOOt. What do you think of this?

    (.)(.)

  338. #337 themadlolscientist
    June 5, 2008

    SFK article begins: “The room is dark.”

    You are likely to be eaten by a grue…

    “Giant oversized pencils…crayons that are 3ft long…”

    Uhhhhhhhhh……yeah. Do we want our children’s impressionable young minds to be corrupted by such obvious Freudian imagery? It’s the machinations of Satan, I tell you! We are engaged in a Holy War against the Forces of Darkness! Pray, brethren and sistern, that this evil will not prevail! :-)

    @ Michelle #328: Awwwww, c’mon, don’t give the game away. The kid might get ideas!

    BTW, am I the only one here who has a mental picture of Kenny as a 16-year-old impossibly zitfaced, pathologically socially-impaired kid?

  339. #338 Longtime Lurker
    June 5, 2008

    “No cake! Death!”

    MAJeff, the cake is a lie!

    Somebody had to say it…

  340. #339 Epikt
    June 5, 2008

    Kenny, resurrected:

    You believe this life is the end. Well, it isn’t. It’s only the begining. :) :) :) :) :)

    You remind me of the Gospel according to Saint Firesign: “There’s a seeker born every minute.”

  341. #340 Alan Kellogg
    June 5, 2008

    Why are people sent back from Heaven?

    They’re not legal size.

  342. #341 MarkW
    June 5, 2008

    I just noticed something: Kenny (and/or pseudo-Kenny) is accusing his opponents of projection.

    What’s the bets he’s seen others (Largely Ichthyic IIR) accusing him of projection, doesn’t know what it means, and is now turning the accusation back?

    The irony is strong in this one.

  343. #342 astroande
    June 5, 2008

    Re: Barklikeadog #332: “Let him argue with a post.”

    Arguing with Kenny is like arguing with a post.

  344. #343 Barklikeadog
    June 5, 2008

    to:#336 themadlolscientist “BTW, am I the only one here who has a mental picture of Kenny as a 16-year-old impossibly zitfaced, pathologically socially-impaired kid?”

    The thought occured to me too. He probably is a high school student with too much time on his hands but gets by in school with pretty fair grades. Might even be a Boy Scout. My son is one, although (dog help him), he’s picking up my sarcasm and inability to tolerate morons.

    K-boy is just a pimple waiting to be squeezed. No life experience even if he isn’t 16. No real understanding of the arguments he makes either. Really rather pitiful. A parttime job busting his ass in the heat of summer will take some of the edge off. Momma’s boy who needs a girlfriend and a joint or both.

  345. #344 MAJeff, OM
    June 5, 2008

    MAJeff, the cake is a lie!

    Maybe. I just finished baking some bread, so it’s a good day anyway.

  346. #345 Barklikeadog
    June 5, 2008

    MAJeff, I love fresh bread. Can I have some?

  347. #346 Longtime Lurker
    June 5, 2008

    Jeff, I have tried baking bread several times, but I killed more yeast than Monistat.

  348. #347 MAJeff, OM
    June 5, 2008

    MAJeff, I love fresh bread. Can I have some?

    Of course. I’m magic, so this loaf will become enough for everyone here…and it’ll transfer itself through the intertubez (Republican magic).

  349. #348 Cadinal S
    June 5, 2008

    #336 #342
    I can see where you would get that but disagree. I think his tenacity and ability to craft a decent sentence as well as his complete refusal to look at any new explanations or evidence point to a slightly different station in life.

    I think he is in a position of moderate responsibility and authority. He is the manager of a smallish business with fairly mundane tasks and relatively simpleminded people below him. I am thinking manager of a kinkos. He is generally looked up to but not by the brightest bunch so he has an elevated opinion of himself.

    If anyone here actually is am employee of a kinkos, you are the exception and I sincerely apologize.

  350. #349 cicely
    June 5, 2008

    @209:

    people who talk about their out of body experiences or knowing god are no different than those that describe in perfect detail the story about aliens travelling from another galaxy to personally sodimize them.

    Posted by: qedpro

    Or, in earlier times, succubi and incubi. Or devils. Elves. Etc.

    The symptoms are the same; only the interpretation has changed, to keep up with Modern Times.

  351. #350 Spook
    June 5, 2008

    Good riddance.

    Of course now this can be used of another example of the elites of the Evil Liberal Atheist Conspiriacy constantly suppressing Christians. Oh no! Everybody was so *mean* to point out the flaws in his arguments! And to *only* give him 200+ chances to make his case!

    We’re so *vicious* I tell you!

  352. #351 Barklikeadog
    June 5, 2008

    MAJeff, No, no, no, won’t eat if it’s Republican Bread even if transmitted trough the magicks. Although I sleep with a Republican I try not to engage too much. Afterall I’m a minority where I live and I have to draw the line somewhere. So be it bread.

    Oh what the hell. Give me some. Do you have real butter?

    #347 Cadinal S; your probably right but it still doesn’t take him too far past highschool does it? Do you even need a BA/BS to run a Kinkos?

  353. #352 Matt Penfold
    June 5, 2008

    “And to *only* give him 200+ chances to make his case!”

    He had a case ?

  354. #353 Blake Stacey
    June 5, 2008

    Marcus Ranum (#301):

    One time, I recall distinctly that I confabulated that Amy Lee of Evanescence had joined Rammstein and I went to the concert and it was great.

    You, my friend, are sadly mistaken. The lead vocalist in Heaven is actually Amanda Palmer of the Dresden Dolls. Heretic! Infidel! No more nitrous communion for you!

  355. #354 MAJeff, OM
    June 5, 2008

    Do you have real butter?

    of course!!! I’m no heathen.

  356. #355 Janine ID
    June 5, 2008

    Now that Kenny is banned, maybe he will leave his parents’ basement and have a Near Life Experience.

    Posted by: Longtime Lurker

    That is a great album by one of my favorite bands, Come.

  357. #356 Celtic_Evolution
    June 5, 2008

    I worked at a Kinko’s while at Cornell many years ago… had to quit because my idiot manager Kenny kept…

    Hey WAIT just a second!….

  358. #357 cicely
    June 5, 2008

    Un-dead Kenny,

    So, now you say that the instances of what you had been calling NDEs, are actually instances of people being raised from the dead? Even the non-Christians? Even the non-Christians who claim to have seen specific other gods, by name? Millions of such instances?

    And, in case you missed it on the other thread; on the subject of your “too much proof to post”….again, serve it up in bite-sized portions so we can look it over and either agree that you’ve got actual evidence, or refute it. Put up or shut up.

  359. #358 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    June 5, 2008

    Maybe. I just finished baking some bread, so it’s a good day anyway.

    Damn Bakers. I can run a line at a 4 star restaurant while manning the sautÚ station and expediting in a pinch, but I can’t bake a loaf of bread worth a shit. Damn exact repeatable measurements….

    /shakes fist at the cosmic muffin

    /jealousy off

  360. #359 David Marjanovi?, OM
    June 5, 2008

    OK, Kenny. Thou art verily risen.

    Now please read comments 237, 289, 291, 301, 304, 305, 306, 308, 312, 316, and 330 in their entirety. Follow the link in comment 237 and read that page in its entirety, too.

    Then, for the umpteenth time, wise up to the fact that there are Muslim and Hindu NDEs, at least one of the latter (which Owlmirror linked to right from this blog, in a thread you had derailed) complete with Yamraj, the god of death. — Why do you keep ignoring all these facts? Are you afraid of something? (Is this a rhetorical question?)

    And then ascend bodily to heaven already.

  361. #360 Brownian, OM
    June 5, 2008

    Momma’s boy who needs a girlfriend and a joint or both.

    Who doesn’t?

    (I think I’ve got my hackles up at Alex ’cause he’s trying to edge in on my title of ‘Resident Desperate Horndog.’)

  362. #361 Barklikeadog
    June 5, 2008

    Cicely #356, DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS.

  363. #362 cicely
    June 5, 2008

    Un-dead Kenny @281:

    Well bashing religion isn’t exactly a good idea is it?
    If you would stop then I wouldn’t even bother posting here.

    I thought said you only came here for the science?

    I think…..maybe you only come here to bash atheists.

    At least be honest about your motives.

  364. #363 David Marjanovi?, OM
    June 5, 2008

    So, now you say that the instances of what you had been calling NDEs, are actually instances of people being raised from the dead?

    He has been saying this from the very start. I think he even did when he still was a larvaPlanetKiller. His definition of “death” is a bit strange; he seems to believe that as soon as you stop thinking you’re dead.

  365. #364 Janine ID
    June 5, 2008

    His definition of “death” is a bit strange; he seems to believe that as soon as you stop thinking you’re dead.

    Posted by: David Marjanovi?, OM

    Kenny has stopped thinking yet he lives.

  366. #365 Longtime Lurker
    June 5, 2008

    Well, regarding Kenny:

    “That is not dead which can eternal lie,
    And with strange aeons even death may die.”

    Kenny, check yourself in the mirror… are you starting to get the Innsmouth Look?

    Thanks for the “Come” Janine, always nice to expand one’s musical horizons. Are you familiar with the X-Ray Spex?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEjkPRp60bU

  367. #366 AJ Hawks
    June 5, 2008

    Wow, at comment 364, I doubt this will get read by much of anyone…

    But I have to say, for a highly regarded PhD and expert in your field…. it seems quite childish to have (and publicize) a “people I do not like” list and why you don’t like them.

  368. #367 MAJeff, OM
    June 5, 2008

    it seems quite childish to have (and publicize) a “people I do not like” list and why you don’t like them.

    *whoosh*

  369. #368 Patricia C.
    June 5, 2008

    Holy shite! It really was Kenny? Darn what a depressing start to my day. There goes the fiver I bet.
    PZ needs a better speargun. :)

  370. #369 Celtic_Evolution
    June 5, 2008

    @ AJ

    Huh… must’ve missed where PZ’s “plonk list” was described as a list of people he doesn’t like and why. I guess I made the mistake of actually reading what it is and why it’s there, instead of re-interpreting it into something else just for the sake of making a snarky comment.

    And two other points… having a PhD doesn’t disqualify you from the right to point out idiots where you see them, and frankly, if this were a simple list of people PZ did not like, I think it’d be MUCH longer… no?

  371. #370 Matt Penfold
    June 5, 2008

    I have to admit the first few times I saw posts from Kenny I thought it was a regular messing around.

  372. #371 cicely
    June 5, 2008

    The links up in 289 don’t work. Try:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pam_reynolds for the Pam Reynolds case.

  373. #372 Moggie
    June 5, 2008

    Is God so incompetent that he lets people into the afterlife when they’re only nearly dead?

  374. #373 garyb50
    June 5, 2008

    Does the Dungeon really exist?

  375. #374 Janine ID
    June 5, 2008

    Thanks for the “Come” Janine, always nice to expand one’s musical horizons. Are you familiar with the X-Ray Spex?

    Posted by: Longtime Lurker

    My, it seems I would have to relive my germ free adolescence. Sadly, Poly Styrene joined the Hare Krishnas.

    Please forgive, I am very much the music geek.

    Also, Thalia Zedek, co-leader of Come has a great new CD out called Liars And Prayers.

  376. #375 Longtime Lurker
    June 5, 2008

    Yeah, too bad about Poly joining the Hare Krishnas, I always considered her to be the proto-RiotGrrl.

    My adolescence was far from germfree.

  377. #376 Terry Small
    June 5, 2008

    I can’t believe everyone missed #27. Brilliant!

  378. #377 astroande
    June 5, 2008

    @ #376: Ha! I totally didn’t even get that the first time I read it. Excellent.

  379. #378 themadlolscientist
    June 5, 2008

    I have tried baking bread several times, but I killed more yeast than Monistat.

    =ZOMGZ HAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA= Longtime Lurker is killz me ded wif teh ROFLz & win dis thred!

    cosmic muffin

    Deteriorata! Deteriorata!

    That is not dead which can eternal lie

    Does that include living an eternal lie?

    Yeah, I know, I’m a Baptist. But I’m also an existentialist agnostic heretic, and I’ve been around the block enough times to know that [1] Dead or alive, calling Kenny an idiot is an insult to the “mentally challenged” everywhere and [2] a little well-placed blasphemy every once in a while is good for the soul. =grin=

    @ MAJeff – Got any of that bread left?

  380. #379 Patricia C.
    June 5, 2008

    So is he gone now? I’m very computer ignorant, so I don’t know how banning someone works. I didn’t think he could come back.
    BTW MAJeff, my pullets laid some nice fresh eggs to go with that bread and butter.

  381. #380 Sven DiMilo
    June 5, 2008

    as if we needed another reason the fool was banned, add morphing to the list.

    Ich, you need to keep up.

  382. #381 Matt Penfold
    June 5, 2008

    Pat C,

    There are a number of way as I understand it. There using the IP address of the computer the person is using, but that has problems as computers on the same network can appear to the internet to have the same IP address. Banning one person by using an IP address can result in a whole organisation finding themselves banned. There is also banning the username, and email address, but this is open to the obvious abuse of the banned person simply using aliases. There are also ways of spoofing where a computer is located according to the IP address, and they are not that hard to use.

    In short, if someone really wants to get around a ban, they can.

  383. #382 Rev. BigDumbChimp
    June 5, 2008

    In short, if someone really wants to get around a ban, they can.

    Easily

  384. #383 Kseniya
    June 5, 2008

    Kenny is not 16. He’s close to 40, and has a wife whose survival is apparently owed to the advancement of medical science. Kids? I dunno. He has a second-shift job of some kind.

  385. #384 Sven DiMilo
    June 5, 2008

    Note that the initial posts above from K under the NobodyKilledK nym were posted at times when K has always (to my knowledge) been at work. Suggests to me that he has weaseled around the ban by posting from a work-related IP.
    Why oh why do I care?
    p.s. Matt Penfold–it’s possible that certain posts of the past signed “Kenny” were, in fact, “a regular messing around.” But not most of ‘em–he really is that stoopid. Was.

  386. #385 Kseniya
    June 5, 2008

    Blake, did you see Amanda at the FNX show at the Pavillion about a month ago? With Passion Pit, Eli “Paperboy” Reed, Bob Mould, the Presidents of the United States of America, and Death Cab?

  387. #386 Patricia C.
    June 5, 2008

    Egad, that shows what I know. Never would have thought of doing any of those things. Thanks for the explaination.

  388. #387 MAJeff, OM
    June 5, 2008

    Kids? I dunno. He has a second-shift job of some kind.

    Nope. There may still be time for a snipping.

  389. #388 PZ Myers
    June 5, 2008

    Yes, that was the real Kenny cruising back for more abuse.

    The Dungeon is not a list of people I don’t like, although it is true that I find most of them fairly detestable. You do not get banned here for being wrong, or stupid, or least of all, for disagreeing with me. You do get banned when you ignore the discussion and start saying the same thing over and over again to provoke the same old arguments again. I would have let Kenny sail through if he’d actually ever tried to grapple with any arguments, but he was here only to proselytize ineptly and complain…and yeah, I actually skimmed through all of his comments (I have the tools and the power to do that…I’m kind of like Santa Claus in my omniscience), and he was clearly a clown in a rut.

  390. #389 Carlie
    June 5, 2008

    I have a friend who swears by this no knead bread recipe from the NY Times.

  391. #390 JimCH
    June 5, 2008

    If only the people in here were half as intelligent as they claimed.

    Is it possible that he thinks we are inside his computer? Wow, this guy really is low hanging fruit. The guy is obviously mentally handicapped.

  392. #391 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    Ich, you need to keep up.

    I did.

    read your post again.

    there’s an IF in there if you recall.

    I just finally got around to actually trying to track down PK’s original posts to see if there was an NDE one on point.

  393. #392 Patricia C.
    June 5, 2008

    Well damn, that makes it official. There went my fiver and my beer date.
    I must be really backward, because I thought we had the K one move from checkmate. Do all the trolls just keep spinning the same promises or do they get mad & leave? I was interested in seeing his last move. Has PZ ever had a wiccan or pagan troll?

  394. #393 Sven DiMilo
    June 5, 2008

    there’s an IF in there if you recall

    Merely the reflexive scientific weaseling :)

  395. #394 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    Do all the trolls just keep spinning the same promises or do they get mad & leave?

    Leave?

    *jogs memory*

    *jogs memory again*

    nope, don’t recall that ever happening.

    There went my fiver and my beer date.

    there’s always next week.

  396. #395 Kenny
    June 5, 2008

    Well, I won’t be posting much this weekend. Friends are in town to get married.

    Just because I say “in here” meaning on this blog that I am low hanging fruit. Well, I guess if that is the best you can do there is really no helping you at this point. Sorry, that is so third grade. Then again I don’t expect 18 year old kids to be mature.

  397. #396 Kenny
    June 5, 2008

    Well, I won’t be posting much this weekend. Friends are in town to get married.

    Just because I say “in here” meaning on this blog that I am low hanging fruit. Well, I guess if that is the best you can do there is really no helping you at this point. Sorry, that is so third grade. Then again I don’t expect 18 year old kids to be mature.

  398. #397 Sven DiMilo
    June 5, 2008

    *yawn*

  399. #398 Kenny
    June 5, 2008

    One last message before heading off.

    I am not trying to troll. I just don’t like the intolerance that goes on here and I don’t like the mindset that everyone who is religious or loves God doesn’t love science as well.

    I don’t like how people are treated on this blog and the lack of knowledge about religion or why people believe in what they do. It’s not about fairies or something that is beyond belief.

    I don’t like how a person with a doctorate can get away acting like he does to people. I personally would never take Myer’s classes and I don’t respect him as a scientist nor a person.

    I do like to listen why people feel the way they feel and I don’t mind hearing about how they got to feel the way they do. I do mind when someone goes on a bash fest and I don’t feel like taking crap when I try to layout how I feel about things.

    It is one thing to critise religion it is another to just bash it endlessly with a closed mind and bash people and say that they are stupid over and over and over again.

    So many people get upset when I post and I don’t come back and answer their questions all the time. They have to understand that I have a life and I can’t always be on this computer all day long. I have too many people asking me things and I can’t possibly respond to everything and still have a life and a job as well. If you had even 50 people asking things of you for this and that on a forum, and you had a job and a wife and things are happening and you are working towards your own business it can get complicated.

    The answers are researched and are complicated and take time to type out. It is a hard process. I will not be typing much as I will be on the laptop this weekend.

    You all have a good day.

  400. #399 Kenny
    June 5, 2008

    One last message before heading off.

    I am not trying to troll. I just don’t like the intolerance that goes on here and I don’t like the mindset that everyone who is religious or loves God doesn’t love science as well.

    I don’t like how people are treated on this blog and the lack of knowledge about religion or why people believe in what they do. It’s not about fairies or something that is beyond belief.

    I don’t like how a person with a doctorate can get away acting like he does to people. I personally would never take Myer’s classes and I don’t respect him as a scientist nor a person.

    I do like to listen why people feel the way they feel and I don’t mind hearing about how they got to feel the way they do. I do mind when someone goes on a bash fest and I don’t feel like taking crap when I try to layout how I feel about things.

    It is one thing to critise religion it is another to just bash it endlessly with a closed mind and bash people and say that they are stupid over and over and over again.

    So many people get upset when I post and I don’t come back and answer their questions all the time. They have to understand that I have a life and I can’t always be on this computer all day long. I have too many people asking me things and I can’t possibly respond to everything and still have a life and a job as well. If you had even 50 people asking things of you for this and that on a forum, and you had a job and a wife and things are happening and you are working towards your own business it can get complicated.

    The answers are researched and are complicated and take time to type out. It is a hard process. I will not be typing much as I will be on the laptop this weekend.

    You all have a good day.

  401. #400 Sven DiMilo
    June 5, 2008

    *yawn*
    *yawn*

  402. #401 Rey Fox
    June 5, 2008

    “I don’t respect him as a scientist nor a person.”

    Watch out PZ, Kenny’s gonna KILL you!

  403. #402 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    PZ needs to get some better locks for the dungeon.

    seriously.

  404. #403 JimCH
    June 5, 2008

    Maybe he has some sort of typing impediment to compliment his thinking impediment.

  405. #404 Ryan F Stello
    June 5, 2008

    It’s not about fairies or something that is beyond belief.

    Well, now that Kenny’s admitted that religion is limited to belief and nothing more, I hope he takes that understanding to heart….and takes a long walk in the moonlight.

    BTW: Why is he still posting?

  406. #405 Gustav Nystr÷m
    June 5, 2008

    #388

    “I have the tools and the power to do that…I’m kind of like Santa Claus in my omniscience”. – PZ Myers (Dungeon Master)

    If I weren’t properly impressed by Your awsome squid-powers before, I certainly am now!

  407. #406 Patricia C.
    June 5, 2008

    Ah, there. Perfect – it’s 4:00 pm Oregon time ladies & gents – break out the limes, pineapples and sangria. Time to get swoggled. ;)

  408. #407 Ragutis
    June 5, 2008

    Kenny, how the hell can you love science when you obviously have no clue what it is and desperately resist any attempt made to enlighten you?

    And quit the “I don’t have time, I have a life.” crap. If you quit repeating your inane assertions and unfounded criticisms of PZ, the other posters, and atheists in general, you’d have plenty of time to address questions posed to you and investigate the information presented to you. Instead you prefer to sit and snark rather than expose your beliefs to even the possibility of challenge or reassessment. Apparently your faith is of the chickenshit or paper tiger variety.

    He’s bound to run out of IPs and proxies sooner or later, right?

  409. #408 The Rev
    June 5, 2008

    Quote #26 “I have no idea why this ban was necessary. But it is up to Professor Myers.

    I only hope that I myself will not suffer the same fate (as Barklikeadog seems to suggest above at #8). Despite some abuse from a small minority of members, I have mostly been able to engage in constructive dialogue with the participants here, and I do feel that I’ve learnt quite a lot from the experience.”

    Posted by: Walton | June 4, 2008 5:31 PM

    Walton? As in, Frank Walton (aka Wank Falton)? If so, we totally don’t miss ya over in the RA, Wank.

  410. #409 Patricia C.
    June 5, 2008

    #394 – Ichthyic – When you’re right, you’re just right all over. The Brenda is back on the other thread… this is amazing. *smirk*

  411. #410 Walton
    June 5, 2008

    Response to The Rev at #408:

    Erm, who’s Frank Walton? I can assure you that I’m not him, and I’ve never heard of him. Nor do I know what the “RA” is. My handle bears no relation to my real name. It’s actually chosen for the name of my high school; I’ve been using it on the internet for some years. I am User:Walton One on English Wikipedia and on several other Wikimedia Foundation sites.

    Just a coincidence, evidently.

  412. #411 Sven DiMilo
    June 5, 2008

    Please, regale us all with more information about you!

  413. #412 Sili
    June 5, 2008

    So Kenny was Planet Killer? I think I hypothesised that much not long after he surfaced (much like pond scum – or corpses that haven’t been weighed down adequately).

    Too bad I can’t find the comment now – not that we had a pool going – unfortunately.

    Anyone have any idea how to search for the text in one’s own comments?

  414. #413 David Marjanovi?, OM
    June 5, 2008

    It’s not about [...] something that is beyond belief.

    Oh, indeed not. It is belief. It is beyond reason.

    It is unreasonable.

    And why do you get angry when creationists are made fun of?

  415. #414 David Marjanovi?, OM
    June 5, 2008

    BTW, Kenny, in case you ever decide to learn, please take into account that the numbers in my comment 359 are all too low by 1. A comment that had been held up in moderation has now been posted and inserted into the series as if it had gone through immediately.

  416. #415 David Marjanovi?, OM
    June 5, 2008

    The inserted comment is the highly informative number 124, which was obviously held up because it contains so many links (like spam does).

    Vader kills Kenobi, and Luke Skywalker, seeing this, goes into a frenzy whereby he and his comrades are able to escape the Death Star, a small-moon-sized space station with the capability to destroy worlds.

    Also, Obi-Wan gains the capability to communicate with Luke from the Beyond, anywhere, anytime, and uses it to give all manner of advice that helps bring down the Empire, Darth Vader included.

  417. #416 Ichthyic
    June 5, 2008

    Anyone have any idea how to search for the text in one’s own comments?

    yes.

    first use the search box up top.

    enter: Posted by: [yourname]

    this will pull up all the threads in which you have posted.

    pick a thread where you think the comment you are looking for is located.

    then, if using firefox, say, go to the menu bar, and select “Edit”, then “Find on this Page”. enter the text you are looking for, and then use the “next” and “previous” buttons to navigate.

    works great.

  418. #417 Kseniya
    June 5, 2008

    “Then again I don’t expect 18 year old kids to be mature.”

    Egads! Kenny just insulted Walton!

    I think I’d better compose a letter of complaint.

    “Dear Sir/Madame…

  419. #418 MAJeff, OM
    June 5, 2008

    I don’t like how a person with a doctorate can get away acting like he does to people. I personally would never take Myer’s classes and I don’t respect him as a scientist nor a person.

    And this matters, why?

    You’ve demonstrated you know and understand very, very little. why should someone who has no idea what the fuck they’re talking about be taken seriously?

  420. #419 Kel
    June 5, 2008

    Again it’s just a case of acting indignant in order to gain the moral ascendency and invalidate the opinions of others. It’s petty behaviour, but so effective as the statement draws focus away from his inane ramblings and towards a code of moral behaviour for another, nevermind Kenny hasn’t been keeping to that same moral standard himself. It’s just barbs he’s trying to catch people on to compensate for his own inability to even reason beyond the level of a young child.

    Kenny, if you can’t bring evidence to back up your assertions you fail at debating. If you whine and complain about your treatment, then you are using petty means to get your argument noticed. People show respect when respect is earned and the reason people here treat you poorly is because you make post after post claiming your opinion is right while offering no backing, despite being on a science board where evidence is key. People don’t respect you at all because you haven’t showed a single point in your time here where you’ve even considered anothers point of view or even tried to reconcile the evidence presented. Arguing that you don’t respect people is like Ben Stein arguing that believers aren’t respected in the scientific community.

    It’s all about works. Not faith, but works. You earn respect, you earn trust and you earn the ability for people to take your view seriously. And on a board for science, it’s all about evidence, just as science is. So if you don’t use evidence, people won’t respect you. If you shut your eyes and block your ears then people will laugh at you
    http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii119/DonExodus/motivator1439575.jpg

  421. #420 Ichthyic
    June 6, 2008

    I think I’d better compose a letter of complaint.

    “Dear Sir/Madame…

    I gotta funny feeling that’s gonna be a running gag around here for at least the next week.

    :p

  422. #421 Sili
    June 6, 2008

    Thank you Ichthyic (got it right this time, I hope …), but that’s what I’ve been doing, and I don’t seem to be able to recall what words I’ve used where and when, so so far I’ve come up empty trying to find my Kenny=PK speculation.

    I’ve tried usimg CoComment but that refuses to work with Opera (and I refuse to go back to Firefox), so I’m wholly reliant on my feeble and failing memory.

  423. #422 Iain Walker
    June 6, 2008

    Kenny (#398):

    I don’t like the mindset that everyone who is religious or loves God doesn’t love science as well.

    For someone who claims to love science, you seem to have a remarkable lack of understanding of the method, history or language of science, nor do you seem capable of understanding what particular scientific theories actually say.

    You’re like a stalker who knows next to nothing about the object of their obsession, yet is unable to see that their infatuation is with a figment of their imagination, rather than the real person.

  424. #423 MAJeff, OM
    June 6, 2008

    You’re like a stalker who knows next to nothing about the object of their obsession, yet is unable to see that their infatuation is with a figment of their imagination, rather than the real person.

    Like Tom Cruise?

  425. #424 MAJeff, OM
    June 6, 2008

    So, Kenny, if you were at my house, and I told you to leave, would I need to call the police to get you to do so? It seems by your example here that you’re so self-centered that I would need to do exactly that. Are you always such an asshole?

  426. #425 Scrofulum
    June 6, 2008

    I was feeling left out, as the rest of the interweb seems to be posting on here.

  427. #426 Stanton
    June 6, 2008

    I am not trying to troll. I just don’t like the intolerance that goes on here and I don’t like the mindset that everyone who is religious or loves God doesn’t love science as well.

    You are a hypocrite: all of your posts here have been, at best, inane and shallow criticisms, and at worst, been petulant, froth-splattered rantings. You have never shown even the most shallow interest in any of the science postings Professor Myers has made, despite your alleged interest in science.

    I don’t like how people are treated on this blog and the lack of knowledge about religion or why people believe in what they do. It’s not about fairies or something that is beyond belief.

    If you didn’t like the way you were treated here, you should have tried to have been civil, rather than a hyper-critical, petulant troll.

    Oh, and proselytizing is not being civil, either.

    I don’t like how a person with a doctorate can get away acting like he does to people. I personally would never take Myer’s classes and I don’t respect him as a scientist nor a person.

    In either your personas as PlanetKiller or Kenny, did you ever stop to think about why Professor Myers holds contempt for those people who use their faith to say and or do inane and destructive things?
    Or, would you prefer that Professor Myers keep his big mouth shut when politicians rant about how atheists and other non-Christians are the greatest dangers to this country and should be stripped of all their natural rights?

    So many people get upset when I post and I don’t come back and answer their questions all the time. They have to understand that I have a life and I can’t always be on this computer all day long. I have too many people asking me things and I can’t possibly respond to everything and still have a life and a job as well. If you had even 50 people asking things of you for this and that on a forum, and you had a job and a wife and things are happening and you are working towards your own business it can get complicated.

    The fact that you (allegedly) have a wife and a job does not excuse you from acting like a pretentious, petulant asshat of a troll. If anything, the fact that you have a wife and a job makes the fact that you spend your free time trolling on the internet even worse.

    The answers are researched and are complicated and take time to type out. It is a hard process. I will not be typing much as I will be on the laptop this weekend.

    You have made numerous claims in order to support your petulant attitude. People, in response, want verification of your claims. If you do not want to respond to these requests for verification, then do not make your petulant boasts in the first place.

  428. #427 thalarctos
    June 6, 2008

    I gotta funny feeling that’s gonna be a running gag around here for at least the next week.

    Well, if you don’t like it, you could always write a letter of complaint…

  429. #428 MikeM
    June 6, 2008

    Kenny, I provided you with a very nice link into the Skeptic’s Dictionary website on the subject of so-called NDEs. They HAVE researched this scientifically, and they HAVE found material answers to the way the mind works for people who have recovered from near-death experiences.

    But I feel like there’s no point in showing you the research, so I just give up. If you want to go to skepdic.com yourself, knock yourself out. If you want to ignore the research, and you don’t respect PZ as a person or a professor, I just can’t see why you post here. It’s not logical or rational. It is, however, creepy.

    Have you actually gone to the skepdic.com website? If the answer is no, then I have a few suggestions for us (Note: I do not believe in supernatural suggestions, so this is all tongue-in-cheek):

    1) Garlic to hang over our screens, to drive you off.

    2) A cross and a bible to show you, to keep away the evil spirits.

    3) Silver bullets. Why silver bullets? Well, I’m an old guy, and I sorta liked The Lone Ranger in a campy sort of way when I was growing up. It just seems like silver bullets may do the trick.

    Kenny, you’re being scammed with this whole NDE thing. Truly, you are. This argument, as near as I can tell, was settled in 1993. Were you even born by 1993? Relevant to ask, because I was born way after 1492, and yet I still believe the earth is globe.

    Now, please don’t answer my post. Please answer in your own head. After reading some of the material I’ve provided, see what you think.

    A spiritual explanation for NDEs is as valid as this:

    https://www.2lolii.com/index.asp

  430. #429 Dahan
    June 6, 2008

    “I don’t like how a person with a doctorate can get away acting like he does to people” -Kenny

    Yeah! I thought when you got a Doctorate, you automatically were made into a nice, understanding, Alan Alda type person who is, furthermore, fine with any kind of woo tossed at them.
    Well, I guess I’m just gonna stick with my Masters then. The complete personality change and loss of rationality were the only reasons I even considered getting a Doctorate.

    Feckin idgeit…

  431. #430 CortxVortx
    June 6, 2008

    Kenny is taking longer to leave than Jesus is taking to return.

  432. #431 Etha Williams
    June 6, 2008

    @#428 MikeM –

    Relevant to ask, because I was born way after 1492, and yet I still believe the earth is globe.

    Sorry, but this is one of my pet peeves…Columbus had no role in settling the issue of a flat vs a spherical earth…in fact, it was settled well before 1492, and there was no controversy amongst scientists and sailors of the 15th century wrt the shape of the earth. The Columbus flat earth myth was created by Washington Irving’s fantastical The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus, popularized during the Romantic-era fascination with the Dark Ages, and unfortunately propagated by K-12 teachers everywhere today.

    More on this here.

  433. #432 Richard Wolford
    June 6, 2008

    “I don’t like how a person with a doctorate can get away acting like he does to people” -Kenny

    Don’t you know, Kenny? We doctors are elitists, we know absolutely everything, that’s why we’re such arrogant pricks. Christ, hope you and I never run into each other as I am a total fucking asshole; most noticeably to fuck nut creotards.

    Oh, wait, I’m sorry, knowing absolutely everything is reserved for religion. Shit, I’m such an asshole.

  434. #433 Ichthyic
    June 6, 2008

    @sili:

    and I refuse to go back to Firefox

    what happened?

  435. #434 Maria
    June 6, 2008

    Wow. Well. I think I covered all sinners, I don’t include sexual preference something sinful, since it has been proven to be something biological. And I appreciate that other people can see my writing flaws. I am a girl. I do like science. I liked this blog because for me as a christian (of sorts) it is amazing to me that the typical athiest has more of an open mind than the typical christian. Of course my observations are small and limited to my sphere of influence and the areas of the world I choose to observe. I don’t look every where, I don’t know everything, and I certainly don’t think it’s my place to tell someone they don’t belong. I was just encouraging Kenny to maybe stop with the rabid foaming at the mouth, the histrionics and such.
    But I’m just sayin’.

  436. #435 Maria
    June 6, 2008

    Addendum:

    I may have used words like queens and queers, but I was addressing Kenny and the belief that he held (the impression he gave me anyway). I personally have no problem with people who are homosexual. Love is love.
    I am sorry if my writing is not clear. Again, I am not all that and I am willing to admit that.

    Please don’t read too much into what I say. I just have my opinion too. If you misunderstand me, that is your problem.

  437. #436 Maria
    June 6, 2008

    God, God, god, gods, Logic, Truth, or Santa Claus. What ever matters to you.

    I am surprised at how eager people seem to be to be … offended. I never meant to offend anyone. My god, your god, you intense belief there is no god, even scientologists. Freedom of Religion, which I interpreted to include the freedom to not have one. The more I read, the more I catch how I offended someone or other. I apologize. Hope you get over it.

  438. #437 Owlmirror
    June 6, 2008

    *facepalm*
    *headdesk*
    *ow*

    Maria? You can stop “apologizing” now.

    I, a random atheist on the Internet, give you permission to relax. You can believe in God. You can believe in apokatastasis. It’s fine. Just… chill.

  439. #438 Kseniya
    June 6, 2008

    Owlmirror, I’m sorry your bruised your forehead.

  440. #439 Sili
    June 7, 2008

    Ichthyic,

    Mousegestures happened (as well as the inbuilt feed aggregator and mail – and superior crash recovery).

    And FF gobbled up all my memory as soon as I had more than four windows and fifty tabs open. Opera fits my way of browsing, FF doesn’t.

    CortxVortx,
    Jesus’s a bit tied up at the moment. Perhaps that goes for Kenny too.

  441. #440 David Marjanovi?, OM
    June 7, 2008

    Fifty tabs?

    How is it even feasible to accumulate 50 tabs?

  442. #441 Kseniya
    June 7, 2008

    Somehow, the phrases “four windows and fifty tabs” and “as soon as” don’t seem to go together… ;-)

  443. #442 MAJeff, OM
    June 7, 2008

    Somehow, the phrases “four windows and fifty tabs” and “as soon as” don’t seem to go together… ;-)

    Unless, perhaps, you manage to lay a book down on your keyboard.

  444. #443 Kseniya
    June 7, 2008

    LoL! Or own a cat who likes to use the computer while you’re on the phone in the kitchen…

  445. #444 MAJeff, OM
    June 7, 2008

    I have a very well-behaved cat. Never been on the table. (And there’s so much stuff on it, I’d know.)

  446. #445 David Marjanovi?, OM
    June 7, 2008

    Somehow, the phrases “four windows and fifty tabs” and “as soon as” don’t seem to go together…

    That’s how I should have worded it, yeah. :-)

  447. #446 Leigh
    June 7, 2008

    Wow. And I thought *I* was a power user. Sili, never mind the RAM upgrade, I’d need a BRAIN upgrade to handle that.

  448. #447 Patricia C.
    June 7, 2008

    Shall we wager on #500?

  449. #448 Sili
    June 7, 2008

    I fail to see the problem …

    I read a lot of comics that update once a day at a said time so I open them all in one go. That’s easily thirty tabs.

    I pull up most posts on the blogs themselves in order to get to the comments. And again I prefer to get most of the updates in one go rather than opening them one at a time.

    And then there’re the outlinks. It’s not always I have the patience/attention span (still don’t have my head in order) when I read a post, so I open the links in the background to read later.

    To make matters worse I’m one of those people who put off to next week what I should do today, so I often have some of those pages left over from the day before.

    Then there’s the constant backdrop of news, mail, social sites (Livejournal and Deviantart mostly) and the radio that I keep in their own window until I log off.

    And so on and so forth.

    Currently I have six windows with 3-10 tabs each open and it doesn’t weigh down Windows the way Firefox did. It may have gotten better after the update, but I prefer Opera (just the order Opera runs through tabs with ctrl-tab is more logical than the way FF does it). Opera works the way my mind does (only better of course) and I rather miss a lot of it’s features when using other programs; I can’t count the number of times I’ve tried to close and minimise windows in other programmes with mousegestures. If there’s a Linux flavour that has that kinda interface I’ll adobt it in a heartbeat (been meaning to switch for a while anyway).

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