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Category: Administrative
Posted on: June 4, 2008 4:44 PM, by PZ Myers
Having reviewed the extensive evidence of obstreperous obtuse obnoxiousness, I have made a decision in the case of Pharyngulistas v. Kenny: summary termination without appeal.
And there was much rejoicing.
Comments
You're safe, Brenda!
Posted by: Holbach | June 4, 2008 4:48 PM
But... but... he was just about to prove the existence of God! I'm sure he was!
Posted by: Nick Gotts | June 4, 2008 4:51 PM
WHAT??? He was too fun. Why???? OOOPS I remember trying to get in on the posse on the Brenda thread.
Posted by: Barklikeadog | June 4, 2008 4:58 PM
Oh my God, he killed Kenny!
Posted by: Shaden Freud | June 4, 2008 4:58 PM
Don't be a fool, he will merely pray and God will un-ban him.
Posted by: Nibien | June 4, 2008 4:58 PM
Gaudeamus Igitur!
A well-deserved plonk; thanks for finally relenting. Pharyngula will be a far more pleasant experience for it.
And Kseniya can stop holding her nose.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | June 4, 2008 5:00 PM
Poor fella. The strain was just more than we could bear.
Posted by: Alex | June 4, 2008 5:01 PM
You're not going to do anything to Walton though? Are you? At least he's polite. That is until someone gets to him and heee callllls someone an Asshat or Slut. He is such a nice guy too. (reference Brenda thread here too)
Posted by: Barklikeadog | June 4, 2008 5:02 PM
I don't even know him and I am rejoicing.
JC
Posted by: JackC | June 4, 2008 5:04 PM
You bastards!
Posted by: chancelikely | June 4, 2008 5:07 PM
But, but... now who will protect Brenda from that slut Alex?
Aww, PZ - I was just on the verge of Kenny showing me god. Dammit, now I'll never be born again.
OK, I forgive you. The debbel made you do it.
Posted by: Patricia C. | June 4, 2008 5:09 PM
I know you are but what am I?
Posted by: Barklikeadog | June 4, 2008 5:09 PM
Patricia, I'm telling.
Posted by: Alex | June 4, 2008 5:16 PM
Be vigilant...he'll be back.
Posted by: Etha Williams | June 4, 2008 5:17 PM
@ 4
You win the internets!
Posted by: Dahan | June 4, 2008 5:18 PM
Aaaawwwww, Kenny was my bitch. I'll kinda miss the little ratweasel. Be alert though for morphing PZ, he pretty much said he was going to come back in another guise if he was banned.
Posted by: Bride of Shrek | June 4, 2008 5:18 PM
Come back short of like JEESUS? COOL can I watch?
Posted by: Barklikeadog | June 4, 2008 5:20 PM
It's gotta be said:
Expelled!
Posted by: Duncan | June 4, 2008 5:23 PM
An unsurprising result. He will not be missed.
Posted by: Eric Saveau | June 4, 2008 5:23 PM
"I know you are but what am I?"
Dang! Second Pee Wee Herman retort in one day. See Unscrewing the Inscrutable.
Posted by: Thumper600 | June 4, 2008 5:23 PM
Oh well, I am sure we will have a new bad example along soon enough.
Probably several.
Posted by: Britomart | June 4, 2008 5:24 PM
Kenny,
You are always welcome on my blog. But I've got to warn you. My commenters are not nice and forgiving like the ones here and I'm not a fuzzy teddy bear like PZ is.
Posted by: Greg Laden | June 4, 2008 5:25 PM
Hey, I had a "Kenny" come trolling a while back. I wonder if it was the same fellow. . . .
Posted by: Blake Stacey | June 4, 2008 5:29 PM
I can think of a few more that need to go, but what you have there is a good start, to be sure.
Posted by: Hipple, Rev. Paul T. | June 4, 2008 5:31 PM
Now if you could just put Kenny G in a universal kill file...
Posted by: Mayhempix | June 4, 2008 5:31 PM
I have no idea why this ban was necessary. But it is up to Professor Myers.
I only hope that I myself will not suffer the same fate (as Barklikeadog seems to suggest above at #8). Despite some abuse from a small minority of members, I have mostly been able to engage in constructive dialogue with the participants here, and I do feel that I've learnt quite a lot from the experience. Which is why I'm here. Ultimately, I'm not trying to convert anyone to anything, or convince the world that my political views are the One Eternal Truth that everyone should agree with; but I'm interested in talking to people whose views are radically opposed to mine, in a setting where people can speak freely. And I hope it's been a beneficial experience for most people concerned.
Posted by: Walton | June 4, 2008 5:31 PM
Oh my, Kenny. They've killed God!
Posted by: Senecasam | June 4, 2008 5:34 PM
I fear that you can kill Kenny all you want and he'll still show up in future
episodesthreads.Remember: "If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine!"
Oh, sorry. Wrong nerdy cultural reference.
Posted by: Zeno | June 4, 2008 5:34 PM
I have mostly been able to engage in constructive dialogue
says who?
And I hope it's been a beneficial experience for most people concerned.
well, it's actually been rather one-sided, since you appear to know so little about the things you expound upon.
I dunno... are you actually learning anything?
You haven't presented any new information, incisive thought, or even much reasoned logic that I've seen, so my conclusion would be that "most" here wouldn't consider the exchanges "beneficial" from their pov.
I really do hope, that as you get older, you abandon rhetoric for real study.
save the rhetoric for AFTER you graduate, and actually know something about what you wish to discuss.
Posted by: Ichthyic | June 4, 2008 5:37 PM
Ohhhh... but I was starting to enjoy Kenny's opinion. And all that evidence for the existence of God that he gathered from near death experience? How could we NOT want to hear that repeated as nauseum, without alteration, over and over again?
Posted by: ChrisC | June 4, 2008 5:38 PM
Aw-oh, I'm in the monkey do-doo now... if I tell Brenda you're a real hottie will you let me off the hook?
Posted by: Patricia C. | June 4, 2008 5:39 PM
Speaking of rulings from the bench, the California State Supreme Court announced that it would not stay its decision in the same-sex marriage case. Gay weddings begin in two weeks and they are not limited to state residents. Same-sex couples from other states (not Massachusetts, obviously) may be coming to the Golden State to get hitched. Nine state attorneys general (all Republicans [big surprise]) petitioned the California court to suspend its decision for fear that they would have to deal with litigation to have the California marriages recognized in their respective states. Crybabies! Didn't they want to be attorney general? The big sissies should just do their jobs! (I name names.)
Posted by: Zeno | June 4, 2008 5:43 PM
Oh but I am a hottie. I'd love to show you. Maybe we can make an "arrangement" - then I'll let you off the hook. (are you a hottie?)
Posted by: Alex | June 4, 2008 5:43 PM
OMG - and does that mean you know Brenda? This could be a very interesting arrangement.
Posted by: Alex | June 4, 2008 5:48 PM
I now this will be done to boredom - or have already? - but I have been waiting to make this joke since the very first Kenny-thread (and let's face it, Kenny had an uncanny way of turning every thread he commented on into his thread) and I just can't help it. So, here it goes:
Oh, my God, he killed Kenny! You bastard!
Ok, now it's out of my system. Please, carry on.
Posted by: Gustav Nyström | June 4, 2008 5:50 PM
Hottie/schmottie, if Kenny's dead where's the body? :)
Posted by: jeffox | June 4, 2008 5:51 PM
What's this? I'm terminated?
Posted by: Ken Cope | June 4, 2008 5:51 PM
Well, that posted OK...(looks again, this time checking for vowels).
Well, that was close. It must be because I'm Ken and not Kenny. I never did like that name.
Posted by: Ken Cope | June 4, 2008 5:53 PM
On hearing this news of Kenny's banishment, I thought of this.
Posted by: Emmet Caulfield | June 4, 2008 5:53 PM
I vote for #9 to win the Internets...I feel the same way, incidentally.
Posted by: Frederik Rosenkjær | June 4, 2008 5:53 PM
Then there's this silliness:
Brenda tenda not comprehenda :)
Posted by: jeffox | June 4, 2008 5:53 PM
And why are you so interested in Kenny's body jeffox? I'm not sure CA passed a law allowing for that kind of "relationship".
Posted by: Alex | June 4, 2008 5:55 PM
On hearing this news of Kenny's banishment, I thought of this.
I thought of this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCUSKWEkvAo
Posted by: Ichthyic | June 4, 2008 5:56 PM
Alex, re your #7, "Poor fella. The strain was just more than we could bear." One of my favourite quotes from that movie, just watched it again the other night. Well, actually pieces of it, lots of fast forwarding.
Ciao y'all - Oh. Kenny, I apologize; I forgot you were there. You may go now.
Posted by: JeffreyD | June 4, 2008 5:58 PM
Laugh, damn you all, laugh!! :) :) :)
Posted by: jeffox | June 4, 2008 5:59 PM
No Kenny?
Know peace!
Posted by: Larry | June 4, 2008 6:02 PM
No Walton , I don't want you banned. I didn't want Kenny banned. He was too much fun IMHO. I just want you to break loose and call someone a nome or something. You're too nice. And you make sense too.
Posted by: Barklikeadog | June 4, 2008 6:03 PM
Actually JeffreyD, I think it's a little different. The actual quote I think is "poor soul, the strain was more than he could bear". But I didn't want to refer to kenny as a soul, and it was our strain I care about, not his.
Thanks for noticing though. It makes me feel like less of a geek to myself.
Posted by: Alex | June 4, 2008 6:03 PM
That's "name" Not nome. But it could be nom. Can't tipe
Posted by: Barklikeadog | June 4, 2008 6:04 PM
Patricia, you slut! Kenny is mine!
Posted by: windy | June 4, 2008 6:07 PM
Quoth Walton:
Liar. I explained it to you, politely (and several others did too, some not-so), the very first time (to my knowledge) you showed up and started concern-trolling about it. Let's see if I can find it... ah, here. A list of Kenny's bannable offenses appeared here.
As for you, Walton, you haven't done anything bannable to my knowledge, but jeez, man, get over yourself!
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | June 4, 2008 6:10 PM
Oh dear! I take it back Alex. You're not a slut, you're a goat in rut...Kenny's body - yuck!
Posted by: Patricia C. | June 4, 2008 6:11 PM
Ichthyic #43. that was just too good. I'm sore from laughing. Good job.
Posted by: Barklikeadog | June 4, 2008 6:12 PM
For God's sake, somebody tell Alex about saltpeter, or masturbation, or real girls. Or maybe the Craig's List personals.
Alex, son, this is NOT the Craig's List personals, in case you haven't noticed.
Posted by: Leigh | June 4, 2008 6:12 PM
KENNY
"RECALLED TO HEAVEN"
JUNE 4, 2008
R.I.P.
Posted by: SiMPel MYnd | June 4, 2008 6:12 PM
jeffox, re your question in #36 "Hottie/schmottie, if Kenny's dead where's the body? :)" Simple, he is risen and in less than three hours. Look for the Shroud of Turing Test coming to a History Channel near you.
Ciao y'all
Posted by: JeffreyD | June 4, 2008 6:13 PM
PZ, you are truly an Elitist Bastard™
Bride of Shreck said;
Yeah, but it'll take him three days...
Posted by: decrepitoldfool | June 4, 2008 6:14 PM
So, Kenny and FTK are now cellmates. :) Soon, they, along with Larry, DaveS, Jason, & a few others will be able to form their own dungeon football team. Then they can make a movie about it and call it THE LONGEST TARD :) :) :)
Posted by: jeffox | June 4, 2008 6:14 PM
Oh no! That's going to make atheists look bad!
Posted by: Milo Johnson | June 4, 2008 6:18 PM
I note that "Kenny" has a separate "plonk" entry from "Planet Killer". I still think it should be possible to post examples of each of their typical arguments to show a suspiciously similar style and interests.
Also, I am pretty sure that "Jason/Jinx" and "dsmvlwd" are the same person.
Note the actual signature conflating these two monikers, here:
http://www.prefixmag.com/news/update-ben-stein-did-not-acquire-the-rights-to-the/18179/
And I think that snide "jsn" (there's another Jsn who occasionally posts who is not the same commenter) is also a Jinx morph. Note that "jason", when "dsmvld", becomes "jsn".
Posted by: Owlmirror | June 4, 2008 6:21 PM
For those of who missed Kenny and his, um, stuff here are some of his soothing words. Pretty profound. Ohhh I'm going to miss him. Kenny, Kenny. Is there really a heaven?
Here's the bottom line folks, and I'm really not telling you anything you don't already know down in your heart anyway (God planted it there, so if you're the 1 in 10 who has the courage to actually "be still and know HE is God") Jesus Christ died for your sins. Pretty simply put - if (IF, ok? so listen up), if there was a holy GOD who would not COMPROMISE with evil (or I guess he would also be evil), but he created MAN who through Adam (yep, good ole Adam), sinned, and was not longer HOLY - then God has a problem. He loves man, and he hates SIN and he won't (can't because he's a holy God) compromise. So what does he do? Simple. He SENDS his SON JESUS CHRIST who died for you and me. If we accept JESUS CHRIST, and his 'put on his righteousness', we will be forgiven and one day, go to heaven.
Now go ahead, mock away, call me an idiot. It's fine. I was once just like you. The bible says spiritual things are "foolishness" to those of the world. So, really I'm not talking to the 9 out of 10 of you. But the 1. Just the 1 who will read this, and consider it - dare I say it? Pray about it. Jesus said "my sheep know my voice". Are you one of his sheep?
I am.
Kenny said this on October 18th, 2007 at 19:34 pm >>>>>>>>>>>
Posted by: Barklikeadog | June 4, 2008 6:22 PM
Patricia, I'm sorry for the hard feelings. But I'm sure I've been called worse by better.
Leigh, please try not to stifle inquisitiveness. The information I was about to obtain I would have made available to everyone. But I would ask you to explain the saltpeter. You lost me there.
Posted by: Alex | June 4, 2008 6:22 PM
So Kenny wasn't PlanetKiller? Despite his obsession of NDEs and his denial of Muslim and Hindu ones?
Wow. That's "good cop, bad cop" as an art form!
Relax. You only live twice.
Real nerds don't watch Star Wars. Star Wars is part of a classical education.
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | June 4, 2008 6:22 PM
I don't believe that man has ever been to law school!
(obscure reference to Toy Story quote, where it was medical school instead of law school)
Posted by: CrypticLife | June 4, 2008 6:22 PM
And I think that snide "jsn" (there's another Jsn who occasionally posts who is not the same commenter) is also a Jinx morph. Note that "jason", when "dsmvld", becomes "jsn".
sounds too obvious, but you're probably right.
Posted by: Ichthyic | June 4, 2008 6:23 PM
*gasp*! Oh my goodness! That's right Windy - I forgot about the hot monkey sex...SORRY! Better tighten my corset, I'm starting to slip.
Posted by: Patricia C. | June 4, 2008 6:24 PM
I missed that one barklikeadog. Wow. My head hurts.
Posted by: Alex | June 4, 2008 6:25 PM
Alex, saltpeter makes yer weenie wangle. It falls over and can't stand up.
Posted by: Barklikeadog | June 4, 2008 6:26 PM
Did I hear coret?
Posted by: Alex | June 4, 2008 6:26 PM
I mean *corset*!?
Posted by: Alex | June 4, 2008 6:27 PM
Owlmirror for Constable
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | June 4, 2008 6:28 PM
I am so sorry I asked. Never again Barklikeadog. You win.
Posted by: Alex | June 4, 2008 6:28 PM
Aw. No more Kenny. Boo hoo.
I have no idea why, but... Well, I see various people are reminded of different things, and I'm reminded of a bumper-sticker I saw just the other day:
"Heck is for people who don't believe in Gosh."
I don't know why it's even appropriate to mention this here.
Posted by: MikeM | June 4, 2008 6:30 PM
Thanks for the link, Etha (comment 14):
He is building evidence? He's making it up and proud of that?
"Stupidity,
stupidity,
stupidity,
stupidity,
..."
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | June 4, 2008 6:31 PM
He'll be back...
As Kenny the White!
Posted by: M | June 4, 2008 6:31 PM
I think that's a twist on:
I don't believe in God, I believe in Gosh. If you don't believe in Gosh, you'll be darned to heck.
Posted by: Alex | June 4, 2008 6:32 PM
<snort>
ROTFL!!!
Posted by: David Marjanović, OM | June 4, 2008 6:35 PM
Gosh darn it, what the heck are you talking about?
Posted by: Barklikeadog | June 4, 2008 6:36 PM
Kenny is gone?! There IS a Shiva!
Kenny would have been so proud of me if he knew I opened my heart and listened, and Shiva spoke, and I heard him.
I must be one of his 1 in 10. I feel so statistically insignificant!
Posted by: Brownian, OM | June 4, 2008 6:41 PM
Precisely.
Posted by: Alex | June 4, 2008 6:42 PM
er...Alex calling a man a goat isn't an insult. A goat is well known to be the naughtiest animal on the farm. FAR too naughty for me. :)
Posted by: Patricia C. | June 4, 2008 6:43 PM
By the way, while on the subject (on some other thread, maybe) of antediluvian pop-culture references, how many know what PZ's title of this post refers to? Without Googling?
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | June 4, 2008 6:44 PM
Well dammit Patricia why didn't you just say that then?! Why all of the confusing livestock references?! I didn't grow up on your farm! I don't know these things! Anyway, I apologize for lashing out.
So. What was that farm you grew up on?
Posted by: Alex | June 4, 2008 6:48 PM
Are you one of his sheep? I am. - Kenny, quoted by Barklikeadog
This "sheep" motif in Christianity has long puzzled me. Sheep are notoriously stupid and cowardly animals; and the shepherd may protect them from wolves, but only because he wants to fleece them repeatedly, and eventually slaughter and eat them! Yet the Christian-in-the-pew seems quite oblivious to the connotations.
Posted by: Nick Gotts | June 4, 2008 6:49 PM
Yeah it was Jimmy on , uh I'll get it, I can hear the song. Movin' on up to the east side.. What the gosh heck was the name of that show?
Posted by: Barklikeadog | June 4, 2008 6:49 PM
Yes, he was repetitious, but I thought Kenny had the 3 advantages of being sincere, (generally) polite, and capable of laying out some of the more common arguments we hear from ordinary, next-door-neighbor type Christians. Any atheist who hasn't encountered -- and learned to understand and counter -- the Argument from Near Death Experiences, for example, is going to get waylaid unexpectedly in real life some day when they don't have their computer, or informed colleagues, handy. The Kennies of the Internet deserve some credit I think for having the guts to enter hostile forums where they're seriously outnumbered, and provide us with practice and examples on different ways to approach the same problem, with more or less finesse.
So, in general, I don't quite get the need for banning in cases like this. Those who wanted to talk to /argue with Kenny did so. Others (like myself) who were tired or uninterested skipped those posts. There are usually several threads running at a time, anyway. It's not like Kenny was being loud and drowning out conversations.
Of course, people were getting more and more abusive and nasty -- Kenny included -- so it probably ceased to be useful and just started forming bad habits.
Posted by: Sastra | June 4, 2008 6:50 PM
"Here come da judge" was a running gag on Rowan and Martin's Laugh In. Worth watching now just to marvel at the young Goldie Hawn.
Posted by: Rosie Redfield | June 4, 2008 6:51 PM
Thanks Sven, for reminding me there would be people who not only wouldn't know, they wouldn't know what Laugh-In was a reference to. Sammy Davis Jr. and Flip Wilson both robed up for that bit. It was fun stuff to watch while waiting for episodes of The Prisoner.
It was forty-one years ago today,
Sgt. Pepper taught the band to play...
Posted by: Ken Cope | June 4, 2008 6:52 PM
"repititious"?
"repititious"?
"repititious"?
"repititious"?
"repititious"?
"repititious"?
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | June 4, 2008 6:52 PM
A Flip Wilson character on the old Flip Wilson Show.
Posted by: afarensis, FCD | June 4, 2008 6:53 PM
i"e"i"e"i"e"i"e"i"e"i"e"Posted by: Sven DiMilo | June 4, 2008 6:56 PM
Sven, Flip Wilson on Laughin. Right?
Posted by: Barklieadog | June 4, 2008 6:56 PM
It's a habit I learned from having kids. I mean, seriously, there are some things I don't want to say around kids. I find myself saying, "Fffffffiddlesticks!" a lot.
Thing is, though, the kids automatic translation devices are starting to mature, and they automatically translate "fiddlesticks" very accurately.
Makes 'em cry.
Dag Nabbit.
Posted by: MikeM | June 4, 2008 6:56 PM
It's not like Kenny was being loud and drowning out conversations.
that's a matter of OPINION
;)
(and yes, actually he was)
Posted by: Ichthyic | June 4, 2008 6:57 PM
Woohoo! I haven't been this excited since I shook Obama's hand at the Xcel center last night!
Actually... No. Obama's got you beat, PZ. Sorry.
Posted by: BoxerShorts | June 4, 2008 6:58 PM
Originally a guy named "Pigmeat" Something-or-other, but yeah, later Flip Wilson.
Gol-ly I loved that show. The catch-phrases, Artie Johnson, Goldie Hawn in a bikini...
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | June 4, 2008 6:58 PM
Sastra, you raise some good points. Perhaps warnings? But then again, he did equate PZ with Nazis.
Posted by: Alex | June 4, 2008 6:59 PM
Re #82. Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In. I thought the humour rather patchy, but I never knowingly missed an episode - I really fancied Judy Carne! (Oh my gosh, I just googled Carne; she's now 69.)
Posted by: Nick Gotts | June 4, 2008 7:00 PM
I love the Google too:
"Pigmeat" Markham was the guy's name. Apparently it was part of his chitlin-circuit comedy act and got ripped off for Laugh-In by Sammy Davis Jr. Markham himself then did the schtick for the second (1968-69) season, and after that Wilson and others.
Yeah, Judy Carne, also in a bikini...
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | June 4, 2008 7:04 PM
Wow, the second I read "Pigmeat," my brain horked up "Pigmeat_Markham," spelling and all. The wiki entry explains where Sammy Davis Jr. fit into the lineage. As for Laugh In? They used to have these things called Love Ins, from Sit Ins, or as Peter Bergman called them, Be Ins.
If only I had any brain cycles available for anything other than useless trivial knowledge.
Posted by: Ken Cope | June 4, 2008 7:05 PM
That wasn't my experience, Sastra. I seem to recall many threads being derailed by the Ken-bot. The near 20-30 comments he added about the same stuff to nearly every thread (including defenses against his inanity by others) tended to bog things down.
I'm all for disagreement, and I think it's important that strong and weak theists contribute here. But when we've got commenters on every thread of length noting that they don't have the time to read 200+ comments, do we need people like Kenny who contribute length and nothing else?
He was a good source of dimwit creationism, but the population of individuals that think such arguments and consider them sufficient and compelling is sitting comfortably on the IUCN's list under 'Least Concern'.
We're in no danger of running out, unfortunately.
Posted by: Brownian, OM | June 4, 2008 7:07 PM
I come to bury Kenny, not to praise him;
The stupidity that men blog lives after them,
Common sense is oft interred with their bones,
So let it be with Kenny ... The noble PZ
Hath told you Kenny was obnoxious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Kenny answered it ...
Posted by: hje | June 4, 2008 7:08 PM
Sastra, you raise some good points
only if one entirely ignores all internet posting behavior, ever.
It's the same old canard:
"If one ignores a troll, they'll go away"
which one, hardly anybody ever does, and two, on the rare occassions someone does, the troll inevitably does not go away.
no, there is a point to reducing the endless noise on any given thread.
there often IS actually useful information on various threads on this blog (which, btw, is one of the reasons I spend time here).
having to wade through the sound and fury of "Kennybots" seriously hampers not only maintaining a thread of conversation, but actually locating useful information to begin with.
Kenny's NDE "arguments" were entirely refuted the very first day he made them.
the endless repetition was nothing but noise.
I couldn't disagree more strongly with Sastra's conclusion.
Posted by: Ichthyic | June 4, 2008 7:11 PM
By the way, my references to various highly skilled comediennes in bikinis should be read only to reflect the fact that during the program's run from 1968-1973 I was ages 9-14.
Posted by: Sven DiMilo | June 4, 2008 7:12 PM
from 1968-1973 I was ages 9-14
Why, ya young whippersnapper. 13-18
Posted by: Ken Cope | June 4, 2008 7:16 PM
...as an addendum, one of the reasons I spend so little time over on Panda's thumb is the absolute refusal of the contributors there to bounce the endless noise, whereupon the threads degenerate inevitably into people poking monkeys with sticks.
actually, it's even worse than that, as the most prolific contributor, Pim, often goes off on multiple post conversations with people who represent little more than complete insanity.
One or two comments is fine, but spending pages and pages trying to